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a russian court where her pre trial detention was extended by another month. and that rolling came days after the u. s. state department said greiner had been wrongfully detained. our colleagues, the a j plus put together this, explain a video ah, [000:00:00;00] with your panel today know an awful lot about us hostage taken in crisis situations. danielle, jason and jonathan, welcome back to the stream. i'm gonna get you to tell our audience who you are,

what you do, danielle, you go fast. welcome. thank you so much for having me. i'm a professor of military and strategic studies at the u. s. air force academy. and i'm here because all of my research is about kidnapping by non 8 groups and hostage taking by jason. you have unique expertise in our conversation today. remind our audience who you are, what you think. welcome back to the stream. thanks for having me. back to me, i appreciate i'm jason reside, i'm on this for the wash in both. previously, i was the bureau chief in tehran until i was taken hostage by the islamic republic and held wrongfully detained for 544 days. get to have you back and i know that jonathan, welcome to the string. please introduce yourself to our audience. tell them who you are, what you do. it. thanks for having me. i'm jonathan frank. so i'm a crisis management consultant by trade and back in probably about 2014. i started working on wrongful tension cases and most recently worked on the case with trevor reed, who was released in late april ally in

a prisoner exchange. absolutely audience. we have so much expertise right here for you. if you want to talk to any of our panel, you want to ask them questions. you can do so by you, you put your comments, your questions into the comment section. be part of today's show. that phrase, wrongfully depend. what happened behind the scenes? danielle, you can help us get study festival for brittany griner to not be just detained in russia, but for the us, take the pop thing and she is wrong for me. detained. what happened? thanks for the question. and i'll just note that i'm here today in my personal capacity. so i'm not speaking on behalf of the us government. so a couple of years ago us congress passed the law that essentially help us figure out what to do when an america is arrested abroad. and there's something that goes wrong in this case. so americans are arrested overseas all the time. but the united states government is not always going to intervene in those cases to do something about it. but every once in a while want to be case,

it comes along where the us government says there is something illegitimate, unjustified about this. iraq. whether that, that the united states government thinks that the person was arrested to be hostage . we don't think that they were actually guilty of the crime. they committed or simply whether the u. s. government thinks that there is a question about whether or not the criminal justice system in that countries handle cases, the foreigners fairly. so once the state department makes determination that an arrest is not an arrest abroad, but a wrongful or unlawful pretension that case is transferred from one of the state department to another. so that person goes from the purview of the consular affairs bureau, whose responsibilities would simply be to visit that person in prison. make sure that they're being treated fairly and transfer their case to the office of the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs daniel once. so miss civilians point

of view because i don't want to tell me everything it takes to do this. i was we will be at the end of the show from a civilians point of view from a previous point of view. i my point of view, this is a game changer. is it jonathan? if you're not in, you go ahead, jump in please. i don't want to say there was a game changer, but i was pleased to see brittany get designated prior to a you know, trial court ruling in trevor's case. he wasn't designated to read that. it wasn't, does he get it until the day was convicted? so, and i think the hallmarks of arbitrary detention existed early on in the case, and as the i see them to, and in brittany's case i was pleased that they did this. and i hope that they continue, you know, intervening in these cases a little earlier as opposed to waiting for sham, judicial processes to produce outcomes face and got some thoughts on youtube. all right, i'm going to share them with her as a lot of support from. but in his hometown he stand, i know so a couple of comments here at regarding president bond,

he needs to do as much as possible as soon as possible. jason, look, i think that we have to remember that it's not president biden's for the brittany griner is being wrongfully detained by russia, held hostage by russia, however you want to term it. but ultimately, it is going to be president biden's responsibility to make the decision to, to, to do whatever he has to, to secure her release. and oftentimes in these cases, the things that have to happen, whether it's a prisoner swap, the releasing of some assets, the lifting of a sanction, or some other concession. it's on the u. s. president to make that decision. and you know, i happened in my case. i was released alongside or cloudy, who john was, was, was assisting as well. it's happened in other cases. we can't assume that ultimately, the russian government, with iranian government or any other government takes hostages, is, is suddenly going to do the right thing. so it's incumbent on whoever the u. s.

president is to, to get involved. if we want to see the safe and speedy return of americans, it's just a fact. you just got the filtration that u. s. government in right now as being handy to pump sandwich. explain, well look it's, it's not, it's not a good situation to be in because ultimately, you know, you're, you're forced to make a decision that in some ways is bending the rules. but we have to acknowledge that the rules were completely broken when, when the offending government took an american hostage. so it, you know, ultimately it's never going to be a, you know, an easy fix to bring an american held hostage home. but the, the point that, that i make, and i know jonathan makes it regularly as well. these are popular decisions to make bringing americans who were wrongfully held hostage abroad home is good for any politician. and as we saw in the release tra,

read republicans did not come out and say anything against president biden or the democrats for doing this. and i think that that's really important thing for us to acknowledge. this is not a, a bipartisan issue. it's a non partisan issue. this is an american issue, and not only an american issue, it's an issue for democracies around the world. if we don't get this figured out, this is going to happen more and more and more. and we see that happening right now . let me see, we're out. well, let prepay cut the thing. yeah, absolutely. i want to show us what russia has been saying about britney going as well, but you got fest, daniel, then let me go back to russia's take on the situation. sure, i was just going to say that i john and jason were expressing that this really pit to interest of the united states government directly against each other. this is the president of the united states, the united states government that cared a lot about what's happening in russia and ukraine wants to oppose what russia

doing. the crane is opposed to the unlawful detention of american pride, but at the same time wants to get american home. and so that's a really difficult decision for the united states government to be. and we also think about what that means for the united states public. we tend to see less attention from the american public for these kinds of cases. then we would from other countries around the world, americans, they're not known for protesting and taking the $34.00 cases of hostages, or i'm awful, detentions and not, not necessarily the case. and a lot of our allies, and so we might, even if it's popular for the united states president to work on these cases and bring someone home, it's not the same kind of thing that we would be in there around the world. i want to bring in the voice of a journalist cord, tamarind sprill. i'm just going to show you the sort of things that she's been sharing online. and she says, this is a new phase in the brittany greiner. change or petition is under way that w. m. b,

a has partnered with me and change into model that i like to officials, work urge to gain, be g swift and safe release. let me show you the petition here and the story about the petition and then here is the petition. and then this is what cameron finch was just a few hours ago. haven't listen, have a look at this jonathan, and then come immediately of the back because i am being treated to what you still the media attention can do. his tamrin. by far, the biggest challenge to advocating for brittany gardner's release was doing it alone as a freelance journalist and ultimately a concerned citizen who was just operating from the seat of my soul on the sense of moral conviction. because i read and learned from other people's accounts of surviving detention and foreign countries, that visibility matters. i was so grateful when the w and the players association got on board. and from them the, you know,

the signatures of grown and the stories become bigger. it's staying in the news cycle, which is what we want and i'm hopeful that it will lead to something good. well, you know, i find that it is very important to have media attention and also to have an organizing tool which is really what changes. right. and i do think that it helps in these cases, when there is, there is a cohesive message, right? sort of and that reminds us who the detainee is, right? because the professor is absolutely right. americans don't react anymore by going to the streets. you know, it's very different here in some countries. so i was thrilled to c w n b join this because i kinda wondered what was taking so long for the w n. b a to kind of come out and join because to me i've seen, i mean brittany's been there 109 days and i've seen this is fairly critical from the 1st day that, you know,

it was announced and it would have been good to see that kind of messaging, you know, outfront from the w b i a journalist don't have. ready to can i jump in and add something to, to what, what jonathan to say, jason, you are doing it right now. go ahead, aren't good so, so, you know, i think one thing that we have to remember is that u. s. government is not going to start talking about these cases publicly without the permission of the family or an employer is not going to start talking about these cases without the permission of the family. any media organization that is doing it is due diligence. well, not really report widely on these cases without the consent and permission of the family. so we have to acknowledge that that's part of the challenge in any one of these cases. i'm here jason, if i, if i'm a let's, let's hear from cheryl greiner,

who is certainly green as partner and wife. and she spoke last week on a major breakfast show in the united states. and i wonder if again, with the reclassification of what brittany granite is perceived to be by the state department and her family coming out that feels to me like that is those 2 things going tandem? so he is sure, well let her know she's not forgot it. mike. obviously you know who you syndrome with area code 2. i mean he had me coming to your rescue. yeah. i know it makes her feel good. she didn't want to be forgot. she certainly has not been forgotten. she was never forgotten. i think that there's obviously going to be some reluctance on the part of a family on a part of a, a massive international organization like the n b a and a w n. b,

a to speak our forcefully about these things and i'm glad that they finally made the decision to do that. i was at game one of the n b a finals last week in san francisco mission or adam silver. unprompted spoke about brittany and i think that all of this is helpful to the person in captivity. one, it provides a level of moral support and strength to know that people are talking about you publicly. but it also ensures that the hostage takers are likely to treat the person better than they would if this was being done in science. so i want to go back t you danielle, because the last time we had you on the stream, we were asking questions like this. have a look here on my laptop. brittany gwinnett has been a bandage by the m b. a staff could help her the most, and then i dug around on your twitter feed. we said i found lebron james. we need to come together and help do whatever we possibly can to win

b g. how quickly and safely got there and a little bit more found. we are b g hash tag, we are p g and then also carmelo anthony, this is from gina. second, i believe this is what camilla said. i am carmelo anthony. i want to take this out to bring up our friend brittany griner. 105 days has been 100 or 5 days since brittney grant has been wrongfully detained in russia. she is a w, n b, a player and olympian, a teammate of sister, a daughter, a wife. she is a human and she needs to come home. and now, few weeks ago we were not saying this at all. now we are what's happening and how effective is it? i love seeing this back again. i'm so glad that we're seeing it, and i think that it, it appears to me to be a coordinated campaign. right. it means that brittany griner, family, her employer, her teammates her and, and her us olympics and, and be a family,

is all coming together to make the point at quite publicly. and just playstation with bang, you know, i, i've never been in that situation. i've never been in prison in a foreign country, jason has, but i can imagine how much comfort and competence it would give you to know that people back home are advocating for your quick and a return. we know that that greiner is receiving emails and mail and that she knows what's happening outside of her case. and i could imagine that this is a huge competence. it's also at this really important moment in the n b, a finals, a really great opportunity to get that kind of attention that's going to put pressure on the white house to say, totally focused on this case. i have so many questions for you. guess i'm going to ask you to make this speed round instant question instant. so way to do this quickly. audience a really came to speak to you. so ricardo paul says, i pray that they are treating her well. jonathan, what do you know about women's detention centers?

in russia, i think you could assume that they are much different in harsher conditions than you would find in the united states. but also probably not in, i know, you know, everyone saw what trouble read described is probably not quite that bad, although it is, you know, she's not in a good place. all right, some more from you. i'm going to put this one to you, jason. is there a risk of raising misquote his profile there by making it difficult to achieve her? really, i have always argued that, that raising the profile does not make it more difficult because ultimately you're raising the profile. so that the u. s. government acts, russia knows exactly who they took. they know exactly why they took her. i think that we do her a great disservice by muting efforts to call for this. here's a question here, and i know you did a new to this. i just wondering if you give us a little bit more detail. i, i'm not understanding,

didn't she actually break the law? this isn't political. another question, didn't she have illegal drugs on her personal luggage? if yes, aren't those drugs spanned in russia? so k, people are saying, hold on a minute, she's arrested, isn't she in trouble? she's not a hostage daniel quickly. and 1st of all, we don't actually know if she had any drugs in her luggage. we don't trust claims about why russia invaded ukraine. why would we trust their asked me about the system when they claim that an american athlete had drugs in there. i just don't see why we should trust that, but even if she did, which i'm not, bang, she did. the united states government still doesn't trust that american citizens, especially a black l, g b t q. american citizen would be treated. they are lee and given a fair shake by the criminal justice system. and so that's why the u. s. government wants to get involved in bringing her home. jonathan guy, if i could just jump in right, one of the where you're showing the video. now if you,

if they could rewind it to where the dog is looking at the rush driver, you have no idea what you're asking us to do by revising the video jonathan white with a single out they single bag, because dog alerted, i've watched the video, hundreds of times much the russians have invented a telepathic dog. dog did not alert. right. and, you know, having lives to try to read case, right. in that case, the russians made up in a cell phone, a police officer that probably didn't take place. right. and this proven by the allegation is just proven by video evidence. so where are the drugs, right? where's the learning? yeah, right we, we cannot discount the fact that the russian government is a prone to reenact videos like this and be also prone to completely fabricate charges. and one more thing that i want to take, because i think it's essential. this happened more than 3 months ago. the incident supposedly happened during a routine border crossing into russia. why would it take for months to do an

investigation? i mean, there's absolutely no reason for us to accept that this is a valid judicial investigation. i'm just looking i was going to bring this in a little bit earlier, but now just get a time as any. i'm just wondering about the russian take. so made 13th, a statement was given to an international news network. this is what russian authorities said that britney was caught red handed while trying to smuggle, hash oil in russia. this is a crime. and then they say that it's a criminal code of the russian federation and she faces a prison term of up to 10 years. and the attempts by the state department cast out the validity of the detention of b. greiner explained solely by the desire to influence justice by politicizing, a generally understandable situation, that is, the russian authorities take on this ho fire for michael. i know you all want to let me jump in on this,

but this is what they are saying. they're not here to for rebuttal and i and i hear that you're saying no categorically, this is wrong. but i also want to bring in an additional idea for a strategy. i'm going to put this to you. this is what kimberly told us earlier. jason, have a listen and then respond. this is the time with about him ministration. he says, are thinking about how far is it willing to go to get her beliefs, particularly after the research links? have trevor read? said the last 2 high profile americans of russia. custody or brittany greiner? paul, we lead. so the next approach beyond diplomatic pressure is probably thinking about further prisoner exchanges between russia and the united states. i have no problem with prisoner exchanges. i was released in one, it's not something that we should be forced into, but until we come up with effective deterrents for hostage taking by states. this is going to continue to happen. and you know, the u. s. government job is to,

to bring people home as quickly and safely as possible. i think for me so many of those similar things were said about me. mean obviously the charges against me were different. i was accused of being a spy for the u. s. government. and iranian authorities repeated those claims over and over again. never produced any evidence. and by the way, i didn't have an opportunity to defend myself in any public setting. brittany greiner isn't we haven't been able to hear from breaking ground for over a 110 days. i mean, this is, this is ludicrous. and so, you know, if it takes doing a swap to, to bring her home i'm sure that there are, there are a russian citizens who are nearing the end of long prison sentences that probably fit the bill. well if i mean, i don't, i think the next trade the next deal is pretty clear. right. the russians have been pretty clear about it's been a national priority of their since 2016. they've been sent

a member of their legit human rights commissioner here. whom use the loud back in 2016 that these 2 russian people would eventually be traded for americans. and that's what actually took place. they went out and kidnapped to veterans to do this . so to me, the move is, is to make a, a deal for, for greiner and whelan, in exchange for one of the russians that is currently in cost. i'm bringing one more voice. tennis is almost stating the obvious, but we haven't mentioned this yet. and this is the circumstances with which way in right now the united states is in right now with russia. so even during normal times normal in an air quotes, it would be a difficult conversation to have. but currently, russia is invading ukraine. so this is professor stole with an added thought. my concern is that with the war in ukraine, neither g states, some are russia, want to do anything,

it seems like compromised. and the net result may be that she goes to personally. so people said that a lot to me in the months leading up to travel originally. so the war with the way till after the war. right. there is a long history of diplomatic engagement in the worst of times. right. and i would say that the, the release that jason was involved then. thank god, what was an example of that? and so i don't think it's hopeless. i don't think it the notion of war didn't prevent them from exchanging trevor read what's absent. and the question really is, is that the political will and the united states? i don't think that trevor homeless particularly controversial. it was. and you know, going back to, to my release, you know, the u. s. in iran have not had diplomatic relations for 42 years. and we've done multiple exchanges with them or to my knowledge diplomatic relations between the us

and russia. are still act. you have the last was in those conversation, but we will come back to a, i'm sure jason and jonathan danielle and see you on you cheap supporting. but he greiner, we appreciate you being part of the day shy. thanks for watching. actually next time take. ah. african narrative from african perspective now, but now we are about his big daily my shift, a short documentary by african filmmakers from democratic republic of congo. and one that there was never going to be letting an obstacle just stand in front of you. you ladies,

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