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to great original connectivity and trade among asian countries, as part of the larger asian highway network called leverage is going to be the kind of a catalyst for future development bodies. but lot of things need to be done to big discuss list reality, especially a different supporting program suit to be debt. many businesses have grown near the fe terminals, and most of them will now have to shut down glucose. hopefully you got it on. we have been doing business here for a long time. our livelihood is dependent on this. yes, the bridge will hurt our business. we have no choice but to look for new business or shift our location. there was some initial controversy after the world bank brought corruption allegation regarding its funding, which was later dismissed by a canadian code. but many here are proud bangladesh has built a bridge of this size using its own resources. they say it's a landmark achievement. turnville child re al jazeera mo, up bangladesh. ah
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huh, we're going to headlines on al jazeera. several u. s. states are moving to banjo, restricts abortion after the supreme court reversed a ruling that allowed the procedure. people are protesting or celebrating the decision for the 2nd day id show, castro has the latest from washington dc. there have been relatively continuous protests here outside the u. s. supreme court now going on more than 24 hours since that monumental case coming out of this building, which essentially divided the country in half in terms of where you can get an abortion. if you're an american woman and where you can't was feeling those shock waves still roll across the country with now at least 20 u. s. states, enacting immediate bands were effective bands on abortion. and you can just feel the energy here of people who are very angry about this. also in the u. s. significant gun control legislation has been signed to law for the 1st time in 3
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decades. it softens, background tracks and help states put in place laws that make it easier to remove weapons from peoples. dean dangerous. ukrainian troops are withdrawn from the strategic eastern city. as you have ever done yet sk, it's come under sustained russian bombardment. much of the fire power has been concentrated on the as all chemical plants were 100, the civilians, none ukrainian forces. i've been sheltering police in norway say a shooting outside of gay nightclub and also was an act of terrorism. 2 people were killed in more than 14 injured. if a 42 year old suspect was arrested. i've got a son taliban government has promised not to interfere with a distribution after the worst earthquake there. in decades, at least 1100 people were killed. an entire villages destroyed people in remote regions or desperate for food, shelter and drinking water. moroccan authorities say 18 migrants have been killed while storming the border of separating the spanish enclave of melia from morocco.
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spain said about a 130 people succeeded in reaching the fence often early 2, thousands had made the attempt. cutter is a mirror, has visited egypt for its auction president of the sci fi. they discuss normalizing ties, especially in energy and agriculture sectors. those headlines, more news coming up on al jazeera after inside story. bye bye. ah. it's one of the worst attacks if feel p has seen in he is more than 200 ethnic amount of ether. what killed in the iranian region about a week ago? so how will that government prevent such a task and can it stop the wising of ethnic tension?
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this is my story. ah, ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm hush him. i'll bother. if you, pierre, is one of the most ethnically diverse nations in africa. it also has the 2nd largest population of the continent, but it has struggled with wising, ethnic based violence and tension. in recent years, just last week, hundreds of civilians were targeted by armed men in the gym, the district of a few p as or romeo region. what this is said, most of the victims belong to the am harder ethnic group. this mass getting shocked the nation, and once again brought global attention to the us political. and he made italian
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crisis. prime minister abbey, a hermit, condemned the killing, saying on twitter attacks on innocent civilians and destruction of livelihoods by illegal and irregular forces is unacceptable. there's 0 tolerance for horrific acts claiming lives recently in both been in chandel and or on the origins by elements host. main objective is to terrorize communities. he went on to say restoring peace and security in effect of communities remains our key priority. as we mentioned, if your peer is an ethnically diverse nation, much of its south and west is inhabited by the or all the people who may cap, the largest ethnic group. the aha community is the 2nd largest and dominate the i'm her region to the north. and there are dozens of other smaller groups. conflicts
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are often fueled by a groups demanding more land and power, with attempts to drive out those seen as outsiders. the, let's bring in our gas in contemporary ok, and i get that show. yemen are here, the lecturer in court, comparative politics of the university and can't in i will be william davidson, senior if the piano list of the international crisis group. welcome to the program business. what do we know has happened in the or only region? yeah, recently there were if you don't this going on in one of the incident where the one that happened in which so many ponder or so to be dance, where killed and most of them where the farm. i swear to be there for, for several years. and different report this are coming out regarding the number is
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which the report this by themselves 133, some nation where around 200 dead. and the report this mention that the, the number of the desk would be up to $700.00. so the government also mentioned that there were incidents we so many people died, but the government, the nation, the number of dens. so it is, it is clear that a lot of the plans have been affected have died, but we don't know exactly how things happen or who did the killing because there is no independent investigation carried out. except about that, you know, so many reporters around the order, we're pointing fingers on the moderation army, which they're able to group denied and requested for. busy independent investigation, the government also reported that based on the killing were carried out by that
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able to grow ok. william accusations, counter accusations, the government is putting the blame on they are on the liberation. army, the oil, a thing, on the other hand, no, it's not as it was because of the fighting that was taking place and they put the blame on the government troops. and yes, that's correct. but by no means the 1st time we've had this source of incident, the killing of civilians are often of horror at mississippi and very strong allegations and reports of liberation on responsibility and then denial. i think it because the area is essentially a, a war zone. and the government is preventing access to journalists and researches it does, it has been very difficult to authoritatively assess the details of these incidents
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. and when we have a relatively recent instant, like this is particularly hard to come to found conclusions. so we know is that the reports that come out so far from advocacy groups, the sort of state, if you're in human rights commission on media reports and playing the overlay. but there isn't a huge amount of clear evidence that come out so far. i'm an important context to understand is that these kennings of civilian occur in or mia often in western or mia and often of minority and citizens. but it's in the context of a insurgency by the liberation army that's been going on again, going on since 2018. it's increased in its intensity and it's been met by a system counter insurgency campaign, which is involved abuses by the state security forces as well. and so as well as
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the lay being accused of these types of trust is we also see a general climate of increasing violence in the region and the killing of civilians . amidst that, at a moment we see no sign to the sort of moved towards negotiation. that seems to be needed to try and begin to reduce the level of violence norm in joining us also told us to see charlotte, north carolina toddress is the chairman of the um, ha, association of american of america or toddress, shall we see this in the context of the animosities between the auto mall and the m hara no. i don't think this should be seen in the context of the ottoman animosity between 2 people. this is really an attempt by the aroma liberation army with the support of many of the army original government officials as last are elements of within the federal government to achieve political agenda
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by deliberately targeting and attacking. i'm horace romeo. and this has been going on, us is really 2018 when prime minister abbey, i'm that allow the only to return our front to retrieve, armed log in, and now give them space to recruit a trade in radicalize young ramos in the region are in this current balance of the cabinet and we're, the administrator is allowed the oral underbrush army to come in to the area of several days prior to the attack occurring. the government malicious that were in the area were told to leech and not to allow the own a to come in when d o n a came in right before the attacks occurred. good telecommunications phone and internet was cut off and the attack started early in the morning until,
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you know, and nasa for over 8 hours or the owner was targeting specifically amares. the casualties that we have from our investigators in ethiopia is at least at minimum, $500.00 injury are $503.00 killed. 282 of those. we have already had their names. the gender and other identify are identifiable markers. and we believe that number is probably going to be $2.00 to $3.00 times higher. so this is, this has been going on for many years. the government has made no effort at all to protect the civil. yes. in fact, they have been enabling a dis massacres to happen in western part of the country the us pacific, or we are now in addition to las vegas. oh it just so your audience is aware, the ah, the cover that your 1st new got to on the tar. ah, his son is a member of the erwin of british army. i kid on him or what they cover the militia office. she is also hooper is, has also been complicit and has been detained. another gym and he done will choir
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the wrote me a state militia member in the cover. his brother is also a member of the will. so the state is ashley. okay. this is in the masters, could map petros explained to the, to the viewer how it is that the arbor liberation army is both fighting and insurgency against the army regional government and the federal forces. i'm and indeed there were some very serious instances just a few days before, with our lay attacks on going be town, and then be dollar channels to attack on regional gum better. there's an ongoing insurgency counter insurgency, between the overlaid rebels and the government forces. but tetro says, telling us also that the overlay is working alongside the government. so, i mean, perhaps you could explain the complexities to the viewers that roast. sure. i mean, i, i think, you know, the, the quinn is
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a deal and it has to work within the government apparatus. so this is a structural problem in the fight between the o. n a and the abbey administration or posterity party. this is a fight over power, the bull, the horrible posterity party, and the only view, the and other not almost the area really has outliers. outsiders that have to leave that room. yeah. we do that. you are well below your people. this is a view help held by the irma prosperity party and the liberation army. so there is a fight overpower, but the own a does have support with government structure and also within the security apparatus as well. this is very complex. that's what makes it difficult for especially amongst the area business. if he have the arrival on the amato, make up 60 percent somehow. 60 percent of the population in ethiopia. and you see these clashes, these problems. this could be an indication that the huge problem in ethiopia that
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the country itself could one day explode. yeah, i don't think that the clashes between the 20th me group and i don't, i don't think it is correct to claim that days, collaboration between the or more liberation army and, and the federal or the regional government terrace mentioned that the federal government or the or my region and oily, the problem is about power, but if they are fighting for power, there is no point for them to collaborate to attack civilian i'm, i'm not sure the report the hub is even correct because i was reading last night the report. it shows that there one month old child was killed and there is a name, date of birth and everything i don't think. and if you're been culture and one year now one months old can be recorded even so the accuracy of the reports should be questioned. and that's why i mentioned at the beginning there should be independent investigation in terms ofa. well,
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pushing the country to out of this explosion. i think this insurgency and the counter insurgency oppression can be resorted with through negotiation. as long as the government recognized the legit made a grievance of that group who are operating, there is not just something that happened in 2018 but the cause of the auto mall abrasion, front door motor british army has been there since 9073 so we need to consider the back ground before just concluding what is going on. only associating with cost 2018 issues. so it has been there. it is protracted war, but you know, the scale has been, you know, going up and down, depending on the situation. ok. but since 2018, obviously it has increased and the number of identities also increased william. so he, how, if i can respond to that briefly, if you don't mind briefly. thank you. i appreciate it. i think it's really incorrect to say that, you know, if you do not record their, their birth,
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these are the days that they were born. i was wondering if you are my peers who quoted but my, my, my birthday we have a writing system, a numeric system. that is, you know, thousands of years old. and so our investigators are reporting that by speaking to the victors. and in addition to that is correct, that the owner has been operating for a very long time. if you feel, you know, for over 30 years, for a good part of the part of 30 years, they had upgraded merely richly until i, mister abbey allowed them to come in with their weapons. but we cannot, legitimize the massacre of innocent people. you cannot legitimize an organization who are, who does who's, who's tried to keep a political agenda by killing and massacre re innocent civilians. i think that's wrong, i think with an organization like the only the leaders to the organization. and all
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those government officials were complicit in allow this to happen, should be under contract. okay, william, you so you have the civil war, the tig re fannie, how the problems in the om, her region. also the problems in the olivia special zone. could this be an indication that the ethnic federalism in, if you appear a, has to be addressed once again because it doesn't seem to be moving forward? well, there's no doubt that a good experiences, massive political problems and violence. but, and i mean, typically the, the issue of federalism is that the debate over federalism is part of the political polarization and fundamentally different views. i think it is history and who are the victims and the different grievance narratives and contestation over over power. now in the context of federalism, that is part of the political problems that is driving the violence or simply
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identifying the system as a problem is not a solution. the difficulty is bringing together polarized political groups, which of course, are very strong, ethno regional components. and just to return to this business of the alleged collaboration by government forces, government officials and the a, a just after the attack government forces into town. i mean, this gives some credibility, almost the allegation of the late themselves. and the government is responsible for these attacks, but we have no evidence about either. all of this indicates very clearly the complexity of the disastrous politics. the multi faceted factionalism necessitate some form of investigation and ultimately again, if this political violence is going to be resolved, it has to be done through political negotiations state, given the gathering destabilization instability we see in our media and no real end
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insights. and this insurgency, counter insurgency, dynamics, i think everybody should be pushing for full access to researches. you've got a tear in journalist, a truth between the parties and the beginning, a political negotiations between the armin nationalist and the government. and the type of i'm power groups and the address you represent that type of, you know, ideological positioning, tedra, when you have a nation of almost 80 s, the groups, how do you see the path to reconciliation? what? well, i mean, you know, there are many organizations that have put forward ideas and we just really obviously there has to be an independent investigation for the atrocities that have been committed. ah, in ethiopia, by all actors in on. and the perpetrators be brought to justice. it has to be, you know, to transitional justice, if you please for the 1st time, have to see for themselves what they have been doing to each other. the balance
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that has been a willie up in oro, me and an official google is region by the overlay and the gun was militants, particularly against cameras. willis is something that we pirate, an independent destination. but in addition to that, you know, if you miss nita susie out discuss the ah, type of government system that they, that they want in the future to take them away from this violence. the problem is structural art. there is no um, easy, serious ethiopian political parting that is opposed to federalism. it is the ethnic federalism part, that many ethiopians are opposed to, which is really the, the root cause of all these problems. so the, for example, the fight between the war between the t pillar in abbey and his horrible posterity party is not a fight over ideology, is a fight over power. so they both believe in the same ideology, tpl, if ah, you know, establish this ethnic federal system to really poor establish, to go ahead you morning again, try to use that to establish or,
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or hedge morning. and what we're saying is that as ethiopia, as we really need to look at this ethnic, our path, i federal system, se, if we can move into a federal system that was fits every once that the diversity of ethiopia, this diversity, the religious diversity, the culture diversity, all that can be protected, but it doesn't have to be an ethnic base political system. so there are many forms of id or systems that exist in the world that we can use as a reference. but this is a problem. let me go to and yes, william, it's important. i think it's important to point out yet and you're in line with what i was saying before this, our own nationalist rebellion by the army. abrasion on a that according to tetra is the core reason for instability and that is to a degree, a product, all that political group that constituency believing themselves marginalized. they don't want to see the eradication of ethnic federalism. they want to see what they
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call genuine self determination for are mia therefore, any attempt to completely remove the system? because you assess and constituents and dislike it. that only to a perception of further marginalization and is likely to start the fuel rebellion and lead to more violence. these are the simple calculation that ethiopian elliptical actors need to understand, unless there is some form of compromise over the political system. then we will see a perpetuate action of a cycle of violence, but we're talking about the need to to implement reforms simply said, but when it comes to the implementation, this is where we have the problem be sooner. do you think it's about time for a constitutional reform, if you appear to put an end to the ethnic divide? i don't think there is, there is, any issue regarding the structure or the order of the country is not literally,
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it is not a unique country that dog, that multi national, the federal system, multi national federal system was only response to hundreds of years. so programs in the country, the only way to hold the country that were repeating itself are part of the, during 1990 s. so the federal system where operating quite well regardless of the lack of democracy and so many or i abuses until recently. so these come, the whole issue should be seen in a broader context. what's going on in our region, the conflict into gray and as well as the now far british youngling bill everywhere that are, you know, a lot of conflict is that can be also associated with the to system. you know, that the fraction of the party system might also be 1 o'clock that, that contributed. especially when we consider that the water between 2 grey and the federal government and its allies. that was associated with the proctor of the party system, the party system, where the only group that were holding the country together. so the constitutional
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reform anyways, any country should conduct, you know, reform when it is required. if we consider either car, simulations, constitution, it has been revised several times. but at this time, i don't think the constitution is the problem. the policy should where are forming quite well. but the issue is, where are you know, wide ranging? so i believe there should be a court reconciliation and okay. position among, including the able to groups should come to the table and negotiate about the feature of the country to those if you want to move forward beyond ethnic politics . and you have 10 semi autonomous, a federal state, organized along ethnic lines. i don't, i don't see, i don't see any way in a way forward. i. i agree. i think it doesn't really require a serious, you know, political analysts to see if any come to a sense of when you have,
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we are divided along divided low arbitrary ethnic boundaries and that have disputes over land. and then how can you there, it makes it very, very difficult to move forward. you can have, you can revisit this. i'll cast ethnic base constitutional framework that allows the protection of especially the smaller ethnic groups out there in terms of culture or tradition. our language allows us to move forward as you know, without this ethnic base division, that is, you know, really how to get it by this, by this, by this constitution. all right, you, this constitution is not working very well. just one particular point. i hear this constitution was working very well. i'm are, i would have political repetition, repetition, or meal or repetition, which they do not even in areas where they are. majority william briefly if you don't mind so that a p r d f was the umbrella organization. that was the country for many years. it
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was under the control of that you cry. and then i came to paula people for this is going to be the beginning of the end and then charting a new course for if you, if you, but nothing does seem to be working for the country. what do you think should be the, the path or if you should take in the future? i think that essentially that the t p to grandpa is the dominant one within that ruling coalition, within this security. so is i think, you know, try to explain the path forward in terms of protests unless there is your efforts to cool truces and all of these complex allow to monitor and access need your access, human rights investigation access. then we're going to see a continuation of violence is going to be very hard to establish the facts, but more importantly, more fund dimensionally the has to be a process of political negotiation here. and it isn't about one group. the claims itself to be the biggest victim in the country getting to enforce their id, ology,
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and their vision for the country on the thank you because that will write the violence instead we need will be to play black to come to some form of compromise over the country future will be interesting to see how the political leaders, if you will be able to navigate through this complex political landscape, children stuffy, they sooner got to show and william davis. i really appreciate you. and so i thank you and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website as is eda dot com for further discussion, got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a jane site. so you can also join the conversation on twitter. i'll hand it is at a jane site saudi from the house, and the entire team here in doha, by for a ah,
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