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this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am jom? mash shootings have been described as an epidemic that only happens in the united states. the gun violence archive has already recorded 213 shootings this year. the latest killed 19 children and 2 teachers at an elementary school in the town of, of all day in texas. the worst school shooting and a decade took their lives just a few days before the start of the summer. holidays. police say the 18 year old gunman, st, chilling messages online before the attack and entered the school. despite being confronted by a security guard. grief in the titan of community is turning to anger as americans once again demand tougher, gun control loss. john henry reports from move all day. another school

massacre in america and more flowers to more in the dead. just before an 18 year old texas gunman massacre 21 people at rob elementary school. on tuesday. the governor says, well, he shot his own grandmother. anyone who shoots his grandmother in the face has to have evil in his heart, but it is far more evil for someone to gun down little kids. but the republican governors news conference devolved into political theatre when his democratic rival bed, o'rourke interrupted to denounce decades of inaction in congress and in texas. you know, he talked about that this was evil. the only thing evil is what he continues to do to the people of the state. he says this was unpredictable. it was totally predictable. and i predict this will continue to happen. syria era's mindy, as

a teacher at another grade school. but her niece eliana was a student at rob elementary school. she says it took hours before she learned that elliana was among the dead. i'll we her, whatever we thought on the phone. oh, when it was news or, or facebook or how we found found out a tragedy. we didn't find out about her until late last night. about 1130. that's when they confirmed salvador ramos a high school dropout who for years was bullied in school for speaking with a list bought to a r 15 style assault rifles. shortly after his 18th birthday, police say he carried one of them into the school storming past an armed guard before firing more than 230 times over the course of a harrowing hour before border patrol. agents gunned him down. i just so i just don't know how people could fill that typo a gun to a kid to an 18 year old. like what is he going to use it for

but for that purpose, just what motivated ramos is a question. authorities are trying to answer now. police are still scouring that scene and looking for a motive for one set that gunman off before he apparently shot his grandmother and then came here to rob elementary school. it was the 2nd dead leaves school shooting in american history, but political deadlock on gun control and a long and bloody history suggests it will not be the last john henry l g 0. who vol de, texas. the deadliest school shooting happened 10 years ago when 20 children and 6 adults were shot dead at sandy hook elementary school. in newtown, connecticut, a democratic senator from that state made this impassioned plea for congress to pass stricter gun laws. but i'm here on this fort to beg

to literally get down on my hands and knees and begged my colleagues find a path forward here, work with us to find a way to pass laws that make this less likely. i understand my republican colleagues will not agree to everything that i may support, but there is a common denominator that we can find ah. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in baltimore. dr. joseph sick, run a gun violence survivor and director of emergency general surgery at johns hopkins hospital in doha joscelin, sage mitchell, professor of american and comparative politics at northwestern university and cooper and in keen new hampshire. richard feldman, former regional political director at the national rifle association and author of ricochet confessions of a gun lobbyists warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us on inside story today. dr. second on let me start with you today. the gun violence

archive has already recorded 213 shootings this year. that is shocking. by any measure you yourself are a survivor of gun violence. so i want to ask you what your initial reaction was when you learned about this. this latest horrific school shooting in of all the texas. yeah, well thanks so much for having us on a look. ah, i felt terrible this past week as every american frank we should because once again, we woke up in america with this recurring tragedy that continues to unfold. time and time again. i'm absolutely horrified, i'm angry and i'm frankly heartbroken. i just refused to believe that this is a best that we can do. professor mitchell, you know, the world has seen in the past that in other countries, when there have been mass shootings, lawmakers are able to come together and pass gun control measures. it happen in

scotland, it happened in australia. what is stopping action on this in, in america, especially at a time when americans have been demanding that there lawmakers do something about gun control. why can this not be achieved? thank you for the question and thank you for having me. i agree with our other presenters. this is a horrifying reason to be on this show to again, have to discuss another horrible tragedy as an american. as a mother, as an educator, it's a very, very sad day once again for america. and um, your question about why have we not seen legislative reform, especially with public opinion so strongly pushing for it. if we have a to um, major divisions in the u. s. that are very difficult for us to overcome.

policy change in the national level. right. and 1st of all, i want to be clear, i'm not the only person who thinks that what happened. can you val d or what happens anywhere we see horrific on violence such as the racially motivated attacks just a week or so ago in buffalo and california. right. but i'm not the only person who feels that this is wrong. 70 percent of americans believe that we have a serious problem with gun violence in this country. but we are divided both on political partisan lines and divided based on our gun ownership that and those 2 divisions are making it very hard for us to decide. how do we go forward? mean, keep in mind that in terms of gun ownership in this country, we are very different than every other country in the world. the u. s. has $400000000.00 civilian owned guns in the country and that's more than one gun per

person. right. and yet that huge amount of guns, which is far more than any other country in the world, is held by only 30 percent of americans. so we have about 30 percent of americans who say their gun owners hold or 100000000 civilian owned guns. and both the republican democrats applied and the divide over the gun ownership combined to make it very difficult for us to, to, to agree on policy measures going forward. richard, you wrote a piece in 2019 for politico. this was after there had been shootings in california and texas and ohio in this piece you said, i believe there's a way to achieve meaning, meaningful gun law reforms without alienating millions of responsible gun owners who don't believe the criminals, unsupervised children or mentally ill people should have access to any kind of weapon meaningful gun lar forms. did not happen then. do you think that this is something that can, that can actually happen now and if so,

how could it be achieved? thank you. yes it can happen. but i think part of our problem in this country is that we talk around the issue and we use terms about the policy. but the real argument ends up being about the politics of the debate rather than the policy. because if you ask gun owners or non gun owners, we're all in agreement on who shouldn't have guns. whether it's the negligent misuse largely by children, the intentional criminal misuse or someone with severe psychiatric problems and dangerous psychiatric problems. none of us want those people to have guns. we can agree on that. and then we sort of go into this

a day chavo loop and we start arguing about the politics involving the issue instead of focusing on how did this individual obtain the gun? what could we do to prevent better prevented that individual, that type of person from getting it in this instance? you know, i think maybe we really do need to have a discussion right now. under federal law, you have to be $21.00 to be able to buy a hand gun from a de la, but only 18 for a long gun. it's one of the easier things we could do right now is talk about that change. it would have had an impact in texas and in buffalo because they were both 18 year old shooters, both bought their guns lawfully from deal us. alright i, i want to bring up a reaction to the you've all day shooting from a survivor of another school shooting that happened 4 years ago. david hog co founded the march for our lives movement after 17 of his fellow students and

teachers were killed and parkland florida. he tweeted that he believes things will be different this time because we voted out more in our a back to politicians than ever before. in american history and had the highest youth voter turnout in 20182020 in american history. we have the most pro gun reform president and congress in american history plus the n. r a is the weakest. it's ever been. republican state legislatures, including florida across the country have passed gun reform. we just need them to do it in congress, even if it's small. no single policy will end every shooting, but progress and reduction in gun violence is better than nothing. dr. sucker on david hong is said there that the n r e is the weakest, it's ever been and that he believes things will be different this time. do you agree? do you believe that political ground is now shifting? yes, to look. i think there's a lot so unpackaged here, the 1st thing that i would say is that it is very clear that the n r a is weaker,

but i don't think that we should lose sight of still how powerful they are. i mean, their revenue is to in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and i want to be clear and this goes to richard's point is i don't think the problem are responsible gun owners. the problem is the leadership of the gun lobby does not represent the membership, and we have seen that too numerous piece of data where the majority of gun owners and non done honors like support common sense measures. i think the other piece that we have to really remember is that most governing in america happens at the local and state level. and we have seen hundreds of pieces of common sense come on to push that have passed in states all across the country. the problem is we live in a country that has pores, orders, so we need to see federal action in order to shore up. you know what's happening, not just to the mass shooting, so we see and cities like baltimore, we have young,

brown and black men are being slaughtered on our streets. and it really requires, right, a multifaceted multi sector approach to tackle this problem as complex public health problem. professor mitchell, i saw you just now and nodding along to a lot of what the doctor said. ron was saying that it looked like you wanted to jump in, so please go ahead. no, i agree very strongly with the last 2 statements that were made. there are some points of agreement on the federal level, bipartisan agreement for things such as the people with mental health issues should not be allowed to buy guns and that we should strengthen background checks for the background checks, for example, 70 percent of republicans and 90 percent of democrats believe that we should have background checks and that would make a big difference because states that have robust background checks in place are

shown that they have 60 percent less likelihood of these kinds of mast shootings. so that is the kind of federal level of you know, law that could make a big difference. but although i appreciate the optimism of that sweet and i know where that person is coming from. unfortunately, the structure of our federal government makes it so that even if public opinion is aligned, it's very hard to get those federal laws passed. because as i want to make clear to our audience, the congress has 2 houses in the house of representatives and the senate both have to pass the exact same bills to create that law. now the house of representatives and just pass majority, but the senate has to pass a super majority, which means the 60 out of a 100 votes in order to pass that bill and have it become

a law. and that's just because of the way the structure is set up. and so unfortunately, small conservative rural states are represented by why senators, who can filibuster and prevent that bill for moving forward in the senate, even if the vast majority of americans, even if the majority of republicans agree with these kinds of bills. now i hope that we are able to see some movement on the or level because i agree with are the presenter that we need this kind of across the board for some of these basic measures like background checks. but i also really like the attention paid to think about the state and local level. people who want to be a part of the change here. people who want to put their time and effort into making their communities, their schools, their churches, their streams, say they should look at their local and state level politicians, their voices and their impact can be so much greater at that level. and because we

have the federal system, the states are able be, as per the constitutions to create laws that really matter for the people to the citizens and people living in the states. so that's also another place to put our energy and efforts. richard or you just heard professor mitchell, they're talking about the difficulty of getting any kind of gun control legislation passed in the senate and why that is the case. earlier in the program, we showed some video of us senator chris murphy. he was literally begging his republican colleagues, a chris murphy. of course, he's been a representative from a district where he was a representative from a district that included sandy hook elementary school where that 2012 mass shooting happened in this video. he says he understands that his republican colleagues will not agree to everything he may support, but that there's a common denominator that we can find. um, what did you think when you, when you saw that video, do you think this will change mines are, is their political will power on behalf of republicans in the senate who would be

willing and able to work with senator murphy and other democratic lawmakers to actually pace a pass some form of gun control legislation. in short. no, i don't know. the politics of this issue really determines what's possible on the policy. and until we align the politics with the policy, i don't think we're going to see change it the national level. um, you know, when i suggested changing the federal law to 21, i think that's in the realm of do ability under the current system right now. again, it's certainly not going to solve a lot of the problems. but there are so many things we can do that do affect the day in and day out problems talking about and mass shooting in a sense it because it's newsworthy,

naturally. but that's not where the bulk of the shootings in this country occur. and they're not as newsworthy, but they are far more of them in ones and twos, gang related, shootings, negligent shootings. there are many things we can do about those things. sometimes they're not sexy. so they're not political. and nobody's interested, seemingly in doing those things that are controversial. and if they're controversial, we have a fight. and that's the politics of this issue. dr. sick, ron, and even if the senate were somehow able to come together and pass some form of legislation that might include universal background checks, i'm curious to get your perspective on how long it might actually take for that to make a difference for, for that type of law to, to be implemented, especially in a culture where so many mass shootings continue to happen. yeah. what i think

it's important to remember and we talked a little bit about this and that is a, it's not about implementing or passing one policy or one solution. right. like any complex public health problem, this is going to require a multifaceted approach. and when you think about, for example, the structural racism right, that we see in urban cities. and that has created this vicious feedback loop. we have to also focus on understanding the how poverty it has limited opportunities to lead to increased crime violence incarceration which of course, further, you know, results in poverty and weakens efforts, invest in communities. so in this it's not about passing just one piece of legislation. you're really has to take a broad comprehensive approach and as we heard professor mitchell say,

almost have to be part of the solution. i think something that is, is often missed here is do i think federal action is going to happen tomorrow? probably not. but the reality is our country has changed. if you look back in 2008, we had around 63. democrats. did members of congress to had a waiting with our aid. that number in 2018. it was somewhere around 3 and probably now it's close to 0. the point is is that our country has shifted, or we senior fast enough know because people continue to be slaughtered our streets and communities all across this nation. and so inaction is just unacceptable. and we really need to think about the complex problem and how we tackle it all the different vantage points. and dr. secor on i, i know that you touched on on this a little bit earlier about about how traumatic all, all of this is for, for survivors, for, for families, for the country. but i do want to take a step,

take a step back for a moment and sort of re focus on that. what, what is a horrific experience like this due to a person? what does it do to, to the survivors? what is it due to relatives of those who have been killed? it's absolutely devastating. i mean, you know, as someone who's a survivor, now i has to come to this discussion from a different vanish. one is a trauma surgeon, and i can tell you that every time i have to walk into those waiting rooms and to talk to those moms and dads, and to explain to them that their child that left that morning is never coming home again. there's no more birthdays and graduations, they're left with simply the picture of their kid on the wall. and it is

absolutely heart wrenching and it never gets easier. and this is happening every day. we're healthcare professionals who are at the center of this discussion because we are not only taking care of these patients, but we're also having to talk to these families and to deliver just unimaginable use. it is just horrific and it's preventable. richard, one of the things that's causing a lot of anger in the united states right now is the fact that the national rifle association has, has re committed to holding its annual meeting in houston, texas this week that despite the mass shooting that happened in vall day texas, you are a former, in our, a regional political director, the fact that there cannot even be a moment when the in are able step back from their stance. maybe cancel or delay this meeting. what do you think of that? well i think it has to do with other fact is they haven't had an annual meeting in

3 years cause of covered they're in a state of internal disarray. they had to go forward with their meeting. i think at the shooting, it happened perhaps a week earlier. they might of a delayed it, but they're already there. they've been setting up for the last 2 days. it was really too late. even cancel it. and so, you know, i think it, it, it gives, in our a more power than they've got to always focus on the n r a. when we talk about a 3rd of the people in this country than on guns. ah, what we're missing is that it's all the half of the households in america. i have a have someone in the household that owns a gun. it's not surprising that people, that own guns care very much about the guns they own, after all, they didn't misuse those guns. someone else did. and they feel that they're being

blamed for something they didn't do. they want to blame the person who misused the gun as much as anyone. and it's having that broad understanding that gun owners actually are enlarge agreement with most of the orientation of keeping guns out of these people's hands. they need to be allies not be demonized as the enemy if we're going to move forward. all right, well we have run out of times. we're gonna have to leave our conversation there today and thanks so much all of our guests. doctor joseph, 2nd, jocelyn sage mitchell. and richard feldman and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also do the conversation on twitter or handle is at ha and sad story from him. how much am jerome the entire team here in dog? bye for now?

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