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part. so what can the discussions achieve? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program i manage m job. negotiations are taking place in sudan and the hopes of ending months of political turmoil. the aim is to find consensus on the constitution, agree on a prime minister and prepare for elections, but the talks hit a stumbling block before they even began. the main pro democracy coalition is refusing to take part. it says the army must stop arresting people who been demonstrating against the military takeover and october. the u. n. has urged sudanese people to unite and whole talks in good faith will bring in our guests in a moment. first he but morgan reports from the capital, hostile sudanese, political parties,
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and the army are coming together for talks. they haven't done this since the military took power 8 months ago. the participants say they want to end the political impasse created by the takeover, which has left for them without a fully functioning government. and in political and economic turmoil, the united nations, the african union, and the regional body, i, god are facilitating but talks aim of this dialogue is to reach a consensus on the constitutional arrangements. agree on a prime minister, prepare for elections. the tripartite mechanism is only a facilitator. it's up to the sudanese who are the stakeholders to decide on the outcome for dance transitional period was derailed when the military took power last october. it dissolved a 2 year government that was meant to lead to down to democracy after 3 decades of one man rule under president embassy. it also sideline, the political coalition known as the forces of freedom and change with home. it had signed a perishing agreement after she was forced out. because lucy was absent in wednesday talks
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a group which split from it and had called for the military to take over attended. prior to the start of the talks, the head of the army issued a statement of unity describing it as a historic opportunity to achieve the demands of the denise people, walkable non recovery, not on what the liver. i request all the concern components to respond to this dialogue a lot stern as an obstacle in the pocket democratic change and transition via the people in the country deserve to be put above our differences club. and we should place the unity and security of the country above political and personal desire, eliano. but the forces of freedom and change coalition is not the only group that is chosen not to attend. the groups known as resistance committees, which have been organizing regular protests for months, are also absent from these talks. they have been vocal in their opposition to negotiate or compromise. since the military took over last year. they were more protests on wednesday against the military's rule. more than a 100 people have been killed and anti military demonstrations and hundreds of others have been wounded since the takeover. those behind the protest say only when
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the military is removed from the equation, will they be ready to negotiate on how to dance, transition to democracy, should continue. heber morgan, alta 0 hutton monks of nationwide protest, came to a head in april 2019. when the military removed president armando bashir from office after 3 decades in power by august, a 3 year power sharing agreement was established with abdullah humbug as prime minister. but just more than a year, it was charmed, the military arrested ham dog and other civilian leaders and seized power leading to anger on the streets. since then, the military has expanded its powers. general abdel for to herbert han was sworn in as the head of the ruling council. but protests against military rule had been held nearly every week since october. at least 100 people had been killed in a crackdown on protesters. all right, let's bring in our guests in her room or bark, our door secretary general of the forces for freedom and change national consensus,
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a splinter group from the original forces of freedom, a change in melbourne. jonas warner, a researcher and former senior analyst for sudan at the international crisis group . and also how to has us cooker a filmmaker and member of non violent resistance movement. europe now, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story about a let me start with you today. i want to ask you about why there are divisions within the main pro democracy coalition. your secretary general for the forces for freedom and change. national consensus that to my understanding is a splinter group from the forces for freedom and change. why? the divisions? why has there been this split the issue of a splitting f f c that for the, for the sort of intent with the, between the central committee and the national consensus. it is issues of
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the decision making. we kind of do it last one of our around a big problem between the 2 groups. we started fell asleep. we need to reform. and this is are making because it was in the force of the intent. we think about, since we find that out of the intent, we were more than $48.00 or at $24.00 groups. those groups do it to be excluded. yeah. and for the, for the, during the 2 years with him in or late with lot of groups that controlling on the decision making places. and this is making the connections and p. we come out, we need actually to suit and to discuss as, as, as, as a civilian group that we need to follow the food meant it. but what happens all the
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effort, including the initiative by the family, sort of the handbook, the for my family stuff, the initiative for the addicted defense initiative on the 2nd initiative also to form the political issues. and so that also was rejected. and i did, we end up that we need to split, you know, an order. we need to have our own forces for them and to at least if we are not able to be together. let us live together as 2 groups. and let us agree on some democrats or the mccracken issues that us agree on these and let us agree on how to deal with the army. let us agree with how to end the traditional figure to enter into the election. we think that, you know, i need to remain united atlas. we have to have all access to that. this isn't making me kind of in and we have to decide on the mattress that will,
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it will take us to, to, to, to and to this fully and to enter into the end. the election might come down as to whether or not i'm turning or i'm sorry to interrupt you. let me, let me get back to that point. you're making about the potential elections shortly . i want to ask how george how george, what is your perspective on this? why is the main pro democracy coalition refusing to take part in these talks? and how much does that complicate things? ok, so let's make it very clear. there's been a 101 martyrs killed by. forces the army destroyed. it forces the police and what not. protecting this crew that happened in october 25th. so after a 101 people that, that talk about the reason this political reason that mo barrack articulated which could, which is true, does not matter. what happened was the cool that caused all this deaths that could
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hold it the government right now we don't have a primary to so we don't have a government for the long time. the economies be bad. there's thousands of people who were injured there. there was hundreds of people in jail detained who went through torture. most of them are out now, but there's a few, there's a 17 year old now that he's facing an unjust trial for supposedly killing a lease officer, which obviously he didn't do. so i'll mislead us, st. has real legitimate reasons to not just want these people that come to stop, but also the people who are heading the crew about x one of them, but mainly we're talking about the army that believes that not him at d, behind. yes. alba, the old me to go into courts and to answer to all these people who are killed to the co itself. and to all that trusted is that are ongoing right now that is this all what we're saying is ongoing after. now there's these sad, there's a,
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there's that talks are going on with the un and what not. but there's still arrests . so yesterday there were rest and day today, this part to south in the street. i just, i mean a car because i just walked away from a protest and the security forces are actually still beating up and not given us the freedoms and the right to top. so obviously there's something really bad. so right now what we in the street are talking, we have this to be nose, and they're very clear. well, we do not want any negotiation. we do not want a partner in the army, and we do not want to need to mice, this sad. so what we want is for this, i me to give up power to the institution. that is the i me and then we will talk to the institution, but we're never going to talk to perhaps, or the rest of the people who are articulate and it killed all these people and caused the coo and stop the political civilian methods of fighting. jonas, you've heard both sides of this discussion thus far. a fact of the matter is the of
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the forces for freedom and change. this is the, the main block, the main coalition when it comes to the opposition. and if there is split as they are, how do things move forward? how does this dialogue actually achieve results? well, without the f, f c, it's very hard to really move forward productively in this transitional progress process. you know, you know, in short yes, talks, you know, would have real trouble moving had the f, f, c. i, as and as your previous guests have mentioned, you know, was integral to the constitutional declaration that allowed a couple of years of transitional, a movement under prime minister. hm. duke and, and in, in, in essentially essentially the f f c would like to see a return to october 20 for the day before the 25th of october kuth on
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there's an interest, i think it, in seeing a more sequenced approach to things, you know, in terms of, you know, 1st of all, reversing the coo and then thinking about things like error formation of the executive formation of the traditional legislative council. and then thinking about forming a new constitution. and you know, i did the problem, i think, you know, we're here talking in the shadow of, of, of talks from the trilateral mechanism of, of a u e garden and the u. n. i think the problem, one of the problems with the end of see perhaps of not joining which is a bit of a false narrative. is that the military now somehow looks like the adults in the room because they attended the talks. but, you know, the methodology was what was not agreed by that of c in the 1st place. i. and i think that that, that is something that really needs to be prioritized, that there needs to be a methodology that f f c buys into i. and therefore, can feel comfortable coming to, to the table on the last thing i would say is, no, as had you said the though the playing field is not even between these, these,
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these various political players are, you know, the arrests intimidation, the killings, and those do not present the sort of a context and, and, and platform for an equitable and good faith dialogue as vocal birth as the, the s r s g, as asked for at mo, baraka you, you have been involved in the talks thus far are what has, what has been discussed, has anything been agreed on yet and, and to your point earlier you were talking about the potential for, for elections. does it look to you at this point as though there will be a timeline announced for elections and that they will take place in a transparent fashion? actually let me just say some words before answering your question concerning the issue of how to identify or to nominate this situation. and so then i will call it we were having a partnership between civilian and military, the civilian government. it was not elected. and military, they are not supposed to be in power due to transitional requirements. all of us we
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come together, we agreed on, on, on 2019 so that we have to leave this up. and we had, we call it the transition period that it was for a fight for us. and during the traditional period, the military, they were having part of the government and the civil ended up having part of the government also. then what happens? we think that on 25th of october 202021. it was disengaging, if we don't call it a qu, disengagement, and ending the partnership between the civilian and military. the problem, it was why this is this a good movie? it was so how? because when we had the agreement together on 29, since it was between the f f c, it was only bilateral agreement between the military. it wasn't a multilateral and we ignored of actually during that time we ignore other political forces. we say now let us have a collective of political forces who were part of spitting during the struggle
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going to but surely you let us have one of them on table and let us together agree on how to complete this traditional to that. what we, what was a, what will happen is that we try to bring on the groups together. we need to, to, to not to anyone of the groups. we need to bring them together. and we agreed that the lateral because in the u. n. and it got on the african and they have to be facilitate us. we are going to be there to how to nominate. and that's enough to get us between all the groups be together thus much. and honestly, that is the lead. the discussion on the will leave the dialogue and work on it as who that is, let's with that is they look and out that that i lateral mechanism that will be facility. we agreed that let us communicate to the other schools that are whom adam of joining lead them joy, whom they by quoted, the opening session of, of the i looks of the day looks let them let, let, let, let, let them join. and by
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a, by dad or the bad of that attendance, we will have a bus and we will have, ah, a comprehensive discussion between all the studies. and this is for the, for the state. this is denise to suit together after the independence from the british colony. we will see that we half to 2 half a day look babbling and move on to come late then give out again on how to do the government of so the whole body, i'm sorry to interrupt you again. it's just that we are starting to run out of time . i had you as you heard mubarak, there was some of the overtures that are being put forward to get more people involved in this dialogue, more groups and what's your response to that? and, and secondly, as you mentioned earlier, these talks are happening as protests continue. i mean, you yourself are, are either on the way or next to a protest right now. crackdowns, as you said, are still going on. you expect it, the protests are going to grow. apartments definitely going to grow right now. we're working on having a big day on june 30th. today's part,
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if there's one of the smaller distributed tests evil already started. i mean, the only reason nobody mind is in power is because of their illusion in the beginning. so what happened was, they're allusion that place these people in power and now now they are traded at coo and stopped by this, by this partnership with the people who are pressing i think killing. so definitely definitely definitely people are not going to join this pollution or it's not going to join this. one of the biggest groups that are organizing the parts that are on fargo is called the resistance committees. and that we just as committee is this super revolutionary body, that is becoming more and more organized. and now we have a charger. and basically, any person in sudan who's in the neighborhood can join their resistance, committee resistance committees are actually calling for the partners. so the products are becoming stronger, their unions are now organizing. so things are becoming more organized, stronger, it's been, it's been a while it's been now we're been in october 25th. but let's remember the fresh
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revolution against murder, but she also took 9 months and people are really, really strong against the big thing. the big thing that is going to change that's coming up. and that's the reason why the army trying to give up and try and go shake really quick and people like our dual and we're not, is the economy because what happened in ukraine and everywhere the prices of fuel has just increased a lot in sudan? christy is increasing where we're really feeling the grudge of all that our, our local currency is about to collapse. so this is a reason why they need the international community. they need that and i feel community is a common health and they need to return and or depth and all these things. and so this is why they're talking, not because they feel like they want democracy. they want to stay in power and they want to hold on to power and what their beliefs nor is want want real democracy. real situation starting with i me as one institution, not as what we have right now, almost 7. i, mr. jones, in the military, of course,
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had been under a lot of international pressure to lift the state of emergency that was done late last month. the fact that they did that, what does that indicate to you going forward a, is there a real realization or perhaps even a worry amongst military leaders a in, in realizing that they do need more international support going forward? well, the listing of the state of emergency was, was pretty symbolic. and, and as a judge has said that there's pin killings and anna and arrests and crackdowns is since then. so it's, it's, it's been hardly a and magnanimous, a gesture. i think of that, you know, one of the real ineluctable truths of sedans, revolution in it. subsequent transition is that you essentially all the actors, whether you're an old god, islamists, whether you are from the rapids for forces, whether you're from the military or resistance committees or the fc, whichever strike that is, you know, all agree of that elections are necessary and that you know,
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among very few bright points is, is something that is quite incredible that everyone agrees on and what is happening as a result of that ineluctable truth is that all of these stakeholders are working very hard to make the playing field as even or, or as favorable for them as they can, and that is, i think what we're talking about here around these talks around protests and, and around the, so trilateral mechanism that the u. n. a u and e e get, are, are trying to put together, you know, that the ncp that they're all guard islamists have been invited many ways back into the scene by the military. because the military unsure of themselves politically and are concerned about general mattie of the rapid support forces and ncp are also wielding credible money and political now since skill i'm that, that they feel very confident in on the f, f c. you know, they, they, you know, were feel that they have the weight of their old political parties behind them. therefore they feel that they, they should run the process resistance committees bring a lot of popular power to,
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to, to the table. and the military brings its, its own brute force and all of these different groups are trying to bring their comparative advantage to bear on the process to actually indeed ultimately have what could be a cold by the star for community and domestically a credible political outcome at mobile, how long do you anticipate that these talks will last and what do you think the best possible outcome could be? i think for the issues of those whom are of those of i do it on the streets. they don't have a clear vision, how it all in a door to, to bring democracy. and so then they only moving from one side that they have to move everyone from the, from the, from the floor, and they have to fix themself. and we seeing that this, it was happening since that independence of so then and so then they have to come together all of them to come to that after the 2nd to discuss about the future. and the current situation also that you cannot fix your on system alone, or whether you out of his,
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his sons committee or any point on political parties for, for us. we think that the revolution we bought expected that evolution since an ad 2000. and since 19 and eighty's, we have been by spitting india and that of lucian to bring down that idea of a shield. so that the groups day they came out on ever on their come out because they knew that palace zebb of. but surely, jim went over and they cannot come back again. other issue for us with sync that the military, they have their own, they play that on the blair. good, ron didn't an april 2019th and they participated in that of lucian to remove the shoot us region nor any revolution. busy nor any, any, any transition on who that can be can be, can, can be successful results in boardman of the army. we sing the army, there can be about spirit it until the end of that transitional. good it until we come to the election for what do you think that, that discussion now what is going on? we will agree on some brosuti delicious now and people are bone or now the
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committee side of the working and will bring the as us. this is the or new year to us the door to solve the problem of so than some of it's sort of the dialogue that evolution and it was again, a sad that he did that was not able to respond to that to that democracy under the freedom of people. now that is not government. what is what is going on and what is it? it is, it kept taking government that you cannot call it a government because we think the government will come after the consensus between the people, the court, the gothic got a lot of them. they don't have any intention to continue and portal it was you sort of, you know, it is better for sold on, on the, for the, than other countries on, for the regional international to help those vendors to come together into the consensus. at least the enough consensus not complete consensus enough consensus that we need the additional to do it until they go to the initial hi george. so the united nations, the african union and their facilitating these talks. how big of a role are they playing and what kind of pressure do you think they can bring to
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bear in please? just keep in mind, we only have about a minute and 30 seconds left. okay. they have a big role. and the international community has a big role, as i said before, the government really nice international community to bring them back in default so they can play a positive role. right now the role that play, not that positive because they actually do not believe their volition and do not believe in sac and we should democracy. and they believe that the army needs to be there once they believe that the army uses and actually they can be changed the players right now the names need to go to jail. we need to have justice, you cannot be without justice. so if they start thinking that just as this, i mean this is people. 5 there, and the revolutionaries are serious and their religion will continue. and this is not a solution. then they can talk about an exit strategy for people unless have a new student. then we can move forward without talking about an exit strategy or behind the yes or alba and all of them you could not go forward. nobody is going to
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come into this, come and sit with them because we need justice. justice is we requisite to going forward this revolution is real and that people are behind it. all right, well we have run out of time to we're going to have to leave the conversation there today. thanks so much for all of our guests. mubarak, our dual jonah's horner, and had jewish coca and thank you for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also, during the conversation on twitter, our handle is at ha, inside story mammogram during the whole team here in doha bye for now. as the final 3 places at the feet, so will couple decided will life from the playoffs will gather reaction from across the globe. the seems best. both with counsel 2022. the world
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