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head and, and korea a different viewpoints. these artists are disrupting traditional history, providing an alternative to the largely western narrative of white supremacy and black subjugation. using mythology counter narratives and fantasy. these already show that races of fiction, a socially constructed fiction with no scientific basis. the 11 artists are just a small sample of a far larger emerging conversation happening among writers, authors, musicians within the black creative community. the gruesome legacy of oppression is replaced by a new narrative of infinite possibilities in the way the black d as bora can construct the world. jessica baldwin al jazeera london. ah,
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a military convoy discussions in the capital. kito were due to resume on tuesday, but they were called off after the attack left one soldier dead and 12 others injured. the government accused the strike leaders of terrorism. those the headlines than he continues here on al jazeera after the big picture. good by ah, a france is a country of control. it's reputation for glamour and sheet is proudly projected to the outside world. but there's also
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a darker on the betty river. and front should from where the fall right has moved in from the fringes and increasingly set the national agenda, especially when it comes from the sims. good, good for parents may new like it's celebration of diversity. the multi cultural capital city of a nation that prides itself on the values of liberty, equality and return is, but those values don't hold true for everyone. i miriam. and in this theory, i'll take a deeper look at some of the issues dividing from people from lacy bay, the separation between church and state. france is reckoning with its colonial legacy through racism. is i'm a phobia on the crack down on basic freedoms,
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including the rights of protests. for me it feels like a fight over who we are as a nation. and what we really stanfull ah ah, it sounds almost as if lacy did today is sort of saying, actually some religious attitudes are unacceptable. this tendency to only find a nickel chamber of our own thoughts has only been made easier. i think the misunderstanding of law is today is the biggest problem, actually, the fact that some public figures weaponized later in order to stigmatize a part of the society, there is a very deep breck up betweens of muslims. and it's
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a non muslims between the young people coming from to poor suburbs and the rest of the society. the rest of the society, fear these young people and has nothing to set up me pheasant, bessie is a key sign of the french revolution. when lacy too became a cornerstone of the french republic. now at that time it was all about keeping the catholic church out of face affairs. the time itself is essentially a french twist on secularism. it's enshrined in article one of the constitution. i'm to many people here, it's the sacred principal, guaranteeing the quality of all people before the law. for these days, it tends to go up in debate over french identity rather than being used to guarantee a quality. some say it's being used, discriminate,
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especially against muslim. ah ha, ah, the groomed miss is he, in the outskirts of paris in mom had eaten mid wound leads off to noon, pres, law, listen, religious leaders have been asked to sign up to a church of republican values. the so called him mom's charter as part of the french state vision. and it's for france as the prayer who empties, i sit down with the mom to get his thoughts on the child and what lay he mean to him? well said lacy to it, you knew it a 1000000 dollar money permit to remote or meant to learn
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please don't tied to the news in most sunday to read. i look in from be a new image, him all just you by. she fig. give a long shot. the money up is even the fact you little bit of a rush after this lunch. i scan it. eastern chef. keep i don't. one is her confession. no, no, said shocked it even if you come see me 0 mo, do other way case on pacific. just remember this one to do seen you said charter's unless yours are sure yours you sneer. they're called michel. but problem for us, because enough for cor, i'm pretty senior. a condition can, can, can, can no gain your par. sure. no. the long spinning. sure. yes, yes, i'm from. see very concerning my laurie. my venue. well,
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you see machine won't come live text. did you recall it up in apology for, for through could you swap for quinn or would i guess from find something you while you fold you one min max to hear some get her then welcome to seattle. chris, did you demand p v find from key book? went on and keep up with one and i need the yes, i think i'm a home thinking of the 504. thank and then or no. the lacy tampa. how my end is out . i did ask you some it off of hunting, some you cool. i think i have a a, a city it was equally. she take guaranteed liberty ever guaranteed any. roughly the party came at one. both of them proceed from cooper reported for a lot of the money or lima. it can on pause or normally you can have somebody call premier new collision. we sit, you know, talk about it. oh,
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that's only a battle at the meaning of a c, k. the idea being to protect the state from the intrusion of the catholic church historically. but today some will see as you know, the neutrality of the states. some will argue that it's protection from religion. some will say that it's about stigmatizing muslims. why is lacy take such a problem here in france? since the problem lies in said in the very definition of lay city, not lacy itself but mean the republic doesn't want the religion to get power on citizens. religion is seen as an al you, nation. and e, slum is seen as an al you nation. not because it's easy some but because it is early june. i think the misunderstanding of law is to say is the biggest problem. actually, the fact that i'm some politicians or a public figures weaponized lacey to in order to a stigmatize of parts of the, of the society. saying that they are trying to get rid of the common lows and
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trying to have an exceptional treatment to be treated differently. actually validating the id that there is a problem not we blaze today, but there is a problem with muslims in france. and i think that's quite a different question at quite a different programmatic. but given your actually on the ground with young people, schools themselves have become a pallet, a political battle ground in many ways around the lacy t issue. how is the lacy, the discussion translating on the ground with young people? i believe the grill political conversation, the one that has to do with power is do young people especially believe in the republic. and what i find is the farther away france drifts away from its ideal, the harder it is for me to tell them this republic is for you. for some people in france when they feel like their destiny is not quite the same other as others, it's harder for them to, to, to adhere to the vision which is absolutely necessary in which teachers defend,
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you know, as much as possible. so i believe if there is an issue with young people in the way the see the republic, it is a result of how frances doing as a whole, i believe when it comes to fulfilling its promise. and many of you will recall that last year at president macklin had brought about a new bill, the so called separatism bill when the law came about it was very specifically targeting what, what we'll call muslim separatism, or what a president macklin referred to as is a mist separatism in that bill. and fatima, do you agree with the critics who say that that bill is just the latest example of singling out mas simms for special treatment? absolutely, and actually there are people in france who may be, grew up instigated neighborhoods may be a, this society, they were public, failed to integrate them and then they had to organize differently. and often what we believe is separated them is
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a way to self organized in order to try to compensate the feelers of the states because they so that the, these west even targeting them and, and they're stopping them from trying to be full members of the society. the bill itself, with aimed at targeting the idea that there's some kind of extremism that we'll talk about. scepticism is a form of extremism in this case. and of course, france has been the target of terrorist attacks has no way of, you know, ignoring the fact that that has happened here. but what's confusing for, i think perhaps many people internationally as a build that suggesting, you know, stopping women wearing full lengths. swimsuits at the pool wall stopping women wearing head scarves accompanying their children on school on things or, you know, what's the connection between this and sort of separatism as it is thought overs trying to combat the type of terrorism that france has been a victim of. i think we have to remind the context the context is what you said. sorry,
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of terrorist attacks incredibly violent against french people. and it's not separatism as a right world is islamism to separatism. law has not done anything. so has calf is, i mean, you are free to, we're to wells a headscarf in france. it controls more the mosque and i think it's better for whom . so muslims, and, and specifically of funding of the mosque. and he tries to present to prevent the spreading of the islamist ideology. and i think it's important to separate the debate and the reality of the law because the reality of the law protects the muslim and do not treat different is mustn't. and the rest of the friends believe us, i just would like to say said think about i believe maybe you are an optimist because when i, when i read as to where i didn't bill, it was not just about am we enforcing and,
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and fighting against terrorism because we have an all legal apparatus to fight terrorism, it's directly targeting the freedom of association. and you have a lot of different muslim association which has been targeted and dissolved because of this law. and even before, because of the law, the security anti yeah, you have also the freedom of religion, which has been targeting with shut down on different marks you have are also lot of private muslim would it is cause we're actually also shut down musson, coffee shops mustn't measurements, russia, allegedly muslim restaurants. i mean, i, i, i can only guess. it was just like restaurant serving alarm food. even butcher is butch, wrist shops were actually close them. i don't believe that terrorists were actually hiding in buses in coffee shops at on in restaurants. but if you are implementing that way of thinking of an old and in or society that can be an there is carrying tightening for muslims. and for all religion, people actually,
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it does feel as if maybe the, the next been cast a little wider does. now i came yeah, probably own, you know, there is a player in the field which is absent and which should be in this is on the muscle, comes a french muscle community because a french, i mean they're looking for also muslims after the tourist that i said okay, where are you guys? i was us or i with them. is that the one of the keeper, one of the key problem is that we don't have seen the muslims and, and still no, maybe we don't see them alone. we don't see the muslims on to grow into mosques on the social networks to spread nazzo and to partition of his stop. so it's very, very important sounds of french muslims take zer, responsibility, zach not guilty, but they are responsible. we need this kind of promotion. we need this newest club,
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this modern slum. i just want to talk about this idea that, you know, i think he, i guess the idea that the wider missing community is, is responsible, i guess, for pushing back against extremism, terrorism. i, you know, i wonder whether that is the responsibility of the wider missing community and what role i suppose this idea of a modern islam plays within that. i think it's and the perfect situation in which we should just go back to the low and the low is actually separation between churches and state. so meaning that the churches will, li just don't have the right to mingle or just to interfere in civil matters. and civil offers bets. there is also the fact that invest the opposite of that, meaning that the state doesn't have the right to decide about what he just matters . and you also assume that there is black recall in sociology as negative solidarity. meaning that if any muslim somewhere in the world and does something
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wrong, we should be responsible. and we should feel comfortable for this person. that actually it's an individual he, he or she has their own reasons, actually to act and we should not be as muslims, or as women are as man feel responsible to that thought instance the difference, terrorist where men do you actually try to add but put some distance and thank you has been civility saying that there is an issue with toxic masculinity and we should talk about you know, because where it does top and where it does. and let me ring a gabrielle into this discussion because suddenly from the outside looking in, it's almost as if, you know, the conversation in france is that lacy did, is a barrage to terrorism. is that how you are experiencing in the school context eat? do you have students that you're concerned about their tendencies about how conservative they are? and you think if i just teach them more about lacey did, they will become good republicans. citizens is that?
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is that the thinking you look, people who kill one another to kill another tend to be between 15 to 25. so we have an issue with young people. there's also far right, terrorist tendency that's been happening around your of the there's all this. now you're asking me, is lacey to enough to address the issue of extreme violence? well, no, it's not. but what i do believe is when i hear people tell me, muslim overrides to a private education, and that's because the probably stems filling as the trends on. well, that's where i respectfully disagree. we need a shared experience. we need something that makes a nation a nation over the past 1015 years. this tendency to only find a nickel chamber of your own thoughts has only been made easier. that's a huge issue. and of course, this as a consequence, when it comes to the way young people see religion, i wanted to ask you about this charter of demands. because for people outside of france, they're looking at the charter of a moms and they're saying hold on,
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frances, this country that says a lot about secularism, you know secularism is the state staying out of religious affairs. but then suddenly it's the same state creating a charter for muslim him arms from the some religious leaders to fine up to how do you square that? i came how that makes sense. it doesn't make sense. and frankly speaking, it's a joke earlier. the charter has been forgotten by you. all. sectors are inside your charters, are there was a world against for inferences and against m. is the mr. organization's and who signed the charter? oh, for fine, fine base organizations and islamist organization. so i do not make any sense. do you think that it sends a message though to the wider population? because presumably it was only a moms that had to sign the charter. there was no similar charter for priests or pastors or rabbis. doesn't that sort of send its own separatism or separatist
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message? absolutely, and i think it's one of the example um, in which you can see that the states does not respect the boundaries. and within the shutter, i believe is the article 9. or there was something about and not being able to talk about a state racism. and i think it's really interesting why in the chatter of islam, should we speak about the right or not to speak about a problem with, to try to all racism with the systemic racism. so there is something very political into that chart. but what, what's confusing and saying to the debate is i think that lacy, it is, or you know, secularism in general is always the supposed to be the tool that allows all these different religious communities to co exist without interfering with the state. and the state doesn't interfere with them. that's the point of secularism is no. yeah. but as you have to remind says the security context and for governments, for french politician from the right from the left, he has to deal with security. and he had to reassure the rest of the french society
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. and there is an issue with certain french muslims. and a lot of terrorist attacks has been performed by french muslims. so, and there are minority fusion. yeah. is made by sense. that's why i called a french mostly to say not in my name, like in, like in the u. k. i think it's politically very important. i think it's interesting that we don't tend to do that with any other group. i'd love to see every time there was an attack on a right wing on a mosque, you know, all the right wing organizations in society saying, you know, we, we don't approve of this. that, that she kind of a lot of silence around the, the number of 015 muslims will be shot by a writes so far. right? activists. so policy will change. okay. i am sorry, but when you say that you are like that french and muslims. but melissa muslims are far answer for you and jonathan's and very were shot to you. well,
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different. yeah. every one of them had to fail twice and they had nothing twice of blood and they have to pay the price of dignity saying that they are not the same as a terrorist. and then nothing to resolve doing that association muslim community. and i don't agree that a lot of people a lot of mess him, so actually said not in my name. and no, i do not have to, you know, like walk around because i must have myself saying that not in my name. i wanna, i'm asking a question about the relationship between wider inequalities and the conversation on lacey did. because obviously we're talking about a country in which people of muslim origin are already, we know are less likely to be employed more likely to live in poor neighborhoods. less likely to have access to good health care is lacey, they functioning as an equalizer in schools or does it risk functioning as a proxy that actually reinforces some of that? stigmatization? well secularism is absolutely
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a necessity and it does help. it does help. it's in so far as we understand it. now, look, we can have a long conversation on how to address extreme violence for instance, or, or a separatism by saying, here's what you should not do. here's what you cannot be. so once you've said, here's what you don't get to do or what you don't get to be. now we need to have a conversation with, with the young people, especially here's what you should become, not just say you cannot be that, but help, you know, draw up the face of someone they could aspire to be. and i think that this is where we feel, i believe, as teachers did good, national does its best. but as a society were failing to do that, i came at lacy de functioning as a tool that adds to preexisting inequality, reinforcing them all and equalizing tool in modern france. i would like just to remind you of figure france is a western country with the highest level of intermediate between french people,
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an unspecified specifically a muslim people. and so we are facing a french paradox. very open, very close. and in the middle of the paradox, izzy idea of universalism. if you are like us, we will, we will be open to you. if you are not like us, we will be against you, you know, as a french restricted conception of schunover citizen, but ye shall like us. we will marry you. so lacy is also a way to be more open. yeah. i believe that muslims can marry other muslims and still being integrated. and friends, people can be open and not marry a muslim. and that will be okay to it's obvious that they are political and social reasons for what is happening right now. and kind of like the conflict, i don't know how to call it the tension as trad, in friends,
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if you are poor in france, it takes 6 generations, not one, not 36 generation to get out of poverty. it's a lot, especially if you consider that because of historical reasons due to immigration, muslims are members of this disadvantage class. and if we don't have public policies addressing that, i believe that in 10 years we will have exactly the thing debates. it's a no go to me. what's very apparent here in france is that everyone agrees that lacy is a really important part of the french tradition, that much is not in question. what is in question is the substance at that time how it's being used. clearly for some lacy de provides protection from the states intrusion into the private sphere. but ironically for others, it's also exactly the opposite of that. what seems to be a state is
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a struggle over what it means to be french and who gets to define it. with a exist on government, it's very confusing when you grow up here, when you don't have a sense of belonging. and also that society keeps telling you that you don't belong ah
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