tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera June 21, 2022 9:00pm-10:01pm AST
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bloomberg, some people say that they say globalization playing on, but that with that to think of every globalization are accomplished. speakers from heads of state to business and policy leaders will discuss evolving technology, education, culture, sustainability, and the impact on the economy. ah, ah, this is al jazeera ah hello, i'm adrian finnegan. this is that he was alive from doha, coming out for the next 60 minutes. a pressure campaign to undermine democracy. u. s. election. officials speak about coastal attacks and intimidation was donald trump at his age, tried to overturn the 2020 presidential election. a new flash point between russia
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and the e. u. moscow warms lithuania of severe consequences for banning the transit of sanctions goods to its baltic. outpost lodged, parts of britain grind to a halt of the biggest royal strike in 30 years. on a summer of discontent, of the wise and cost of living takes hold. also, stranded without water or shelter. tens of thousands of people are struggling for aid of the heavy rain triggers floods in parts of north east india or bangladesh and in sport and other gulf as star players, length fat to leave the pga tour being reported that former well, number one books cap will join the family back live series that had to the united states for a nother tournaments. ah, the us house committee examining the events leading up to last years wyatt's
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capitol hill has been hearing from state election officials. they said they were personally pressured by former president, donald trump, to overturn the results of the 2020 election to swing states that have been in focus during tuesday's hearing a ga at arizona. first up was arizona's house speaker. speak a rusty bowers who spoke about what trumpet is that lawyer, rudy giuliani asked him to do that. i would allow an official committee at at the capital so that they could hear this evidence and that we could take action thereafter. and, and i refused. i said, up to that time the, the circus i called in circus had been brewing with lots of demonstrations, both at the counting center at the capital and other places. and i didn't want to have that in the house. i did not feel that the ovens granted in its absence, merited a hearing, and i didn't want to be used as a pon. joining us,
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i was charles bought before he is a professor of political science at the university of georgia. good teddy with us a professor, what do you make of what you heard him speak about as testimony? speaker bowers did what a number of public officials all of them. i think republicans did. and that is to push back against the lies of being promulgated by the president and by the presence legally. so these were republicans who are being told that is good republicans. they should put their thumb on the scale until the whole election in favor of trump's favorite trunk. but they were more committed to the rule of law and the constitution. and they pushed back and to a man refused to do it. it's explained to us professor, i mean to, to our international audience. why this testimony from speak of ours and what we like to hear from georgia, secretary of state, broad reference book today. what, why is it so important here?
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this would be yeah, it was an attempt to steal an election. now there's only been election stolen at the local level, but never anything like this has been attempted. the presidential level balances already been counted, so there was no question about that. so what was being asked of these officials was to essentially throw out legitimately cast balance when trump spoke with brad roddenberry, who was the secretary of state of georgia official responsible for sorta violations . he said, go find me almost 12000 votes. well, you know, you don't just find 12000 votes, you'd have to manufacture them out of an air. what president trump hope would be done would be in georgia, arizona, and several other states that the republican officials would. they put their thumb on the scale and would take away what the, the public can chose, and that is the public had chosen each of those states to vote for joe biden. and the president wanted that to be disregarded and somehow manufacture an alternative
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. and we're hearing that these officials not only were being pressured by trump administration, or campaign officials to go against the oath here, but they were also subject to 2 impersonal intimidation and threats. was very true, right? yeah, i think that here in georgia, there were threats made against the secretary robins burger threats against his wife that she would be subjected to sexual violence on there were people who are showing up in front of the houses of these officials and george and some other states and the mere presence of people showing up you don't know and who are protesting in your front yard. it's bound to be somewhat intimidating and worrying that this doesn't normally happen or worse than the internet makes it possible for all kinds of people to issue threat. saw them through the,
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the quote of anonymity that the internet provides. so in georgia, i had to provide no police protection for rapid burger, i believe also for gauge. sure. and his assistant with poll showing a professor that has a certain amount of the electorate still believes that the 2020 election was stolen on these hearings. is this evidence going to make any difference in changing that opinion? i don't think we'll make a major difference. no polling we've done here in georgia, shows that most republicans in georgia still believe that trump is right. somebody says that the alleged was stolen. now where it may make a difference and probably will make a difference, will be in writing what the history books are going to say about this. and also, i think bring in and perhaps of maybe make it more difficult for trump if he decides to try to run in 2024 by changing the attitudes and confirming the belief of se, independence without forming, committed either party,
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be convincing them of the audacity of what crop was trying to do is leave early galaxy and therefore convincing that swing side of the allies. but no, he should never be in public office again. it's been really good to talk to professor many thanks again for being with. charles spoke with the university if georgia esco live at the capitol hill, algiers. hydro, castro is that force? how do you, what do you make of what we've heard so far? wagering it's, it's interesting and important to keep in mind that just as the professor said, this isn't without the eyes of history. well remember in judge what happened on january 6th and what this panels calling the fraud, this scheme that led to the violence of that moment and time and time again, we've heard the committee members say that it was the institutions of the american democracy that held up against this scheme that did not lead a former president,
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trump succeed in what they call his attempted coo and to day. what's important is this committee is showing who makes up the so called institution. it is these republican election officials from swing states like arizona and from, from georgia. we know we're just talking about the house speaker of arizona, rusty bowers, who is in a vow, republican, quoting ronald reagan talked me about the pressure intensely that he felt in the days following arizona's votes going toward joe biden. as the presidential winner, he described phone calls with the former president's attorney, rudy giuliani, also with another attorney, john eastman, in which both men pressured him to take measures that he saw as unconstitutional. and he said to them that he swore an oath to the constitution and that he had faith that the constitution was divinely inspired. that it was against his what very being to go along with what he was being asked to do to throw out the will of the
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people, the voters of the state of arizona. very powerful testimony coming from this source . and as you mentioned, we will also be hearing from the secretary of state of georgia. brad reference burger, another avowed republican, who, infamously stood up to trump himself in that phone call, in which the former president asked specifically 411700 and 80 votes, which he himself said was one more than what biden had one in the state of georgia . in order for george's vote to go to trump instead. so very powerful testimony, still expected to come or at what the us public making of all of this it is business going any way to toward changing opinion. right. i think i agree with what our gas just said, that the people's opinions on this is extremely steeped in the polling hasn't really shown the needle move on this though,
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there has been relatively high viewership of these public hearings. but another practical outcome from these hearings maybe nudging the department of justice toward making a criminal case against some of these actors, including the former president himself, donald trump, at we've seen that these testimonies from the witnesses that we're hearing up in this congressional panel will be transmitted to the department of justice for their criminal investigation. and it is important to remember that the biggest target here in the investigators eyes is likely still, donald trump is still all about him. and this is what members of the panel are drawing viewers back to every time they're trying to prove that he no willingly tried to overthrow the election. and that he hear that he knew what he was doing was wrong, which would go to prove criminal intent that necessary element that is so difficult to prove. but that this, the congressional committee here,
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as well as the d o j are certainly zeroing in on our zeros. how does jocasta reporting live from capitol hill id? many thanks, dude. a russian outpost in the baltic, scullen and grabbed as emerged as a new frontier of tension between moscow and the european union over ukraine. russia threatened lithuania with serious consequences. alfred halted rail transit of several sanctioned goods to the russian exclaimed out as the rest of the cane reports from berlin. this is the main port in colleen in grat. it's facilities are important to the russian economy. for this is the only all year round ice free port, the country has on the baltic sea. many products essential for the local population in the russian exclaimed, come by sea, but many more come by land and are now being stopped. and if people in the stalls are to be believed, e u sanctions are hurting crispin or it's a story. i think we should pack up our belongings and leave because you can't go
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anywhere. this has never happened. i think not only me, many people are planning it now or even regretting that they are living in colleen ingram reaching out to you. those sanctions target specific license that transit you territory, in this case fire rail through lithuania to and from russia that sanction goods a steel and other arg was made from iraq law will no longer be allowed to transit early thing. it is done with consultation with the european will european commissioner and under the european commission guidelines. in many ways, claiming grad is a historical anomaly once part of what was called east prussia taken by the soviet union from nazi germany at the end of world war 2. then became part of the wider you ssr. but when that country died in the early 19 ninety's, the russian federation chose to hold on to coline grad. and so it became an exclaim, separated from russia proper by the newly independent baltic states. which helps
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explain why officials in moscow are so agitated by the impact of sanctions. and have warned the people of lithuania to expect retaliation for their government's actions at that premium. because this example shows that you cannot trust either verbal statements by the west or written ones. no, russia will certainly respond to such hostile actions about appropriate measures are being worked out between departments and will be taken in the near future. their consequences will have a serious negative impact on the population of lithuania. while it's a threat, some lithuanians have long anticipated baltic renters differently from many other countries of european union. didn't have any illusions about that rule or attempts, and they d a. so for russia, a threat to one or all of the baltic states would constitute a threat to nato. many in the atlantic alliance maintain an armed presence there. this was the german chancellor visiting his country soldiers in lithuania,
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just 2 weeks ago. like many other european leaders, olaf shots says his country will defend every centimeter of nato territory. dorner cain, al jazeera berlin. joining us now from brussels is rasa yuki ivy sharla, who's a member of the european parliament and was the furious defense minister. it's good to have you with us. what do you make of, of russia's statement that any measures russia takes would harm the population of, of lithuania, is that a threat? there's a whole list. i am is not applying an in national unilateral restrictions and a, it's a transit is going and knocks it yet been not stopped all bent, not at all at bessengers. ah, going guess the way go in and lives owned in sanctions where implemented
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4th package of sanctions in march. and now it's time gain time or for implementation or russia and you everything. can i glance and only steal and myron, is the not allowed to go through? i see this sedation, the as a more as a kremlin in formation information at dance. where they are doing used to do all the time. and now they are doing may be because the important to you and nato summit succumbing, they are trying to threaten all of us. not only to feign yet, but these 2 important alliances are bigger. so they think that m as them would have, will be afraid is, can't live in vector, maybe because of that as somebody. but the thing that zoom is so they will stop her
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a supporter for ukraine. oh, maybe they are thinking about some kind of like scenario, some kind of dead escalation of the war in the ukraine trying to use this, these escalations or threatening banks by trying as they looked or mentioned it to him, everybody to miss. all right, so your argument is that, that russia is making noise here. but if it, if it came to any kind of military action against lithuania, are you confident? but as a nato member, the alliance would come to lithuania as aid. of course, of course the course is not so then it will be no need to at all, of course finish a is trying to just nato, to test the, at the alliances are. but today, you know, are they know that it will themselves, to who they are?
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i can any good at region is now a less? am that deployments are oh, good mill? is it a better chanel or less than it was before the war against you? great. because they need to, there's an element, is that a personnel in ukraine? so we know this also, we know that there are no nothing, no new movements made their movements around. up to now up, put jo, this moment i speak with you. it is the noise. it is the information attack, because yesterday today, many a media outlets inform that loosely near block, somehow this transit is not true. so this is, this is what the, a russia used to do and is doing all the time with information warfare lies formed. and maybe for domestic affairs as well. all right, with you and it is
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a part of the e. u. these are you sanctions. one has to wonder though why tiny lithuania would be doing this at the best of the you it's it's, it's got to poking a bear with a stick, isn't it? asking for trouble, but we're not doing go so such as agreement of that. at 27, the gretsch's unilateral unit and in one was a dr. sanctions the 15th of march, a voice package lay death. this package 6 package. so we are part of the in the union. and of course russia has to be banished. it sanctions the course of the war, the launched, brutal blendy war, the killing people. so it's a, it's a they, they, they can immediately solve this program would sanction send with the red jans as well if, if they will stop this war. so everybody asked them to stop this war. it's been
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really good to talk to you many thanks. indeed for being with us, much appreciated rasa. you know, if it's yona the in brussels rosters, president says that he's planning to fully modernize the military for a bit. vladimir putin says it's in response to the growing threats from outside the country. plans include making rushes ground troops more combat effective for future conflict, conflicts, positions, lashania. we will continue to develop and strengthen our armed forces, taking into account potential military threats and risks based on the lessons of modern armed conflicts. and then a priority is equipping troops with new weapons systems that will determine to combat effectiveness of the army and navy. in the years and decades to come, in addition to the new weapons already tested, troops are receiving s 500 air defense and missile defense system that are unmatched in the world. yoyo in ukraine, the school in the east and on that screech and has been hit by russian shelling original governor released this footage,
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showing the building in flames in the city of, of the of co. it's a one of about a, a 200 schools destroyed across the don't ask region, has been fist fighting with several weeks of washington ukrainian forces battle for control of the east will. the situation there in ukraine's east and south has been described as stale, made both sides a suffering heavy losses. alice's child stratford sat down with president vladimir zalinski, his advisor, and spoke to him about what lies ahead. you said that there would never be any kind of deal to potentially seed territory to russia. how realistic is that? when you look at an area of, of land, the size of crimea, for example, an area of land in order to take control back of it. militarily, will involve potentially billions, more dollars worth of western weapons and thousands of lives. louis did, there are no stop, get any surrender of ukrainian territory would mean the war would continue with greater intensity. and on an even greater scale here,
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you should not see russia as an honest negotiating partner and say legal agreements with it is not believing it will be credible and honored in 2 or 3 years. it's russia is expansionist to the go. so it exists only by attacking other states as it attacks in various ways of using its energy resources. it's military migration for using food as a weapon before acquaint can never santa deal with russia in this context expensive . therefore, the president clearly asked western pioneers to participate in this war because ukraine doesn't have the military sources that russia has a, we want to finish this war the right way, are going. and that means liberating our territories in full, but other, and re establishing our sovereignty with an internationally recognized borders. this is good figured out. so do you believe everything that western leaders like president micron, like all of shots, for example, say, giving you. certainly in rhetoric, wholehearted support. when you look at the facts, we're looking potentially a global recession, a global food crisis, rising inflation,
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huge challenges with gas supplies to europe in winter. how long do you honestly think that the europeans can continue this level of support? whether it gets down like his neighborhood, but in some countries living standards are dropping because of the situation in ukraine on it. but this is an all out war when it's happening on european territory did. so of course i'm living standards are decreasing, which because europeans are indirectly involved in this war monster, they are paying for the expenses of this war. i understand they want to preserve their pre war life and comforts. and nobody wants bad news. but if russia gains more territory, it will think its tactics and strategy of humiliating other countries work so in all, and it will continue black mailing europe or in what you say to you countries who say that you are not yet ready for you candidacy status. and yes, there are values that are worth living for that any quinn is proving on the battlefield, that these values cost lives. they are european values. secondly,
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i don't understand why you candidacy cannot be seen as an opportunity for ukraine to make the reforms we need for membership. unfortunately, not every country understands the sea and is unnecessarily speculating that ukraine is not ready. but europe is important for ukraine and that works both ways linear. the war and ukraine has slowed the economic recovery from the pandemic across the world. and so to record inflation of several countries, a rising discontent in the u. k. the biggest rail strike and 3 decades is on the weight workers at abounding better wages to cope with inflation, of the okay, which is currently running at 9 percent of the zeros poll brennan reports from london. london's waterloo station is one of britain's biggest and busiest, but not today. not this week. 3 alternative strike days on tuesday, thursday, and saturday, interspersed with 3 days of minimal service. mean travel, misery for millions. that's kind of disruption. it's just ridiculous. everyone
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knows well paid. i was a journey coming from target and i was supposed to take the twin to swap out the comments on 4 types was fine by now. going to 7th, going to take me very, very long journey because we wanted to march and everybody like message on the group that is heavy traffic on the road. the only around 20 percent of the normal services running and only on half of the network, mainly the lines running into big cities in many rural and regional areas. there is no train service at all. the dispute between the r m t rel union and the employers network rail and the train operating companies is largely of a pay and the impact of inflation on work is wages. but the government, which directly finance is network rail, has also ordered it to find 2 and
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a half $1000000000.00 of savings. network rail sets as possible. if staff accept new working practices, but the union says that will means 3000 job losses and jeopardize safety. they want to rip up our terms and conditions that we've negotiated with the companies. they're even threatening to lower pay an extend work hours in the train operating companies. and the majority of our members have not had a pay increase for 2 to 3 years. so we've got a lot of problems. we will continue to do all we can to find that sweet spot of compromise, but it's affordable for, for the employers. affordable for the taxpayer. affordable for the fat tire. and b r n t, and our employees can live with at his regular meeting of cabinets, prime minister boris johnson, branded the strikes is unnecessary and wrong. he called on the british public to stay the course during what's expected to be a lengthy disruption. u. k. economy is experiencing the combined effect of breakfast, war and ukraine, and its effect on energy costs,
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as well as the inflationary pressure of the post pandemic recovery. and railway is not the only ones complaining. the r m p is one of britain's strongest union. some might say, most militants have unions with their ability to paralyze the rail network during an industrial dispute. but the concerns that the r n t have race about the difference between peoples pay packets and the cost of living at the moment. the rate of inflation shared across many different industries and other professions teachers, doctors, nurses, local government workers, all have pay deals in the pipeline with the government and they're likely to be offered less than the rate of inflation. and that means a summer of discontent is looming, poll brennan, i'll just era waterloo station where go to return out of the u. s. congress where it's the 4th hearing of the house committee investigating the january 6th, 2021 capitol hill. right. the focus is on how full president donald trump tried to pressure officials in swing states where he had lost an hour or so ago we heard
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from rusty bows, arizona's state at house speaker. we're about to hear from a bribe reference burger, georgia secretary of state in early january 2020 president trump. then president trump pressured reference burger to quote to find him in our foods, to overturn the presidential election. vaguely threatened him with a criminal offense during our long telephone call, according to an audio recording of the conversation. so let's listening once again to proceedings as we about the we're about to hear that testimony from brad reference book. as i stated in our last hearing, if you have relevant information or documentary evidence to share with the select committee, we welcome your cooperation. but we will share some of our findings with you today . sector rason burger. thank you for being here today. you've been
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a public servant in georgia since 2015 sir infers as a member of the georgia house of representatives. and then since january 2019 as georgia, the secretary of state, as a sale, describe conservative republican it is. is it fair to say that you wanted president trump to win the 2020 election? yes, it is. most secretary, many witnesses have told the select committee that election day, november 3rd, 2020 was a largely uneventful day in their own states. in spite of the challenges of conducting an election, doing a pandemic, you wrote in the washington post, that election was quote, successful. tell us, what was your impression of how election date had proceeded in georgia on election day and november? our election went remarkably smooth. in fact, we meet at the gym
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a headquarters at the georgia energy emergency management association, meeting location. but we are following wait time said line in the afternoon. our average wait time was 3 minutes statewide. we are recording pervert, various precincts. they'd actually got down to 2 minutes and at the end of the day, we felt that we had a successful election from the standpoint of the administration and the operation of the election. thank you. the chair recognized, gentleman from california was to shoot. thank you, miss sherman, secretary, rapids for her da, joe biden, when the 2020 presidential election and georgia, and by what margin of president vine carried the state of georgia by approximately 12000 votes and mr. sector. as i understand your office took several steps to ensure the accuracy of the vote count and georgia. reviewing the vote count and at least 3 different ways. these steps included a machine recount of forensic audit and
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a full hand recount of every one of the $5000000.00 ballots cast. did these efforts, including a recount literally every ballad cast in the state of georgia confirmed the result . yes they did. we counted the abouts with the 1st tabulation would be scanned. then when we did the, our 100 percent hand audit of the entire of 5000000 bouts in the state of georgia. all cash in place, all absentee ballots. they were all henry county. they came remarkably close to the 1st count and then upon the election being certified present dropped because he was hidden within half percent. excuse me, could ask for a recount. and then we recounted him again to the scanner said we got remarkably, the same count. 3 counts all remarkably close, which showed the president trump did come up short. nevertheless, as you will see, the president and his allies began making began making numerous false allegations of voter fraud and false allegations that you and mister sterling among others had to address mister sterling
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a thank you also for being here to day falling the 2020 election in addition to your normal duties, i understand that you became a spokesperson to try to combat this information about the election. and the danger was crating for elections officials among others. in december, 1 press conference, you addressed some of your remarks directly to president trump. let's take a look at what you said that day mister president. it looks like you likely lost the state of georgia. where investigating, there's always a possibility, i get it, you have the rights to go to the course, what you don't have the ability to do and need to step up and say, this is stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence so much you get hurt someone didn't get shot, someone's gonna get killed. and it's not right. i. it's not right. this is showing what prompted you to make these remarks,
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mr. schiff, we had had a previously scheduled press conference that day as we were in the habit of doing, trying to be as transparent as we could about the election in the count's going on . um, a little after lunch that day, a lunch time i received a call from the project manager from dominion voting systems who was oddly audibly shaken. she's not the kind of person i would assume would be that way. she is a mattress from mit, a graduate naval academy and was very much on the ball, pretty unflappable. and she informed me about a young contractor. they had who had been receiving threats from us, a video been posted by some q and on supporters. and at that point we had been sort of been steeping in this kind of stuff. we were, it was around us all the time. so i didn't take note of it more than adding to the pile of other stuff we were having to deal with. and i did pull up twitter and i scroll through it and i saw the young man's name. there was particular tweet thick . for lack of better word was a straw that broke the camel's back. i had the young man's name. very unique name.
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i believe the 1st generation american and said had his name, you committed treason. may god have mercy on your soul with a slowly twisting gift of a noose. an for lack of a better word, i lost it. i just got i rate um my boss is with me the time the deputy secretary jordan fish. and she could tell that i was angry of turning. i tend to turn red from here up when that happens and that happened at that time. and she called secretary raffles burger to say we're seeing these kind of threats. and gabe thinks we need to say something about it. and secretary said yes, and that's what prompted me to do what i did. i lost my temper, but it seemed necessary at the time because it was just getting worse and i don't, i could not tell you why that particular one was the one that put me over the edge, but it did not. after you made this plea the president did, donald trump urge his supporters to avoid the use of violence,
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not to my knowledge. now as we know, the president was aware of your speech because he tweeted about it later that day. let's take a look at what the president said in the tweet. donald trump claims that there was quote, massive voter fraud in georgia. a. mr. sterling, that was just plain false, wasn't it? yes, sir. nevertheless, the very next day on december 2nd, president trump released the lengthy video again, making false claims of election fraud in georgia. let's take a look at what he said. this time. they found thousands and thousands of us that were out of whack oil against me. in fact, the day after donald trump released that video. so now we're talking just 2 days after the emotional warning that you gave that someone's going to get killed. representatives of president trump appeared in georgia, including rudy giuliani and launched a new conspiracy theory that would take on
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a life of its own and threatened the lives of several innocent election workers. this story falsely ledges that sometime during election night election workers at the state farm arena in atlanta, georgia kicked out pole observers after the observer's left. the story goes. these workers pulled so called suit cases of ballots from under a table and ran those ballads through counting machines multiple times. completely without evidence. president trump and his allies claimed that these suitcases contained as many as 18000 ballads all for joe biden. none of this was true, but rudy giuliani appeared before the georgia state senate and played a surveillance video from state farm arena falsely claiming that it showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample of what much mr. juliani had to say during that hearing. and when you look at what you saw or on the video, which to me was a smoking,
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gun powerful smoking gun. i don't have to be achieved to figure out what happened. i don't have to be and she has to figure out that those votes are not legitimate vote. you don't put legitimate votes under a table and no wait until you throw. busy the opposition out and in the middle of the night count them. we would have to be fools to think that percent trumps campaign, amplify giuliani's false testimony, and a tweed pushing out the video footage. juliani likewise pushed out his testimony on social media. as you can see in this tweet, mister julian, he wrote that it was quote, now beyond doubt unquote, and fulton, county democrats had stolen the election. later in this hearing will hear directly from one of the election workers in this video about the effect these lies had on her and on her family. mr. sterling, did the investigators in your office review the entire surveillance tape from the
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state farm arena on election night? they actually reviewed approximate 48 hours going over the time period where action was taking place at the um, to counting center and state farm marina. and what did the tape actually show? depending on which time you want to start? because as was mentioned, this conspiracy theory took on a life of its own where they completed a water main break. there wasn't a water main break and throwing observers out in a series of other things when it actually showed was fulton county election workers engaging in normal ballot processing. i'm one of the specific things. one of these was very frustrating, was the so called suitcases amounts from under the table. if you watch the entirety of the video, you saw that these were election workers who were under the impression they were gonna get to go home. around 101030 people are putting on their coats. they're putting ballots that are prepared to be scanned into ballad carriers that are then sealed with tamper proof seals so that they can, you know,
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they're not messed with ah, and the, it's an interesting thing because you watch all, there's 4 screens of the video. and as you're watching it, you can see the electron monitors on the corner with the press as they're taking these valley carriers and putting them under the under the table. you see it there . one of the other hidden ones, if you looked at the actual tape was on the outside of the table just from the camera angle, you couldn't see it originally. and this goes under the no good deed goes unpunished. we were told that we were at jima, as the secretary pointed out, and we were under that, we were told that it looked like they were shutting down the fulton county accounting site. secretary express some displeasure at that because we wanted to get every everybody keep counties would get to the results. and no was that was happening. so our lexus director called their elections director, who was at another location because this was election day. there was 2 different places were ballot, things were being done by the fulton county office. oh. and so he called the auction drug fulton, then call ralph jones, who was at the state from marina and said, what the heck are you doing?
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go ahead and stay. as you watch the video itself, you see him take the phone call as people are putting things away, getting ready to leave. you can tell for about 1520 seconds. he does not want to tell these people, they have to stay. he walks over, he thinks about a for a 2nd. he seemed come back to the corner of a desk and kind of swamped his shoulders as okay, all we gotta keep on counting. and then you see him take their coats off, get the balance out. and then a secondary thing you'll see on there is you'll have people who are counting ballots, who a batch will go through. they will take them off and run that through again. what happens there is a standard operating procedure. if there is a mis scan, if there's a misalignment, if it doesn't read, right, these are high speed, high capacity scanners, so 3 or 4, we'll go through after a missed scan at the delete that batch and put it back through again. and by going through the hand tally, as secretary pointed out, we showed that have had there been multiple ballot scanned without a your corresponding physical ballot. your counts would been
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a lot higher than the balance themselves. and by doing the hand talley, we saw 2 specific numbers that were met, met the hand, talley got us to a point 1053 percent off of the total votes cast. and point 0099 percent on the margin, which is essentially dead on accurate. most academic studies say on a hand towel you will have between one and 2 percent. but because we use ballot martin devices where it's very clear with a voter intended made a lot easier to us, forced to conduct the hand count and show that none of that was true. now i understand the term when you review these tapes and did the analysis, it just proved this comes conspiracy theory. but you still had to take a lot of steps to try to make sure the public knew the truth about his allegations . and you did frequent briefings for the press. let's take a look at one of those press briefing. so mr. sterling that you held on december 7th. to make the point that you're just in today of on to what i'm gonna call this information monday. out of the gate. oh,
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many of you all saw the videotapes day for marina. i spent hours with our post certified investigators. just engraving of us be spent hours with us going over this video to explain to people that what you saw. the secret suit cases of, of magic ballads were actually ballots that had been packed into this an absentee ballot carriers by the workers in plain view of the monitors and the press. and what's really frustrating is the president attorneys had this same videotape. they saw the exact same things the rest of us can see, and they chose to mislead state senators and the public about what was on that video. i'm. i'm quite sure that they will not characterize the video to try to enter into evidence because that is the kind of thing that could be the sanctions because it's obviously untrue. they knew it was untrue and they continue to do things like this is to sterling despite the efforts by your office to combat this misinformation misinformation, by speaking out publicly and through local media,
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you are unable to match the reach to present trumps platform and social media. megaphone spreading these false conspiracy theories. what was it like to compete with a president who had the biggest bully pulpit in the world to push out these false claims? for lack of a better word, it was frustrating. but oftentimes i felt our information was getting out that that there was a read us since people who needed to. ready be that to believe it because the president had his states whom many looked up to and respected was telling them it wasn't true. despite the facts. and i have characterized at one point, it was kind of like a shovel trying to empty the ocean. and yes, it was frustrating. i even have, you know, family members who i had to argue with about some of these things and i would show them things. and the problem you have, as you get into people's hearts,
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i remember this one specific an attorney that we know that we showed a walk him through. this wasn't true, okay, get, this wasn't true, okay. i get that. this was a good 5 or 6 things. but at the end he goes, i just know my heart that she did as i said, and so once you get past the heart, the facts don't matter as much. and our job from our point of view is to get the facts out your job. tell the truth, file the constitution, follow the law and defend the institutions and the institutions held. let's take a look at what you were competing with. this is former, the former president, speaking in georgia on december 5th. i don't know, fraud is overwhelming. and again, i would ask you to look up at that very, very powerful and very expensive screen hitting cases and possible ballads are rolled out from under a table for people under a cloud of suspicion. oh,
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are you using the crime or what those never grad workers were doing? and by the way, there was no water main break. you know, they said that there was no void. remember, that's 10 times more than i need to when they say 10 times more. it's 10 times maybe more than that, but it's 10 times more because we lost by a very close number. this committee's hearing last monday we heard from senior federal law enforcement officials from the senior, most of federal law enforcement official in atlanta. at the time. you asked attorney for the northern district b j pack as well as the former attorney general bill bar. they both testified that the allegations were thoroughly investigated and found to have no merit. here is us attorney pack they go tiffany, there are. i told them that we looked into it, we've done several things, including interviewing the witnesses. i listened to the pace and review the
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videotape myself and that there was nothing there. juliani was wrong, representing that it was suitcase full balance. and here's what attorney general bill bar had to say about the same allegations. took a look hard look at this ourselves and based on our review of 8, including the interviews of the key witnesses, the fulton county allocations were, had no merit. we also have testimony from senior department of justice officials establishing that they specifically told the president trump these allegations had been thoroughly investigated and were completely without merit. he was acting attorney, a deputy attorney general, richard donahue, describing a phone conversation and which he specifically told president trump that these allegations were false and kept fixating on the suitcase that supposedly had for
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doing ballads from the suitcases. we rolled out from under the table and i said, no, so there is no suitcase you can watch the video over and over. there is no suit case . there was a wheeled van where they were the carry the balance no matter how many times senior department of justice officials, including his own attorney general, told the president that these allegations were not true. president trump kept promoting these lies and putting pressure on state officials to accept them. on january 2nd, the president had a lengthy telephone conversation with secretary reference burger. prior to the presence call though, i want to share a bit of important context. first, the white house, including the former presents chief of staff, mark meadows repeatedly called or texted the secretary's office some 18 times in order to set up this call. they were quite persistent. second, cheapest that mark meadows took the extraordinary step of showing up
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a signature audit site in georgia, where he met with secretary rapids. burger's chief investigator francis watson who was supervising that audit process. behind me is the photograph from that visit. 3rd, the day after meadows george a visit, he set up a call between president trump and francis watson. on the call between president trump and georgia investigator francis watson, the former president continued to push the false claim that he'd won the state of georgia. let's listen to that part of the conversation or job in the country right now, because it, we went ahead and we were not going to win right down because people are so angry at what happened to me didn't know i wasn't what by hundreds of thousands of wasn't lowe's. and in this next clip he told the state law
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enforcement official that she be praised. if she found the right answer. i mean, i don't know why here. so hard. hoping people will say great. what had that ability secondly, right. everyone knows it's wrong. no way is rothenberg. i know you weren't on this call, but that you have listened to it present. trump didn't win by hundreds of thousands of votes in georgia. diddy. no, it did not. i've been traveling through the state of georgia for a year now and a simply put in a nutshell, what happened in the fall of 2020 is 828000 george and skip the presidential race. and yet they voted down valid in other races. and the republican congressman ended
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up getting 33000 more votes them. president trump, and that's why uh, president trump came up short. thank you mister secretary. the president, a honest call doesn't stop here. and let's listen to another part of the conversation between president trump and ms. watson. anyway, it's an important thing for the country. so important no ideas on board. i very much appreciate it. whatever you can do, francis, this is the president of the united states, calling an investigator looking into the election, which he is a candidate and asking her to do whatever you can do. mister secretary, he placed this call to your chief investigator on september 23rd 2020. the 2nd medea's receive text messages indicating that mark meadows wanted to send some of the investigators in her office. in the words of one white house aide, a shitload of poto stuff, including coins, actual autograph maga, hats,
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et cetera. whitehouse staff intervened to make sure that didn't happen. it was clear at the time of this call that the former president had his sites set on january 6th. listen to this portion when he told francis watson about a very important date going with a very important day. an important date, of course, was the joint session of congress, where george's electoral votes would be counted for joe biden, a little a little over a week after this call to francis watson. the president was finally able to speak with you secretary reference burger baron mind. as we discussed this call to day that by this point in time, early january, the election and georgia had already been certified. but perhaps more important. the president of the united states had already been told repeatedly by his own top justice department officials,
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that the claims he was about to make to about master fraud and georgia were completely false. mister secretary, the call between you and the present lasted at 67 minutes over an hour. we obviously can't listen to the entire recording here to day, although it is available on the select committees website will listen to selected excerpts of it now. so that we can get your insights. let's begin with the president, raising the thoroughly debunked allegations of suit cases of ballots, an official, a voter, but they were in what looked to be 2 suitcases or drugs a suit cases. but they weren't in, in voter boxes. the minimum number, it could be because we watched it and they, they watched it for certified in slow motion. instant replay of you can believe it, but the slow motion and it was magnified many times over. and the minimum it was, was $18000.00 balance all for by and these are the allegations that the department
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justice, the attorney general, the georgia bureau investigation and your office heads all said were false. is that right? correct. and even more importantly, when b j pac resigned, as you attorney, the northern district president trump appointed as acting us attorney, the northern district bobby christine and bobby christine looked at that and he was quoted the ha c that he found nothing. and he dismissed that case. early august. thank you mister secretary, the present references suitcases are trunks. mister sterling, were the objects seen in these videos, suitcases or trunks, or were they just the ordinary containers that are used by election workers? they're stand up standard ballot carriers that allow for sales to be put on them, so that are tamper proof. and finally, the present claims that there was a minimum of $18000.00 ballads, somehow smuggled in all for biden. i take it to a gentleman that was also categorically false. there's no a,
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there's no physical way. he could know who those balance were for was secondarily, we had fulton county for years, has been an issue in our state when it comes to election. so we had it, they had a very difficult time during the primary and large part because of cov, it. so we had put them under a consent to free. the secretary got negotiated where we had a monitor on site, and his name is carter jones and he took a notation. he had gone from state farm to the english st warehouse to look at the election activities. but before he left the state farm arina, he noted how many bows had been counted on each one of the machines. and when he came back after we found out they were working again, he took note again and when they closed. and i believe the final number was something on 8900 total bowels were scans the time he left to the time by 1230 or 1 o'clock in the morning. so way below 18000. let's please. the next clip area was long as i said, there is no way, but they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night. you know that bread?
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mister secretary, did somebody drop drop a lot of votes there late at night? no. oh, i believe that the president was referring to some of the counties when they would upload, but the ballots had all been accepted and had to be accepted by state law by 7 pm. so there were no additional bounce accepted after 7 pm. let's play the next clip in which the prison megs claims about so called dead voters. the other thing dead people, so dead people voted. and i think the, the number is in the pri, i'd close to 5000 people. and they went to a, b, u r e. they went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number and a minimum is close to about $5000.00 voters. so secretary, did your office, investigate whether those allegations were accurate? did 5000 dead people in georgia vote? no, it's not accurate. and actually in there lawsuits they alleged 10315 dead people.
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we found 2 dead people when i wrote my letter to congress, that's dated january 6th and subsequent to that, we found 2 more. that's 1234 people, not 4000, but just a total for not 10005000. what's for the next clip? and there's nothing wrong with saying that you know. 2 that you've recalculated because in 2000 to 36, an absentee ballots, i mean they're, they're all back numbers that were, were done by accounting firms, law firms, agenda. and even if you cut them in half, cut them in half and get them in half again. it's more vote than we need the secretary, is there any way that you could have the lawfully changed the result in the state of georgia and somehow explained it away as a recalculation? no, the numbers are the numbers. the numbers don't lie. we had many allegations and we
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investigated every single one of them that i challenge my team. did we miss anything? they said that there was over $66000.00 under each voters, we found that there was actually 0. you can register to vote in georgia. you're 17 and half, you have to be 18 by election day. we check that out. every single voter, they said that there was 2004 and 23 non registered voters. there was 0. they said that there was 2056 felons. we identified less than $74.00 or less, never actually still a felony sentence. every single allegation we checked, we ran down the rabbit trail to make sure that our numbers were accurate. so there's no way you could have recalculated it except of by fledging the numbers. the numbers were the numbers and we could not recalculate because we had made sure that we had checked every single allocation. and we have many investigations. we have nearly 300 from the 2020 election mister secretary trying to push back when the prison made these unsupported claims whether they were about suit cases of
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ballots or that biden votes were counted 3 times. let's play the next clip. if they did not put that we, we can, we did an audit of that and approved in closely that they were not scan 3 times. don't get much credit. that will send you the link from w. i see that i don't care rattling, i don't need it. i haven't had much that. i haven't been to the federalist util . the president would send him a link from wsp, which i understand is a local television station that had a unedited video from the state farm arina. but the person wasn't interested in that. he said he had a much better link. mister secretary at the time that you were on the call with the president as we have shown, both the api i and the georgia bureau investigation and proven these claims to be nonsense. and you told him about these investigations on the phone. let's listen to what president trump had to say about the state and federal law enforcement officers who conducted who investigated these false claims. there is
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no way they could, but then there is confident that this is, donna ha and okay, there's only 2 answers, dishonesty or in confidence. this is no way love is no way that the present didn't stop it insinuating that long foresman officers were either dishonest or incompetent. it went on to suggest that you could be subject to criminal liability for your role in the matter. before i play that portion of the conversation, i'd like to show you something that the present retreated a couple weeks before your call with him. here's the present, retraining. a post from one of his allies, a lawyer who was later sanctioned by a judge in michigan for making false claims of election fraud. let's take a look at that tweet. the tweet red quote, president trump at real donald trump is a genuinely good man. he does not really like to fire people. i bet he dislikes putting people in jail, especially quote and quote, republicans,
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he gave at brian camp georgia and at georgia secretary state every chance to get it right. they refused, they will soon be going to jail. so on your call, this was not the 1st time the president was suggesting you might be criminally liable. with that, let's listen to this portion of the call. i think you're going to find that they are shredding balance because they have to get rid of the balance. his the ballads are unsigned to valid, sir. are correct. and they're brand new and they don't have seals and there's a whole big with a balance. but the balance and corrupt and you can find that they are, which is totally illegal. it's, it's, it's more a legal for you than it is madame. because you know what they did, and you're not reporting it. that's it. you know, that's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. and, and you know, you can't let that happen. that meant a big risk to you and to ryan your lawyer. that's a big risk. a secretary of his burger. after making
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a false claim about shredding of ballads, the prison suggested that you may be committing a crime by not going along with his claims of election fraud. and after suggesting that you might have criminal exposure, president trump makes his most explicit asked of the call. let's play a part of that conversation. so i want to do is, is i just want to buy $11780.00 loves, which is one more that we had be good because we wanted to say the secretary was the president here asking you for exactly what he wanted. one more vote than his opponent. what i knew is that we didn't have any votes to find it, continued the look. we investigated. i could have shared the numbers with you. there were no votes to find that was an accurate count that had been certified. and as
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