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memories of our colleague, serene o'clock. ah no, not a from with millions to me as an honest, with a view to what the seller to what the hell that the put up with a lot of information about the possible booking for the week. i know you're the one. i don't see a

shooting avita. ah i think i've some yeah. okay. and join the stream to day it has be more than 100 days since the u. s. basketball stop. whitney griner was detained in russia, but that happened some new developments. a may 13th rhina, attended

a russian court while her pre trial detention was extended by another month. and that rolling came days after the u. s. state department said greiner had been wrongfully detained. i colleagues the a j plus put together this explain a video ah a with your panel today know an awful lot about us hostage taken in crisis situations. danielle, jason and jonathan. welcome back to the stream. i'm gonna get you to tell our audience who you are, what you do, danielle, you go 1st. welcome. thank you so much for having me. i'm

a professor of military and strategic studies at the us air force academy. and i'm here because all of my research is about kidnapping by non state groups and hostage taking by day thing. you have unique expertise in our conversation today. remind our audience who you are, what you think. welcome back to the stream. thanks for having me back to me. i appreciate i'm jason reside. i'm on this for the wash in both. previously, i was the bureau chief in tehran until i was taken hostage by the islamic republic and held wrongfully detained for 544 days. get to have you back and i think that jonathan, welcome to the string. please introduce yourself to audience. tell them who you are, what you do. it. thanks for having me. i'm jonathan franks. i'm a crisis management consultant by trade and back in probably about 2014. i started working on wrongful tension cases and most recently worked on the case of trevor read, who was released in late april, lie in a prisoner exchange,

absolutely audience. we have so much expertise right here for you. if you want to talk to any of our panel, you want to ask them questions. you can do so by youtube. put your comments, your questions into the comment section. be part of today's show. that phrase, wrongfully depend. what happened behind the scenes? danielle, you can help us get study festival for brittany griner to not be just detained in russia, but for the us, take the pop thing and she is wrongfully detained. what happened? thanks for the question. and i'll just note that i'm here today in my personal capacity. so i'm not speaking on behalf of the us government. so a couple of years ago us congress passed the law that essentially help us figure out what to do when an america is arrested abroad. and there's something that goes wrong in this case. so americans are arrested overseas all the time. but the united states government is not always going to intervene in those cases to do something about it. but every once in a while want to be case, it comes along where the us government says there is something illegitimate,

unjustified about this iraq. whether back that the united states government thinks that the person was arrested to be hostage. we don't think that they were actually guilty of the crime. they committed or simply whether the u. s. government thinks that there is a question about whether or not the criminal justice system in that countries handle cases, the foreigners fairly. so once the state department makes determination that an arrest is not an arrest abroad, but a wrongful or unlawful pretension that case is transferred from one state department to another. but that person goes from the purview of the consular affairs bureau, whose responsibility would simply be to visit that person and present and make sure that they're being treated fairly. and transfer their case to the office of the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs. daniel once. so mister villians

point if you, because i don't want to tell me everything it takes to do this, i was, we will be at the end of the show from a civilian point of view, from a previous point of view. i my point of view, this is a game changer. is it? jonathan? you're notting, you go ahead, jump in place. i don't want to say it was a game changer, but i was pleased to see brittney get designated prior to a trial court ruling in trevor's case. he wasn't designated to read that it wasn't designated until the day was convicted. so i think the hallmarks of arbitrary detention existed early on in the case and as the i see them to. and in brittany's case, i was pleased that they did this, and i hope that they continue, you know, intervening in these cases a little earlier as opposed to waiting for sham, judicial processes to produce outcomes. they've got some thought on youtube. all right, i'm going to share them with you as a lot of support from britney's. hometown houston and also a couple of comments here regarding president bond. he needs to do as much as possible as soon as possible. jason thought, look, i think the,

we have to remember that it's not president biden, for the brittany griner is being wrongfully detained by russia, held hostage by russia, however you want to term it. but ultimately, it is going to be president biden's responsibility to make the decision to, to, to do whatever he has to do to secure her release. and oftentimes in these cases, the things that have to happen, whether it's a prisoner swap, the releasing of some assets or lifting of a sanction, or some other concession. it's on the u. s. president to make that decision. and you know, i happened in my case. i was released alongside who john was was, was assisting as well. it happened in other cases. we can't assume that ultimately, the russian government or iranian government or any other government takes hostages, is certainly going to do the right thing. so it's incumbent on whoever the u. s.

president is to, to get involved. if we want to see the safe and speedy return of americans, the fact you discover situation that the u. s. government is in right now as handed approved sandwich. explain. well look, it's not, it's not a good situation to be in because ultimately you're, you're forced to make a decision that in some ways is bending the rules. but we have to acknowledge that the rules were completely broken when, when the offending government took an american hostage. so, you know, ultimately it's never going to be you know, an easy fix to bring an american health hostage home. but the, the point that, that i make, and i know jonathan makes it regularly as well. these are popular decisions to make bringing americans were wrongfully held hostage abroad home is good for any politician. and as we saw in the release trove read,

republicans did not come out and say any ang against president biden, or the democrats for doing this. and i think that that's a really important thing for us to acknowledge. this is not a bipartisan issue. it's a non partisan issue. this is an american issue, and not only an american issue, it's an issue for democracies around the world. if we don't get this figured out, this is going to happen more and more and more. and we see that happening right now . let me see, well, i'll love to say a couple things i want to share with her. what russia has been saying about with nick right now as well, but you go 1st and then we go back to russia's take on the situation. sure. i was just going to say that i, john and jason were expressing that this really pit 2 interests of the united states government directly against each other. this is the president of the united states, the united states government that cared a lot about what's happening in russia and ukraine wants to oppose what russia ukraine is opposed to the unlawful detention of american pride. but at the same

time wants to get american home. and so that's a really difficult decision for the united states government to be. and we also think about what that means for the united states public. we hadn't received less attention from the american public for these kinds of cases. then we would from other countries around the world, americans are not known for protesting and taking the $34.00 cases of hostages or multiple detentions. and that's not necessarily the case. and a lot of our allies, and so we might, even if it's popular for the united states president to work on these cases and bring someone home, it's not the same kind of thing that we will see in the world. i want to bring in the voice of a journalist cord, tamarind sprill. i'm just going to show you the sort of things that she's been sharing online. and she says, this is a new phase in the brittany griner change door or petition is under way that w m b a has partner with me and change into marty the our elected officials work

urge him to gain, be g swift and safe release. let me show you the petition here. and the story about the petition, and then here is the petition. and then this is what cameron finch was just a few hours ago. haven't listen, have a look at this jonathan, and then come immediately of the back because i am being treated to what you feel the media attention can do his talent. by far, the biggest challenge to advocating for brittany grinders release was doing it alone. as a freelance journalist and ultimately a concerned citizen who was just operating from the seat of my soul on a sense of moral conviction. because i had read and learned from other people's accounts of surviving detention in foreign countries. that visibility matters. i was so grateful when the w and the players association got on board and from them the, you know, the signatures of grown and the stories become bigger. it's staying in the new

cycle, which is what we want. and i'm hopeful that it will lead to something good. well, you know, i find that it is very important to have media attention and also to have an organizing tool which is really what changes. right. and i do think that it helps in these cases, when they're, there is a cohesive message, right? sort of and that reminds us who the detainee is, right? because the professor is absolutely right. americans don't react anymore by going to the streets, you know, age very different here and some of our allied countries. so i was thrilled to c w and via join this because i, i kind of wondered what was taking so long for the w and b a to kind of come out and join. because to me, i've seen, i mean brittany's been there 109 days and i've seen this is fairly critical from the 1st day that, you know, it was announced and it would have been good to see that kind of messaging,

you know, outfront from the w b i just got to journalists not sure i don't have to can i jump in and add something to, to what, what jonathan to say jason, you are doing it right now. go ahead, aren't good so, so, you know, i think one thing that we have to remember is that u. s. government is not going to start talking about these cases publicly without the permission of the family or an employer is not going to start talking about these cases without the permission of the family. any media organization that is doing its due diligence, well not really report widely on these cases without the consent and permission of the family. so we after acknowledge that that's part of the challenge in any one of these cases. hello m. yeah, jason, if i, if i'm a let's, let's hear from sharon greiner, who is germany dryness partner and wife. and she spoke last week on

a major breakfast show in the united states. and i wonder if again, with the reclassification of what britney gwinnett is perceived to be by the state department and her family coming out that feels to me like that is those 2 things going tandem? so he is sharelle, let her know she's not forgot it. mike, obviously you know who you seen on the barrier coaching? i mean he had me coming to your rescue. yeah. i know. it makes her feel good. she wanted me forgot it. she certainly has not been forgotten. she was never forgotten. i think that there's obviously going to be some reluctance on the part of a family on her part of a, a massive international organization like the n b a and a w n. b a to speak out forcefully about these things. and i'm glad that they

finally made the decision to do that. i was at game one of the n b, a finals last week in san francisco mission or adam silver. unprompted spoke about brittany and i think that all of this is helpful to the person in captivity. one a it, it provides a level of moral support and strength to know that people are talking about you publicly. but it also ensures that the hostage takers are likely to treat the person better than they would if this was being done in science. so i want to go back to you danielle, because the last time we had you on the stream, we were asking questions like this. have a look here on my laptop. brittany gwinnett has been a bandage by the m b a stars who could help her. the most and then i dug around on your twitter feed. we said i found lebron james. we need to come together and help do whatever we possibly can to win b g and quickly and safely dug around

a little bit more found. we are b, g hash tag, we are b, g and then also carmelo anthony, this is from jean, the 2nd i believe this is what camilo said. i am carmelo anthony. i want to take this out to bring up our friend brittany griner. 105 days has been 105 days since brittany grant has been wrongfully detained in russia. she is a w, n b, a player and olympian, a teammate, a sister, a daughter, a wife. she is a human and she needs to come home. the now few weeks ago we were not saying this at all. now we are what's happening and how effective is it? i love seeing this back again. i'm so glad that we're seeing it. and i think that it, it appears to me to be a coordinated campaign. right. it means that britney griner family, her employer, her teammates, her and, and her us olympics and n b, a family is all coming together to make the point at quite publicly. and just like

jason was saying, you know, i, i've never been in that situation. i've never been in prison in a foreign country, jason has, but i can imagine how much comfort and competence it would give you to know that people back home are advocating for your quick and a return. we know that that greiner is receiving emails and mail and that she knows what's happening outside of her case. and i could imagine that this is a huge competence. it's also really important moment in the n b, a finals, a really great opportunity to get that kind of attention that's going to put pressure on the white house the day. totally focused on this case. i have so many questions for you. guess i'm going to ask you to make this the speed round instant question instant. sorry to do this quickly. audi it's a really keen to speak to you. so ricardo paul says, i pray that they are treating her well. jonathan, what do you know about women's detention centers in russia?

i think you could assume that they are much different in harsher conditions than you would find in the united states. but also probably not. if i know, you know, everyone saw what trouble read described. it's probably not quite that bad, although it is, you know, she's not in the good place. all right, some more for you. i'm going to put this one to you jason. is there a risk of raising miss kline his profile there by making it difficult to achieve her? really i have always argued that, that raising the profile does not make it more difficult because ultimately you're raising the profile so that the u. s. government acts, russia knows exactly who they took. they know exactly why they took her. i think that we do her greatest service by muting efforts to call for this is a question here, and i know you did a new to this. i just wanted you to give us a little bit more detail. i. i'm not understanding, didn't she actually break the law?

this isn't political. another question, didn't she have illegal drugs on her personal luggage? if yes, aunt, those drugs binding russia? so k people are saying, hold on a minute, she's arrested, isn't she in trouble? she's not a hostage, danielle quickly. so 1st of all, we don't actually know if she had any drugs in her luggage. we don't trust claims about why russia invaded ukraine. why would we trust the rest of them when they claim that an american athlete had done them there? i just don't see why we should trust that. but even if she did, which i'm not bang, she did, the united states government still doesn't trust that american citizens, especially a black l, u b t q american citizen would be treated. they are lee and given a fair shake by the criminal justice system. and so that's why the us government wants to get involved in bringing her home. jonathan guy, if i could just jump in right, one of the where you're showing the video now if you, if they could rewind it to where the dog is looking at the driver,

you have no idea what you're asking us to see if i revise the, the video done eventually watch the dog in a single out the single bag because dog alerted, i've watched the video hundreds of times when the russians have invented a telepathic dog. that dog did not alert. right and, you know, having lives to try to read case. right. and in that case, the russians made up in a cell phone, a police officer that probably didn't take place. right. and this proven by the allegation is just proven by video evidence. so where are the drugs, right? where's the alerting right? we, we cannot discount the fact that the russian government is a prone to reenact videos like this and be also prone to completely fabricate charges. and one more thing that i want to think is, i think it's essential. this happened more than 3 months ago. the incident supposedly happened during a routine border crossing into russia. why would it take for months to do an

investigation? i mean, there's absolutely no reason for us to accept that this is a valid judicial investigation. i'm just looking, i was going to bring it in a little bit earlier, but now just get a time as any. i'm just wondering about the russian take. the 13th a statement was given to an international news network. this is what russian authorities said that britney was caught red handed while trying to smuggle, hash oil in russia. this is a crime. and then they say that it's a criminal code of the russian federation. and she faces a prison time of up to 10 years. and the attempts by the state department to cast out the validity of the pension of b. greiner explains solely by the desire to influence justice by politicizing. a generally understandable situation, that is the russian authorities take on this ho 5 for michael. i know you want to let me jump in on this, but this is what they are saying. they're not here to for rebuttal. when i hear

that you're saying no categorically, this is wrong. but i also want to bring in an additional idea for a strategy. i'm going to put this to you. this is what kimberly told us earlier. jason, have a listen and then respond. this is the time when about administration uses are thinking about how far is it willing to go to get her beliefs, particularly after the research links of trevor read. so the last 2 high profile americans of russia, custody or brittany on paul. we would, so the next approach beyond diplomatic pressure is probably thinking about further prisoner exchanges between russia and the united states. i have no problem with preserve exchanges. i was released in one. it's not something that we should be forced into, but until we come up with effective deterrent for hospice taking by states. this is going to continue to happen and you know,

the us government job is to bring people home as quickly and safely as possible. i think for me, so many of those similar things were said about me. mean obviously the charges against me were different. i was accused of being a spy for the us government. and iranian authorities repeated those claims over and over again. never produced any evidence. and by the way, i didn't have an opportunity to defend myself in any public setting. britney griner, we haven't been able to hear from brittany grant for over a 110 days. i mean, this is, this is lucas. and so if it takes doing a swap to bear home, i'm sure that there are, there are russian citizens who are nearing the end of long prison sentences. the problem with the bill. well if i mean, i don't, i think the next trade the next deal is pretty clear. right. the russians have been pretty clear about him. it's been a national priority of their since 2016. they've been sent a member of their legit human rights commissioner here. whom use the loud back in

2016 that these 2 russian people would eventually be traded for americans. and that's what actually took place. they went out and kidnapped to veterans to do this . so to me, the move is, is to make a, a deal for, for greiner and whelan, in exchange for one of the russians that is currently in cost. i want to bring in one more voice here, and it's almost stating the obvious. but we haven't mentioned this yet, and this is the circumstances with which way in right now of the united states is in right now with russia. so even during normal times normal in an air quotes, it would be a difficult conversation to have. but currently russia is invading ukraine. so this is professor stole with an added thought. my concern is that with the war in ukraine, neither of states, some are russia, want to do anything,

seems like compromised. and the net result may be that she goes to personally. so people said that a lot to me in the months leading up to travel originally. so the war we have to wait till after the war. right. there is a long history of diplomatic engagement in the worst of times. right. and i would say that the, the release that jason was involved then thank god was an example of that. and so i don't think it's hopeless. i don't think it the notion of war didn't prevent them from exchanging trevor read what's absent. and the question really is, is there is a political will in the united states. i don't think that set trevor home was particularly controversial. it was, and you know, going back to, to my release, you know, to you as neuron have not had diplomatic relations from 40 to your life. and we've done multiple exchanges with them or to my knowledge diplomatic relations between

the us and russia. are still are you have the last was in this conversation, but we will come back to where i'm sure jason and jonathan danielle and for you on you. cheap supporting brittany griner. we appreciate you being part of today shout, thanks for watching. i see you next time take ah ah ah, you're watching out, is there a live from london where all eyes on this building in central london, where the fate of u. k. prime minister boris johnson is being decided,

members of hicks, conservative party have been taking part in a confidence vote in their leader and were expecting the result of that vote. very soon. johnson needs a 180 votes to win the motion. if he loses the ballot, there will be an immediate leadership contest and the u. k. will have a new prime minister within weeks, but even if he wins. many believe it will simply be the beginning of the end. for johnson's tenure as prime minister will jonah hall joins us live from westminster in london. jonah, what are we seeing now? what, what is coming up for boys chunks in the next few minutes? while i have reports that inside the house of commons, that inside committee room 14 with graham grady will very shortly make the announcement of the result of this vote of no confidence journalists have been allowed in 40 of them. there are a throng of them still outside trying to get in everybody, of course, once

a ringside seat to this announcement. the big question, of course, is whether boris johnson exceeds $180.00 well gets $180.00 that 50 percent plus one vote in support. that would deliver him majority of course, he really needs a much, much stronger majority than that. if he's to have any chance of sustaining useful government going forward, his team, people close to him, reported to saying they believe having spoken to people who have voted and come out with a secret ballot. of course, they believe that he has won. they was a general consensus going into this that he would with the key question is by how much. and there seems to have been a change of tone in the last hour also, while those folks have been counted as people have spoken to one another, m p. 's coming out to casting their ballot. the tone has changed much more down the notes coming out of the johnson camp. yes, they believe they.