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him and his wife carried the boos, competed with the cheese party gates and other scandals have taken a heavy toll on the prime ministers. popularity ah, dividing the crown where harry and megan, this was their 1st official appearance together. since quitting is working royal's in 2020. well, i'm sorry to say i'm not a fan of harry and i think they're very, very, very disrespected when i love. i think they supported one. i do have respect for megan. i think that she has some amazing things and tiny, been misunderstood, and probably in the minority. meanwhile, buckingham palace is clearly trying to pace things for queen elizabeth. she's also been ruled out of a trip to the horse races on saturday and increasingly frail, elderly woman, who on surprisingly, is finding 4 days of partying. just
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a bit much re talents out there. ah, it is good to be with us. hello, adrian. something in here and know how the headlines and al jazeera ukraine's president followed maslin skiers marked 100 days since washes invasion began telling his people. victory will be ours. fighting his raging in the east with washing forces close to taking complete control of the don bass region. the chairman of the african union wants food supplies exempt from any sanctions imposed on russia. in a meeting with russia's president vladimir putin, marquis saul said that african countries, a victims of the war or the facing of food security crisis demo. as the headlines that he's continues here on out is here after generation change bay route. but before that will leave you with memories of our friend and colleague sharon up who are clay the voice of palestine. i was 0. media network continues to demand
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a rapid, independent, and transparent investigation in the killing of its journalist in the occupied west bank. the what? what do we need to know that on this we don't need to be nuclear llc and i'm just going to put them in when you get this message. can you open that at the home and ya today, and we're going to give you what we said as well. they didn't put, put this other guy and i'm a lot of them at the book. if you're the one i know, i mean,
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i mean me shooting off the edge of the as the final 3 places at the fi thought will couple decided will life from the playoffs will gather reaction from across the globe teams. the school council 2022. the world qualifies special coverage on al jazeera. mm. welcome to generation change a global series that attempts to understand and challenge ideas that are mobilizing you around the world. i'm lunar stuff on an independent journalist based on lebanon, where jesse campaigners are fighting for radical change.
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a challenge is they faith couldn't be more daunting economic collapse political stalemate, social unrest, and the devastation caused by august 2020, to close, and here and baby's in this episode, we need to young people using their skills to come back to decades of corruption and victory. anything they believe a total with that is the only way forward. oh oh,
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that in can you tell me a little bit about your childhood and be who were there any specific moments or events that said your political activism? the early part of my childhood was not really influenced by politics, but oh, i grew older gradually, arguments too, and nobody's my number. however, also, and lots of the ideas and concepts that were created by the abuse running class and terms of the sectarian connotations of the crisis. so at the end of the day, we're all currently products of the society and the general allergies and soon by the regime. but i got exposed to various other ideas, movement groups that try to deliver an alternative vision for what the country may be, as opposed to what i learned to be as a child. or why do you seeing that the settler club is and pointing and will it have some kind
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of effect outside default of lebanese universities? the secular club started as a socio cultural, political space for students to know more about politics. and the various developments happening with the students as a social group. and this group had to have economic interest which had to be protected. whether it's leaning on who dition battles against the administration to protect student freedom or, and needing long tuition strikes, which protected students' rights are the ones that he had on and $1019.00 it was basically the youth student component of your former 17, oppose them. but it also transformed into a force which is able to impose a certain dis, sports on the lebanese landscape. are you optimistic that her mother network will emerge as it relates to cal movement
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and lebanon? now the way i see the movement rigs or the political movement, the nitrate housing, expansive social base, and then has taken the grassroots as a strategy, as they can be the idea that it should be creating a counter hedge, a monic challenge, most like their empower these ministers based on the various other forces, which i've put up with these places and as a re forward. and i think that's a bank of america, move them as that you were part of the generation that was born and p site, but in 2006, this changed for you. yeah. can you tell me a little bit about dots o, as in lebanon during the 2006, florida, during the summer, i was impacted physically, but also i took it in and i understood even when i was told that narratives impact to public opinion. but it was really during the 2014 goes away. when i was
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entering as a major news organization book, i understood the weights and the importance of accountability, journalism and independent journalism. so that towards the road that i took and my career oh them on, on witness a suze of protests from the past 2 years from 2011, 2015. and then the big 2019 approved that. what was the role of the media in lebanon? the media are owned by parts is in groups and political parties, which are the political class. that's a lot of people and the protest movement throws up against at the hearts of corruption. i enablers, which are the mainstream media. this information is the illustration of corruption in narrative and ideas. so it's really important for me to focus on the needs a narrative and also counted it through investigative work. so with the independent
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me, the organization i worked for, i took on the daily news reporting and covering her violations against protesters. the protests that were happening all over the country. there were media black out, so we were the ones who said lights on north was going on in a way that most means it means to me didn't there have been an increase in attacks on journalists and needs. our workers is freedom of speech and danger, and lebanon in your opinion. i think freedom of speech right now as going through a specific kind of challenge because of social media and the government's use of social media, who intimidates people into self censorship. we need to speak against that, whether or not the intimidation is there and i think a lot of independence needs at workers understand the stress. and they understand
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that now is the time to continue with the accountability. journalism continues with open source investigations in order to uncover the status quo and to dismantle it completely cut in as that. thank you so much for being with us today. your generation did not really witness the civil war in lebanon. however, everyone husband's card in the country may be through our parents or through stories that we hear. now i want to start with euclidean, how did this shape your political activism in the country? no, although we that experienced the civil war, we were thought or heard that the narrative about no sector in conversations, even forms of heroism in all the people that we were supposed to think of very highly. at the end of the day. we also formulated the counter narrative, the idea that you are trans, something this memorial and trans, something the sector and connotations which exist alongside of it. and this is
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something we're currently working on. what about you eyes? so i also have a kind of unique, a bringing as my parents are both from secular background. so i had this angle that i got from my parents wide understanding the trauma that they lived through during the civil war. since it's an inheritance, intergenerational trauma and wanting never to have this happen again. so this was basically my viewpoints going into politics going into activism and going into journalism as well. so, is your generation more radical scheme, more uncompromising in a way we were thought for a long way, the lebanon, that this is the country? these are the relationships that exist between the ruling class and the people between the people themselves, between the various clinical factions which exist in the country. and we're suggesting that there's nothing static about them. lebanon is always in the dynamic transformation, and we're here, you know,
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experiencing another dynamic respiration which going about after october 17, which came about after the oldest for exclusion. we do thing that we have the agency to create the vibe of alternative as like what are the ways in which you can implement such change in your opinion. i think that we learned a lot from what's happening around us since they're so called arab spring and what people are age as when we're able to achieve not only in 2011, but also in 2019 with us across iraq, algeria, sudan, and, and swear. and we learned from each other about tactics and futures and his cities that who want to work together towards getting your, the chair of the political working group of the meadow network, which connect secondary clubs across universities in lebanon, canada transform the student activism into any, some lights political movement in your opinion. well, i think the florida could already be case in the sense that the network is
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established and more than 12 to 13 universities. this suggests that there is potential for genuine competition between secondary progressive components in the many society against a more sectarian reactionary components which have existed historically. the secondary clubs are the mother network and not only calling for secretaries and they're also calling for a wider progressive package that also views with social justice, more democratic inclusion, ideas pertaining to mingle the deliberated from norms which have destroyed their society so or not. and distant ideological group, we are part of the society you are speaking to them with their basic needs. how can you actually convince people who might be even older than this generation to vote outside the scope of their sex when you have 18 facts and lebanon? when you have political parties that are based on their sex and that are not based
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on merit or even the politics, the problem was tackling such a question is that we need to tackle it through it which his client, amazon can someone, though it's for political fact they're also voting for the ability to get a job to be able to get, to get in a school, to be able to get social welfare and all of these things that are tied to sectarian political parties. so really thinking about getting people to vote outside of their sectarian loyalty is we need to also be cognizant that we are telling them to make themselves vulnerable to a reality without their so should protections. and to put it could protections of a mainstream political party would offer them. so this opposition movement should have a certain i'll turn it us and realistic solutions to the sectarian plans. in the 6th system that has been ingrained in every institution and every parts. and parson of our life. so what you're saying basically, is that non sectarian opposition groups need to compete with these long last thing
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and political parties by proving that this is not the way. so actually, and this was a very interesting phenomenon that's happened after the august 4 albedo blast people came together from across lebanon and forums, networks of solidarity and financial and collaborative. certainly there is in networks that don't mimic the same authoritarian client in this thick structure that we're so used to getting the government would say that they are attempting to tackle corrupts and in lebanon, with establishing an anti corruption committee. and, and you law tackling corruption and the county, what's your opinion on that in lebanon? particular the, the term corruption is basically, and potentially immune, particularly when it's anti corruption. because the issue in lebanon was not just corruption in the sense that, you know, we have some interest being distributed within state sectors. it's
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a very structured and systemic issue. we have and has been amplified as the ninety's. we have a run based economy that's completely based on monopolies, the banking sector, plus the real estate sector. we have a sectarian system which completely distributes all ministries or us or use that have come across to the war. we have enlarged that we have a lot of the social and economic inequality. no productive sexes, which produce anything and were simply living the remnants of an extremely me with a brood and unfair economy. so people that are saying we want to fix corruption, but don't even want to fight back the interests of the oligarchy of the banks. then we can't really trust whether they're actually fighting corruption. so as long as this is at stake, there is no such thing as anti corruption. has not on august, 4th, 2020 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded and battled causing damage to the whole city . can you tell me what happened on that day?
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so i was in the office, i had the work call in the middle of it and then 6, so 8th happened and then i felt a tremor that took me back and forth. and i hadn't realized what had happened. but i heard the noise of the huge explosion, and i saw that everything was destroyed around us. our colleagues were really close to the windows, and we were trying to figure out if anyone was injured. and because my apartment to my office were right beside each other, and i could see complete destruction of my apartment, because this was an office for an independent needs organization. some of our videographers took their gear and they went down to found the carnage. it was a complete massacre. it was something that i think no one wants to live through again or ever. what about to kennedy once i heard the explosion and i felt that everything was shaking the 1st thought. the games are mine. as of
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this it's, i also was quite frightened in the position i was in because i felt maybe the building could collapse at any moment. so it was extreme uncertainty about the next 30 minutes. after i was out and took my car, i noticed that people are injured everywhere. so it was a huge catastrophic moment in which everything norman, in our lives was hosted. as that you mentioned that you were in an office working with an independent media organization. did you manage after that to resume your work direct? he, i think what fueled us to continue and to actually double down on our reporting and on our coverage was our anger towards whatever happened and whoever were responsible. so this could be seen with our investigations with our daily news
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coverage and trying to piece together what's happened. why was there a fire? what's blew up before the ammonium nitrate? where was it exactly and which warehouse i was able to look at. ok. this video a 2nd on the roof of this building, and this time, this enabled me to actually piece together something so that i can know what's happened because the anxiety of not knowing was worse than the executive. what's happened after $15000000000.00 is the number estimated when we talk about the damages that were caused by this explosion. there are so many alleged accusations that corruption reached aids. where does corruption and carrying the aid as thus have them of the answer to corruption. because thieving this regime with more funds or the really by the international community, with only need to it's reproduction and safeguarding its own basis. the solution is
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in us is in the hundreds of thousands of people from various social groups and monroe's and sex. who believe if they mobilize and create the differences of solidarity this could potentially create an advocate resistance in the regime a but there is no certainty in sites, but there is always hope. can you, can i just jump in here when i look at are i understand corruption? it isn't just from like an institutional governmental perspective, but if there is corruption, one place, it's probably tied to corruption elsewhere. when make a phone, use them an investigation about the origins of the ship that brought them on united states to the bay to its poor. there were tied to syrian russian or firms with addresses in london, so corruption is the globin. now i think when we want to understand and to fight
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corruption, we need to think about it as a system of solidarity. that is boyd or less at the same time and collaborate with independent media organizations just like the panama papers have done to uncover money laundering scandals across the world. i think there's only really important when she said, but there's also something her and to emphasize on based on this that i mean is regime is tied to international and global interest which sustain it. now that is something to critique, but it's also something to look at and slightly so be inspired from that. if we do break these links or if we do create alternative links across borders that good or multiply the strength of our movement. and potentially, we could benefit from a, an alternative, the national network of people who sing this way. and that's how we can create
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alternative power in the country and ultimately replace the current regime in site . i mean, cream. just looking at the protest starting tactics from the 20 october 2019 protest movement. we learned from hong kong we learned from turkey, we learned from sudan. and then again in may 2021, the george floyd protest. i said lebanese activists helped or created a guide for a black lives matter activists in minnesota in order to help them in terms of distance security help with tear gas. so this, sorry there to doesn't just transcend our fight against corruption, but also our fight against utter authoritarian regimes and oppressors. one of the so many challenges that the country is facing an integration or brain drain, many of the young generation are leaving for good. i mean, you mentioned that you're a part of the meadow network, which is connecting different secretary clubs,
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but the protests are kind of on hold right now. how do you motivate people? how do you revive these events and this chiefs? not many people have the luxury to go else. a lot of people are stuck here in the sense and they have no choice but to fight back for these after the august or explosion when the people basically occupied martyrs where they were and saying, you know, let's make some calculations and see if we can afford this or that they just went sometimes we assume that if people emigrate, then they don't have her own. but this is a huge fantasy at times, the lebanese regime benefits from the bay explorer. they benefits from the fact that we're gonna explore every one. and then they'll give us the money so we can sustain ourselves. the opposition has a reality. the reality is that people are outside. how can they benefit us? well, most of organization mechanisms that can mechanisms are becoming online as dressers, movements. so people can take part in meetings and sharing ideas and talking to people and getting heaps of people to vote. so that's all about raising alternative
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networks by using the diaspora that was exported by the regime itself. but also kareem, i think, as opposition groups, or as students or union organizers, we need to learn to add the college, our hope for the future, which we saw on the streets in the beginning of the 17 october 2019 protest movements. people were coming together and dan, saying, cooking together, singing together, trading things with each other. these are in form of systems of relationships and trades that had never been seen in at least downtown bay boots until before itself, the civil war. as not, we do know how media is monopolized in lebanon. how excited to private businesses, to politicians. how can you change that? so 1st, i think we need to recognize that 12 political families own, at least half of the mainstream media in lebanon. the other half is either owned by
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business men, by individuals, politically affiliated or by specific political parties. so the control over one, the media, but 2 and most importantly, the discourse and the sources of information is squarely in the hands of those and powered but independence. visa organizations have found ways mobilizing the jest, florida, and becoming important sources of information from the ground. since they are the only ones that film from the ground, from the point of view of the protest her from the point of view of the oppressed. but again, the independence media needs to work together with a grassroots movements with some of sites organizations to bridge together all these things in order to have a sustainable future. when you talk about all of these hopes and dreams, there's the ser and components that we need to talk about and that is challenging.
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his secular state has been law as a dominant political shade fighting lebanon. now some argue that they are a state within a state. how do you build a secular government with the presence of such prices? i don't think it's even possible to look for genuine the radical reform of the country with the state when the state like has valor, which is not just a party that distributes it's an infrastructure of the state of itself. it participates in other conflicts in the region and it also tokenize is on various causes. now the question remains, how do we resist this? and i knew also have an issue with those who proclaimed to fight against has below . and in fact, they only tackled as vala from their own sectarian point of view. it was never a progressive starting point. and that's something that's extremely necessary. we want to go a step forward, but isn't that challenging?
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because has bella says that they are present to defend belvin border is the only way to tackle such a permeated nib state. as well as to recreate a new narrative. it does not mean we have to concede to hezbollah at all. in fact, that's a big mistake. many opposition parties are doing. we need to continue creating this counter hedge money from a starting point which is secular, progressive and insularity with all of those oppressed by hello. and by not has model. yeah. so, is there is face for optimism and a country so complex like lebanon, that the weights for the 2022 elections or some kind of change. there's never pessimism or optimism. there is a complex reality as you said. and this complexity in, of it's says, gives us hope because was happening this year,
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may not happen 3 years later. but the 2022 elections cannot be seen as a break, so it can only be seen as of today. however many other breakthroughs await, because at the end of the day saddle honeyed in october 29, 2019 was not thinking that was in the directions. it was taken out by the streets. and the streets could reinvent itself as does that them in these regime. so i agree completely with cream and saying that elections as a tool, it's not a means to an end. i think organizing through syndicates to clubs, to students unions and across identities and sectarian loyalties is really important. so are you going to be the generation that finds a solution for this ongoing crisis and lebanon? i don't know. that's a lot of responsibility for a generation,
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because i think our parents thought they would be that generation. and i think their parents thought they would be that generation. so maybe i will listen. i actually think there's no such thing as this. you know, one time change in the country, lebanon, 200 years ago, was the, from the lebanon today. and social movements always existed and pressured in a certain direction. so i think each generation made this contribution and we're here to make our modest contribution and to see what comes ahead of us. that's it for this episode of generation change from lebanon. katie mazda, thank you so much for taking part. it's been a very enlightening conversation. thank you. thank phone bye. across the world, young exhibition organizes are on the moon. the day we do the work.
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