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costs could create millions more child labor. so what would it take to bring that to an end? this is inside story. ah . hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. every day, an estimated 160000000 children a forced to work often in dangerous conditions. some are as young as 5 years old. this is united nations worlds, day against child labor is calling for better social protections. so parents aren't forced to send their youngsters to work. these include free education, childcare, and child support payments. it's one of 6 points of action agreed last month at a later international labor organization conference in south africa. delegates were told that another $9000000.00 children could be pushed into the workforce by the
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end of the year. one rescued child work from india explained how access to education helped end child labor in her village. automatically b, d. i'm the 1st good to complete class where the exams in my community, just like right now there is no child labor in my village. there should be no child labor in any part of the world. i want to ask you a question. we kids don't have the authority to cast a vote. so should we have the to be to do child labor? is it the children fall that we are born in a small village, so we don't have the right to childhood bit freedom. we also won freedom. we also won the right to education, but in many countries, children have no choice but to earn a living that's a growing concern. as high inflation pushes up the cost of food, energy, and housing worldwide unknown. and i am the eldest in the family. and so i am in charge of supporting my sisters and brother and helping my mother find food in the
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morning. i do the chores, then i come to work to search for gold. if we find something i buy the food, then i make the meal school is not an option for me or any of the children here. or forced me to work as a situation. my father is on well and can't work anymore. and i only have one brother up working from time to time during the month. while children across the globe are routinely engaged and paid and unpaid forms of work, so would actually constitute child labor. well, instructional no classified children as child labors when they carry out any work was under 13 years of age. 18 is the minimum age for carrying out work considered harmful long term with physically, emotionally or mentally. although child labor can increase a household income in the long term, it perpetuates household poverty and more child work. because in the economy, the lower their wages and latest estimate suggest child labor is increasing.
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amongst children, age 5 to 11. are now at least 16800000 more child labor's than in 2000, and 1640 percent of them carry out dangerous work. the . let's bring in august now and in new delhi, we have shanta sinner, founder of m. v foundation. that's a charity working on ending child labor. in new york, stephen blight, global senior child protection advise at the un children's agency units f and in dhaka and biologists not the actor, the founder of our foundation, and a former child worker in the garment industry. i would welcome to all of you, shanta. if i could start with you, just to give us a bit more of a broader idea as to what child labor actually means, is it only when a child is working instead of going to school, does it include children who might say, work in a family shop after school or help periodically with the harvest,
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what does it actually involve with the strike? they saying that's fine. they were, or shouldn't be defined as children of the school, you know, and also say that the time does not attending school and then in town on the other. and you will, if she's not in some form of work today, she's going to be only part over an unskilled labor force. so i would try and they would as in charge of the school trying to isn't school. i should still think that the time before and after school hours should not be working, which is a better attending school and factors affecting and school as an equal citizen. in fact, i take a really strong style on the matter saying that you wouldn't report an after school hours to do for marginal lives in published communities that the otherwise you
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should have the book and should be able to get back to be attention and asthma. you yourself or a child laborer, that is what you did and why you did this. thank you. well i, i did the to because it is ready war and i need to support my family. that before i started watching the 11 and i work like 10 to 14 hours in a day. and it's not that a very good journey are really interesting things for us. and also you know, that one of the challenges that my mother also working in the factory and she's not earning much more than me. so that is also one of the issues, because the minimally living was, is needed for adults and balance. because that is why sometimes they're the
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motivated also and also what we're facing in my country and also the country. because children are mostly due to a very unique kind of work. if i'm going to the very last lives at each jewelry, lag address, the embroidery, and also very i have that us in the us work. children are there is very much usable and also that children, when you shuttled you early, they are scared that they can do more work. so this kind of seems to be going on and abuse are a digit, and there is no really doing that is no good system for things and we don't have an action plan. so it's very difficult also that
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when the family is not getting proper with benefit and social action insurance policy, a lot of issues are at this thing. and also another issue is that i live, it is interesting because most of the women's weren't working, no child can only guess center all don't know, is it a, it, and selfish and there must be that women's work are slow writing. so this is also one of the challenge that this is that children and she said living in the village and 2 months maybe are separate from the parents of so many issues. and also, you know, mostly the informal sector. so informal sift are where the legally is not require a job on track and the pay. so that is that all men and children are abused and doesn't work and doesn't have any recognition. and then not have that as like a walk show, the transportation factory that they're working. and that's,
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that is one of the issues is very much if you can just briefly about you started at age 11. so that means you left school at age 11. we were ever able to return again to school long because i didn't will back to return to school because i work in the like more than 80 hours. and then i realized because how i did print from the education, how i did, my gosh, as a citizen, as a fundamental as a child. so that is why when i work in the, actually when i lost my job, i was a union organizer. and i had another issue and then i decided i should do something for our cell but should do something more on to them association, freedom of x s, expression. and how do we use these kind of expectations i live and i also let me speak on that. i love that issue when i was young until now and trying to week
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was foundation. we're trying to get it on our gosh. i suddenly want to come back and get more of an idea of the, of the success of your work so far. but just for the moment, i want to bring steven into the discussion. i think that was very clearly showed us some of the push factors that push children into labor and also how that can have a negative effect on the child and the family because the children don't get the education. but stephen, can you give us an more of an idea of where we see these cases of child labor and what are the factors that lead to massive pockets of them in certain parts of the world? and thanks forgot. and i mean, one thing to keep in mind is over the last 2 decades, there's been a, you know, a trend downwards in terms of prevalence of child labor. so there has been progress that's been made. but where that progress has stalled,
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what we've been 10 pointing is firstly in sub saharan africa. and secondly, the agriculture oil sector. ok, so about, you know, $160000000.00 out of, or in child labor, about $86000000.00 are in sub saharan africa. and 70 percent of those in child labor are in, in agriculture. why do you think that is the well, in terms of the regional trends, there is that there's a number of factors that sort of come together in sub saharan africa. one is relatively high level of poverty in sub saharan africa, the level economic informality,
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which means that their workplaces are less regulated. social protection systems are relatively weaker in many of the countries in that continent. education are access to free and quality education is weaker. we also have larger growth in the younger age population in sub saharan africa. and i think you mentioned before, we're seeing a big growth in the 5 to 11 year olds in child labor. and then finally, i think issues of state rigidity, crisis conflict situations. i mean, our regions of the have these that contribute to child labor, but i think there might be a greater convergence in sub saharan africa. certainly when it, you know, concerns high levels of small hold their agriculture. ok. so you want to return to
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that point in just a moment, but just before we do chant, i want to get an idea from you whether you use or a similar trend that in india, the numbers of child labor is declining, stalling off the 2016 and whether you was saying rising numbers in agriculture as well. and then through the last ticket there has been, was a time they were decreasing in india, and that's a lot to do with another on the education to during going to school you just the safety state action on the rafter. but i should think the situation has already gone back and children that again back in was back and gotten back and forth like back in gregory. and so in a way, i would think that there is an exacerbation of one that the need for the gee
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and the better to go and work number 2. they're not going back into books. i should write to say, you know, there's one point that normally let me say that or this is not what i think on this is happening because it is state complacency and state inaction. this is just not enough instructor to birthday children. and even the state begins to argue that children are working well. i think they will have to abandon the what would you give me more than what would be i think because of the argument that makes children well there shows of t playbook, they can exploited and taught to buffer long hours. in fact, we had, she is the 2nd we did bring her from also the schools, the region for women went up 5 times protection systems and began to function.
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schools began to function in the back try and they both cost would be depressed. the just, it brought the law for your life and the family, i mean, should stop arguing that children are poor and so they have to dillard how great that entitlement orders. they're not responsible for the forward g, u and we are responsible and the state is even more responsible and they take it to her justice is what we should talk about in the equality and argument for equality in what broker works. i'm really, really not anymore to do the analysis of why i leave, but i think there are none from us. do experiences and talk about how to really to the school. i think i question how is so so important and we will get on to that in just a moment. first, i want to check with nancy my whether you agree with santa that is
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a state in action. that is the reason the main driver of these high high numbers of child labor is that we're saying, and is this the case that you're saying in bangladesh? yes, i'm totally agree with that now. what she said on some of the tea play by and what i really mentioned earlier that the parents need to be sent with this and dissent working condition. that is also one of the issues and also for because of quality of education, education as not a properly happening back to recently that i love this compliment is written by i look convention 138 and does my last march. but it's not only that education back, they need to be also action plan how they have to function level the certification, even our country, the last state. if you're below a workers,
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you need to get fido are slack, and they're still our for education and recreation. but nobody's online is and that's, and that is i still has a lot of responsibility for food and education and social protection and children. one of our group, all kind of things are very much at well candy like well the dish. oh was didn't it was back in 2015 world leaders committed to ending all forms of child labor by 2025. that's 3 years away. why have they not done it? you know, it's, it says, i saw santa for example, mentioned, i mean, this is our rights issue. there's been a number of international treaties. there's been the 2 ilo treaties that i think were referenced as a convention on the rights of the child. and as well. and, and, and so any child and labor is a, is not tolerable,
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and we all have an obligation to, to bring it to an end. progress has been made on since 2015 as mentioned. but it is a stalled. and i'm one of the areas, one of the factors i think we have to look at is the, the impact of coven 19, which i'm, you know, as well as, i'm increasing poverty. it highs on. i'm as well. i'm, you know, kids stop going to school as schools were closed and i'm not brought more and more of them back into family agriculture as families. i know their family occupations as you know, the parents didn't of the child care and under was no alternative other than than work. so that's been a big set back to our got to our efforts i think, to, to you know, get, get back on track. and i'm, you know, in the current context, i mean,
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you're really, really need to double down on this some social protection element making sure the not poor families get the income support necessary to get time to the kids don't resort to working. and then stepping up the work to get kids back into school and to keep them in schools. we don't want to see the an outcome of the coven 19 crisis. i being a big increase in child labor shanta. as you said, we need to about what needs to be done and this is one big theme of this is un day for child labor. do you feel that it is a priority for governments that they have taken this on board and they're going to create this social protection for people with a real desire to enter child labor?
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oh, i knew it can happen. but so far, when i got seen signs with children as it comes in trying to do what is he making for goldman during the course? of course they were totally lost documents spoken about after over by the id and the you and agencies or so. but then because not by the or gotten that's already and within the countries, i think that have structure, the need to doubling the investment to get children back into school after forward, you know, and also be showing them last or last your dreams and aspirations cannot be just true the that we will bring you back to school that kind of worries, a strong walker from the jefferson that historical and yet i think it is solely to
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have both centralized movement and a noise and shame that weekend for you get back to schools and then making the school ready for the loss of registration, making the school ready for the drawbridge courses group actually did learning through all the talking to, to, to walk. ringback through during the summer, during the wheel and therefore, you know, your rents are not going to be turned on what you're doing and going to connect with the board children. so long thing of that sorta. so what happened? i'm not sure this is happening other countries, but you know, generally when one reads of literature in the matter, it seems that our resume conference but then action on the golf is warranty? exactly. but i want to bring you in at this point because i want to know if we do have any positive examples of where this has happened and where it has worked.
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yeah, that was, i mean, you mentioned on the durban called to auction the recent conference that took place and on, you know, given on, you know, you were accepting the points that conferences don't to solve problems, but they do serve a couple of important functions. one is to share those experiences and i, and good practices, and then to, you know, re forge thought that tom, that government commitment. so we've seen a number of our positive examples from around the world where the schools, for example, undertook oh, great programs to get those kids who were at risk. i'm going into labor back into school and keeping them there. we've seen a big and a number of countries. i big expansion of social protection measures,
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cost grants for children with that for families with children that were i think accelerated during the covered 1900 conduct as, as, as a response. and we're also seeing, we have to keep in mind that there's also a supply chain, right? and many of the products that are engaged in producing and up in you know, in, in consumer societies and responsible businesses need to have some responsibility to check out their supply chains. you know, back to where the raw materials are source. absolutely, and then we're up to the point to make to not because we are running, not necessarily we are running a little bit out of time, but that's been bangladesh. is a country large number of multinational working it in the garment industry. how
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much of this is an issue that those multi national companies should be taking on board as well as the governments of the country else? oh, thank you a and i used to be since 90. are you still with us? i live on was that and talk to question she didn't was working since 19, but after grad a and e and fighting for a industry. so we don't have that in the government sector like it's i live, but we have, it didn't like it or in 16 years or weren't working. so, but we're also explore being a local market. there is a lot of children are using an issue because of that system.
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we do have to leave it as we have run out of time for this discussion. it's a shame, it's a very interesting discussion indeed. but for the moment, thank you very much. so i guess shanta seen her stephen blight and not my actor for joining us. and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website, this algae 0 dot com and for further discussion do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is as a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here in doha bye. for now. i don't have a narrative. i have of my should join me rochelle, carry on up front is my guess from around the world. take the high peak and we can
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