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conflict? and could it escalate into a full blown war between the 2 names? this is inside stored. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm a jim jim. more than 25 years after the 1st congo war, the democratic republic of congo, and were wanda, are once again engaged in dispute. the central african neighbors have accused each other of firing rockets across their shared border, including a strike that killed 2 congolese children. this seems to have been triggered by fighting between the m 23 rebel group and state forces in the east. both congo and the united nations have accused were wanda of supporting the m $23.00 movement. the u. n. has urged all parties to immediately cease all forms of violence. the region

doesn't need a new crisis. let's keep the channels of dialogue open at all levels, including at the community level and help preserve the progress achieve in the recent years. thanks to the various cooperation mechanisms. the march 23rd movement or m $23.00 is also known as the congo lee as revolutionary army. it's a rebel military group based in eastern areas of the democratic republic of congo, mainly in the province of north keybo. its leadership is made up of members of the to the ethnic group. they say they're aim is to fight enemy groups founded by hutus federal wanda. after the 1994 genocide, the rebels merged with the connelly's army under a peace deal signed on march 23rd 2009. but in 2012, they said the deal had not been upheld and broke away. naming their group the march 23rd movement the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess in accra, kimberly was heavily as

a researcher at the center for research on the congo kinshasa in kigali. get a needing about whom lisa is a political commentator in til berg, the netherlands felix, near the hender is a researcher focusing on conflict, peace and justice in the great lakes region. a warm welcome to you all and thank you so much for joining us today on inside story kamali. let me start with you today. what's behind this new round of violence? i sought to tell i was to be on that for almost 6 longs. now that have been in our pricing of the $23.00 in the east by the not the only militia group activity in the east. so it's very hard to know. we do know that they have been distinguished and taking place in a row, be with the many munition groups in the d r c to come up with some resolution for peace or stability for the east, something organized but a president, kenya. and during this period, for some strange reasons, the m $23.00 has started a campaign to attack un peacekeepers and also the con,

with these forces in specific areas. and that has continued. and then we notice that that many to military power has increased tremendously by having power to attack at night by having weapons that you had before, which has caused the quality of the government to states. and there is tacit support of our comb with neighbors particular around that to them $23.00. so as i can say, i can say no, i don't really know why the tax has taken place at the present time, but it is a destabilizing force at the moment. i can, bobby, if i can just follow up with you, you mentioned that there are talks or negotiations going on between different groups right now. first of all, how many groups are we talking about in secondly, any indications on how those top are going. i mean, those are the militia groups. some numbers, take it up to a 100 militia group there, but you have to understand even what that actually means. and i,

a group may have 20 rebels, the force occupying it territory and they are called the federal reb group. but the way to look at the. ready groups in the eastern part of congo is that you have drifts and supported by congress neighbors, particularly run them. uganda. and you do have a local rebels war, either protecting the territory interacting into elicit trailer minerals, but the fs of that is not just back to 96 has no, not the stability. mainly because of a interference of the members rather than a uganda continues explicitly to support the rubber groups in the east coast of the nation. the con, well yes i can say say by the 100 of them, but it doesn't mean much while then they go shifting. nicole was just joined. ready east africa community, the seem to be a political will in the part of kenya to see how cool can be stabilized. may be to

bring about the potential of the congo for the east africa community. and as i said, now you're in narrow b, they've been really, really pushing hard to our business facility. and the negotiation as being for rubber groups to put down their arms in a be at the grid in the safety are in the military. and yes and conclude that long voting at the moment, gets it a, i want to ask you about how you see things from your vantage point there. in kigali, why our attention is escalating now. those people are surprised and confused by 2 things. 2 developments different than what i'm soon as i'm 23 remarks to attack the d. b or the being $110.00. you know, people will be limited for just opinions,

but they need that. are we not being you for 5 years and find, find the growth and come into the for it without being attacked. and so everybody was aware of big m 23 in what he's for for the last 5 years. now when they run the, what's the price point seeing that are running said that they will do that means they must be there must be supported by rhonda. i think that was one of the anthony. but what do you often do not make a difference between people. rhonda india and run them and they're going to be one of the things that they're demanding. i understand is the country. and so every time they talk and because the effect

that they look like one, the people who included that when they and saw that it said that positions were followed by a measure we had their now line run. the head of was meant that was a license was suspended. i ambassador was someone's to be to, to receive little protection. so that was in itself. or it wasn't great, but it was already we thought it was okay with that because i, you know, friendship is something you're for style when he was broke. but the problem is that one of these sightings now the, the, as he has been shaming rwandan territory and theater is of kaniggy, which is the cause of the idea, the anti sing. now if you look at them full of, you know, of the random country, which is a very small country desk booklet in

a box that falls under run and do too much more diversity done. you know, then i think that i've been almost 6 years. we certainly can just or just one kilometer from, from where they are. so rather is not like school rather his junior vulnerable to any of you know, they actually didn't do otherwise. surely when supervision give you the place where we have the best to get it. i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you. let me get back to that point. you're making just a couple of minutes of felix. i want to ask you about your opinion on, on, if all this tension that is escalating right now could actually spill over into a full blown war between the neighbors and, and how big a fear is there right now of escalation. and, and what would that mean for the region? eileen is my reading of their the situation is that there are serious spears that this kind of skeleton to every going to work given the nature or for example,

that it, the accusations are going from different sides on the, given that the dynamics of the narratives and specialist of it, kind of the flames that i need knitting that the media, particularly social media and sports politicians reacting also towards all of that . oh, i think the threat is realistic. i mean no, no, not with the fighting. and when are gonna order ports are occupied by the m 23? anything can happen from there. i'm with coastal matter started now from what i can read on social media subject verifications, a lot of comedies are just having crossed again with all needed caveats to, into uganda. hello can help him out. but i would really hope that sir, all actors of good will, from the regional powers, like canyon so on and international. interveners probably need to do something to

avoid that ex escalation. rather than that, it looks like we are putting a dentist there certain get a day of the african union is launched, efforts to try and mediate this crisis between kinshasa and k golly. have has any progress been made? well, no, not really unfortunate enough progress has been made because the negotiations have to be based on facts and evidence. and we have what we call an extended strength verification mechanism. but it's been bullying and post i did yesterday. not believe. i mean, for example, did yes, these other month that one day supporting him 23. in spite of any independently verifiable facts, they used, you know, they, if somebody sees that efficient on, even if he's a vision about that means they're disciplined by rhonda. but they drink verification mechanism has not established that so. and it was usually cannot goon, because the the i say for instance from said of him to the 3 comes from rhonda,

uganda would confirm that intimacy actually come from uganda, but it but yes, you would busy that it comes from rhonda, even though there is no evidence that there's that the internal putting people dynamics of the d s. c. that makes it easy to point fingers to rhonda which has nothing to do with that. it's going to leave internal affairs which then makes it difficult for the call. what is government to do own is that open negotiations because they have to freeze their own internal principal pressure. and so, and get it a, i mean if you're saying that there is a mechanism, but it sounds to me like you're also saying that that mechanism really can't function it in an appropriate way. right now, i mean, 1st of all, let me ask you, what are rwanda's immediate concerns and how then can things actually start being the escalated, though they make anything actually equal schools will function very well under the

bottom edge of the international commission for the graphics region. we have mechanism include more than 10 countries, they faction, they do provide reports or a frequent basis. in fact, what they're saying right now is that yes, the d s. e 's shaelyn want them to run into 3. none of these international independent mechanisms are saying that the one that is supporting diaz, which is why there's no country in the world that is condemning rhonda was a putting him to the people simply because there's like it is of such, such a guess on india is making that image. now, how can he get b, b, s got it one. it can be a good a did you did? yes, he is capable of dealing with internal problems when negotiating with his own a several groups that in my opinion, that will be able to defeats media diary, but that's an internal d. as each number 2, we are worried about 2 scenes as randoms. why they won't run that repeatedly.

when it won't kaniggy you are wanting the home to mountain guerrillas. did you critical was the good. what is you zip? 30 percent of our national in car where he won't be silly. you won't be very dizzy populated region. we the focused on population is, is they, they just for us, we cannot, that's number 2, number 3, and the last point that worries of a match. now, the government army of the, the repeated beat on the bottom, you have a good that which is the, the of the aggression of run that for my people will be to the general say, now they are national. i'm going to get the end of the need to now they do, i think, supported by the one in which you will not imagine anyone for that is called the generals. they've been treated on

a daily basis and the you become something that it can bother you her get to do their bring up the role that the you in is playing . and i want to ask you about that. i mean the you in is now urging all parties involved in the growing tensions between kinshasa and gali to immediately cease all forms of violence in these border regions between wanda and d. r. c. from your perspective, are there immediate steps that can be taken to ease the tensions and is the you in, in any way effective in all this of 1st react rebecca correction. they have been countries and additions that have actually put pressure wrong to stop supporting rebel interfering. even the last that coming from the secretary general spokesperson, i clearly stated in indirectly stated that outside forces number of countries will

stop supporting the m 23. i may not be explicitly saying run that, but we know what that refers to when he says upsides, i mean the initial has done so specific for the united nation. the united nation depends that you not in the shop, is keeping forces that depend on the un security council, particularly the political will of the council to and the crisis in the coma for the past 25 years. we have seen numerous times that the political will as lapse. while we are asked why no will is pretty very clearly g missions in the security council while playing cover for under specifically the united states and the united kingdom. i mean, some of you may know the run days about to receive over the $50000000.00 for receiving refugees from the u. k. so that you can see everything to do. we make sure that if l i on the african continent, that knob is not held into account for the united states,

a concrete leap. what would bring about piecing cocoa? i think we must be very gentle and even honest. so we have this discussion about the r c because we speaking about it as the m 23 or before. that's just a peer speaking going off for 25 years. when you're talking about the m. 23 is connected to the c and p. when you're talking about the c and d, p is connected to the r cd while you are talking to the, our city is connected to the f d f. so i'll just throw some acronyms there. what are these names? those are the rebel group that exist in the course suspension. that is 6. how do i know that the leader of the so called m 23? so tiny, my king who has a rest war and from what his government was not above it, travels in uganda all the time. also, anthony, 3 rebels. we've arrest warrants while living in run and they have not be extradited

to the r c. they are all have been implicated in the was in the car, the have taken the lives of millions and even lately the person spoke before me mentioned, there was a shelling of you, sidney and kaniggy school program that was for the actually seep. you felt to say that just yesterday there was a bomb being of a school in the d r. c by the run military. that shell, they bombed a school where it's 6 year old and a 7 year old. but so it's for business stability to take up to come into the region . the honest, why do we have conflict is very simple. if the distributors actually seem to get control of congress wealth using proxy rubber militia in discuss discussing them 23 helix, you know, you heard kamali there, talk about the stabilisation. so i want to ask you, i mean,

is the international community doing enough to try to put pressure when it comes to the situation? and are we going to see the international community step in to help the escalade things? i mean, i can always fun, probably pick up, so there will be some kind of backgrounds, channels and a lot of jokes. and let's say dramatic kind of activity around trying to find a solution. i live in south pitt level. i'm not even up to the region, are they in turn i've been there about presents in the chair. i would expect nothing and i'm and so on today to be very much involved in trying to find a solution. that being said, i guess we'll never have the final let say last, the solution on this, we really try to look at the depth of what are the issues are, are they will by failure caballo already just talked about to the, you know, the acronyms. and by rochester to the different movements. but we need to look at

the phenomenon of m. m. 23 as part of the bigger candle of problem with is stand. yes. is our security on and present it. we're in its anti us in on the incidence on the, on the white a region. and we have to look at the history and the that the ton of unresolved issues on these need to be broken down at different levels as well. there are issues which are at a very local level in north cable, specifically, and insult people specifically, for example. now we are talking only about entrenched speech. but last year, we had close enough to the same level of kids and debate about the hope that'll self give will wither. with fighting, still very much on going there. so in saki was, when we have quite a lot of local unresolved issues on these tend to have quite a big residence at the national level, against, strictly speaking, within the communities that landscape. and here we're talking about issues of identity, ethnicity, citizenship, control of lawns,

and issues of power including representative within our coding at the local level for it is and so on. part of the legacy of the belgian colonial systems in arizona already in the congo which successive postcolonial administration have never really lived up to reckoning with. or at least are organized as should be in order to reflect management. second gwinnett, you look at that indeed at the regional level. so law call, national, personal regional, pointing that out. many of those problems. for example, when you're talking about that they, they, they, they identity issues when he rings. most of it or the narratives you have not iran emphasis rate on social media, least even wanted to stick to that space. m 23 doesn't exist. it's nothing but a cover for rhonda. in fact there is no such a thing as a run to form everything about imaging. $23.00 is rhonda, and i think that's is a very dangerous requisite to take that additional maybe that need to be

investigated around where m t m it's $800.00 thrive. is it supported or not? i think that's the work for all of those rental verification mechanism. i'm sure that in the coming a marks and d as where it gets you and reports on that. we have this funk philip, as if i could, i'm sorry, i wrote but, but if i could, if i could follow up with you about a point that you're making there, i mean, you have a situation here. we're both d, r c and or wander are accusing each other of supporting arm groups and, and even of launching cross border attacks. you know, we come back to this to, to this question of, are there actual mechanisms that exist that are able to investigate these claims and, and, and how are the facts established? we have, i mean, for many years now we have hot u. n. o, a group of experts on, on the g r c. that is meant always to investigate what happens in or out of the country every time out. he has produced tons of reports and so on, on what goes on. but i mean, rippling. documenting is one thing,

coming with options that are meant to resolve problems that i had in spite is another thing. and most of the time auction lacks when it comes to resolving in a lossy way. some of the issues that i did, but i did different levels i was talking about. i keep insisting that are local issues that are domestic. you something that yes, there are regional issues on international. did you talk about your national when you're talking about, for example, i mean, always and so on. i'm sure that there are region interest in the commercial interests between the younger neighbors, but also got international, probably even more impacts for international links. so all of those need to be ta called to i'm if you talk to one of those and you don't address the others, you can only postpone the problem, but it will be there that meet. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much. all of our guests come by, name was a bully. get a reading,

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