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i shooting them off and just ah, we'll just wait for you. oh hi. uh for me. okay, to dale the stream out. salvatore is now in the 3rd month of a state of exception. that's a package of emergency laws aimed at tackling gang violence. but while the government believes it is bringing gangs on to control human rights group,

say innocent people being targeted by police. we look at how the state of exception is changing el salvador. ah, helping us unpack the current state of the state of exception. we have tamara, daniel tits yano, so good to have all of you here on the stream. tamara, please introduce yourself. tell audience who you are, what you do. hello, thank you for having me. my name is dan. i that are you guys the america acting director at human rights watch. danielle, great to have you on the screen. please introduce yourself to our stream audience. hi, i'm done. you know, but i'm going. i'm an independent journalist of salvatore. heritage. it's a happy anteriano. welcome to the stream. please introduce yourself. tie international audience. good to see again for me. thanks for having me and good company with going to them tomorrow. i'm about central america, analyst, that international crisis. all right, looking forward to your analysis. all right, do you have analysis? you have questions, comments for a line up?

you're very welcome to be part of today's show. put your thoughts into the comment section and then join the discussion. daniel, i'm just looking at a few out there as headlines from earlier this year from spring time in the northern hemisphere. i'm looking at our salvador, declare state of emergency off the gang killings that was in march and then more recently sewed and gang coming spurs, fear uncertainty in el salvador. one more headline i'll salvador extend state of emergency and made gang crackdown. you have been reporting on gangs in el salvador for so many years. did you know that once the president has said it, we are going to go to war with gaggs? we are cracking down that this was inevitable. this was going to happen. yes, because president naval kelly has always pursued a militaristic plan. he one time storm congress and february 2020. when he 1st started as president, he stormed congress, asking for them to, you know,

increase the military budget because he has always wanted to sort of use the gang war as an excuse to militarize the country. and you know, the game wars that knew it didn't start with naples as been many presidents before him. i've tried to tackle this problem and have also tried to do a gang war, so he's not doing anything quite original. it's part of the southern politics gangs . and violence are fortunate part of life, and salvador is a big issue, but the way he is going about it is causing a lot of concern. a lot of human rights abuses are being alleged. and yeah, it's, it is, it is concerning for a lot of us who are salvadorans, we have family back and soccer. we are trans national people. and so what happens in chicago are as a direct effect out here because you know, that's a lot of the migration waves have been because of this gang violence for decades. tissue. and i'm just wondering if he could summarize some of these emergency

measures that have been in place temporarily since march. well, thanks. i mean, i'm actually, i mean if i can just jump in on. daniel's comment. i think definitely the law enforcement beat of the security policy, which wasn't trained in the plan that was really never known to the public, which is called the return control plan was an important one. but it is actually true. and i think we should recognize that there's also part of this of these policy, which is based on community intervention, the building of so called cubes, which are basically laser centers for to be space for the young through emerging allies communities to train, to learn, to play and so there's been a double face that the government has been using in the world. and you are doing the to the fact that in parallel as investigation, as we basically in 2020, to steal already ad warned, or that this could be,

are going. and then in the fall, found out with more evidence they work on their station with the gang going on to make a shake, basically de reduction on the sides. and that's actually what led apparently to this spike in killings in march with $87.00 people killed in a span of a 3 day when the average was like one or 2 per day. and which led to the government to respond with this clamp down, which includes as we're asking the, the temporary attentions time from $72.00 to be extended from 72 hours to 15 days, the suspension of the law, right? legal defense basically to the freedom of assembly and was accompanied also by legal reforms to increase the sentences for belonging to just belonging to gangs and sent trying underage people as adults and introducing also sort of

a gag low against the me. any media who spread any so love gang originated message we create on site i at tamara, i'm just looking at the the twitter feed of el presidente and that says present. typically i'm using google translate. so if this doesn't quite translating you speak spanish. apologies for that, but this is what the president was saying, just a few months ago. message to the gangs, because of your actions now your home boys won't be able to see a ray of sunshine. i am wondering this impact of cracking down on the gangs having emergency message emergency laws. what has that done to the people of el salvador, other now safer than they were a few months ago? what i would say is that violence brings more violence. and what we're seeing with this state of emergency and the way it's b lamented, is that the government has use these excessive laws. i would add, you know,

talked about under age. we have here and now laws that allow authorities to go after kids as young as 20 years old, which is an important details. but when implementing these laws, what the authorities have done is detain more than 30000 b. know they just retain them on the streets and their houses. they took them arbitrarily arresting them, you know, in many cases showing and the evidence that they had to, to you know, that is clearly not the basis of a thorough criminal investigation. so you really don't know who they are. rounding up and research together with local group shows that they are rounding up innocent people. they're being arbitrarily detained. they're being subjected to short term detention that amount to short term enforce disappearances because the last time they are seen it when they are taken by authorities and then you see mothers

sisters waiting, trying to get information about the whereabouts of their loved ones outside detention centers. and they deny the whereabouts and then the other very, very difficult issue that we've been documenting is depths and custody. people who get to prospect that is with fines being beaten, coming from areas where they were subject to government authorities like prison. and then they die in very delicate circumstances. so now what we're seeing is an abusive implementation of the laws that pcn was talking about in clear violation of human rights times adorns. what do i have to say? and this is something we do need to talk about that despite of what we have been saying, look, and it remains tremendously popular. ah, that's interesting. as ranges, like, what is it? let me get to town if i may. so i'm just gonna jump in just for a moment because i want to show our audience scenes of what it is like some of the

families outside of detention centers. so i'm gonna bring in elizabeth and fia, and they can tell their own stories, have a listen, have a look, you know awful painful because i don't sleep and i don't eat knowing that my son is suffering. look, they are making a mess in here. they don't say anything, they don't say anything on television. they don't publish anything in the newspapers. yesterday, when i came, we saw a guy released from prison. his forehead was all beaten and most arguable. here we sleep, lying on the floor, suffering for our family. we love my husband and we want to have him in our house. we don't want him to be suffering. we suffer, and he suffers. and you can see that line of fossils just standing outside a detention safe. as of waiting on a, we spoke to michael paba, his assistant petite professor of political science at the virginia commonwealth university. and this is what he told us about this detention center. and then i'll

galant itsyana. come right back into the conversation. his michael locking up tens of thousands of low level and often imaginary criminals gives the illusion of law and order and is popular with the public. but actually, all this does is it oversteps the prisons which were already at 240 percent assay. and controlled by the gas is only strengthens the gangs and least more gang violence. which in turn justifies the governments have you had that approach in a vicious circle of decreasing security and increasing authoritarianism? the civic national isabel salvador has improbably estimate. number of people tied to gangs to be 500000. which effectively means that any young man in all solid or is subject to indiscriminate arrest to seneca ahead precisely. well, i think my micro raise their good, very good points. and also, i think it is very concerning to look at the increasing amount of that's in jails.

because they're a direct product of this massive estimation when you double up the prison population, just imagine 2 percent of the little probably the population in 7 are, is helping locked up is not locked up. so one, every 50 people basically. and if you mix up as you tonight, i was rightly mentioning people. we know membership basically home a relationship with gang. so just on the suspicion that they might be with gangs, you mix up them with active members. current one because many of them are being rounded up, it must not be ruled out. and former gang members, people who are desist it as left the ganga life even years ago. some of them are raising their ta twos or crossing them, which is basically death sentence on their next by the same former peers of the gangs. and you put them in the st jails. we don't know if in the same cells because

they information going in jails are becoming a black box not only for relatives for overall. ready national and international agencies trying to look at these issue well, the risk that you know, this creates, you know, and sparks mutinies or targeted killings is enormous. can you, what can you tell us about your conditions in imprison detention centers now? so el salvador is you know, a product of us intervention since the civil war us intervention us politics has shaped oh, server server is the country after united states with the most incarcerated population. and it just makes no sense in terms of solving the actual issue. i also think it's important to talk about the rhetoric that he is, you know, said he's calling these innocent kids. a lot of them are kids terrorists. he said this is the head of congress. and that's to go through has called this gay war and

all out fight against terror. so he's using the very devices of language, but dr. point on the jails. they're very and he may conditions. president kelly has gone on twitter, bragging about the fact that he is rationally and, or limiting their food, you know, who knows what goes on there in terms of like, you know, he could be starving people. there have been, that's already in these jails since the gang sweep, and it's really sad because the average salvador and would rather people die in jail that they think are, you know, these bogeyman, these bad people, if it mean to keep the homicide rate down. so some people think it's a great tradeoff, but you know, he's very much, you know, playing with the fact that he has a big propaganda machine. to basically criminalize these people without any due process and, and the public imagination is calling the terrorists it may fit, you know, bragging that more than 25000 terrorists have been captured at that point. and it's, it's like what terrorists doesn't really describe anything. it's sort of just

a very loaded term, especially some of these people haven't even committed crimes. other than being, you know, poor working class. i think a big re, a big thing is also that he's talking. he is going for the poor working class families, racialized people, and also people who may not have someone that can build them out as you saw those mothers and, and why, you know, outside jails. i'll try to get there. members, you know, they don't have any other recourse but to go outside and protest and that's what i'm trying to do. i think just an important point to compliment what you're saying . and i completely agree is, you know, let's take a step back and look at what is happening in childhood are and what has happened over the past couple of years since? because it's not a coincidence that we're talking about the president and his daughter account because he's been governing through twitter. and, you know, he's been able to do that because he's also this man at an alarming speed and

democratic institutions and the country. you know, we were earlier talking about that incident in which he went with the military into the 70, but then with the majority in the assembly, he's been able to adopt laws replace the attorney general mess hundreds of lower court judges and prosecutors. and he's doing the work of independent journalists and human rights defenders much harsher and much riskier palmer. so you were mentioning that tweet, talking about homeboys treats about us about an ice large quantity homeboys. right . and you know, i don't live in a sun bed or there are very brave people doing work saying enormous challenges living there every day i come i, i want to put a couple of things to you and left. the castro is the president of our salvador, the legislative legislative assembly. he believes that this state

of emergency that al salvador is in right now is going very well that companies that have a look or to let, let the, the godaddy 8 of every 10 selma dorians approve of the state of emergency. and we can say 8 of every 10 salvadorans perceived, the improvement insecurity within their communities. after the insecurity provoked by the gangs, by those terrors grew pulling the ice. they sat in st. louis that tamara is going well according to the government. look, i think that's what i was mentioning at the beginning when i was saying, like i really thought it was offering, it's extremely, he's extremely popular and to deal with that. and it just makes, you know, the work of highlighting the problems that affects people who are suffering these policies much more important, right? that's the whole point of democracy. is like, you know, you will have certain limits that you can't trespass,

regardless of what the majority says. and you know, i would ask, you know, let's go and take those 8 people and ask them a question after they took away their child and have then it's been and that person has been locked up in. and it's an innocent person, right? so, you know, we need to talk about people and it doesn't matter if it's one or 2 or hundreds, which is the case in sandwich or, you know, we are receiving hundreds of cases of people who name their loved ones, who are, you know, arbitrarily did okay. don't not want to do what he does. what is going on here? itsyana tissue and i want to show you something on my laptop. this is the presence official website. am because we did reach out to the presidents office to official sources to see if they would come on the program lead. we got a no and no response. but let me show you here under the category of security. what the information is that they're sharing with the public 2 months of the emergency

regime authorities, a captain more than 5000 women linked to gangs, salvadorans perceived, a dropping klein off the execution of the territorial control plan. and the exception regime, wargames gangs carried out by the government exceeds $37000.00 captured salvatore and feel safe thanks to the measures implemented by the government, dismantle criminal structures. and so it goes on lots of positive news about these emergency message itsyana. the government is failing. one thing you danielle tomorrow, tell me some completely different. why? well, i wouldn't say that it's totally different in the sense that i recognize it's undeniable . i think that the pressure that the government is putting on gangs as made them go into these array. basically, a lot of gang members are fleeing the country. a lot of king members have actually been apprehended and all of gang members are hiding in the mountains in the reverse,

even in the sewers. some people from local communities told us this is olivia eating. somehow they live in some communities where of course subjected to extortion, entered the persistent threat of gangs. the problem that we see is that this is temporary, and of course there's being also a lack of response violent response. if you want from gangs at the moment and with may seeing the least amount, the record it amount of and how many sites in the countries, recent history over the last 3 decades, there's a cavity up there that we would like to raise that, which is that gang members or let's get members dying in shootouts with the police are not being counting counted anymore into decimal, which is next really concerning in terms of transparency and trying to, to keep track of the, of the all figures. but if we sum up the gang member members died in english,

shootouts and the only sides reported we arrived to around 30 homicides in one month. remember that this country was used to add them like 330 on the side in one day. how many years ago. so there is some, some achievement in that regard and this is translate into the public's perception . the problem with that is that this is on the temporary and as we are displaying and flagging, this is going to affect more and more people in just way. and that's something that is just on justifiable. ok. so earlier we spoke to jennifer, who want to share the phone with us. and then daniel, i'm going to come to you because we have questions on youtube. and i want you to also very swiftly, if you're able to, his jennifer government is using the commonality to arbitrarily indefinitely to team does not hundreds of individual, mostly young matt, which is causing harm and damage to communities already affected by violence and

instability. it is putting human rights defenders, mostly women at risk, as it is the human rights defenders and women are holding digital outside attention centers seeking information about to change loved one and demanding due process. this is causing a repairable damage, and harm is increasing fear and increasing violence. it is not producing peace and security. daniel, i'm going to find some new chief comments that, you know as quickly as you can. i've, she says, what are the benefits of these new laws? you can be honest. go ahead, daniel, go ahead. it's hard to know what the benefits are. these new laws because president kelly is not being transparent. he's not transparent with this whole big coin law where he's trying to justify the country for tech grows. he hasn't been transparent about the gang problem because he hasn't even extradited. you know, gang members at the u. s. have have labeled actual terrorists. so it's really hard to, to, you know, it's really hard to take their word for and to really, you know,

we'll see the long term effects to come when we study what's actually going on. but it's hard to tell. this might be related to because one of us wants you to talk about how much has klein been reduced? itsyana kind of touched on this. they seem to be few homicides than they were a few months ago. daniel. i mean, just like you said, the transparency thing, you know, they're not counting certain types of crimes at the police commits this is, you know, the police have all kinds of immunity. we don't know what kind of crimes their committee do. they're obviously committed human rights abuses in these jails, but it's, it, we, we can't just take the government's word on it. they don't even give interviews to the press. and as you all reached out, they didn't, they didn't respond kindly to that. so i, yeah it's, it's almost a wait and see like, you know, the official narrative is one thing, but still salvadorans will live with the consequences for years to come. i want to go to one more voice and bring erica into the conversation because what she points

to is. so what should be the policy to address gang violence in el salvador. this is who erika has to say. and then guess i'd like you're very swift response. his erica in june, 2019, a few weeks after he took office. i personally men when the press to them. okay. he commended to bring human rights to the sent and of he's all these 3 years later he has broke and he's promised with the excuse of punishing guy remember bracey them. bouquet lis administration is created a perfect storm without addressing the root causes of violence. marginalized communities are now is stuck between the file is created by creamy now gas on the human rights abuses committed by the old stories. we are calling of precedents, who can, is call them in to a stop human rights violations until address. i can bring him c policy security

policy that protect the human rights of people. you know, salvador, if you have a suggestion of what that policy should look like, tips yana. in a sentence, what would it be for el salvador rehabilitation or integration and you have dozens, i mean, at least thousands, if possibly dozens of thousands of gang members were being jail. and we've been in, you know, in and out, gangs for years and that really want to leave the can life and the, but they're not given an, any possibility. the, there's no rehabilitation law for the government. they will always remain a gang member and their, their pass will home them back for the rest of their lives. this is not going to so the gang issued but just actually created the country ethics or pushing these people one out, back into the gang. you know, great. alright. the new, i mean the last 30 seconds of the show assumption whose families full mouth salvador, what would your family want in a sentence?

your children is all about the children, like they need program social programs. so they don't go down this path, but it's all going towards military. it's all going towards big point. the children are sort of missing now, and they're the future of those salvador and they're being targeted as 12 year old . daniel kids yano, tamara, youtube calming tests. thanks for being part of today's show. appreciate you. ah, to cross the wells. young activists and organizers are on the move in, you know, what i heard. in the 1st of a new seems to people in new york city, use different tools and means to fight institutional racism and police brutality. this is indeed a nation wide problem. network wires,

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