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days after the u. s. state department said greiner had been wrongfully detained. i colleagues the a j plus put together this, explain a viet ah, a with your panel today know an awful lot about us hostage taken in crisis situations. danielle, jason and jonathan. welcome back to the stream. i'm gonna get you to tell our audience who you are, what you do, danielle, you go fast. welcome. thank you so much for having me. i'm a professor of military and strategic studies at the u. s. air force academy. and

i'm here because all of my research is about kidnapping by non 8 groups and hostage taking by jason. you have unique expertise in our conversation today. remind our audience who you are, what you do. welcome back to the stream. thanks for having me. back to me, i appreciate i'm jason reside, i'm on this for the wash in both. previously, i was the bureau chief in tehran until i was taken hostage by the islamic republic and held wrongfully detained for 544 days. get to have you back and i that jonathan, welcome to the string. please introduce yourself to our audience. tell them who you are. what you do. thanks for having me. i'm jonathan franks. i'm a crisis management consultant by trade and back in probably about 2014. i started working on wrongful tension cases and most recently worked on the case with trevor reed, who was released in late april ally in a prisoner exchange. absolutely audience. we have so much expertise right here for you. if you want to talk to any of our panel,

you want to ask them questions you can do so by you, you put your comments, your questions into the comment section. be part of today's show. that phrase wrongfully depend. what happened behind the scenes? danielle, you can help us get study festival for brittany griner to not be detained in russia, but for the us, take the pop thing and she is wrong for me. detained. what happened? thanks for the question. and i'll just note that i'm here today in my personal capacity. so i'm not speaking on behalf of the us government. so a couple of years ago us congress passed the law that essentially help us figure out what to do when an america is arrested abroad. and there's something that goes wrong in this case. so americans are arrested overseas all the time. but the united states government is not always going to intervene in those cases to do something about it. but every once in a while want to be case, it comes along where the us government says there is something illegitimate, unjustified about this iraq. whether back that the united states government thinks

that the person was arrested to be hostage. we don't think that they were actually guilty of the crime. they committed or simply whether the u. s. government thinks that there is a question about whether or not the criminal justice system in that countries handle cases, the foreigners fairly. so once the state department makes determination that an arrest is not an arrest abroad, but a wrongful or unlawful pretension that case is transferred from one of the state department to another. so that person goes from the purview of the consular affairs bureau, whose responsibilities would simply be to visit that person in prison. make sure that they're being treated fairly and transfer their case to the office of the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs daniel once. so mister villians point of view, because i don't want to tell me everything it takes to do this. i was, we will be at the end of the show from a civilians point of view from

a previous point of view. i my point of view, this is a game changer. is it jonathan? if you're not in, you go ahead, jump in please. i don't want to say there was a game changer, but i was pleased to see brittany get designated prior to a you know, trial court ruling in trevor's case. he wasn't designated to read that. it wasn't, doesn't get it until the day was convicted. so, and i think the hallmarks of arbitrary detention existed early on in the case, and as the i see them to, and in brittany's case i was pleased that they did this. and i hope that they continue, you know, intervening in these cases a little earlier as opposed to waiting for sham, judicial processes to produce outcomes face and got some thoughts on youtube. all right, i'm going to share them with her as a lot of support from. but in his hometown he stand, i know so a couple of comments here at regarding president bond, he needs to do as much as possible as soon as possible. jason, look, i think that we have to remember that it's not president biden's for the brittany

griner is being wrongfully detained by russia, held hostage by russia, however you want to term it. but ultimately, it is going to be president biden's responsibility to make the decision to, to, to do whatever he has to, to secure her release. and oftentimes in these cases, the things that have to happen, whether it's a prisoner swap, the releasing of some assets, the lifting of a sanction, or some other concession. it's on the u. s. president to make that decision. and you know, i happened in my case. i was released alongside or cloudy, who john was, was, was assisting as well. it's happened in other cases. we can't assume that ultimately, the russian government, with iranian government or any other government takes hostages, is, is suddenly going to do the right thing. so it's incumbent on whoever the u. s. president is to, to get involved. if we want to see the safe and speedy return of americans,

it's just a fact. you just got the filtration that with u. s. government is in right now as being handy to put sandwich explain. well look it's, it's not, it's not a good situation to be in because ultimately, you know, you're, you're forced to make a decision that in some ways is bending the rules. but we have to acknowledge that the rules were completely broken when, when the offending government took an american hostage. so it, you know, ultimately it's never going to be a, you know, an easy fix to bring an american held hostage home. but the, the point that, that i make, and i know jonathan makes it regularly as well. these are popular decisions to make bringing americans who were wrongfully held hostage abroad home is good for any politician. and as we saw in the release tra, read republicans did not come out and say anything against president biden or the

democrats for doing this. and i think that that's really important thing for us to acknowledge. this is not a, a bipartisan issue. it's a non partisan issue. this is an american issue, and not only an american issue, it's a issue for democracies around the world. if we don't get this figured out, this is going to happen more and more and more. and we see that happening right now . let me see, we're out. well, let prepay, i think. yeah, absolutely. i want to show us what russia has been saying about britney going as well, but you got fest, daniel, then let me go back to russia's take on the situation. sure, i was just going to say that i john and jason were expressing that this really pit 2 interests of the united states government directly against each other. this is the president of the united states and united states government that cared a lot about what's happening in russia and ukraine wants to oppose, but russia, ukraine is opposed to the unlawful detention of american pride. but at the same time wants to get american home. and so that's

a really difficult decision for the united states government to be. and we also think about what that means for the united states public. we tend to see less attention from the american public for these kinds of cases. then we would from other countries around the world, americans are not known for protesting and taking the $34.00 cases of hostages, or i'm awful, detentions and not, not necessarily the case. and a lot of our allies, and so we might, even if it's popular for the united states president to work on these cases and bring someone home, it's not the same kind of thing that we would see in the world. i want to bring in a voice of a journalist cord, tamarind sprill. i'm just going to show you the sort of things that she's been sharing online. and she says, this is a new phase in the brittany griner changed or, or petition is under way that w m. b a has partnered with me and change into model that are like to officials, work, urge to gain,

be g swift and safe release. let me show you the petition here. and the story about the petition, and then here is the petition. and then this is what cameron finch was just a few hours ago. have a nice to have a look at this jonathan, and then come immediately of the back because i am intrigued as to what you feel the media attention can do. his time. by far, the biggest challenge to advocating for brittany gardner's release was doing it alone. as a freelance journalist and ultimately a concerned citizen who was just operating from the seat of my soul on the sense of moral conviction. because i read and learned from other people's accounts of surviving detention and foreign countries. that visibility matters. i was so grateful when the w and the players association got on board and from them the, you know, the signatures of grown and the stories become bigger. it's staying in the news cycle, which is what we want. and i'm hopeful that it will lead to something good. well,

you know, i find that it is very important to have media attention and also to have an organizing tool which is really what changes. right. and i do think that it helps in these cases, when there is, there is a cohesive message, right? sort of and that reminds us who the detainee is, right? because the professor is absolutely right. americans don't react anymore by going to the streets. you know, it's very different here in some countries. so i was thrilled to c w and join this because i kind of wondered what was taking so long for the w n. b a to kind of come out in join, because to me i've seen, i mean brittany's been there 109 days and i've seen this is fairly critical from the 1st day that, you know, it was announced and it would have been good to see that kind of messaging, you know, outfront from the us a journalist don't have to can i jump in and add something to, to what,

what jonathan to say jason, you are doing it right now. go ahead, aren't good so, so, you know, i think one thing that we have to remember is that u. s. government is not going to start talking about these cases publicly without the permission of the family or an employer is not going to start talking about these cases without the permission of the family. any media organization that is doing it is due diligence. well, not really report widely on these cases without the consent and permission of the family. so we have to acknowledge that that's part of the challenge in any one of these cases. hello, i'm here jason. if i, if i'm a, let's, let's hear from cheryl griner who is germany green as partner and wife. and she spoke last week on a major breakfast show in the united states. and i wonder if again,

with the reclassification of what brittany granite is perceived to be by the state department and her family coming out that feels to me like that is those 2 things going tandem? so he is sure, well let's her know she's not forgot it. mike. obviously you know who you send them the barrier cut you having it coming to your rescue. yeah. i know that it makes her feel good. she doesn't want to be forgot it. she certainly has not been forgotten, she was never forgotten. i think that there's obviously going to be some reluctance on the part of a family on a part of a, a massive international organization like the n b a and w n. b, a to speak out forcefully about these things and i'm glad that they finally made the decision to do that. i was at game one of the n b a finals last week in san

francisco mission or adam silver. unprompted spoke about brittany and i think that all of this is helpful to the person in captivity. one, it, it provides a level of moral support and strength to know that people are talking about you publicly. but it also ensures that the hostage takers are likely to treat the person better than they would if this was being done in science. so i want to go back t you, danielle, because the last time we had you on the stream, we were asking questions like this. have a look here on my laptop. brittany griner has been a bandage by the m b, a staff who could help her. the most and then i dug around on your twitter feed. we said i found lebron james. we need to come together and help do whatever we possibly can to win b g, and quickly and safely dr. add a little bit more found. we are b, g hash tag, we are b, g and then also carmelo anthony, this is from jean,

the 2nd i believe this is what camille, i said, i am carmelo anthony. i want to take this out to bring up our friend brittany griner. 105 days has been 105 days since brittany grant has been wrongfully detained in russia. she is a w, n b, a player and olympian, a teammate, a sister, a daughter, a wife. she is a human and she needs to come home. the now few weeks ago we were not saying this at all. now we are what's happening and how effective is it? i love seeing this back again. i'm so glad that we're seeing it, and i think that it, it appears to me to be a coordinated campaign. right. it means that britney griner family, her employer, her teammates, her and, and her us olympics and, and be a family, is all coming together to make the point at quite publicly. and jeff playstation was saying, you know, i,

i've never been in that situation. i've never been in prison in a foreign country, jason has, but i can imagine how much comfort and competence it would give you to know that people back home are advocating for your quick and a return. we know that that greiner is receiving emails and mail and that she knows what's happening outside of her case. and i could imagine that this is a huge competence. it's also at this really important moment in the n b, a finals, a really great opportunity to get that kind of attention that's going to put pressure on the white house to say, totally focused on this case. i have so many questions for you. guess i'm going to ask you to make this the speed round instant question instant. sorry to do this quickly. audi it's a really keen to speak to you. so ricardo paul says, i pray that they are treating her well. jonathan, what you know about women's detention centers? in russia, i think you can assume that they are much different in harsher conditions than you

would find in the united states. but also probably not it, i know, you know, everyone saw what trevor described is. probably not quite that bad, although it is, you know, she's not in a good place. all right, some more from you chance. i'm gonna put this one to you, jason. is there a risky of raising miss green as profile there by making it difficult to achieve her release? i have always argued that, that raising the profile does not make it more difficult, because ultimately you're raising the profile so that the u. s. government acts, russia knows exactly who they took. they know exactly why they took her. i think that we do her a great disservice by muting efforts to call for girls. here's a question, hannah and daniel, you did a loot this. i just wanted you to give us a little bit more detail. i get, i'm not understanding, didn't she actually break the law? this isn't political. another question, didn't she have illegal drugs on her personal luggage?

if yes, aren't those drugs binding russia? so k people are saying, hold on a minute, she's arrested, isn't she in trouble? she's not a hostage. danielle quickly. and 1st of all, we don't actually know if she had any drugs in her luggage. we don't trust claims about why russia invaded ukraine. why would we trust their asked me about the system when they claim that an american athlete had drugs in there? i just don't see why we should trust that. but even if she did, which i'm not, bang, she did, the united states government still doesn't trust that american citizens, especially a black l, g b t q. american citizen would be treated. they are lee and given a fair shake by the criminal justice system. and so that's why the u. s. government wants to get involved in bringing her home. jonathan guy, if i could just jump in right, one of the where you're showing the video now, if you, if they could rewind it to where the dog is looking at the rush driver, you have no idea what you're asking us to do by revising the video jonathan,

watch with a single out the single bag, because dog alerted, i've watched the video hundreds of times much the russians have invented a telepathic dog. dog did not alert. right. and, you know, having lives to try to read case. right. and in that case, the russians made up in a cell phone, a police officer that probably didn't take place. right. and this proven by the allegation is just proven by video evidence. so where are the drugs, right? where's the learning? yeah, right we, we cannot discount the fact that the russian government is a prone to reenact videos like this and be also prone to completely fabricate charges. and one more thing that i want to thank you. i think it's essential. this happened more than 3 months ago. the incident supposedly happened during a routine border crossing into russia. why would it take for months to do an investigation? i mean, there's absolutely no reason for us to accept that this is

a valid judicial investigation. i'm just looking, i was going to bring this in a little bit earlier, but now just get a time as any. i'm just wondering about the russian take. so maybe 13th a statement was given to an international news network. this is what russian authorities said that britney was caught red handed while trying to smuggle, hash oil in russia. this is a crime. and then they say that it's a criminal code of the russian federation. and she faces a prison term of up to 10 years. and the attempts by the state department cast out the validity of the tension of b. greiner, i explained solely by the desire to influence justice by politicizing, a generally understandable situation that is, the russian authorities take on this ho fire for michael. i know you all want to let me jump in on this, but this is what they are saying. they're not here to for rebuttal and i, and i hear that you're saying no categorically, this is wrong. but i also want to bring in an additional idea for

a strategy. i'm going to put this to you. this is what kimberly told us earlier. jason, have a listen and then respond. this is the time when the bottom ministration. nieces are thinking about how far is it willing to go to get her belief, particularly after the return links of trevor read. so the last 2 high profile americans of russia, custody are brittany grant on paul. we would. so the next approach beyond diplomatic pressure is probably thinking about further prisoner exchanges between russia and the united states. i have no problem with preserve exchanges. i was released in one. it's not something that we should be forced into, but until we come up with effective deterrent for taking by states. this is going to continue to happen. and you know, the us government job is to bring people home as quickly and safely as possible. i think for me, so many of those similar things were said about me. i mean,

obviously the charges against me were different. i would accuse the being a spy for the us government. and iranian authorities repeated those claims over and over again. never produced any evidence. and by the way, i didn't have an opportunity to defend myself in any public setting. brittany greiner, we haven't been able to hear from brittany grant for over a 110 days. i mean this is, this is lucas. and so if it takes doing a swap to bear home, i'm sure that there are, there are russian citizens who are nearing the end of long prison sentences from the book. well if i mean, i don't, i think the next trade the next deal is pretty clear. right. the russians have been pretty clear about it's been a national priority of their since 2016. they've been sent a member of their legit human rights commissioner here. whom use the loud back in 2016 that these 2 russian people would eventually be traded for americans. and

that's what actually took place. they went out and kidnapped to veterans to do this . so to me, the move is, is to make a, a deal for, for greiner and whalen, in exchange for one of the russians that is currently in cost. i'm gonna bring in one more voice. tennis is almost stating the obvious, but we haven't mentioned this yet. and this is the circumstances with which way in right now of the united states is in right now with russia. so even during normal times normal in an air quotes, it would be a difficult conversation to have. but currently, russia is invading ukraine. so this is professor stole with an added thought. my concern is that with the war in ukraine, neither of states, some are russia, want to do anything, it seems like compromised. and the net result may be that she goes to personally.

so people said that a lot to me in the months leading up to travel originally. so is the war we have to wait till after the war. right. there is a long history of diplomatic engagement in the worst of times. right. and i would say that the, the release that jason was involved then thank god was an example of that. and so i don't think it's hopeless. i don't think it the notion of war didn't prevent them from exchanging trevor read what's absent. and the question really is, is there is the political will in the united states? i don't think that said trevor home was particularly controversial. it was, and you know, going back to, to my release, you know, the u. s. in iran have not had diplomatic relations for 42 years and we've done multiple exchanges with them or to my knowledge, diplomatic relations between the us and russia are still act. you have the last was in this conversation, but we will come back to a, i'm sure jason and jonathan danielle and see you on you cheap supporting. but he

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