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sama he and other k popstars are welcoming, being back with their fans at large concerts, the kind of gatherings that haven't been possible during the pandemic. especially colleges which pay for big names to come and entertain them at this time of year. i'm doing a lot of shows easier on colleges. this is kind of funny or my career is 22 years, but these days i'm talking to myself like, wow, dude, you are very popular. uh huh. they love you. that may be the case, but sized concerts have drawn criticism for their excessive use of water being sprayed onto the crowds from large water cannon, especially at a time when many parts of the country are suffering from drought. and now he's also being criticized by health officials saying that wet masks pose a health risk making it easier to spread germs just as the country finally seems to be overcoming the only kron variance. that of course, is
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a reason to celebrate this summer and sigh and his fans would like to be partying for his use of water. it seems. landing him in hot water. ah, player watching al jazeera life from doha reminder of our top stories, the leaders of france, germany in italy, are in ukraine's capital for their 1st visit since the war began. they are meeting present, but amused lensky after touring or pin where russian soldiers are accused of committing abuses. this is joyce. you are here at earth, put on a side that has been destroyed. indeed, the russian army stopped of several other cities nearby. massacres has been perpetrated, and we have heard the 1st truces of what our war crimes on this investigation who are cooperating very strongly. i would like to think all the french don't arms,
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experts or magistrates who have been working on this for the 1st do alongside the experts. ukraine is also top of the gender in brussels. nato defense ministers are meeting for the final day of taunts focus on building up forces along the alliance as eastern borders. this meeting sets the stage for a launch a nato summit. at the end of the month. the u. s. defense secretary lloyd austin has bounced sweden and fill ins applications to join the alliance in the wake of russia's invasion of ukraine. iraq's influential shia cleric, montana our santa has announced he is stepping away from politics. he says he won't participate in the next elections. if politicians is accused of being corrupt, take hot indonesia, the main labor union is on strike. to demand an increase in salaries and confessions on the governments found reforms. thousands of workers have been holding a rally in the capital tunis police in brazil say they've identified the bodies of an indigenous researcher, any british journalist who disappeared in the amazon. they say a suspect confessed to killing bruno para,
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and don phillips and took investigators to the site where their remains were found . protesters in india have been attacking trains and blocking roads as anger spreads over a new military recruitment system. the government announced this week it would overhaul the way it recruits its armed forces. it's an attempt to bring down the average age of personnel and reduce pension expenses. those are the headlines on al jazeera up next year. inside story. we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter what you see out is all right. we'll bring the news and current affairs that matter to you. how dizzy europe is in the is governing party to blame for reports of rising islam. of phobia, writes group, say attacks against muslims have increased since the b j people howard. so what
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does growing religious intolerance mean for the future of india? this is inside stored ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim john, left homeless for protesting against hate speech in india. that's what dozens of people whose houses have been demolished, say is happening to them. most are muslims. the state government were taught pradesh, maintains the houses were built illegally, but the demolitions took place as emotions were running high across india. in the past week, people rallied in several cities protesting against offensive comments. the 2 members of the governing b. j. p. made about the prophet mohammed poverty, metal reports from saharan poor in northern india. oh mama that he cries in pain. he says his arm is
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broken as he leads for mercy. he was recently arrested for allegedly taking part in a protest. his mother says the accusations of false and authorities are threatening to demolish families. home, me, bobby godaddy. no more than what had you. my sister in law visited him. she said his hands were swollen. he told her the swelling was even worse. a few days ago. he begged her to get him out. he was crying like a child, what i thought, but, oh, chatham oh, hundreds of thousands of people across india recently protested against the push on more. she was suspended from the governing bgp for making islam before rec, remarked. now the b, g, p, run government, put their put, the state is cracking down on dissenters. authorities have demolished at least 4 homes belonging to muslims. they said the houses were built in legally part of the top floor of bosh at home. it's a horrible town has been destroyed. his mother says,
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authorities threatened the family as the arrested him. there's a delivery the remember that when the law we were terrified, i locked the door but they demanded we openness. i went to the terrace and asked them why they had already arrested my son. i asked if they wanted to kill me. that's when they switched on the bulldozer. at least 300 people have been arrested nationwide. others have been booked for hate speech. many of them are hindus, local authorities say they receive names of dozens of protesters and will begin examining their homes for irregularities that's walking, filling this town, that more demolitions could be carried out. courts have recently condemned similar demolitions, but authorities said these are part of a larger and encroachment drive in the state. it is going on. and the people who hard to serve any legalities go in that house is on, in the this is for misses the list is already ah, the blueprint authorities,
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the civic authorities, keep on making actual against them. it is done as it will be in measure and it has linda, a gaze of one of the mean accused one of the instigators of the whalers. many people are protesting against is demolitions. they see the government is trying to intimidate dissenters and is singling out muslims. yeah. mohammad and his mother is trying to free him. she says she has faith, the law will side with her family. pardon him, then i'll just either so horrible in northern india monitoring group say there's been an increase in attacks on muslims since hindu nationalist. a render mowdy became prime minister in 2014, in the administered kashmir. the only muslim majority state had his constitutional autonomy revoked in 2019 rights organizations have documented mass graves, torture and extra judicial killings carried out by the indian armed forces. in 2020
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dozens of people were killed in protests against a new citizenship law. that fast tracks nationality for some minorities, but excludes muslims laws against slaughter incatel, anti conversion legislation and benz on head scarves have legitimize discrimination against religious minorities, especially muslims. prime minister modi has been criticized for his silent on hate speech, which often comes from within his own party. ah. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess in new delhi bottom hahn is a journalist at the quint in kaci policy. k rodge is a lawyer at both the supreme court of india and the carol a high court, also in new delhi. i shook lie as a journalist and author a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story . thought, well, let me start with you today. so demonstrators and different cities have been protesting against the demolition of homes owned by muslims. the local government says that the buildings have been constructed illegally,
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but rights groups say that this is part of an attempt to intimidate muslims. is there any legal justification for the demolishing of these homes owned by muslims? and so you have to look at this in context of what's been happening in the country for the last couple of months. forget yours. but just in the last couple of months that has been a act on of this exact same thing happening. one after the other in b g who states, there is some violent sport between 2 community is all there is some sort of a small scale diet and or a class. and the very next day, or the b osgood, orbit of who's lim, houses are demolished. and the justification given on the one hand and also says that this is irene. funny storm because of those sleeping violence in society and on the other. and there are also given justification saying the normal, these egan houses. it is a bizarre coincidence, and it's not lost on anyone why these dimensions,
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i believe is just the last. the lions. why those accused of said, widens, are daily being punished in this space. i would like to do it then none of these people have been convicted of any kind. they have not that very if you have, even if i filed against them. so purely on the basis of accusations levied by this, the police said how his are being done with this, the whole this of it, of it. and many of them in fact the how that was demolished in allow by now when they all died. i was a young activist for laughing, father, my father, jolly woman, both of them and activate them. will be critical of the government. they have been politically yes now. and so when this is, i didn't really say this overnight. the this studio gave that a movie was put on that house after again, pm and saturday night and sunday afternoon. the house was the will, is the one getting it even legally. there is so much discrepancy because they. ringback weren't giving enough time who even so on. and when the something like
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this happens most of the day he doesn't indicate it. but you're also sending out the message through all the muslims of the country. that if you, he come to loudly against the only your house, the one place you're supposed to feel secure in the, of the demolish. and these to the now as is, let me get your perspective on this because you heard fatima there talk about some of these cases of, of well known activists who have had their houses demolish activists like momma java who she mentioned in her answer in. and you know, there are hindu nationalist, politicians who are known for their sectarian rhetoric against the countries. muslim minority. they have been calling on authorities to demolish the homes of people accused of crimes. does that not violate constitutional laws that ban collective punishment? she is, whereas i know there is a good spending with the love of the high road. and that is that this bulldozers
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were being wrung on the activists. you call actors, the police and bad musicians called them writers because i read back in yogurt dust is simultaneous. a really foreign and didn't go to water beard to stoning at various places in various. busy states so. busy busy the fact is that the court is to go on it asked for the fact that these people had the wrong end of the stick and. busy administration of the states punish them. it is also a fact that these notices of illegal construction was given back in may at used in the case of how much i'll be, who is in the center of everyone's attention. because his daughter she was also enrolled. busy in the protest in january and university pickup of years fact. so there had been a history of them speaking on issues where the government has no leg
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citizenship amendment act. and this present. so all said, all that being said, they do the fact that these activists have a history of. busy disturbing law and order at different places in the country. and there is also a history that these houses were given or this is a month back. it is not even though that notice was blasted on my job is house on the 11th of june and demolish and begin the authorities to justification is that he hadn't been applying to cds or ms cds off marcus's. and the last or this is the, can see that if you don't do it, it will be done on that. so that means those will be just the producers and the fact that they have gone to the end of the script that this has been done. if you had a few of us, but those are muslims,
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that would take it all into what has been project. but because remember in jobs we assimilate the militia drivers on the board until we stop the government contracts for them. i see that you want to jump in. i just want to go to to see 1st to get a legal perspective on this policy. we have heard from, from many in india, from shoals who have said that these demolitions are being done because of illegal construction. we have heard from many activists who have said that these demolitions are being done because it is a crackdown on descent and activism. from your perspective, are these, when these homes are being demolished, is that actually legal? thank you for the question. i believe the law is concerned, no not meant demolish, and without notice. secondly, laws do not permit and actually not taking revenge by the state in this manners. but what did lee in response to certain talk this which were made by the,
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by the members of muslim community. so these 2 aspect, i think of extremely important to note we are indeed still a democracy. and that is right to peacefully taught us the guarantees that the constitution on the dogs, the right to life, there is a space for descent and the country. you can criticize the government, you can disagree with the government. and every time you disagree with the government, the way the government is react to it by just using it's police power to and took an i few to provoke you and just go over those your home. then i would think that is becoming much less upper democracy than it ever was. and that does, that is the largest problem that we're facing on the long. it's in fact completely active typical to the constitutional values and surgical to the legislation which other place which provide for you process. do you notice the right to hearing and,
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but i feel about the rights which are part and parcel of the principles of justice . now must have been completed in most of these cases, radius people whose houses have been already demolished, do not know on what account has happened on the basis of which particular talk this on the basis of which political participation on what they have. this action being taken by the state, so you can see that that isn't absolute darkness as far as the allegations are concerned. and the cost that is imposed on the people who are as parking right. he was yet not convicted, but only accused of that enough. and is quite large, potentially they have been just run that homeless in a country that in the country that just not doing so well on welfare. make sure to begin with and over night rendering, being rendered homeless for actions whom you do not have any clue what you have exactly done is, is to try to be of the day. and i think that global leaders as well as noble family,
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need to take note of what is happening to the team these katie and trying to me putting, did muslim fall my, let me get back to you and i know you wanted to respond to what she was saying, so please go ahead, get a couple of payments very quickly. one. i mean, do you are being younger? she's 19 years or she's been living in nice to be on the wall. it was a give tom hood maternal grandfather, her mother, and she does me that for the last, when the family has been being ordered, that the house, that water, that all is, is in the mother's name. so one, it's the father who had been a few of the kind of a the mother was the how to that is that is your, the group is you know what? one if it is the mother was the house. why she'd be the father had actually one. but 2nd beef is for the sake of argument. if it isn't any good how,
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why has established, why does that administration be next step? think all of the house that says all the bills for the state. why would this be get it be never considered unpaid month before until in all these doing the court. okay . for the sake of argument, let's see then even how they get in line. so then you are saying that this house has been wanted but this be good. on your bended that'd be people don't put it up, think the police why and whether she gave bikes to the media, saying that or you know, these people are living in the field in that i to which one is it? is it that, that how does he go on? is it because that because the mean, if you bring in that and the minute you start seeing that or no, you know what these people give, if you don't, why they sent you an effective the thing that is that this is rendered seeing me that are by the if again,
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this is shape out of the book i'd like you to do. in fact, even if i go ahead and do want to bite that, if it doesn't do this demolition of how this against it's all to do. and it's been an estimate to be who this is even what this is, the state of being rent will against it, owns or the citizens will not be back in plastic. isn't actually just how you raising your hand or you want to jump in. go ahead. yeah, i don't want to jump in. i just want if you just want to make, if you get a fictitious, i'm going to be creating the charges against much. i'll be with eagle construction because being both, 1st of all, the house hasn't been demolished, the front of the house or part of it has to it could be trusted. it big would be 2 completely separate diesel as there is an issue of the legal construction which has been pursued for over a month. and there is an activity which happened
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a few days back for rich. more much of it was said to be the master. might not, she says i respect her opinion as you must have it. it is somewhere where she says that the one is sir, actually sent that door. these people who are behind it and that's why it's being done. the police had no to blame it, but it's all lead bent as a protection to the authorities. the local authorities that blow the barrage development authority he did was job is to see that encroachments and illegal concerns not destroy. not me can't john. we can not link or we can kind of elect the daughter and say that this has happened because of because these people were held responsible for a terrible royce to below a storm touring and wellness which happened in viagra here is number of jasmine were injured soon and so, so i'm, that these are 2 separate issues, but in case we want to see, let the court decide whether it was done within budget is,
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or there were 2 separate issues. that sure, as luck would have, it happened early, alongside fillasy. and this week there was a letter that was sent to the chief justice of india supreme court. there are 6 prominent former judges, and there are 6 senior lawyers who are saying that the government in utah pradesh state had acted illegally by demolishing the house of a muslim act of his following the protest. i want to ask you 1st, how significant is it that this letter is, is being sent in? i also want to ask you, you know, in your opinion, could the judiciary in india have done more to, to stop at these evictions, to stop the demolishing of these homes. has the judiciary been passive when it comes to allowing anti muslim policies to keep going on? the very important question, and i think we should 1st look at the context in which to the lack of some operates in india. so it is important to know what that coats in india, in particular the supreme court, if it next really interventionist and an activist court,
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it does not the original code. it does not death for decisions to basically get as much as the courts know in the u. k or in germany or media european countries. so this is the context in which we're talking about that we have a very active, very key good judicially. and if you look at how the dish is reacting to something which i would describe as, as the mental political try system, contemporary india. i would think that as a lawyer, i'm not quite optimistic about the course intervention code since 2014, especially the supreme court has been extremely deferential towards the federal government. it has to be adopting several tactics not to hear the case against the government and not to sort of make those remarks against the government in the fetus of jesus. and that had been instances where those that have been substantial rights violations. and the government was supposedly the culprit and
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the court a few to have a clear look at that. so this is the context in which we're talking about and 2014, in which we should assess whether we should, you know, we should keep some, some optimism. we should keep some holes in favor of the course, and i would think no, considering a see this up judgments which have come from the court in the past. yes. if you look at radius judgements, we will see that the court has been quite active in declaring aspects about civil liberty. for example, we have the judgement which said that adultery is no longer criminal offense. we have the judgement in the beach which said that the penal promotion, which prohibited i'm not sure text as a god, if i'm constitutional. but they have come to concrete political issues. but the central government is a hell of a new not necessarily the because the courts have been quite hesitant to interfere
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. so i would not keep any c ds, up to them on the supreme court or on any of the codes in this political juncture for them. i just want to take a step back for a moment and ask you of a broader question. that question is in, in your perspective, from your perspective, what does growing religious intolerance mean for the future of india? i mean then the la la la daisy oh hesitated, descended into the absolute nation that most are going to be when the name is betty, on the economy. but at the same time and the john listed to them being in the this is, this is one of many issues of discrimination by this dave, in a lot of cases it is done by that. if i maybe and more effective, you mean that is that muslim the dog thinking it isn't and in effect
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they feel like they don't belong on the country. that beach or the country that they do for you in the park to mean 947, they did not move on and and today, 75, you know, when things like these happen monday, there won't be long or it will be to the ben hill job waiting guys, g. food and qualities. it's not been my thinking and the only place been with the men i've had as effectively all of these things little by little that they make you less and less in the state of the country, especially when look i can tell you that would have been in the last 5 years, who have country or thinking of leaving this country because that's how difficult it has become to survive and also leave as dignified with it isn't. i will
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have a couple of minutes left. there have been protests that have been held in several cities against 2 former officials of the b. j. p. they had made remarks about the profit and hammered the many considered offensive. prime minister modi has so far not commented on the controversy over these remarks. why has he not said anything, especially at a time when there is so much criticism of the government stance? i gave you. what is the difference you know about noble sharma who was dismissed and said to be a fringe element by the v g p. this letter wouldn't have been dropped without the 5 minutes just because is repetition in the middle east in the other book is quite high on it has struck across the spectrum. right. and yet when you haven't gone along with your big so i say that when you say that there be other people who have made remarks against not getting the profit, i'm motivated. i've seen being not aware of it if you are seeing. so it must be
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because more the, at this juncture would not like to do whatever he has done in the last 8 years, whatever. but if your schemes have been initiated and they have been many because the region does gone enormously in the years, have been to have discrimination. very. those are what it has been. one particular issue has to be i'm just going to have come to power. and again, power in the form of the g, b in 2014. and this size of him do is definitely kind of trouble because it didn't new thing. and i didn't years of minorities like listening people, i just read natural anxious. and then this is none of that a 1000000 that is intensified and whenever small mob in one point g, b in people is made, it just made up, the nation is against muslims at the wrong level. i stacy be along uniform
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whenever there is an. busy attempt to say that india is listing in flames. i think it is legal. what the my because a lot, but also said about the getting the sipes. when you see the best, you see the it's a lot of knitting a game on particular dia to particular all of all say the most is game to done so forms in stopped wing and, but didn't equal and gosh, and policeman and all that. so that also his act and so for the neutral citizen because he's he knows that the profits mock. busy most made by a b p function, he was dismissed. ashe has been initiative, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there . thanks so much. all of our guests fatima, con to us he raj, and ash shook la and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time we're visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also,
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