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that is what we can dig into a little bit deeper. we start conversation with tight o. last month in may alone. there was over $2500000000.00 in total volume traded just on the theory and block chain for an, a t's and out about the vast majority of those sales work or a profile hytcher style. and i tease like the great yacht club or crypto punks, these profile picture style images, how really become art for the internet generation or millennials and jonesy really grew up online. now in addition to that, a lot of people are also interested in getting into these are tease because they feel like they're buying into a subculture, they're resonates with them. there's this whole conversation of, of a digital culture at a similar to video game culture. and there's also this sense of buying into an exclusive membership community, so certain outside collections offer certain exclusive benefits. and then lastly, or were some of the most expensive collections,

the rich and famous are buying into these collections as purely digital status symbols. oh, so much to talk about the future, the n f t market and its impact on the art. well, if you're new to right now, you can the part of our conversation, put your comments, your thoughts right here and be part of today's show. let us meet our panel of experts as a nazi tony tony ben. really good to see you. i'm gonna get you to introduce yourself. try stream audience as a natural welcome please say hello to our audience around the world. i thank you. thank you for having me. as soon as she, i mean lagos, nigeria, crypto artist, get to have a tony, nice se, please introduce yourself to how it is around the well tell them who you are and what you do also also thank you. thank you for having me really is 23 and i am a still life photographer in the host of very glad to be here. are good to have you and hello van. welcome to the stream. say hello to our viewers around

the world. tell them who you are, what you d n o there. i'm my name ben david, and i'm an art critic. the national are news and i'm be in new york. all right, so guess every question is for all of you, but i know you're gonna come from different perspectives. tony, let me start with the idea of an f t. art. you are an artist who uses an f t art and trade with it. people buying anything out, what does that mean? how is it different from a more traditional approach as selling protocols, for instance? yes, so a great question for me personally, i think you know, we have to move it and, and a c's are none. fundable to tokens is a way of recording something on the block to write in given ordinance to something . and i see it as just a different medium, or i'm a digital, i'm a digital artist. i do photography,

i do still like photography and it's no different from if i were to rent my photos on to a metal friend or print it on paper or print it on canvas. what and as he does is a gives this particular photo. you can sell it to someone as an in, etc. yeah. same way you would walk in. so gallery is pick up a piece, and then you can easily upload this please into a digital screen or just keep it in your and se while it right. so is just a different way of trading art. i think again, they're going to be technology that will come in go what and if these are here to state, who are benito mind blowing up? you've got, you've got use this idea. but when was the 1st time somebody said an f t ought to you? and what was your genuine unfiltered reaction? go by unfit, your reaction to that much money for a j peg. i mean, i was really blown away. i think i 1st really started paying attention to this,

like a lot of people last year when $59000000.00 was paid at christie's auction, who are a j pay by r t a in the united states people. and i think that made him the 3rd biggest artist of all kinds, their big living artist. and it's very hard to pay attention to that. i mean, and some money in their money. got, you know, it's gold gold rush. and, and i think that that brought a lot of people in the space and i just never seen anything like that kind of conversation. that touched up were good and bad. not young. i'm just looking on my laptop of a picture from your website of you working. would you explain how you work? and then also when people say, and if t r is a j peg. can you tell them why don't i miss? thank good. i quit my arts digitally and i use microsoft word to do that.

and and of course, by using microsoft word is digital is born digital. and i have tried to look for fortunately, traditional art stays on to see the art galleries. that of course, sick when my work, call me with my work out there, but that that never happened. the only thing that i got those close to a representation in their traditional heart, there's loss in market is not that gallery. yeah. i'm thinking on my work when they limited edition trains to sell to collect. so she wanted to buy, but then an a key skim and changed out altogether. how, how, how, how will you more successful digitally than if somebody could physically take some of your beautiful art and put it on their wall? how is this version of a lot more successful than in real life art? i think, as i said this, the artist identity says is like the perfect least for me to fly on the she for me

to do my then in terms socrates in my are physically there are questions are on provenance, there are questions about when a sheet there are other questions that arise and for most people with these makes the artwork that has been produced unless valuable. right. and that is what the block chin brought about that change than that so far in revolution, where as it be, so artists out kin with my work on the block chain and people get to collect it. this very energy sees are more valuable than the fiscal are trends because of course those programs rise there's, there's room on a sheep. if you had a detail that he needed, they're included in the block chain regarding the actual balance. putting a lot of faith into the digital world aren't, is often criticized anyway for being far too expensive. expensive and it's too expensive. but this way of trading and leaving route on. do you see that it's

a bad way? it but i mean, i don't know, i'm gonna go to san antonio and then come back to us a 90 minute. ok. my brains out are ready with the main venues up there. i better for something i think that it's worth for some things and i wish people talk a little bit more about some of the drawback. one thing i'd say about the nazi is that he's unique. you know, i think we talk about how common that experience is because we're talking about the future of ours. and sometimes people talk about the stories, but they don't talk about either they act like it solved all the problems with the market. when, if you look at the, if you look at the actual patristic, the digital blocks seen, they are market is actually more unequal than the traditional art market. a smaller number of collectors throw around more weight and a smaller number of art. if there's a vessel relative to all of that,

but i think it's important to keep that in the picture because sometime in particularly in a gold rush, we only talked about the success stories cuz people are up in their lives, investing their, their, their college education funds in, in, in digital digital artwork, because they think they've got some kind of gotten ticket. and actually right now we're in the middle of it a little bit of a callback. if you're really interested to know from the 2 of you who are artist, to follow. you know, there's been a big crypto crash. how that affected the digital art speak, the new blocking based arts be from your point of view, tony. ok, so here's what a lot of people feel to understand. we have to start to look at and etc. as this technology that allows you to do certain things and one of the certain things that the technology allows you to do is offer are right. like with ours. and i want to go back to with a c, not you just said before, and it's easily will be hard for him to get into galleries or even get his work. notice there are a lot of stories like that in the, in the space the, i hear

a date and a t's have given artist that ordinarily would not have a voice. oh, i've heard of artist that has had a door shut in their faces, galleries literally shut a door in somebody's face. and this person is like literally growing up a base of collectors. and without an f d, this probably would not have been a thing. right? so we have to look at those is knology and we have to look at the fact that these entities can be used for art. but again, when we look into the n a t space, they're also being used for other things. they're being used for things like membership where it's being used for things like culture, like you said, what the board 8 ya club is more of a culture. i don't think i don't look at ward 8 yacht club as ours, per se. i look at it as a, as a culture, as a member to, to a community. right? and you know, this is what the technology is. this is what entities are doing. so we cannot learn the lines. brian, when we look at energy, we need to learn to separate these lines. it's, it's technology that is being used for different things. and when an audience is,

are, all right, so i am going to bring in an artist, hey, i know what the sante says, his name is patchy laura, calm me. he is a very well known japanese artist. he went soon traditional art methods and platforms. and then he also has some n f t digital art. i haven't listened to him how he explains what is going on and how come it's so expensive. amy's old is you know the jesus. so he's in the basement jap. it so. but right now, whole new watching to the open sea, the market you find out to the how much that varies. maybe like louis the price is a $4.00. he said something like that. done mean like overall, how much is or maybe over $10000.00. so a very expensive. so can you imagine to the contemporary art painting isa looks

like that are price. but why it is the j dieter? he's very expensive. very mysterious. it makes me laugh because he has no idea what people are paying so much money for his n f t art on you cheve. i've got some really interesting comments, but i'm gonna throw them out to you very quickly. as a nancy co, how it says it seems like an f t's are making art more accessible to everyone. and at the same town time allowing artists to reach more people with their art or snotty. that's exactly what you set. yes, that's correct on that. for example, i see child growing up in either i, which is in se nigeria, i know little ones into an art gallery rights. and i was 1st introduced to the computer by mad filing, traditionally internet. before i was able to go to an art gallery to see a sure i'd be inverse. see, so you see that if we had an attitude,

then you should of course it wasn't too on arts actually noise. even before i would have the what surely teeth are the privilege to enter into a fiscal act space so someone can collect and, and etc. but everybody can see it. so it brings about a set of democratization in the way that people enjoy art as close to what is up to level and their traditional art space, where someone can collect it because, so i looked it up in revolt and all the people can get to see it i'm going to go back to you chief can has that? yes. you got that he got suspend. go ahead. no, i just want to say, i mean i hear that a lot that they did that opening it up but then but then tony said that it's actually all about exclusive club. you know, that no worries about getting like a what i'm saying is you can't, you didn't do it without it so that, well, what i'm saying is, is the technology itself,

the n f t technology was the none fungible token can be used for different things. you can, i mean, i have an entity that allows me to get into sporting events. so we have to understand that this technology can be used for different things. it's like saying ok, i have her car, but i can only drive to somewhere, you know, in love with the los angeles. no, i can go different places with this car. so we have to start looking at inner sees as this tool. this technology that allows you to do different things. we're going to have a situation in the near future where if you want to go to a concert, you might need to prove that you have the entity as a ticket to enter that concert. yeah, yeah, and i hear that that's the opposite of what not you would think which is about that it was a coming from ben is coming from the perspective of here. tony, let me and tell them the perspective how many a people use the gross will have to you that sees in terms of the

various categories are kind of says that there are, there are a collectibles that are the ones that people prefer. she referred to as critical arts, or i teach is what i believe that i li, so you can look up my artwork on friday. so that was maybe just really you'd be study should be made for someone coming from a traditional art space. my on my outside of course i q to you, i suppose you can, i to a board 8, which is instructed, collectively do so collectible. so our collective goes trip to are they could have some utility attached to them, like she just mentioned good inside massage, which is a digital word. i knew you were supposed to enter a certain value. i need to require that for the us are not change was magic before we. we delve into the matter verse which doesn't exist quite yet, but maybe we'll do in the future. some thoughts here unique view says i would miss the texture, the colors of a real piece of art. so are we looking at these digital assets as this is something we're really saving? i don't go and look at my shares and study them. and i, oh,

i see them, you've put them away. is it? no art that's meant to be enjoyed. it is that it's meant to be enjoy and they were in there. so i don't know if i'm supposed to be enjoying it or not. because i know, you know, i'm not to go check out my one and one that looks in of the also not g. lovely things about their my digital why i'm never going to happen. bend thoughts? well i think with tony said, right, that is the technology that can be used for a lot of different things. so you could technically bella painting with an n a t p, people are doing that. they phillip jackson has, i think i've got a car and you get an nf c with it. i mean, it doesn't. and so i think you have to see what's more valuable and every time with yeah, i think that and then i mean like people have incredible really, you know, the american people been a video game. so i think you might miss detective in, but you might get back something out something out. all right,

so let me move on just a little bit because we got so many questions for you. i want to get in as many as possible, and i'm going to go via denisha mendez, who is a professor of intellectual property and innovation law. and her predictions for where this digital art trend is going to take us. he, she is in a blue where coping is relatively easy. it can be quite difficult to find the true and its anti version of a work. however, if you took an has your artwork as in an empty, he will receive a digital certificate of ownership representing the personal digital asset and most importantly, it or the traceable on the production, which is there for everyone to see. it has the potential to do away with stay caught in terms of the future. whenever it is, i believe it is here to stay. it will go through the hive cycle. but into the center and with the emergent movers, it will surely expand and the true gas. i'm st. comments on you achieve about

scanning and hacking. so this is ox and f t space is definitely played by scams and hackers. just like any other industry. i think education and staying true to interacting with artists. love is the key there. ah scamming and hacking a snatch, if he been scammed out, if he been hot because it is possible to buy an n f t piece of art and fee to put it in a while and someone else takes it. that's it because it will shrink. this is where people are while it's, i've been hard on, so i collected my artwork. i think 3 years ago, i'm just a few months stark, a few weeks back and walked the artwork that was stolen from their wallets and resold in the market. so it happens, it's not like i was latin and in the promotional art space where beach soft costs as low as, as seller m stolen in the r l t. yeah. yeah, that's what she. so it comes with like the community then shut you out to get

yourself as a collect. so you have to take some precautions. a lot of people collect their energies now and they have a 2nd while it just call and vote. i'm be of course, we're take these one or 2000 to how tokens, so these are measures that people are taking. and i was just looking at this in new york times, headline of theft, some fools and lawsuits at the wells biggest and f t market place. i'm just going to go to that market place now because i believe tony is on it. it's a little bit like a bay for nf taste this. this is tony's open see site here. has anyone tried to still your arts or stoning it for somebody that you sold it to as i, as i happened to yet technically being hacked or scammed? i have not been hacked miscarriage, but fortunately for me, i do educate as well. so a lot of my collectors on because i do have a partners where i educate about and it sees one of the topics that i cover

a lot is be careful not to get scammed. so fortunately for me, none of my collectors are me personally have been scam. it can happen or no one's perfect. i could just say one single click of a link, but i'm also very care final one click links for my mode. oh, i don't whether you know, i have never, i mean, even before and if he's, i've always been here because we used to get those fishing emails where they'll to laugh log in to your bank account on something something happened. so i knew oh, from then not to buy i'm yes, i'm never been scanned. but another thing i wanted to mention of you said earlier about looking at entities in your wallet. so here's the thing. um we have digital screens where you could display your invoices, right. i how collectors of my inner teeth that lay your entities in their homes like you would do an art lease like a regular art heat. so yeah, yeah, i mean that's happening. so yeah,

i don't think it just gets stuck in your wallet. i just want to put that out there . but notes i make sense. oh, yeah, that makes sense. they might just say, hey, this is john felipe who he spoke to just a little bit earlier. and, and he was really that, that warning voice about the problems that can happen when you buy an f t r o in you trying to sell and f t ot his young feet in a traditional art market. intermediaries like galleries and auction houses will vet the creators on behalf of the buyer. and then we'll provide buyers and guarantees you don't have these guarantees in and then if the market, so that's a 1st risk. a secondary skis. how to store the fire that you are actually buying when you buy in and if you get a transaction receipt that's pointing to a file. but you need to know how to store that file securely in a decentralized cloud. otherwise it could be stolen or replaced. if you do not want to do all these research yourself,

you can always buy it from reputable intermediaries that are getting into the space . so part of the appeal, i know the artist is that they don't have to go through the traditional route of getting that art so to them, when they get sold on, they get money for that as well, which you normally don't get so bad. is this going to put people who have traditional roles and out out of business can actually do that? can we see a revelation and revolution in the out loud? it's not possible. well, it's possible. i mean, and i think, you know, a lot of people live what i, what i worry about is that there's the rhetoric that over getting ready to middle man and, and we don't anything. and you see on the display the guy is talking about the role that middle then play it like helping you navigate is better full of can go on. and there's the idea that we can go without expert. i'm just but that you know,

the bad stuff. we're seeing the, the, the fact that it would give you that there's a lot of wash treating people buying art from themselves to make it seem like the real going. i was asking about that artist inflating their places on purpose who i wanted it is that way. you know, that doesn't the black people. yeah. they're like, there is a technical solution to the truck. but in the end, the technology doesn't totally thought the problem and acting like it does leave people open the grid. i, i, i'm not here, i'm here looking at your crypto out on my laptop. i'm going to ask you an indelicate question. but what is the most anyone has as a paid for your crypto art? humble brack. go ahead and let's get a grad. they just going to brag. i it's

those are on their 1000. 0. not again, but then i like to say, and this is very important. i'm really also yes, a that it is important for us to pay attention to the arts and a money that we're talking about. yes, people like ben got interested in the space because of the amount of money to be in the space, but that was important. i mean, when people talk about and think about it is when our media, i'll just talk about the 22 crypto forms like we have on the screen behind you on collectibles, or does your whole lot of things that for example, my kind of a whole lot more people than maybe i would appear to them and i'd like to make a point about a middle man and then at the stage where not get to read up middle. and then i can, i feel in the space that you have to let you know. right?

yeah, i'm just saying you have to last worst. you can still do your thing and you're not getting rid of the middle man. i, i hear you are snotty, tony. we have had so many of us have complimented your work, you have fans out there, and then as well, thank you so much for being part of the shy. you really appreciate it. take care everybody. i will see you next. ah. african narrative from african perspective now, but now we are about his big daily, with short documentary by african filmmakers from the democratic republic of congo . and one that there was never going to be letting an obstacle just stand in front of you. and that is what made the intimate connection between myself and rhonda

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