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bo, this market potter soul is chosen by those who can have a variety and sophistication, not much in evidence right now. police monitor the noise levels, while banners from residents complained that their children can't study and babies can't sleep, will aren't all you got. you mean, of course we're sorry for the residence, even though we have no choice but to protest. would it be apologize to them too? it's partly the president's vault, says this neighbor, is it a nuisance? oh yes, he says, now supporters that the president of set up their own camp to counter the counter protest dot on, keep you know, doing on we'll here to start such gatherings because we don't like them. and all sides seemingly prepared to try to out protest the other mcbride al jazeera so. ah,
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your geologist, eric me. so robin and joe hall, reminder of all top news stories g 7. lead is a gathering of the germans states of bavaria. for 3 days summit, the war in ukraine is likely to dominate the agenda along with soaring inflation and a global food crisis. earlier us preston joe biden praise germany's chancellor for his efforts to maintain pressure on russian president vladimir putin. first of course i wasn't sure we have a source study with economic challenges when we get to this most our diplomat together to james base has more from the summit in the bavarian alps. really addressing a very, very grave situation on this g 7. the world has changed a great deal since these leaders, not all the same leaders to the new but these leaders last met in the u. k. in comb
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. ringback the main thing that has changed it, of course, is the war in ukraine. the g 70 have an emergency meeting in the 1st month after the war that took place in brussels. then of course, the early days of the war, the, the, the, the whole of public opinion was talking about the war in the shock of the war. now they've got to work out what to do, i think, because we now 4 months since the start of the war, how to keep the momentum up, how to keep the pressure on polluted russian missiles of his, at least to residential buildings in the center of the ukrainian capital keep the national police chief says 5 people injured. it's the 1st time the city has been here since early this month. and kudos president has ended a state of emergency conceding to a main demand of indigenous protest as they've been on a nationwide strike. and every 2 weeks will ever last. so it's not facing a no confidence at least 20 people have not been confirmed dead as
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a nightclub in south africa as eastern cape province, police and east london say the victims were age between 18 and 20. is believe the bodies had no signs of injuries in one of those stories on the website at al jazeera dot com, more news and half now with emily. but next is inside story with hash hubbard to stay with us. ah, it's one of the worst attacks if feel p has seen in he is more than 200 ethnic. i'm hot people was killed in the wrong me a region about a week ago. so how will that government prevent such attacks and can stop the
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wising of ethnic tension? this is inside story. ah, ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm hashem, alba. if you p a is one of the most ethnically diverse nations in africa. it also has the 2nd largest population of the continent, but it has struggled with wising, ethnic based violence and tension in recent years, just last week, hundreds of civilians. what targeted by armed men in the gym, the district of if you p as or romeo region. what this is said, most of the victims belong to the m ha ethnic group. this mass getting shocked the nation, and once again brought global attention to the opiates political. and he made italian crisis. prime minister abbey, a hermit, condemned the killing,
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saying on twitter attacks on innocent civilians and destruction of livelihoods by illegal and irregular forces is unacceptable. the 0 tolerance for horrific acts claiming lies recently in both been in chandel and on the origins by elements whose main objective is to terrorize communities. he went on to say restoring peace and security in effect of communities remains our key priority. as we mentioned, if your peer is an ethnically diverse nation, much of its south and west is inhabited by the or all the people who may cap, the largest ethnic group. the aha community is the 2nd largest and dominate the am how to region to the north. and there are dozens of other smaller groups. conflicts
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are often fueled by a groups demanding more land and power, with attempts to drive out those seen as outsiders. the, let's bring in our gas in contemporary ok, there's gonna get that show. yemen are here, the lecturer in court, comparative politics of the university and can't in i will be william davidson, senior if the piano list of the international crisis group. welcome to the program business. what do we know has happened in the or only region? yeah, recently. there were, if you don't this going on in the incident where the one that happened in which so many ponder or so to be dance, where killed and most of them where the farm. i swear to be there for, for several years, and different report this are coming out regarding the number is which the
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report this by themselves 123, some nation. there were around $200.00 dead and the report this nation that the, the number of the desk would be up to $700.00. so the government also mentioned that there were incidents we so many people died. but the government, the nation, the number of dens. so it is, it is clear that a lot of the plans have been affected have died, but we don't know exactly how things happened or who did the killing because there is no independent investigation carried out. except about that, you know, so many reporters around the order, we're pointing fingers on the migration army which they're able to group denied and request. busy for independent investigation, the government also reported that based on the killing were carried out by the able
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to group. ok. william accusations, counter accusations. the government is putting the blame on they are on the liberation. army the oil, a thing. on the other hand, no, it's not as it was because of the fighting that was taking place and they put the blame on the government troops. and yes, that's correct. but by no means the 1st time we've had this source of incident, the killing of civilians are often of horror at mississippi and very strong allegations and reports of liberation on responsibility and denial. i think it because the area is essentially a, a war zone. and the government is preventing access to journalists and researches it does, it has been very difficult to authoritatively assess the details of these incidents
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. and when we have a relatively recent instant, like this is particularly hard to come to found conclusions that we know is that the reports that come out so far from advocacy groups, the sort of states in human rights commission, some media reports playing the allay. but there isn't a huge amount of clear evidence that come out so far. i'm an important context to understand is that these kennings of civilian occur in are often in west and are mia and often of minority and horror as citizens. but it's in the context of a insurgency by the liberation army that's been going on again, going on since 2018. it's increased in its intensity and it's been met by a system counter insurgency campaign, which is involved abuses by the state security forces as well. and so as well as
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the lay being accused of these types of trust is we also see a general climate of increasing violence in the region and the killing of civilians . amidst that, at a moment, we see no sign to the source of and moved towards negotiation. that seems to be needed to try and begin to reduce the level of violence norm in joining us also told us to see from charlotte, north carolina toddress is the chairman of the um, ha, association of american of america or toddress, shall we see this in the context of the animosities between the auto mall and the m hara no, i don't think this should be seen in the context of the ottoman animosity between 2 people. this is really an attempt by the aroma liberation army with the support of many of the army regional government officials, as well as our elements of within the federal government to achieve political
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agenda by deliberately targeting and attacking i'm horace romeo. and this has been going on assist really 2018 when prime minister abbey, i'm, it allowed the only to return our from the retreat are armed, allowed them to give them space to recruit a trade in. radicalized young ramos in the region. and in this current balance of the la cavalier were the administrator, and now the oral underbrush army to come in to the area of several days prior to the attacks occurring. the government malicious that were in the area were told to leech and not to allow the own a to come in when the o n. a came in right before the attacks occurred. good telecommunications, phone and internet was cut off and the attack started early in the morning until,
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you know, and nasa for over 8 hours or the owner was targeting specifically amares. the casualties that we have from our investigators in ethiopia is at least at minimum, $500.00 injury are $503.00 killed. 282 of those. we have already had their names, the gender and other identify identifiable markers. and we believe that number is probably going to be $2.00 to $3.00 times higher. so this is, this has been going on for many years. the government has made no effort at all to protect the civil. yes. in fact, they have been enabling these of these massacres to happen in western part of the country the us pacific, or we are now in addition to las vegas, just to just to your audience is aware the the government chairperson got you on the top. his son is a member of the origin of russian army i could on him or what they can when the militia office is also has also been complicit and has been detained. another gym
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and he done will choir the wrote me a state militia member into cuba. his brother is also a member of the will. so the state is asher, located in the massacres, could map petros explain to the, to the viewer how it is that the, our liberation army is both fighting and insurgency against the army regional government and the federal forces. i'm and indeed there were some very serious instances just a few days before, with our lay attacks on going be town, and then be dollar channels to attack on regional gum better. there's an ongoing insurgency counter insurgency, between the overlaid rebels and the government forces. but tetro says, telling us also that the overlay is working alongside the government. so, i mean, perhaps you could explain the complexities to the viewers that roast. sure. i mean, i, i think, you know, the, the point is that the own
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a hassle were within the government apparatus. so this is a structural problem in the fight between the o. n a and the abbey administration or posterity party. this is a fight, overpower the bull, the horrible posterity party. and the only view, the and other not almost the area really has outliers. outsiders that have to leave that room. yeah, we do that. you are well below normal people. this is a view help held by the normal prosperity party and the liberation army. so there is a fight overpower, but the own a does have support with government structure and also within the security apparatus as well. this is very complex. that's what makes it difficult for especially america in the area business. if he have the arrival on the amato, make up 60 percent somehow 60 percent of the population in ethiopia. and you see these clashes, these problems. this could be an indication that the huge problem in ethiopia that
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the country itself could one day explode. yeah, i don't think that the clashes between the 20th me group and i don't, i don't think it is correct to claim that days, collaboration between the or more liberation army and, and the federal or the regional government terrace nation that the federal government, although region and oily, the problem is about power, but if they are fighting for power, there is no point for them to collaborate to attack civilian i'm, i'm not sure the report they have is even correct because i was reading last night the report. it shows that there one month old child was killed and there is a name date of birth and everything i don't think. and if you're been culture and one year that one months old can be recorded even so the accuracy of the reports should be questioned. and that's why i mentioned at the beginning there should be independent investigation in terms ofa. but pushing the country to out of this
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explosion. i think this insurgency and the counter insurgency oppression can be resorted with through negotiation. as long as the government recognized the legit made a grievance of that group who are operating, there is not just something that happened in 2018, but the cause of the or more liberation front or the or a motor british army has been there since 9073. so we need to consider the back ground before just concluding what is going on. only associating with cost 2018 issues. so it has been there. it is protracted war, but you know, the scale has been, you know, going up and down, depending on the situation. ok. but since 2018, obviously it has increased and the number of attendees also increased william. so he, how, if i can respond to that briefly, if you don't mind briefly. thank you. i appreciate it. i think it's really incorrect to say that, you know, if you do not record there, you know, they're,
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they're both. these are the days that they were born. i was wondering if you are my peers who quoted my, my, my birthday, we have a writing system, a numeric system. that is, you know, thousands of years old. and so our investigators are reporting that by speaking to the victims. and in addition to that is correct that the owner has been operating for a very long time. and if you feel, you know, for over 30 years, for a good part of the part of 30 years, they had upgraded merely richly until i, mister abbey, allowed them to come in with their weapons. but we cannot, legitimize the massacre of innocent people. you cannot legitimize an organization who are, who does who's, who's tried to keep a political agenda by killing and massacre re innocent civilians. i think that's wrong, i think with organization like the only the leaders organization and all those
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government officials were complicit in. allow this to happen, should be honda, canada, ok, william you. so you have the civil war to the t grey fan. he how the problems in the i'm her region also the problems in the olivia special zone. could this be an indication that the ethnic federalism in, if you appear a, has to be addressed once again because it doesn't seem to be moving forward? well, there's no doubt that a good experience thing matters, political problems and violence. but, and i mean, typically the, the issue of federalism is that the debate over federalism is part of the political polarization and fundamentally different views. i think it is history and who are the victims and the different grievance narratives and contestation over over power. now in the context of federalism, that is part of the political problems that is driving the violence. so simply
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identifying that system as a problem is not a solution. the difficulty is bringing together polarized political groups, which of course, are very strong, ethno regional components. and just to return to this business of the alleged collaboration by government forces, government officials and the overlay, a just after the attack government forces into town. i mean, this gives some credibility, almost the allegation of the late themselves. and the government is responsible for these attacks, but we have no evidence about either. all of this indicates very clearly the complexity, the disastrous politics and the multi faceted factionalism necessitate some form of investigation. and ultimately, again, if this political violence is going to be resolved, it has to be done through political negotiations. this state given the gathering
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destabilization instability we see in our me no real end insights. and this insurgency counted insurgency dynamics. i think everybody should be pushing for full access to researches. you've got a tire and generous a truth between the parties and the beginning. a political negotiations between the armin nationalists and the government. and the type of i'm power groups and the address represent is your ideological positioning at tedra. when you have a nation of all was 80 as the groups. how do you see the path to reconciliation? what will i mean? the, you know, there are many organizations that have put forward ideas. we conciliation, obviously there has to be an independent investigation for the atrocities that have been committed. ah, in ethiopia, by all actors in on. and the perpetrators be brought to justice. it has to be, you know, to transitional justice, if you please for the 1st time, have to see for themselves what they have been doing to each other. the balance
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that has been a willie up in oro, me and an official google is region by the overlay and the gun was militants, particularly against cameras. willis is something that we pirate, an independent destination. but in addition to that, you know, if you miss nita susie out discuss the ah, type of government system that they, that they want in the future to take them away from the stylus. the problem is structural art. there is no i, if he, serious ethiopian political parting that is opposed to federalism. it is the ethnic federalism part, that many ethiopians are opposed to, which is really the, the root cause of all these problems. so the, for example, the fight between the war between the teeth, yellow and abby, this horrible posterity party is not a fight over ideology, is a fight over power. so they both believe in the same ideology, tpl, if up um, you know, establish this ethnic federal system to really poor, establish to go ahead 18 again,
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try to use that to establish or hedge morning. and what we're saying is that as ethiopia, we really need to look at this ethnic, our path, i federal system, se, if we can move into a federal system that was fits every once that the diversity of ethiopia didn't like diversity, the religious diversity to put your diversity on that can be protected, but it doesn't have to be an ethnic base political system of a. so there are many form to fill systems that exist in the world that we can use as a reference. but this is a problem. let me go. yes, william, it's important. i think it's important to point out that you're in lima. what i was saying before, this are a nationalist rebellion by the remote liberation army. now, according to tedra, is the core reason for instability. and that is to a degree, a product, all that political group, that constituency believing themselves marginalized. they don't want to see the eradication of ethnic federalism. they want to see what they call genuine self
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determination for are mia therefore, any attempt to completely remove the system? because you assess and constituents and dislike that only to a perception of further marginalization and is likely to start the fuel to rebellion and lead to more violence. these are the simple calculation that ethiopian elliptical actors need to understand, unless there is some form of compromise over the political system, then we will see a perpetuation of a cycle of violence. but we're talking about the need to, to implement reforms simply said, but when it comes to the implementation, this is where we have the problem be sooner. do you think it's about time for a constitutional reform? if you appear to put an end to the ethnic divide, i don't think there is, there is any issue regarding the, the structure or the order of the country is not literally, it is not
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a unique country that adopted a multi national drug system. multinational federal system was only response to hundreds of years. so programs in the country, the only way to hold the country that were repeating itself are part of the during 1990 s. so the federal system where operating quite well regardless of the lack of democracy and so many or i abuses until recently. so this come that the whole issue we need to bear should be seen in a broader context. was going on in amara region, the conflict integrate and as well as the now far vinnish, angling gum bill everywhere to that are, you know, a lot of conflict is that can be also associated with the party system. you know that the fraction of the party system might also be one factor that contributed, especially when we consider that the water between 2 grey and the federal government and its allies. that was associated with the proctor of the party system, the party system, where the only group that we're holding the country together. so the constitutional
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reform, anyways, any country should conduct, you know, reform when it is required. if we consider other printer ations constitution, it has been revised several times. but at this time, i don't think the constitution is the problem. the policy should where are forming quite well. but the issue is, or you know, wide ranging. so i believe there should be a court reconciliation and ok position among including the able to groups should come to the table and negotiate about the feature of the country to those if you want to move forward beyond ethnic politics and you have 10 semi autonomous, a federal state organized along ethnic lines. i don't, i don't see. i don't see any way in any way forward. i. i agree. i think it doesn't really require a serious, you know, political analysts just use just any come this is. when you have,
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we are divided along, divided low are arbitrary ethnic boundaries and that have disputes over land. and then how can you, this is very, very difficult to move forward. you can have, you can revisit this class, i think based constitutional framework that allows the protection of especially the smaller ethnic groups culture or tradition. our language analysis to move forward as you know, without this ethnic base division, that is, you know, really how to get it by this, by this, by this constitution. all right, you, this constitution is not working very well. just one particular point i hear from this constitution was working very well. i'm or i would have political repetition, repetition, or a meal or repetition with us. they do not even in areas where they are. majority william briefly if you don't mind so that a p r d f was the umbrella organization that one of the country for many years. it
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was under the control of the took ryans than i became to paula people for this is going to be the beginning of the end and then charting a new course for if you, if you, but nothing does seem to be working for the country. what do you think should be the, the path that a future should take in the future? i think that, you know, essentially that the, that particular policy is the dominant one within that ruling coalition. and within this security services, i think, you know, try to explain your depart board in terms of process unless there is your efforts to cool truces in all of these complex allows humanitarian access media, access, human rights investigation access. and then we're going to see a continuation of violence is going to be very hard to establish the facts, but more importantly, or mom, one dimensionally the has to be a process of political negotiation here. and it isn't about one group. the claims itself to be the biggest victim in the country, getting to enforce their ideology,
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their vision for the country on the r. thank you, because that will write the violence instead we need will need here to play black is to come to some form of compromise over the countries kitchen. with interesting to see how the political leaders in the loop you will be able to navigate through this complex political landscape. so just fi bit sooner got to chew and william davis, i really appreciate you. and so i thank you and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website as is eda dot com for further discussion. got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a jane site. so you can also join the conversation on twitter. our hand that is at a jane site, saudi from the house and the entire team here in doha bye for know ah ah,
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a new voice is heating up the airway. lot of chinese listeners with, kimberly here, but i really think in their own country shifting power of a case, the rise of citizen journalism has changed everything. how do you happen? it happened on social media and the undeniable impact of the mainstream narrative. australians went to the policy with those images front of mine is a war. it's very much came forth out in the media as well as on the battlefield. they're listening post. dissect the media on al jazeera, the hillbilly, a harmless caricature or a malicious label denying of people that culture to justify the exploitation of their natural resources, that the bad and cocker thing has been so successful that even people in the region
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