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a philistine ah a . hi, anthony ok. today on the screen, we look into the new kids on the block chain, an f t's these unique digital assets can be treated as aunt. they could known fungible tokens, treated as ought to be the future of the oh,

well that is what we're gonna dig into a little bit deeper with on a conversation with tight own last month in may alone. there was over $2500000000.00 in total volume traded just on the theory block chain for an, a t's and out about the vast majority of those sales work. we're a profile hytcher style and have to use like the word yacht club or crypto punks. these profile picture style images have really become art for the internet generation or millennials and johns even really grew up online. now in addition to that, a lot of people are also interested in getting into these on our team because they feel like they're buying into a subculture that resonates with them. there's this whole conversation of, of a digital culture at a similar to video game culture. and there's also this sense of buying into an exclusive membership community. so certain act collections offer certain exclusive benefits. and then lastly, or were some of the most expensive collections. the rich and famous are buying into

these collections as purely digital status symbols. oh, so much to talk about the future, the n f t market and its impact on the art. well, if you're new to right now, you can be part of that conversation, put your comments, your thoughts right here and be part of today's show. let us meet our panel of experts as a nancy tony, tony ben, really good to see you. i'm gonna get you to introduce yourself, try stream audience or snatching welcome, please say hello to our audience around the world. i thank you. thank you for having me. as soon as she only lagos nigeria, good artists get to have a tony. nice to see you, please introduce yourself to how it is around the well tell them who you are and what you do also also thank you. thank you for having me. really is theme and i am a still life photographer and the host of them. oh, very glad to be here. i'll get to have you and hello van, welcome to the stream. say hello to our viewers around the world. tell him who you

are, what you day. hello there, i'm my name ben david, and i'm an art critic. the national are, are new and i'm in new york. all right, so guess every question is for all of you, but i know you're gonna come from different perspectives. tony, let me start with the idea of an f t. art. you are an artist who uses an f t art in trade, whether people buy you and if not, what does that mean? how is it different from a more traditional approach of selling photographs, for instance? yes, so a great question for me personally, i think you know, we have to move in times and and, and sees are none. fundable to tolkien's is a way of recording something on the block to write and given ordinance to something . and i see it as just a different medium, or i'm a digital, i'm a digital artist. i do photography, i do still like photography and it's no different from if i were to rent my photos

onto a metal rent or printed on paper or print it on canvas. what and as he does is a gives this particular photo you can. so it's a someone as an etc. yeah. same way you would walk in. so gallery and pick up a piece. and then you can easily upload those keys into a digital screen or just keep it in your nf c wallet, right? so is just a different way of trading art. i think again, they're going to be technology that will come and go well and if these are here to state, who are benito mind blowing of nuclear? you've got used to this idea, but when was the 1st time somebody said an f t ought to you? and what was your genuine unfiltered reaction go by until your reaction is that much money for a j peg. i mean, i was really blown away. i think i 1st really started paying attention to this, like a lot of people last year. when $69000000.00 was paid at christie's auction,

who are a j peg by r t a in the united states named people. and i think that made him the 3rd biggest artist of all kinds, their big living artist. and it's very hard to have to pay attention to that, i mean, and the money in their money got us and gold, gold rush. and, and i think that that brought a lot of people into the space and i just never seen anything like that kind of conversation that touched up were good or bad or not young. i'm just looking on my laptop of a picture from your website of you working with you. explain how you work. and then also when people say, and if t r is a j peg, can you tell them why don't miss thank good. i quit my arts digitally and i use microsoft word to do that. um, and of course,

by using microsoft word is digital. he's born digital and done, i have tried to look for opportunities as a traditional art stays on to see the art galleries did of course tick when my work all caught me with my work out there. but that, that like i happen, the only thing that i got out close to m a representation in their traditional arts . there's lots in market, there's not a gallery. yeah. and taken on my work when made limited edition trains to sell to collect. so she wanted to buy, but then an axis came and changed out altogether. how, how, how, how you were successful digitally. then if somebody could physically take some of your beautiful art and put it on their wall, how is this version of your heart most accessible then in real life, art. i think, as i said this, the artist identity says is like the perfect least for me to fly for me. she,

for me to do my thing on in terms socrates in my, are physically, there are questions, are on provenance, there are questions about when a sheet. there are other questions that, that, that arise. and for most people with these makes the artwork that has been produced unless valuable. right. and that is what the block chin brought about that change that, that so far in revolution, where as it be, so artists out pin with my work on the block chain and people will get to collect it. this very energies are more valuable than the fiscal are trends because of course days, programs rise. there's, there's through when a sheep, as you had a detail that he needed, they're included in the block chain regarding the actual balance. putting a lot of faith into the digital world up aren't, is often criticized anyway for being far too expensive. expensive and it's too expensive, but this way of trading and leaving route on. do you see that it's

a bad way. it but i mean, i don't know. i'm going to go to san antonio and then come back to us a 90 minute. ok. my brains out are ready with bang venue south, and i better for something i think that it works for some things and i wish people talked a little bit more about some of the drawback. one thing i'd say about nazi is that he's unique, you know, i think we talk about how common that experience is because we're talking about the future of our and sometimes people talk about the stories, but they don't talk about either they acted, solved all the problems with the market when, if you look at the, if you look at the actual statistic, the digital blocks seen, they are market is actually more unequal than the traditional art market. a smaller number of collectors throw around more weight and a smaller number of art. if there's a vessel relative to all of that, but i think it's important to keep that in the picture because sometime in

particularly in a gold rush, we only talked about the success stories. people are up in their lives, investing their, their, their college education funds in, in, in digital, digital artwork. because they think they've got some kind of gotten ticket. and actually right now we're in the middle of it a little bit of a pullback. if you're really interested to know from the 2 of you who are artist to follow, you know, there's been a big crypto crash. how that affected the digital art, the new blocking based argument from your point of view, tony. ok, so here's what a lot of people feel to understand. we have to start to look at and etc as this technology that allows you to do certain things. and one of the certain things that the technology allows you to do is offer are right. like with ours, and i want to go back to what a snotty has said before, and it's easily be hard for him to get into galleries or even get his work. notice there are a lot of stories like that in the, in the space. the i hear a date and a t's have given artist that ordinarily would not have a voice. oh,

i heard of artist that had had a doors shut in their faces, galleries literally shut a door in somebody's face. and this person is like literally growing up a base of collectors and without an f t, this probably would not have been a thing, right? so we have to look at the technology and we have to look at the fact that these entities can be used for art. but again, when we look into the n a t space, they're also being used for other things. they're being used for things like membership. they're being used for things like culture, like you said, what the board 8 yahoo club is more of a culture. i don't think. i don't look at ward 8th yahoo! up as ours, per se. i look at it as a, as a culture, as a member to, to a community. right? and you know, this is what the technology is. this is what entities are doing. so we cannot learn the lines. brian, we look at energy, we need to learn to separate these lines that it's, it's technology that is being used for different things. and when an audience is, are, aren't. so i am going to bring in an artist, hey i,

i know what the sante says, his name is patchy laura, calm me. he is a very well known japanese artist, he what soon? traditional art methods and platforms. and then he also has some n f t dish to art. i haven't listened to him how he explains what is going on and how comic so expensive him? yes. ali she naughty jesus saw these in the basement jap. it so, but right now whole, you know, when you watching to the open sea, the marker you find out to the how much that varies or maybe like, louis the price is a $4.00. he said something like that. done mean like overall, how much is or maybe over $10000.00. so very expensive. so that the can you imagine to the contemporary art painting isa

looks like that are price. but why if the j dieter, he's very expensive, very mysterious. it makes me laugh cuz he has no idea why people are paying so much money for his n f t. art on you cheve. i've got some really interesting comments for you. i'm gonna throw them out to you very quickly. asa nazi co, how it says it. seems like an f t's are making art more accessible to everyone and at the same town time allowing artists to reach more people with their art a snotty. that's exactly what you set. yes. that, that's correct. um, like for example, i see child grown up in either i which is in se nigeria. i know little once into an i've downloaded rights and i was 1st introduced to the computer by my father in traditionally intended before i was able to go to an art gallery to see a sure at the university. so you see that if we had an estes,

then you should of course it wasn't too on arts actually noise, even before i won't have the what surely teeth are the privilege to enter into a fiscal axis. so someone can collect an inequity. and, but everybody can see it, so it brings about a set of democratization in the way that people enjoy. art are so close to what is up to level in the traditional art space where someone can collect it because so i looked it up in revolt and all the people can get to see it. i'm going to go back to you chief class has that? yes, you got that he got suspended. no, i just want to say, i mean i hear that a lot that they did that it opening it up but then but then tony just said that it's actually all about exclusive club. you know, that no worries about getting like with what i'm saying and you can't do it without it so that, well, what i'm seeing is, is the technology itself, the n f t technology was used, the none, fungible token can be used for different things. you can, i mean,

i have an entity that allows me to get into sporting events. so we have to understand that this technology can be used for different things. it's like saying ok, i have a car, but i can only drive to somewhere, you know, in love with the los angeles. no, i can go different places with this car. so we have to start looking at inner sees as this tool. this technology that allows you to do different things. we're going to have a situation in the near future where if you want to go to a concert, you might need to prove that you have the entity as a ticket to enter that concert. yeah, yeah, and i knew that that's the opposite of what not you would think which is about that it was a coming from then he's coming from the person is, i mean here, tony, let us imagine tell him the perspective with up to why we're looking at the tool loosely rosul hockey, that's even terms of the various categories are kind of says that there are, there are a collectibles that i have the ones that people prefer. she referred to as crystal

arts, right. which is what i believe that i me so you can look up my artwork. i need for the veto. that was maybe just really you think you study surely made for someone coming from a traditional art space. my on my outside of course i q to you, i suppose she cannot afford it, which is instructed, collectively do so collectible. so our collective goes trip to are they could have some utility attached to them, like she just mentioned inside massage, which is a digital word. i knew you were supposed to require that for the us. i'm not sure it was not before we we delve into the matter verse which doesn't exist quite yet, but maybe we'll do in the future. some thoughts here unique view says i would miss the texture, the colors of a real piece of art. so are we looking at these digital assets as this is something we're really saving? i don't go and look at my chairs and study them and i, oh,

i see them. you've put them away. is it? no art that's meant to be enjoyed. it is. that is meant to be enjoy and they were in there. so i don't know if i'm supposed to be enjoying it or not. because i don't, you know, i don't want to go check out my want in that room looks now they also not gene lovely things about their, my digital one. it has never going to happen. ben, thoughts? well, i think what he said right now is the technology that can be used for a lot of different things. so you could technically bella painting with people are doing that. they phillips actually has, i think i've got a car and you get an etc with it. i mean, it doesn't. and so i don't think you have any time with. yeah, i think that. and then the other thing is the, i mean like people have been credible really are, you know, the american people's been video again. so i think you might miss the pin, but you might get back something out. all right, so let me move on just

a little bit because we got so many questions for you. i want to get in as many as possible, but i'm going to go via denisha mendez, who is a professor of intellectual property and innovation law. and her predictions for where this digital art trend is going to take us he, she is in a blue bear coping is relatively easy. it can be quite difficult to find the true, an authentic version of a work, however easy to can, has your artwork. as in an empty, he will receive a digital certificate of ownership representing the personal digital asset. and most importantly, it or the traceable on the production, which is there for everyone to see. it has the potential to do away with stay caught in terms of the future. even if it is, i believe it is here to say it will go through the hive cycle back into the center . and with the emerging movers, it will surely expand any true guess i'm saying comments on you achieve about scanning and hacking. so this is ox and f t space is definitely played by scans and

hackers. just like any other industry. i think education and staying truth interacting with artist. she love is the key there. ah scamming and hacking a snatch. if he been scammed out, if he been hat because it is possible to buy an n f t piece of art and fee to put it in your wallet and someone else take that, that's in the pockets. if we're shoot, this is where people are. while it's, i've been hard on, so i collected my artwork, i think 3 years ago, i'm just a few months back, a few weeks back and walked back up to about was stolen from their wallets and resold in the market. so it happens is much like what is happening in the traditional art space where beefs of course as, as, as seller and stolen in the l t. yeah, yeah, got less g. so what it comes with, like, are the community then shut you out to get yourself as

a collect. so you have to take some precautions. a lot of people collect their energies now and they had was settled while it just call and float. i'm be of course, which id is one or 2 tharpe's dad to how to pronounce. so these are measures that people are taking. and i was just looking at this in new york times, headline of theft, some fools and lawsuits at the wells biggest and f t market place. i'm just going to go to that market place now because i believe county is on it. it's a little bit like a bay for nf taste this. this is tony's open sea site here. has anyone tried to still your arts or stoning it for somebody that you sold it to as i, as i happened to yet tony being hacked or scammed. i have not really hacked this garam, but fortunately for me, i do educate as well. so a lot of my collectors on because i do have a high pass where educated by in it sees one of the topics that i cover. oh lot is

be careful not to get scan till fortunately for me, none of my collectors are me personally have been scam. it can happen or no one's perfect. i could just say one single click of a link, but i'm also very your final one quick link from my mom. but i don't whether, you know, i have never, i mean, even before entities. i've always been here because we used to get those dishing emails where they'll to laugh log in to your bank account on something something happened. so i knew oh, from then not to buy yes, i've never been scammed, but another thing i wanted to mention of you said earlier about looking at energies in your wallet. so here's the thing. um, we have digital screens where you could display your innocence, right? i how collectors of my inner teeth that lay your entities in their homes like you would do an art lease like a regular art heat. so yeah, yeah, i mean that's happening. so yeah, i don't think it just gets stuck in your wallet. this one is kind of put that out

there, but notes i make sense. oh, yeah, that makes sense. let me just say, hey, this is john felipe who he spoke to just a little bit earlier. and, and he was really that, that warning voice about the problems that can happen when you buy an f t r o in you trying to sell and f t ot his young feet in a traditional art markets, intermediaries like galleries and auction houses will vets the creators on behalf of the buyer, and then we'll provide buyers with guarantees. you don't have these guarantees in and then if the market, so that's a 1st risk as secondary skis. how to store defy that. you are actually buying when you buy an and if you get a transaction receipt that's pointing to a file. but you need to know how to store that file securely in a decentralized cloud. otherwise it could be stolen or replaced. if you do not want to do all these research yourself, you can always buy in. estes from reputable intermediaries that are getting into

the space. so part of the appeal, i know the artist is that they don't have to go through the traditional route of getting that sold. it will not get sold on they get money for that as well, which you normally don't get so bad. if this going to put people who have traditional roles and well out of business, can f t r. do that, can we see a revelation a revolution in the world? is that possible? well, if possible, i mean, and i think, you know, the, on the call it seems a lot of people live. what i, what i worry about is that there's the rhetoric that over getting read the middle man and, and we don't do anything. and you see on the clip, you just played the guys talking about the role that middle then play it like helping you navigate spaces that are full of games and so on. and there's the idea that we can go without experts and just but that you know, the bad stuff that people are seeing the, the fact that it would scam that you,

that there's a lot of wash treated, meaning people buying art from themselves to make it seem like real going all of what i was asking about that is inflating their places on purpose. who are let me go buy a lot of that. that's why you know, that the doesn't, the block people prevent like there's, it's a technical solution to the problem of trust. but in the end, the technology doesn't totally solve this problem and acting like it does leave people open grid. yeah, i, i'm not, i'm here looking at your crypto on my laptop. i'm going to ask you an indelicate question. but what is the most anyone has ever paid for your crypto art? humble brack. go ahead. i must get an idea how it is going to brag. i gotta write it or 100000. 0,

not again, but then i like to say, and this is very important. done early also. yeah. say that it is important for us to pay attention to the arts. and bill is a patient of money that we're talking about and it stays. yes. people like ben got interested in the space because of the amount of money to the space. but that is important. i mean, when people talk about and they think about entities, when our media houses talk about these that are 22 crypto forms, like we have on the screen behind you on collectables or business call. lots of things that for example, my style, my kind of art that appeals to a whole lot more people than maybe i could do, would appear to them. and i'd like to make a point about a middle man in the end of this phase. we're not get to read up middle man. i can, i feel in the space that you have to like yeah, i'm just saying you have to last worse and you can still do that. you're thing. and

you're not getting rid of the middle man. i i see a snotty tony. we have had so many of us have complimented your outlet. you have fans out there, and then as well, thank you so much for being part of the shy and really appreciate it. take everybody, i will see you next. ah ah and i'll just erase correspondence. bring you the latest developments on the war in ukraine. we had to take cover. this is what's happening on

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