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i mean, i mean i shooting them off the edge of the ah dozens are killed in the container depot explosion in bangladesh. it's the latest incident to target debate. all the countries for industrial safety standards, so as in not being done to protect workers. this is the inside story.
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ah hello and welcome to the program. i am hashem, aha butter. unfortunately, industrial accidents are to come on in bangladesh. in the latest incident, dozens of people were killed in a fire explosion at a container port near the city of chatter, graham hundreds were seriously wounded, doctor se most people died in the explosion or from inhaling toxic fumes. fire fighters, believe a container of chemicals may have caused the blaze. special branch of the military has been called in to help with the salvage operation. then we should re, has more from the capital decor, rescue and salvage operation is still containing bunger,
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the firefighters have been held by spatial unit of the army. it is still not clearly out of danger, and many of the container still has films on small fires. they're worried that many of the containers could have flammable chemicals. so this is a danger zone. hospitals are over when many of the injured have been brought to the capital city dhaka. now the government has announcing compensation package for the injured victims and those who died for their families, the prime minister and the precedence under condolence to the families, bangladesh, as we know, as a history of industrial accidents since 2013 run a plaza industrial accident much have been improved in this country, especially in the textile and garment sector, but much needs to be improved in other sector. it's a fast growing economy with many industrious coming out the fire fighting. a cubans are not up to the time it has to deal with high rise building chemical industries and many other sophisticated investors that growing around different parts of the
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country. now we know there's a limited resource. there is a lack of fire fighting equipment in many places. there is lack of enforcement expert to have one that in the off time bung with us. fire fighting unit needs to be trained better and better acute the most important part of them must be able to enforce these laws in this factories and other places. those are clearly in danger of accidents and fire sandwich charlie for inside story. let's take a quick look at major industrial accidents in bangladesh during the last decade. in 201217 workers died were locked, exit tools, chopped them in a garment that factory on fire in the capitol duyka. 5 months later, the countries suffered its worst industrial disaster. when the runner, plaza clothing factory collapsed, more than a i was, and a 100 people were killed in 2019 a blaze swept through an area crowned with apartments,
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shops and warehouses in the oldest part of decor, killing at least 70 people, and $52.00 people died last june when a fire destroyed a foot and drink factory. many were trapped inside by a door that was illegally locked bangladesh recently held is 1st industrial safety forum where the international labor organization, their disgust developing a national industrial safety framework with a focus on building safety and better protection for workers. government minister say committees have been set up to review labor laws. civil society groups sate smaller factories that make up the bulk of the industrial sector. often failed to carry out routines. safety checks ah, less bringing in our guests in darker and darker alarm more as them research
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director of the center for policy dialog thinktank. together with the international labor organization, they organized the 1st industrial safety forum last month in brussels. ben van pepper strata senior legal advisor, the europeans center for constitutional and humor, whites, and a london stephan cotton general. secretary of the international transport workers federation. it has 15 affiliated uni, as in bangladesh. welcome to the program from docker. i mean from past incidence. could this be another act of negligence and poor safety procedures? i think you are, i did that. this is one of the reflection of lack of governance in case of that is just safety point. your view. one with this has the over the last one begin has made improvement in this for safety and the ready man government sector, which is a major export products, but similar kind sofa as investor safety haven't yet actually insured for non ready
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met. garment products and chemical industries. and because of that dispense of incidence happened in bangladesh, so we need to actually now think offer improvement. all the industrial safety not only. busy the one sector, but across the board for all important safety concern related sectors and industries. ben, i'm in on paper. the government will tell you've made some progress. when you look at this particular incident, 4000 containers stored in our depot. and then some of those containers have chemical substances that helped spread the fire the, the fire fighters were struggling to contain the fire. you don't, you don't get a sense whatsoever. they have really learned a great deal from past incidence, which really concur with that on paper bangladesh. old, a stellar fire and building safety regulations in the country on paper are up to
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the march. they align with international standards on fire and building safety. but the problem is that the regulations remainder paper tiger because the problem is really in the enforcement, it's about the inspectorate. how many people are in the expect inspectorate? so the inspector, it also has the mandates to compel specific actions, for example, closing something or temporary shifting some, some high risk areas down, those that have actually enough independence. she's a v decides to inspect the real problem in bangladesh has been and still, unfortunately remains. enforcements stephan many now are blaming small factories in the car for the incident. the have been taking place for the last few years. you have 15, a unions which are created with you. what is the biggest concern?
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what is the biggest problem as far as their presence in bangladesh is concerned? thanks to santa, i think, just echoing the other commentators said, the big challenge is making sure that what's written up, both in the legislation and the guidelines about occupational health and safety are enforceable and delivered. so for us that the big concern here seems to be that containers with aren't identified contents, so the firefighters don't know how to sort of see a question in the leading a part of the article about is the standard good enough for full really camera chemicals are highly flammable and very dangerous. so the question is, for us is enforcement transparency and how to respond. so for all of our unions, which are mostly in the trends sector, and it's all about ensuring that international standards go into bangladesh. and
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angels condo, i'm in the bloss shook an entire neighbourhood and is raising questions about the same issue that people were concerned about for many years, which is the presence of chemical plans located in proximity with, with, with towns and nothing has been done about this. yes, you're right, the better over the years, this types of incidence as happened in earlier also the same kind of incidence. we observed a in the vicinity of the i'm a locally te where lots of people actually stapled and but no, no major changes happen in tom sulphur relocation. all these kind. so for a for player of, of factories or a safer places as well as the dera, not all of a proper culture developed to improve the safety related compliance as in the
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factories. what is unfortunate burg here is that often an incidence this happened and after that are on government and all that i didn't see said look for read actually. and i have a responsible for that and try to find out and try to blame each other. but the problem yet is that no such safety culture has yet to develop a in case of the industrial safety point of view here in bangladesh. so it is, it is important to create dec kinds of industrial safety culture at the factory level to where it is not that actually look into the incidences often after a factory has established an ace operation started. but before that when a and in, when a new factory is actually built in long dead debt on the safety related issues need to be checked in properly a registration, a license is to be actually monitored properly. so that any kind of incidence as own be actually a be reduced and dec i saw things haven't yet actually done. so need to have
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a safety culture from the very 1st just received the establishment of the factory and then its operation. and finally, day in the, in the course of time. so the best bet kinds of continent practice need to be improved. we will, we will go now into some details about the very industry itself, the regulations, the law, the d, as the hobbyist in the past. and why we still have those problems bent. the garment industry is the backbone of the or bangladesh economy. accounts for something like 80 percent of the export revenues employs more than 4000000 people. you've got it that you might think this is, this is the pride of the nation. the government would be looking after it. this is not the case whatsoever. so that's, that's stuckey that. so the rights garments are important for the exports. i wouldn't say the backbone of the and of the economy because there's also some domestic factors that are really important. but it is really the flagship
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industrial sector. and it is also the flagship industrial sector, in the sense that it's where, as we saw earlier in the show where a lot of these industrial accidents stuff happens. and we're also, we're plenty of opportunities to learn from and, and improve the labor inspector. it's as well as the fire and building safety inspectors. so it is an important industry of the country. it's an important industry with lots of international attention, but it's also an industry that is, that is problem with all kinds of problems where we do see that i'm building safety issues are problem, but also labor rides are toward to significantly. there is a problem with limits, it's freedom of association. so workers can't join a form, you know, their own choosing the wages are low. now we just have to, it's where we saw all kinds of workers working in even for occupational health and
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safety situations, sometimes being dismissed without a safety net present. so there's all, it's a factor unfortunately that is run but. busy treatment, but also a sector which is prevalent of solutions know to be on how to build an inspector, and that is capable of actually inspecting the fire and building se of specific facilities on the one hand. and secondly, we're also compensation has already been provided according to international vendor . it's know to be to to test re fire and the run a plaza disaster. so there's also so much i'm going to be taken and mainstream throughout economy from that specific sector. stephan, speaking about those solutions that's been, was talking about. so you have this industry where you have key players, the global fashion retailers, the trade unions. you have 15 uni as affiliated with, with you. and then you have the factory owners and still having these same problems
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. do you think that this could be the moment to talk about an independent inspection mechanism that would be overseeing all the different aspects of the, of the process to prevent such incidents in the future? as a great question, i see for us this 1st i think we need an independent investigation and i would encourage international. ready others because we need to know exactly what happened here around the plaza situation gave us an opportunity to connect with the multi nationals those with a big reputation directly as we would say to the supply chain or to due diligence. and we think right now this is more important than ever been mentioned, kind of it highlighted workplace, occupational health and safety. and kind of it highlighted the weaknesses in our global supply chains. whether it be from the manufacturing,
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from the global south to the, to the global north. now we really have to look at how we're accountable. and i would encourage not just the bangladesh in forties, but also the clients of the factories that occupational health and safety authorities. and again, it's not just a bangladesh challenge to have good quality labor inspectors who enforce regulations. so for us, we see in the sense of due diligence, so it could be a multinational contract the bangladesh company. we read to understand particularly in this incidence is what exactly happened. and what do we need to put in place, but the battle goes on and i think that's a big question. certainly feel viewers and consumers as a whole. we, we all. ready want to have the best possible materials, but we've also got to understand that comes at price and bangladesh needs more investment. and we need to be able to tell the client of the individual companies
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just one point on the workers' rights and freedom of association. and i know that has a check of record in this space and it's difficult to raise effective unions in very small factories. so we continue to work with these are unions and to have a strong relationship with government. have a choice outside model was. ready interest by the i love, but we do need the global employers to recognize that they have a responsibility to every worker in their supply chain. conduct. i'm in says to the tragedy of 2013 the have been deals to try to regulate the whole sector, the 2021. international a cause for health and safety in the tech side. and garment industry were, was what was widely seen as a, as a turning point. because 1st of all, it's a legally binding it pat where all the parties will be held accountable in case
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of a disaster. but in this particular case, is it the, the atmosphere of impunity which has been prevailing in your country that has contributed to this tragedy. i think her buried him. it got more sick than what we observe over the decade is as some sort of a shared responsibility, both from the branch buyers point of view as well as from the suppliers end as well as on the local government, as well as international know, sourcing countries and therefore, a good improvement happened in terms of improvement of the workplace safety in the ready, mon gamez sector. what is unfortunate burg here is that not all the supply gains are so much strong, particularly with regard to the global supply chain. and we are very few of such industries which are very strong global supply chains other than the regimen gama
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sector. and deck has a major problem here. i had is that we could actually create much more pressure from best supplier buyers, end to improve the in the workplace, safety and security. unfortunately, we observed that if the branch buyers and that the rational buyers has taken a major initiative from the global compliance point of view, it is rather easier for improvement of the workplace safety here. and for of, for debt point of the, the non gradient gone, the sick there has limited abner participation all done and international. abram inspires. so that is a challenge of how we could actually em know, improve it to the local level initiatives that there are some initiatives we are currently ongoing. along with this investment development authority has taken any shape if by inspecting 5000 factories. but this is at the very, really, at a dis my elementary level, which has need to have a major significant improvement dumps off of a mo, inspecting and thereby creating
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a safety framework. unless and until a safety fremont could be stablished and all responsible against this could be now brought in did. and to be smart, make responsible. it is rather difficult for from to ensure the safety at this stage. so i think at a local level initiative here. busy for the non ready met, garmon sector is very, very important for the 2nd esther safety forum under the ilo, a guy that has now try to establish an industry or safety framework in the country . ben again, i have him issue with a, we're with the, with the agreements with the intention of the government. but like with this particular div the law steel, they said that that is an entity called the gama sustainability council. the gc, the g s. c, which, which is man data to of a see the implementation of the deal. i ensure that the workers in the garment industry operate in a very safe environment. no warning whatsoever. i mean,
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you ask anyone who is dealing with this sector and who will tell you, you know, it is just a matter of time before another incident will hit again and again, that's analysis. certainly correct, because the reason that that ones run up happened, people had to resort to an international court was not to be a failure of national institutions to prevent it because even before on the or even before it does ring, there's also a decade of track record of industrial accidents, so even at that moment in time, and that's unfortunately now, almost 10 years ago that was a disaster in the making. and people were already seeing it coming. it was just not clear when and in what extent. so in that sense, it's very painful to see how little has been learned,
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whereas all the elements are on the table. so indeed, maybe the reason that the court, the international agreement between grant and international union was formed, it was no to me to find a form of accountability and transparency at international level. knowing that the collusion between industry interest and the government was too intense. and that's to allow for an independent inspectorate here, depending on the sector, we really need to maybe tailor that a bit, but the same ingredients of independence to the inspectorate accountability transparency to pass our on the table. second to me. everything related to unions because mr. colton has also focused on that unions on dash, don't have a lot of space, the internet, the labor laws, full shorts to international minimum standards and already again for a few decades. and the ilo has repeated the pointed extension on that. and there's
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also repeatedly been roadmaps on how to amend labor law, how to improve labor inspectorate, etc. how to establish expansion safety committees, though it's really about read those things. all right? and then the 3rd biller. the 3rd biller is after ron plaza. and when we did manage to come up with an international compensation scheme, which was aligned with iowa convention, $1.00 to $1.00. so that is approved model, which is up to the march. the question there was to generalize that into a national employment entry insurance that would have immediately now take started compensation. okay, the victims and that's on the table. so that's also planned that this ready and ready to roll out 7. when you look, this is, this is an economy that is recover, bring from the covey. 19 pandemic. 2 years ago to, i mean $2800000000.00 worth of orders were either canceled or paused. now there is
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massive pressure on the workers to boost production and i think that wages safety conditions now are going to be relegated to the sidelines where all these concerns now about safety procedures. for us, the principal was laid out by our colleague from the main very, very so i think it's. ready critical and we learned throughout the period, but you have to build very strong collaborations and i think it's our invitation to the bangladesh government. but also the leading brands, all those contracts. i think it's actually critical in the european union. we've seen new laws come in in france and laws in the process in germany about due diligence, and what does that mean? it means that the contract or the economic employer, the multinational lead firm, has responsibility all the way through the supply chain. now we understand the economic pressure on the bangladesh government to bring foreign currency. but of
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course it doesn't. ready work unless you have a strong, independent in labor inspector. it doesn't work unless you have strong trade unions to represent the workers in the workplace and with an influence in the legislation . so for us, it's a critical time to reflect. this incident is one of many, something isn't working as it should do, and we need to re energize the significant stakeholders. let's be very clear. economic power of the multinational firms that needs to be brought to clay, to hold each and every part of the supply chain. so the manufacturing, the transportation that question here into an accountability in a very clear stand. and of course all of us in the light and a very key, thank you to to be part of that process. thank you. i'm been a strata and stephanie customer,
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