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escalation and cannot be resolved? this is incite store ah that of our welcome to the program. i'm nick clark, a contested region in north western africa is straining tides between algeria and spain. the algerian government has suspended a friendship agreement and halted all trade except for natural gas. for now, the dispute centers around the status of western sahara. the region was that spanish colony until 1975 morocco then took control in a move that's not been recognized. internationally, algeria supports fighters who've been calling for independence and western sahara and march spain's prime minister anchored algeria when he endorsed morocco's plan to give some autonomy to the region. the disputes highlights
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a difficult balancing act for spain, madrid, once more energy supplies from algeria, while at the same time putting pressure on morocco to stop the flow of migrants into spanish territories in north africa is time more sinister momentos. and at the moment, we are looking into the scope and practical consequences of this measure, both at the national and the european level. so as to give a correct response in a calm and constructive yet firm way to defend spain's interests and those of its businesses. that always since our has been the subject of a long running territorial dispute between morocco and the indigenous sarai. people led by the policy of front movement says the region is its homeland and has pushed her independence for decades. but marco says it belongs to it. had been a street lead to a 16 year conflict before the 2 sides agree to a you and back sees far in 1991. today, more than 2 thirds of the region is controlled by morocco. and last month,
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the netherlands joined the united states and other countries supporting morocco's plan to grant some autonomy. algeria is the main supporter of the policy area front, and many refugees from the region live there. the or i, let's bring it, i guess now in new york we have ambassador cdo mar, he's the sort of front representative of the united nations in casablanca. yes. mean has now a north africa affairs specialist than in lisbon. we have ricardo for be on a project director for north africa at the international crisis group. a warm welcome to each one of you. thanks for joining us here today. recorded beyoning from the international crisis group. if i could start with you, how serious do you think this development is algeria suspending trade and breaking off this friendship agreement? i think it's pretty serious, particularly considering that this is only one episode in a long series of retaliatory measures. that algeria has been taking again against
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spain over the past weeks, i think it shows very clearly that they are junior leadership is very much bent on the idea that they want to put maximum pressure as much pressure as possible. really, on spain, to push my grades to change position on this issue or otherwise they're ready to make spain a heavy prize for its diplomatic shift. and obviously this, i would say, obviously dangerous and warning for spain, particularly from a bilateral diplomatic perspective, considering the energy ties and mike retort, the migration issues that's tied to 2 countries. but it's also obviously warring for europe and the other european governments that can now see that taking a specific stance on this issue and is conflict without considering the point of
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view of other parties involved in this dispute, right. can actually bring a very heavy price. you mention energy there at the moment, child, your supply of gas to spain is still flowing. might that come into question? to what degree could algeria weaponized is gas supply? if you will? i don't think cal g area is really ready to weaponized. it's got supplies to spain simply because they know very well the leadership knows very well. that right now, given the situation in the ukraine and with russia, weaponized in gas would be seen as an acceptable move by the european governments who are just looking for reliable suppliers at this stage. but there are other things that algeria can do to try and put pressure on spain using gas. and one could be, for example, the re negotiations of gas prices with spain. so that would not be a fool out at full blown if we knew what position of gas. but it would be
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a way of using gas to put pressure on spain and to signal very clearly that our junior is displeased with the position muttered as they can on this ation. alright, yes, mean as now, how do you think this will happen? this will affect what happens in the region. now, algeria breaking ties off in this way we spent, well, 1st of all, it's important to recall the view were, you know, just a little bit very briefly about the beginning of the, of this tensions. it's basically, it's, this tension is solely between morocco and algeria says, the reintegration of morocco in southern provinces in 1975. you know, all gerry came to move to the 2nd president to work with the and, and decided to, you know, to counter morocco and you legitimate that he's torkel claim to the western sahara . it is important also to highlight that i'll jerry a decision to severe ties with either morocco, pain, or any other country that is not aligned with morocco. as your preview speaker
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stated, it's historically genesee regarding the moroccan, which comes as a response to diplomatic successes achieved by morocco in the recent years. now i think that jury will continue whenever it see a country that is aligned with morocco or is aligned specifically with the un, a resolution that calls for a political solutions and the plan of autonomy. and i think that at all jerry, i will keep on severe ties with which every country that decided to, to, to align her to, to be aligned with rocco, and it doesn't serve the country, doesn't serve the world, especially now with their, with the conflict. what is that with, with russia and ukraine? so i think that's out there. and i mean, i think that, and we're recently we have seen countries like also germany, that is aligned with morocco. yeah. we're going to come on to that in a 2nd as we were going to come up as a program goes on. yeah, a legitimate claim to the western so hard to western sahara. i mean that in itself
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is in dispute, isn't it? it's a mess, isn't it? and ultimately, it demonstrates the need for morocco to step forward and sort this out without your absolutely, i mean the 2 and the 2 are the 2 opposing countries. it's a regional conflict. it's not even a conflict between entity, it's a conflict between morocco and algeria, and i think that's all dia, 34 resolutions are called for a political solutions called for algeria morocco's bed. and the police are ann marie tanius, specifically algeria to step up to the plate and participate in there at geneva, round table. that's that was started by a hearst caller and now as different the mr. rice calling for the sir for, for the stocks. algeria used to take part in the stocks and what is surprising is that it's, it's the exact, it's really impeding that a political process by the mere inside with any country that, that is aligned or that these, that the real a solution is
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a political solution that is a line for whatever morocco plan of autonomy. so i think that i think the 2 countries, it is a regional conflict. i think that algeria needs to step up and think with morocco and for the 40 or as 7 a made their choice. you may be poor let's, let's bring ambassador cbm also impeding progress with algeria is impeding progress . what do you think of this? the search for the shift from spain towards american position and let me start? why are certain the record straight? the question of whistle sorrows, the colonization issue, an international conflict between the french police value and the kingdom of morocco as recognized by the united nations relevant resolutions. so currently one of you guys seem to be out of date in terms of the week political and legal nature of the she was also horror. oh, not actually has a heart all this issue that we're talking about in the growing tension or our region is to be explained by one main fact. there's an regime that has been
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pursuing an expansion and policy says, it's ok, look silly, i'm going to come on to that in the server. can i just just please answer the questions. what do you think of the shift from spain towards the moral composition? because that, that ultimately is what, what effects what's gonna happen regionally and will come on to the other, your other points. but please, on to that question 1st, where we will make this move. we cannot, yes, we cannot understand what is happening now in the region. and the relations that you're talking about without putting it even briefly into its historical context. i know what we make. i can wait on it and move on that. exactly. we're talking about world with that. try to invade our 960 more about if you can find part of the public. more awkward has claimed more genius for many years and took it 9 used to recognize morocco which tried to pious spanish iceland in july
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2002. this is a regime that has been keeping expansion as a tool regard if i can come to you record. if i be honest and it's a national crisis group. so what's your view about this? as far as that's concerned, because the shift from spain is quite a distinct move, isn't it? and it was always likely to produce a response from algeria wasn't. i mean we are talking about the country that. busy colonized the western sahara for several decades and most importantly that from a legal perspective is still considered as the colonial power of this territory since it lasted in $75.00. so in theory, this is a country has a special responsibility, both historical, political and diplomatic towards western sahara and towards the final settlement of this conflict. and the fact that this country has no moved from relatively neutral fans to disposition of recognizing the modem. rural can solution the more proposal
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as the best solution for the complex is extremely meaningful. also considering the significance we diaspora, whose presence in this contract is excess signal, right? this is the most important thing. this is a signal that spain, along with other european countries, such as germany, to neither lands, etc, are sending that they have stopped believing in a solution to this conflict that is not the moroccan preferred option. of course, this is happening without really coordination among european governments. we don't really waiting for the un envoy to actually come up with his own proposal with his own plan. and i think that is obviously problematic because it means that it can clear, really, what do you repeat position here here is if there is a unified position of the that are actually several european positions. and they are not that that are not negotiated or planned in, in advance of coordinated with the un, which remains the main framework within which this conflict is supposed to be
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settled. c, m, off in the policy, sorry, frontier. the fact is that international support is moving firmly in the direction of the moroccan position is a growing number of nations voicing that support for the autonomy proposal. the fact remains personal sahara is if i miss you on the agenda of the nation. but what do you think about what, what do you think the fact that the international view is moving away from your point of view? this is not true. we speaking about the position a few countries. that's what it is, but i'm talking a few miles from the united nations a quarter where the use you still on the agenda of the full committee has decomposition issue. it is treated by this current council where france that is mentioned in the united states of america sitting. and the position is one of
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calling for a solution that provide us with a thought to termination of the people of course, so horror. because simply, you cannot imagine and a united nations advocating and giving its blessing to an act, illegal occupation. this is what is her taken place on denominations. as for the position of these few countries, we have hurt them, but we have to dig deeper to know what made spain strangers position. it's black main pressure by these expansion respiration that i said even tried to compile some part of the spain. so the fact remains western far as if you can arise, it's an issue and that will not be changed by a position by spain or any of our country. because we live in a rules based international order that goes against illegal occupation of territories by force and shrines. the rights of people to self determination. and this is a, what is the case, and this is not as
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a how people have been fighting for and they will continue to fight for their rights. no matter how these all that country expresses preferences for an illegal our proposal that has no basis. what sir, do you think this could now escalates into complexity? irma acidity, the physician taken by spain and other governance would only add to the instability the entire region. because we are, they are encouraging an expansionist regime to go on with its attempt to force and impose reality on the ground. we are in the world, as i said, based the rules based wool that goes against occupation. and that's why the, the legal patient, by morocco has never been recognized by the nations the united nations has never recognized the legal occupation of parts of let's have a republic which is a fool and fighting number of the african union. so indeed, unfortunately,
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these countries are just giving more ammunitions to the final state of morocco. to nottingham seriously, interviewed this process which the personal boy mister franklin stewart trial, to revive after morocco breached as his fire in november, 2020. okay, a yasmine morocco's claim to the western saw her to har is not recognized by the united nations. oh, the western sahara construct is 1st of all only and solely under the security council. now we have seen are those countries like the united states, france as spain, which is the former colonizer? and i that actually recognize that the plan of autonomy, which, which is under the moroccan sovereignty, which is which claims that morocco to have the western sahara under its, its sovereignty. so for me, i think that the problem is solved within it will be of a solved within, within their, secure it within the security council and no other body,
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not even the african union is responsible of this or to solve this issue only the security council. we have seen more than 34 resolution that will for a political solution. the referendum is the by gone a referendum which, which we don't with for it for 18 years. it's a dead it or what a voice it all it can all her brother years we were wise the referendum that were what happened to it was pro way by community. no i did not a very big because it's not credible. and because of the legit to me a legitimacy of the american, a american history over the western sahara that actually the country decided to endorse morocco. i think that the countries though are not waiting for the moroccan from europa to, to dictate them and like her, you know, what sir, what, what he said, i think it's not, it's not a black male spain, as the spanish prime minister federal sanchez has clearly stated that the current position of spain as a former, colonizer to the moroccan at western sahara should have been done,
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or should have been the dis colonizer, as should have been solved, done, 47 years ago. and you will see other countries in the european union that. ringback will suit a spain in this, in this claim. i think that the problem now is within algeria, it's algeria that actually impede in the, the peace process. it's algeria that needs to recognize the story, implications to the impediment, to be artificial. public and julia needs to step to the place and park ok, genuinely bound paper or geneva. you've already felt like i just you got 30 seconds care of the cold war. so i think that that would be the jury and citizens need need war. the all jury marine to full, the internal economics across the boundary. instead of mingling into war with the world that won't leave anywhere regard to be on a we can see we can see the difficult to say, call me morocco,
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regardless area as the southern provinces of morocco, algeria regards is under occupation since $975.00. the u. n says it doesn't belong to anybody. what about the people who actually live there ricardo? is it clear what they want? i don't think we can say with certainty given that the referendum or any sort of popular survey have never been conducted. we cannot really say with certainty what the population wants, right? also because we're talking about a very complicated picture here. there are for highways who are based in the refugee camps intended for julia that i've had always who live in america controlled western sahara. and there are obviously, there's also a growing population of, let's say, moroccans who have moved to west side. so really identify with certain who, with clarity, who wants watts has become, i would say, a very complicated matter. which is, you know, why, of course, we call,
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we keep it all, can we keep going back to the issue of the un framework and the fact that there needs to be some sort of compromise a solution. and most importantly, support for the u. m framework at this moment, given that unilateral moves, you know, that measures by individual international actor was not help settled his issue for the good as city if i can come to you, how does what is going on affect the lives of the people living in the region, the communities and so forth. give us a paint, a picture for us, what's going on. but from indeed her what her, our people are living under in the pile. there it is. a saturday public is a pony, and that's happening. and without the scrutiny of the international community, because morocco, previous anybody to go to the turret, even united nations, specialized models are not allowed to go to the competitors of us. a heroine
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republic. where are people at facing all sorts of crimes against humanity, tortured disappearances, and all that you can imagine unspeakable cruelty being. i practiced against them and for the simple reason for demanding their enable right to thought to termination and venice to be respected as in any part of the world. we're speaking about regime. that's as i said, build an expansion is narration that has been oppressing its own people who are rising, but nobody knows about that. and we're speaking about regime that recalls these stick to florida regimes in the middle ages. and it's really a ha error sometimes difficult to understand that stealing the world with her 21st century world. people do not know the real nature of the regime, ruling and morocco, which is one of the most and less qualified regions in the world to speak about human rights. and that really is part of this tragedy were peaceful,
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small people of fighting for the principal and fundamental rights. he has main of the same time, even as really going about the of the senior mother. i'm talking about a peaceful people fighting for their rights. well, i mean, it's their own rights, whatever they believe in, but i believe that it's important to a, to, to actually kind of your about the reality of the west moroccan western har. the south region, there are 80 percent of the salary population live in the moroccan, western sahara and will participate fully and freely in the public policies of the, of this region as well as at the national and, and, and local elections. now at the level of teen due, 13th of guns, one has to know that's the only can't in the words that we're not sensed. and because of algeria is not allowed the unit, she are to fence this a be this population. how can we know the number of this population they live in dire positions happening at a dire conditions, and they are vulnerable to the recruitment of, of the,
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of terrorists that come from this a hell. so i think because of the not, i think i'm, i'm in this conflict because of this artificial conflict. these area is vulnerable . this area is prone to a terrorist recruitment in, in, specifically in, in the teen de region. and there is a growing threat to the security of this, the, her region, and the main military and her basis. again, i'm going to go back then be juggling that i'm going to drop in the i'm so sorry i'm sort of before you go back and i just have to jump him to come towards the end of the program. and i want to give one final question to record of her be on it. let's come back full circle to spain's position, which isn't cut and dried because there's a lot of opposition to it. in the political hierarchy in spain listener. yes, absolutely. i mean, this is the country that as i mentioned before, has long standing ties with both morocco and with this, how we population and with how we diaspora of these present on its own national territory. so it's only natural that this position taken by the government has been
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and it's still i would say, contested by significant sections of the population. we know, for example, that the junior partner of the ruling coalition for them was, has already denounced this shift, saying that it doesn't really represent the opinion of the majority of the spanish population surveys. point exactly to that. the fact that the majority of spaniards don't seem to back the decision of this government and have been there's been criticism even coming from the rights, particularly regarding what spain has or has not really obtain in returned for this for this move. so i would say that even within spain, the debate is still very lively, and there are still significant questions regarding the, let's say, the logic of this moves and the benefits of this shift while trying to talk to a 50 dispute in 20 minutes or so. the real challenge, but we do thank you for joining us here today to try and take it on the video ma.
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