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ah ah, i on semi ok. thanks for watching the stream. the killings of bruno perrera, who is a indigenous communities, an expert from brazil, and british journalist dom phillips, is a very stark reminder of the risks of being an outspoken environmental activist in brazil. but why is defending the amazon in brazil? why is that so dangerous? right? now that is our conversation, you are invited to be part of it by joining us on youtube and jumping into the

comments section. be part of today shut. although both a little note they seem to, brazilian government has no desire to fight these violations, especially environmental crimes. we have a feeling it acts with impunity. and we want justice for tom, for bruno, for indigenous leaders, for environmentalists who have been murdered precisely for confronting these issues some weeks before this in front of me. i just this would be continuing bruno work, bruno life, don phillips, his life. they were in the forest, they were close to our territories for the defense and protection of our lives. it is with great sadness that we are here to day because part of us has died as a key made when i felt the pain of loss for these 2 warriors who defended our rights and to day who else will lose their lives. soil, hey, to his name is the thing deal, not the voices of indigenous people who am morning, the passing of bruno pereira and don phillips,

we are talking about defending the amazon and the dangerous dangers involved in doing that with andrew and anna and carla. thank you all 3 of you for being with us, andrew. please say hello to our audience around the world. tell them who you are and what you do. everybody. i'm andrew fishman. i'm a journalist with the intercept based in brazil. get to have you. hello ana. welcome. please introduce yourself to stream viewers. hi everyone. good afternoon. i am an o for nieto legal advisor for amazon watch, also based and brazil, and welcome carla. please say hello to our audience around the world. hello, i'm carla manders. i'm working for more of a brazil is our contribution and i am going to start audience and guest on june the 5th. and that was when bruno pereira and dom phillips were last seen, though, in the giovanni valley that was indigenous territory. and after they fell to reach

the next destination, local indigenous leader sent out a search party. it wasn't until 10 days later, so we're going fast forwarding here to june. the 15th, when the bodies were found, i'm please found that bodies got it. is what we know as an international community . andrew, what happened with the investigation? how much judy know about what happened to dom and bruno in those 10 days when police were searching for them. well, unfortunately, this investigation started on very slowly and very traveling way. we were very disheartened to see that the police did not send out our captors and airplanes immediately as a, as they should have. and it was only really after a can started international effort to, to force the response that more concert effort took place after they didn't show up on sunday morning their colleagues when the voucher,

the local indigenous group that they were working with immediately began to start up and down the river and they were going out all day every day. and they were actually basically leading the search efforts for the police and were responsible for a lot of the biggest discovery that were to happen over that time. and it should be read something into this delay and, and the delay in the search party going out because of the indigenous people that dom and bruno were when they knew that they've gone missing pretty early on. what does the delay tell us? so i think it's important to say that there was a delay in the searching for these 2 missing men. but there has been a delay into the investigations of an increase and escalation and violence in this indigenous territory. so we know that for at least the past 2 years, there have been attacks against the surveillance stations of the national indigenous foundation. we know that would or no had received death threats as well

as his colleagues from the over when, when he, roger. so all of this has been significantly delayed and when the federal government specifically decided not to send in forces to effectively search for the bodies to investigate and indigenous people took the front line and doing this, it really seemed like they were evading responsibility for someone you know our president boss fernando made a series of comments saying that it was the responsibility of these men that they were going on the ear responsible adventure. as if journalism were an in responsible adventure, as if monitoring indigenous land rights wasn't responsible adventure. so it really seemed like they were trying to down play to minimize what had happened and to say, you know, this was a dangerous region. they shouldn't be there even though indigenous lands are federal, government lands and brazil. so if this,

these are dangerous regions and it's a problem of the federal government of the union, that they are a dangerous region col color. and they were only there because of the failure of the government to protect the digital reserves. if they, if the government had been doing his job and had him slash all the resources to do so, then bruno would not be working with the local indigenous groups. and don, when i've been doing his reporting on how i'm just saying about brazil thing, one of the most dangerous places to be an environmental activist. why is that? well, a situation reserve is complicated for many years. we cannot say that he has started now. but what we saw is that seas pres then valuable, so now little office almost 4 years ago, the situation got worse and worse. why? because he's really, he's really clear, affirming that he at ease again is the indigenous lamp, right. he,

he has a speech that clearly emboldens wrongdoing in slants and other traditional community . so did the lay we saw in the search for don and bruno is a clear picture of hauled. how does government treats the environment? the vital made to each is as a whole and the defense in a security area. so it's a really sad situation, n following those is a hate speech that will san angelo stands again to cindy gentles, people color, can you can her saw connie, cause you, i presume you, you're obviously your, he, you present speaking all the time. but can you give us an example of what you would say would be height? speech against indigenous people who are brazilians, of course, called control router. no, absolutely. absolutely. yeah. yeah. oh, pres. then terrible sonata a seems to during his campaign, he clearly said that he owed them to them on kate and me since he met her all the

indigenous reserves anymore. and it happened, we didn't have just for you to understand because here in brazil, ah, when an area is claimed by the indigenous people. um, so they, they file i request and then the phone i with the indigenous resume integers at a fair agencies that result roses. and she would that the land is recognized as an indigenous territory. and what we saw is that, but this was then there is denmark, kate, it doesn't mean that to dis, indigenous people, it belongs to them and they can sail into anything. no, it still belongs to the federal government, but they have the right to be there in the government as an a sad should be protected museum. but what we saw is that, you know, government that is clearly against traditional communities. they've been doing a lot of things that made the situation worse. for example,

we saw budget cuts to environmental agencies. we saw political influence and several environmental agencies, rugs and bruno is a clear example. he was the head of the 4 nice isolated indigenous groups. and he was doing an amazing job. you know, the, got the president did, he fired him from this position and it happened in may. any other environmental agents so clear to see that there is basically a war, you know, against nature here. yes. ana. so it may be to complement and to build on what catalog saying. i think it's important to mention that last week there was the release of an important report by in ascii, and by ina here in brazil, which are, which is an organization of public servants of the for ny, the indigenous foundation. and in this report, they systematically draw out how hon, so not,

or the national indigenous foundation for nie has been transformed into an anti indigenous machine. so every thing that $49.00 does to day instead of accomplishing its constitutional mandate, which is to protect the rights of indigenous peoples, this public bureaucracy, this public institution has been perverted. it has been radically transformed into an anti indigenous machine which recognizes private estates within indigenous lands . this is in constitutional, okay, which refuses to protect and goodness indigenous groups who are not on formerly de marketed indigenous land. so that excludes from its protection. one 3rd of the indigenous population and in brazil. and so this is this perversion of an institution is, is, is very, i hate politics. i, he politics at work. and i know you want to jump in here. i'm just going to slide in one more thought he and this is from dr. emma,

who we spoke to little bit earlier. she's from amnesty international in brazil. she also makes a connection between the risk of being an environmental activist and politics in brazil. he is joanna and andrew, please come off the back of that and then take us on a little bit further in our discussion. the murders of don phillips and do a bit. it is one of the most terrible examples of the political decision from both of narrows demonstrations to dismantle. we cancel public policy mechanism to protect the amazon red forest to protect indigenous peoples who live there to protect activists. in fact, review is one of the most that those countries and would to activist and to environmental is we at, at amnesty international with the man to the federal government and distributions to do their responsibility. to add criminalization, our ip is to protect active is to protect indigenous peoples and to protect amazon,

your employees and her thought, yeah this and just to add onto everything everyone has just said it's not, this isn't a power to dispute. this isn't a question of what's the most effective way of creating development or protecting natural resources. it is an ideological this view. both nato has made explicitly genocidal statements prior to becoming president. and afterwards, he made a statement many years ago saying that essentially saying that he was the brazilian cavalry, you know, back in the, in the colonial days and in the early days of the republic were not very competent . and that the american cavalry and united states where the competent ones, because they decimated are indigenous population. the past is not today quote, they don't have to deal with this problem in their country. i mean, that's explicitly genocidal statement. and so when both now came into office,

he implemented the vision together with the, with the military, which has also had a very aggressive position during the many years at the present dictatorship that they wanted to develop the amazon, you know, push the indigenous peoples aside. those were a year the great suffering and lots of devastation and under the boss, not administration, you've seen many, many indigenous defenders land defenders, human rights defenders being murdered and being and being threatened last year. $27.00 human rights defenders were murdered in brazil in one year. it's extraordinary. yeah, and it's, and actually in the very region, one of the brilliant bit added closest colleagues, maxi out of the office, who is also an agent and agent for the indigenous protection agency. he was murdered in cold blood in front of his family in 29 team, just one town over up the river into this day not found the murderer. i so me jump in just to add to what age are sad is that we clearly see this

general side and it's no side speech during the boston out of demonstration. and actually he has me several law suits, have been filed against him in international order because of it. and it's clearly . 2 our continuity shut off. oh, what happened during the colonization period, and even during the day a military, did they russia? when, who saw that there was this political off development in brackets are being development of the country where many indigenous populations were displaced for their from there are several land and we moved to summer. how can i ask and can i ask you something? because i spoke to a news story on may the 24th have a look here, my laptop, brazil's boston, narrow hikes, environmental finds to protect the amazon rain forest. and then it says that the

president signed a decree to step up finds for environmental crimes, according to official government gazette. it's a move to allow more aggressive protection of the amazon rain forest. this is not nasty in line with what you are telling me. is this something that the government is now doing because of the complaint for environmental activists? does this have any teeth? is this helpful? well, i guess i all i followed is coverage. we covered it as well, and it's, this move was seen as the 1st movement, positive moment. that movement from was so loud in terms of our home. it was yeah, but there are some improvement there. but for my 1st big tv, it's a clear move. folk is on the upcoming election just for you guys know in october we'll have this issue. elections, brazil, both on are, is not the leading to pose. and there was all this huge pressure,

especially internationally against his government, about the rising deforestation, the amazon and the rising vital last so to meet says clear, move, more a political move, then i clear move to have the power met. this degree was signed before did appearance and boon wind and dawn, you know, and you see how i called the government act or not act jonah's graham. so you, you can compare that you have worked with bruno, and i just want to ask you for a moment. what he was like as a person, because i have a little clip from a documentary that you worked on together. and he talks about how do you protect the amazon? i'm going to play that, but i would just love you to take a moment and just just talk about the men that we lost. so 1st of all, let's, let's have a little pause for bruno. what was he like cala?

i met but owner for the 1st time had a start up 2019. at the time i was doing a documentary film about the gardens of this forest, the our group of bushes shutting each of those who leave in brazil. north this marino state and it's important to raise this because her situation we see and these are very valley where the, the eds and i'll be more area in the additional go to the frontline to protect their land. what's burner? yeah. so what was he like? he was a very nice person, intelligent and engaged to his indigenous cause. that's how you know, he, they have a listen. let's have a listen to some of his thoughts because they're so spot on for what we're talking about today, which is defending the amazon. i have a little listen and i have a look community 60 for them. felicity aust reeves, the similar quote, the among the lego bid with any gene. we will remember live in the least. the queen

uses your photo prop, bothering this process completely. them integrated member hulu. so good looks brookwood it has to you 6 brooklyn he was, although neil fossils rockville, cynthia, has portion proceed all told him of beth, is he diverse for shipping dogs, the merchant? something does it being dudley? if want to do my the, the said the cluster as soon as possible today, so prescient, that was from carlos documentary that came out in 2019 called guarding the forest. are you on today? we spoke to andrea cavallo, and we were wondering, is there anything that can be done to protect people who speak out? and i'm gonna use some of your, your legal expertise here to ask what can be done, but festival, his andrea indigenous people under attacking the amazon encroachment of their lands by creaming though, groups engaging in mining logging and all their legal d with this has increased dramatically since president wilson out at the office in

2019, his administration has weakened link horseman of environmental law. and that has empowered criminal groups that are the main drivers of the 1st station and the use threats and violence against force defenders. those are responsible for a box or rarely brought to justice. the brazilian government needs to combine those marcus. it should protecting the jurors lance and the strength and environmental life horseman, ages. it also needs to ending puny to for act, so violence against amazon defenders by improving investigations and prosecutions and are, is the answer the law to protect lives and also protect the communities of the indigenous people who live in the amazon. so. so i think just for us to, to review some numbers now. so we know that in 2021 we had the worse indicators of deforestation in the past 15 years. we know that conflicts over land and over

territory, according to the pastoral land commission report. in 2021 again was the worst in the past 35 years. so over a 100 people were murdered in land related disputes and conflicts. so we are in a very drastic, very serious situation. human rights and land defenders and brazil, they live in a circumstance of permanent violence and intimidation. the sometimes reaches explicit levels. sometimes it's threats, sometimes it's institutional violence and persecution. so it has many faces. and will, i believe that in addition to everything that they, i just said in this clip, to protect the bodies and the lives of these offenders is to protect their territories. there will be no safe living. no, when vivita lo well being in the amazon in traditional territories and indigenous lands in lands settlements, land reform, settlements,

and brazil. if these territories are not protected by federal institutions, by federal government. as the constitution mandates, of course, once they are threatened, once, aggressions do occur, programs must be in place to protect them, specialized programs for the protection of human rights defenders. in thesis, in theory, we have these programs at the federal level. we have them at the state level in some places, but they are not, not operating as they should. so this level of thread and of aggression should not be reached. and when it is reached, would need to have programs in place that support these people. and these are not in place. i let me just go to you to this conversation happening on youtube. i just want to share it with you guess so camilla rossi says the federal government has the obligation to protect the amazon. but what we have seen to this tragedy is that borders of this region are handed over to narco traffickers. and then one more thought here before he took office,

both scenarios promised indigenous people that they would have one more square centimeter of land. and he has proudly kept that promise. andrew, i want to go back because i stopped karla to talk about bruno. and i want to just pause for just a moment. talk about dumb because he was working on a book, but he's so relevant. and we haven't even taken a moment to talk about why environmental activists needed in the amazon in the 1st place. andre? yes, i was reading a book called how to save the amazon. i mean, he was trying to dig into this, these issues and try to find real solutions that go beyond, you know, just, we need to make sure that people are safe and that, and that, you know, the, the for us is preserved because in reality, one of the things that he was always you know, going on about in private and, you know, this is reflected in his work as well. is that you need sustainable solutions. you

need alternative, you know, right now the brazilian government for many, many years has been incentivizing cattle enjoy and in mining. and these things are extremely destructive to, to the amazon rain forest. and as a result, they've been encroaching on unprotected land and land that belongs to indigenous communities, and they should be preserved and protected by the federal government. so it's, it's a very complex situation, but the one thing that can be done aside from obviously ending in community, increasing enforcement would be to one look at the people that are benefiting from this. because it's not just, you know, poor people living in the amazon who are doing this independently, they're part of larger supply chain that are benefiting for an investors, corporations. and many, well the people that have never set foot in the amazon. and we need to be following the supply chains and holding those people accountable and ensuring that they are not continuing to invest in these unsustainable and bloody practices. and you thank

you so much. i'm just going to end on my laptop because there's some information that i want to share with you audience so that you are aware, andrew, happy back here has a go fund. me have a look here on my laptop. here we go. and this is to help dom i'm broo knows families. so look out for that. and then if you need more information, of course, you can look at andrew fishman, he's on twitter, and you can keep up to date with the investigation. what is happening. and then you can follow anna's work at amazon, watch at amazon, watch, and carla at color, mendez. thank you, andrew dawn, excuse me, and anna and carla for being part of today's show. i'm gonna leave you with bruno pereira, singing in the amazon forest. bad a new ring for

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