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and f t's these unique digital assets can be traded as aunt, so could known fungible tokens traded as ought to be the future of the art. well, that is what we can dig into a little bit deeper. we saw a conversation with kate o. last month in may alone. there was over $2500000000.00 in total volume traded just on the theory and block chain for an, a t's and out about the vast majority of those sales work. we're a profile hytcher style and i tease like the worried yacht club or crypto parks. these pro val picture style images. how really become art for the internet generation or millennials and jonesy really grew up online. now in addition to that, a lot of people are also interested in getting into these on our tv because they feel like they're buying into a subculture that resonates with them. there's this whole conversation of, of a digital culture at a similar to video game culture. and there's also this sense of buying into an exclusive membership community. so certain outside collections offer certain
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exclusive benefits. and then lastly, or were some of the most expensive collections. the rich and famous are buying into these collections as purely digital status symbols. oh, so much to talk about the future, the n f t market and its impact on the art. well, if you're new to right now, you can be part of our conversation, put your comments, your thoughts right here and be part of today's show. let us meet our panel of experts as a nancy tony, tony ben, really good to see. i'm gonna get you to introduce yourself, try stream audience as a natural, welcome please say hello to our audience around the world. i thank you. thank you for having me. as soon as she only lagos nigeria, crypto artist get to having tony nice se, please introduce yourself to how it is around the well tell them who you are and what you do also also thank you. thank you for having me really is 20 themes and i am a still life photographer in the host of in very glad to be here. are good
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to have you and hello van. welcome to the stream. say hello to our viewers around the world. tell them who you are, what you d n o there. i'm my name ben david, and i'm an art critic, the national architect or net news, and i'm in new york. all right, so guess every question is for all of you, but i know you're gonna come from different perspectives. tony, let me start with the idea of an f t. art. you are an artist who uses an f t art and trade with it people by you. and if not, what does that mean? how is it different from a more traditional approach as selling protocols, for instance? yes, so a great question for me personally, i think you know, we have to move it times and and, and it sees are none. fundable to tolkien's is a way of recording something on the block to write and given ordinance to something . and i see it as just a different medium, or i'm a digital, i'm
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a digital artist. i do photography, i do still like photography and it's no different from if i were to rent my photos onto a metal friend or print it on paper or print it on canvas. what and as he does is a gives this particular photo. he didn't sell it to someone as an etc. yeah. same way you would walk in, so galleria pick up a piece. and then you can easily upload this peas into a digital screen or just keep it in your and se while it right. so is just a different way of trading art. i think again, they're going to be technology that will come in go. and if you are here to state, who are benito mind blowing up? you've got, you've got used to this idea, but when was the 1st time somebody said an f t ought to you? and what was your genuine unfiltered reaction go? by until your reaction is that much money for j peg. i mean,
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i was really blown away. i think i 1st really started paying attention to this, like a lot of people last year when $59000000.00 was paid at auction, who are a j pay by already in the united states, people. and i think that made him the 3rd biggest of all kinds. they're big living artist and it's very hard to pay attention to that. i mean, and the money in their money got, you know, it's gold, gold rush. and, and i think that that's brought a lot of people in the space and i just never seen anything like that kind of conversation. touched up. we're good for bed up tonight young. i'm just looking on my laptop of a picture from your website of you working. would you explain how you work? and then also when people say, and if t r is a j peg. can you tell them why miss?
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thank good. i quit my arts digitally and i use microsoft word to do that. um and of course by using microsoft word is digital is born digital, and i have tried to look for fortunately, traditional art stays on to see the art galleries did. of course sick when my work, call me with my work out there, but that that never happened. the only thing that i got out close to a representation in their traditional art is lost in market is not that gallery. yeah. and taken on my work, where and age limits early shop trains to sell to collect. so she wanted to buy by then and a key skim and changed out altogether. how, how, how, how will you more successful digitally then if somebody could physically take some of your beautiful art and put it on their wall, how is this version of your art most accessible then in real life? art?
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i think as i said this, the artist identity says slide the perfect lives for me to fly for me. she, for me to do my thing in terms socrates and my are physically there are questions are on provenance, there are questions about when she, there are other questions that that back arise. and for most people with these makes the artwork that has been produced, less valuable. right. and that is what the block chain brought about that change that, that said, oh fun revolution where as it be, so artists, our pin with my work on the block chain and people get to collect it. this very energies are more valuable than the fiscal trains. because of course, there's programs right? there's, there's through when a sheep, as you had a detail that he needed, they're included in the block chin regarding the actual balance. putting a lot of faith into the digital world up aren't,
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is often criticized anyway for being far too expensive. expensive, and it's too expensive. but this way of trading and leaving around od. do you see that it's a bad way? it but i mean, i don't know, i'm going to go to san antonio and then come back as a 90 minute. ok. my brains out are ready with venues up there. i better for something. i think that it works for some things and i wish people talked a little bit more about some of the drawback. one thing i'd say, but with the nazi is that he's unique, you know, i think we talk about how common that experience because we're talking about the future of our and sometimes people talk about stories, but they don't talk about either they act like it solved all the problems with the market when, if you look at that, if you look at the actual statistics, the digital block chain base our market is actually more unequal than the traditional art market. a smaller number of collectors throw around more weight and
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a smaller number of art if there's a vessel relative to all of them. but i think it's important to keep that in the picture because sometime in particularly in a gold rush, we only talk about the success stories. cuz people are up ending their lives, investing their, their, their college education funds in, in, in digital, digital artwork. because they think they've got some kind of gotten ticket and actually right now we're in the middle of it a little bit of a pullback. if you're really interested to know from the 2 of you who are artist to follow. you know, there's been a big crypto crash. how that affected the digital art speak, the new blocking based art be from your point of view, tony. ok, so here's what a lot of people feel to understand. we have to start to look at and etc. as this technology that allows you to do certain things and one of the certain things that the technology allows you to do is offer are right. like with ours. and i want to go back to what a snotty just said before, and it's easily be hard for him to get into galleries or even get his work. notice
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there are a lot of stories like that in the, in the space the, i hear it date. and as he's have given art is that ordinarily would not have a voice. oh, i heard of artist that had had a door shut in their faces, galleries literally shut a door in somebody's face. and this person is like literally growing up a base of collectors and without an f t, this probably would not have been a thing. right. so we have to look at those is knology and we have to look at the fact that these entities can be used for art. but again, when we look into the n a t space, they're also being used for other things. they're being used for things like membership. they're being used for things like culture, like you said, what the board 8 yahoo club is more of a culture. i don't think. i don't look at ward 8th yahoo! up as ours, per se. i look at it as a, as a culture, as a member to, to a community. right? and you know, this is what the technology is. this is what entities are doing. so we cannot learn the lines. brian, when we look at entity,
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we need to learn to separate these lines. it's, it's technology that is being used for different things. and when an audience is, are, all right, so i am going to bring in an artist, hey i, i know what the sante says, his name is patchy laura, calm me. he is a very well known japanese artist, he what seems traditional all methods and platforms. and then he also has some n f t dish to art. i haven't listened to him how he explains what is going on and how come it's so expensive. amy's only snotty jesus, so he's in the basement j. p. so but right now whole, you know, you and you watching to the open. see the marker you find out to the how much the baris, or maybe like louis the price is a $4.00. he said something that, that doesn't mean like obama, how much is, or maybe over $10000.00. so very
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expensive. so, but the journey, imagine to the contemporary art painting ease, looks like that our price. but why if the j dida, he's very expensive, very serious. it makes me laugh because he has no idea why people paying so much money for his n f t. art on you cheve. i've got some really interesting comments for you. i'm gonna throw them out to you very quickly are. so nancy co, how it says it seems like an f t's are making art more accessible to everyone and at the same town time allowing artists to reach more people with there are a snotty that's exactly what is that? yes. that that's correct. yeah, excellent sample i see child growing up in our which is in se nigeria, i know little once into an art daniel, her rights. and i was 1st introduced to the computer by made filing,
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traditionally intended, before i was able to go to an art gallery to see a sure at the university. so you see that if we had an estes, then you should. of course, it wasn't too on ours actually noise, even before our have the what chile teeth are the privilege to enter into a fiscal axis. so and so mac are collect and etc, but everybody can see it. so it brings about a set of democratization in the way that people enjoy art are so close to what is up to level in the traditional art space where someone can collect it because so i looked it up in a vote and all the people can get to see it, i'm going to go back to you cheese cloud. has that? yes. you got that you got that's been go ahead. no, i just want to say, i mean i hear that a lot that they did that opening it up. but then, but then tony just said that it's actually all about exclusive glove. you know that no worries about getting like with up what i'm saying is you can't get into it
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without it so that, well, what i'm seeing is, is the technology itself, the n f t technology, which is a non refundable token, can be used for different things you can, i mean, i have an entity that allows me to get into sporting events. so we have to understand that this technology can be used for different things. it's like saying ok, i have a car, but i can only drive to somewhere, you know, in love with the los angeles. no, i can go different places with this car. so we have to start looking at inner sees as this tool. this technology that allows you to do different things. we're going to have a situation in the near future where if you want to go to a concert, you might need to prove that you have the n a c as a ticket to enter that concert. yeah, yeah, and i hear that that's the opposite of what not you would think which is about that it will be coming from ben is coming from the perspective of here, turning it on. i can tell him the perspective is a loosely rosul hockey. that's even
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terms of the various particulars are kind of says that there are, there are a collectibles that are the ones that people prefer. she referred to as crystal arts, right. which is what i believe that i lee. so you can look up my actual can you find the veto? that was maybe just really you think you study surely made for someone coming from a traditional art space. my, on my outside with, of course i came to you. i suppose she cannot afford it, which is instructed, collectively do so collectible. so our collective goes trip to are they could have some utility attached to them, like she just made sure it could inside in mesa, which is the digital word i knew you were supposed to. i need to require that i changed was magic before we. we delve into the matter verse which doesn't exist quite yet, but maybe we'll do in the future. some thoughts here, unique view says i wouldn't miss the texture, the colors of
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a real piece of art. so are we looking at these digital assets as this is something we're really saving? i don't go and look at my chairs and study them and i, oh, i see them. you've put them away. is it? no art that's meant to be enjoyed. it is that it's meant to be enjoy as they were in there. so i don't know if i'm supposed to be enjoying it or not because i don't, you know, i don't want to go check out my want and got one looks of the also not g lovely things about their, my digital. why i'm never going to happen. bend thoughts? well i think what he said right now is the technology that can be used for a lot of different things. so you could technically bella painting with an n, a. people are doing that. they phillips actually has, i think i've got a car and you get an etc with it. i mean, it doesn't. and, and so i and every time with yeah, i think that, i mean like people as credible really are, you know,
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the american people in video game. so i think you might miss the pin but you might get back. nothing out you something out. all right, so let me move on just a little bit because we got so many questions for you. i want to get in as many as possible. but i'm going to go via denisha mendez, who is a professor of intellectual property and innovation law. and her predictions for where this digital art trend is going to take us. he, she is in a room where coping is relatively easy. it can be quite difficult to find the true, an authentic version of a work. however, if you took and has your artwork as in an empty, he would receive a digital certificate of ownership representing the personal digital asset. and most importantly, it or the traceable on the production, which is there for everyone to see. it has the potential to do away with fe, caught in terms of the future when it is, i believe it is here to say it will go through the hive cycle, back into the cetera. and with the emergence of us,
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it usually expand any true guess i'm saying comments on you achieve about scanning and hacking. so this is aka n f t space is definitely played by scams and hackers. just like any other industry . i think education and staying true to interacting with artists. love is the key there. ah scamming and hacking a snatch, if he been scammed out, if he been hot because it is possible to buy an n f t piece of art and fee to put it in your wallet and someone else take that. that's where the passage ship will shoot. this is where people are while it's i've been hard on, so i collected my artwork. i think 3 years ago, i'm just a few months stark, a few weeks back and walked back up to about was stolen from their wallets and resold in the market. so it happens is much like what is happening in the traditional art space where beefs of course as a seller and stolen in the l t. yeah. yeah,
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that's not less cheap. so what it comes with, like wire the communicator and shut you out to get yourself as a collect. so you have to take some precautions. a lot of people collect their energies now and they have a 2nd while it just call them float. i'm be of course, what's id is one i tooth abs embed to how tokens. so these are measures that people are taking. and i was just looking at this in new york times, headline of theft, some fools and lawsuits at the wells biggest and f t market place. i'm just going to go to that market place now because i believe tony is on it. it's a little bit like a bay for nf teams. this, this is tony's open see site here. has anyone tried to still your arts or stoning it for somebody that you sold it to as i, as i happened to yet tony being hacked or scammed. i have not really hacked this garam, but fortunately for me, i do educate as well. so
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a lot of my collectors on because i do have a bypass where educated by in it sees one of the topics that i cover a lot is be careful not to get scan till. fortunately for me, none of my collectors are me personally have been scam. it can happen or no one's perfectly good to say one single click of a link. but i'm also very your final one quick link for my mother who i don't wanna you know, i have never, i mean, even before and it's, he's, i've always been here because we used to get those dishing emails where they'll to laugh, log in to your bank account on something, something happened. so i knew oh from then not to buy i'm yes, i'm never been scanned, but another thing i wanted to mention of you said earlier about looking at energies in your wallet. so here's the thing. um we have digital screens where you could display your innocence, right. i how collectors of my inner teeth that lay your entities in their homes
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like you would do an art lease like a regular art heat. so yeah, yeah, i mean that's happening. so yeah, i don't think it just gets stuck in your wallet. this one is kind of put that out there, but notes i make sense. oh, yeah, that makes sense. they might just say, hey, this is john felipe who he spoke to just a little bit earlier. and, and he was really that, that warning voice about the problems that can happen when you buy an f t r o in you trying to sell and f t ot his young feet in traditional art markets, intermediaries like galleries and option houses will best to creators on behalf of the buyer, and then we'll provide buyers with guarantees. you don't have any guarantees in and then a few markets. so that's a 1st risk, a 2nd re skis. how to store defy that you are actually buying when you buy in. and if you get a transaction receipt that's pointing to a file, but you need to know how to store that file securely in
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a decentralized cloud. otherwise it could be stolen or replaced. if you do not want to do all these research yourself, you can always buy entities from reputable intermediaries that are getting into the space. so part of the appeal, i know the artist is that they don't have to go through the traditional route of getting their soda. and when they get sold on, they get money for that as well, which you normally don't get so bad. is this going to put people who have traditional roles in out well out of business can and f t r. do that? can we see a revelation? a revolution in the world is not possible. well, if possible, i mean, and i think, you know, the, on the call it seems a lot of people live. what i, what i worry about is that there's the rhetoric that over getting read the middleman and we don't mean anything. and you see on the clip, you just played the guys talking about the role that middle then play it like helping you navigate spaces that are full of skin and so on. and there's the idea
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that we can go with that expert and just but that, you know, the bad stuff that people are seeing the, the, the fact that it would scan that you, that there's a lot of wash treated, meaning people buying arts from themselves to make it seem like real going all of what i was talking about, that artists inflating their places on purpose. who are let me go buy a lot of that. that's why you know that the doesn't the black people. yeah. they're like, there is a technical solution to the truck, but in the end, the technology, he totally thought the problem and acting like it does leave people open the grid. yeah, i am not here. i'm here looking at you on my laptop. i'm going to ask you an indelicate question. but what is the most anyone has as a paid for your crypto art handle? brack go ahead. i'm not getting it right. they're just going to brag. i
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know it's a 1000. 0, not again. but then i like to say, and this is very important on early also. yes, it is important for us to pay attention to the arts. and bill is a patient of money that we're talking about. yes, people like ben got interested in this space because of the amount of money to be in the space. but the important, i mean when people talk about and think about it is when our media houses talk about a 22 crypto forms like you have on the screen behind you on the collector goes on business. cool. lots of things that for example, my friend of ours, that appeals to a whole lot more people than maybe it would appear to them. and i'd like to make a point about a middle man and then at the stage where not get to read up middle,
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and then i can, i feel in the space that you have to let you know. right? yeah, i'm just saying you have to last worst you can still do your thing and you're not getting rid of the middle man. i. i hear you a snotty tony. we have had so many of us have complimented, you're out work. you have fans out there. and then as well, thank you so much for being part of the shy. you really appreciate it. take care everybody. i will see you next. ah frank assessments. it sounds like you don't expect anything to change the problem. lebanon is actually structural lebanon, needs and use social contract for it to solve this problem. in depth, analysis of the days global headlines inside story on al jazeera, abandoned, as
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