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savings against inflation as economy struggles to rebound or i think it will gain traction and we're very excited for it to, you know, we, we want this to be the thrust of, of starting to develop the national, heard and, and to 2nd, to exporting of beef. mcdonald's support for the local industry for now at least tackle seemed to be a more stable currency than the local currency. one way of trying to preserve investment value in the country we, some citizens have lost faith in conventional methods. how do matessa, al jazeera norton, zimbabwe. ah, hello, are you what you know, jesse are these, the stories were following the sour grains president says the decision to withdraw troops from lucy chance that was to preserve lives. but below me, zalinski promises his forces will regain control of the city from russia. it was
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ukraine's last stronghold in the eastern province of lou hantz. and ukraine says turkey has detained a russian flag ship. keep claims is loaded with tons of stolen grain from the port of betty ends. the ship has been don't in turkish waters near cursor for the last few days. russia has denied stealing resources from ukraine. russell sarah has the developments from istanbul yesterday. the ukrainian ambassador here was so body. i said that the turkish costs more towards his have the pain that the ship and defeat of the ship is going to be decided by these inspectors today. but so far, turkish officials have not commented on that at all. last time. when the russian foreign minister lover was in, i got it on june 7th. last month. he has been asked about the stolen ukrainian green. and the ticket for the minister said that they have heard of these
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allegations and they initiated the investigation, but nothing came, nothing complete, came out of that. and he said that tricky is not going to allow the illegal trade activities on turkish soil schools. interlink her staying closed for an extra weight because of a shortage of fuel t at children staff to and from classrooms. last week, the government restricted fuel sounds to essential services as an economic crisis in place in denmark say this aspect in a more shooting, had a history of mental illness. a 22 year old man is doing to appear in court. he's accused of killing 3 people. and injuring several others, 4 of them critically and protested in the u. s. a. demand in justice after police in ohio released hoodies, the shooting of a black man, 25 year old jana walker was killed last week. he was chased and then shot dead by police after flaying a minor traffic violation. okay, those are the headlines i'm emily ang, when the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story talk to al jazeera, we ask, can you be more specific?
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how many folks are you asking for and what kind of military equipment we listened asked the people of cuba in the street. if there is a difference between donald trump and your bite for them, it's the same. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera, covered 19 cases or surging again around the world. some countries have we imposed restrictions. they just lifted. so what's behind this rise of infections? and what should we expect? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson covered. 1000 cases are on the rise in more than a 100 countries. they'll micron varian dominates those infections. it's 2 main
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mutations known as b point 4 and b point 5 are harder to track and resistant to vaccines. the next few months are going to see an increase in global travel as millions take their summer holidays. and that's likely to increase the spread of covered 19 those in the pandemic hit tourism industry. we're hoping to recover this season as restrictions began to ease in many places. but that could change the head of the world. health organization says the pandemic is not over driven by beer for and be a 5 in many places. cases are on the rise in $110.00 countries causing over all global cases to increase by 20 percent. and does this have risen in 3 of the 6 w 2 regions? even as the global figure remains relatively stable. this bond amec is changing, but it's not all but our ability to track the virus is under treads as reporting
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and dynamic sequences are declining, meaning it's becoming harder to track or me grown and analyze future, emerging variance or restrictions are coming back in some places and they could again become part of everyday life. italy has extended the need to use masks on public transport until the end of september, germany and ireland are thinking about making the mandatory in a few months. and the new very in some more resistant the w h. o and several other organizations are encouraging more vaccination campaigns and booster shots china has maintained some of the toughest restrictions, but other countries have been easing them and of cases continue to rise. we may see a return to government, impose locked ons, and strict took contact tracing everywhere. ah ok. let's bring in our guess in the rabbits we have as it in you, bohemia, he's director of med biotech and professor of medical biotechnology. that mohammed
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the 5th university in barcelona, jeff lee lazarus is head of health systems research group at barcelona institute for global health and in mon, by and author ish. walker ladder and infectious disease specialist and secretary general of the organized medicine academic guild. a warm welcome to you all. thank you very much. indeed for being with us. dr. yolanda i want to start with you are these spikes that we're seeing mainly down to countries opening up or is there something else at play here? is it we just heard the word dr. doss' was telling from w a jewel. so what we are looking at is only increasing what up cases. but we have not looking at the trajectory. how many of those cases require oxygen? how many of them are lining up in hospital? how many require you and how many of them are dying? if you look at the global debt still today in last 20 years, it is 1.2 percent of the total cases. that is called gifts per dollar did it, but currently it will make gram that has come down to 0 point one percent. you
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don't want to percent. that is 1000 to 2000. and that's why the overgrown very and i have been labeling for the last several months and we didn't support that. that video, the consent. if we look at current li. yes, there is a surgeon gives us what mainly searches in us. it, not korea. taiwan promised monday it'll lee and u. k. and there are various while in population as compared to india. i like prague . why? example, france is the judo 15 percent of the population where they bought in 10 dash more cases. so there is some problem debt. the wind fight is more important that certainly when there we are seen yesterday, that be a point to point 75, which is a new assault very and has been detected just only yesterday. and there are so many gives us. but all this, the variance, whether it be a point door, we have one for why they are highly infectious,
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but they are not lethal. they're not killer. they are not giving you more, but it, the more than the book. so by that way, we are not big bad, and i don't think that lockdown teachers ever come back again. i don't think that many more sticks will come back or get any of our he me, you are nodding all the way through. that is the situation that we're facing now very different to the situation that we were in when cove at 1st came to pass. i agree with my friend from india. i think what we are seeing in morocco actually is the same situation. we have a higher infection rates in the rock right now, but when you look at hospitalisation and the death rates, the numbers is actually very limited and the numbers are the same. so i think what we are looking at, i think the, the highest problem we got, we got it with the dentist. i don't think that i'm comparing it to me chrome, that's comparing the last year at the same time in morocco. we have that data and it did that. we had the high and fiction and high rates mortality and
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hospitalization and numerical right now we have a really very strong for pick. i may say of infection. but besides that we don't see hospitalization or that we are not looking at the same virus or most i have to say that. and i had to say that's comparing delta to be a 4 or 5 actually, we are not looking at the same virus on. so i think strongly a thing that the approaches should be changing. and to talk about the core with i think we have not at march 2020 but we are at june or july 2022. and a lot of things are changing. jeffrey lazarus, according to our 1st to guess, my impression is that things are actually improving that things are getting better . is that your interpretation? no, but other things that we should be looking at. i'd like to agree,
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and obviously we have the few, you know, people with the rest of your symptoms, your deaths because the vaccines are working on the negative side. i mean, the elephant in the room is really long cove persistent symptoms occurring after 4 weeks. and for some people after 3 months, 6 months and not just fatigue, i'm sore throat and cough, but you know, serious symptoms that can even be permanent, like thinning of the brain membrane and reduce lung capacity. we also have concerns that there's weighting immunity with the 3rd dose, the 4th those they say is maybe waiting even faster than the 3rd dose and hasn't been rolled out everywhere yet. and my main concern really is that we're not preparing for the future waves. and there will be future waves and be a wine infection with that, the very end is not protecting us against reinfection with the a $4.00 and $5.00. and it's hard to know what's to come as doctor tedra said a few minutes ago. you know, these are hard to track and it's going to be very important to keep sequencing more
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and to build laboratory capacity and countries that haven't been able to sequence so much to date. and this one got a lotta, they the point that professor laza is, is making barriers that we may have reached a situation where i'm covered at the moment is managed show when you say, but there are longer term impacts, particularly with reference to say long covert. i'm how we approach the, the dealing with any particular variance variance in the future. what do you think are the risks and the concerns with regard to long covered? ah, what professor lazarus says is right that long ago it is a major issue. ah, we do not understand completely what is long career to how many people will get it . we'll get it over there. only symptomatic people will get you dory. when i symptomatic people who get it, but what we are seen or the year when an off year or 2 years is that those which we are in the fall spend 2nd vale, they last year,
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june or day got go it. they are having longwood problem. we are not seen much of the people with tommy granville and they got covered and they're getting longer. it may be because in day, oh me, granville we are seeing mainly uh, what is frederick infection, and that is only our fee were sore throat, unaided wiggly thought a g and cup b i and little headache, but lower part of lung is not in white. near one i this is not dead. ah, we are there. what are the oxygen requirement is lot. so possibly those required oxygen. those will ended up in hospital lou lanyard up in ice. you or her or we're going to bed with her. we're director. there may be piercing water problem with our language. secondly, what we are seen those people with co morbidities, but maybe i but then john di bodies aging detail failure a previous lung problem by brown kill us tomorrow to will close his death isn't what volume language. so we need to understand what he language, and that is
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a precise isn't that even though micron is a milder video and as compared to previous video, we should be very careful about long of it. and what will happen in the next 6 to 8 months, as a neighbor him a did you think that that means that the, the stresses and strains that we saw being put on the world's medical facilities aren't going to go away. that this in may be a pause until, as dr. gelato was saying, and profess elizabeth, that we begin to realize that that the longer term impact of something like long coven, why he with the my friends, actually the local, we could be a problem. and we have to be very cautious, but i think what we are saying right now, that's when the question is so clear that it will be if these are, will be a stress on the head system. i think it will depend on the countries because the age will be a big factor in that. and they're thinking countries like in africa, it's not going to be a problem because i think now we know that the recommendation that is to
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recommendation that we can make vaccinate in. and then when people were older, people are oral conical diseases like people with diabetes or hga or other these for the skype. and the other thing is just distance seen and masking. i think it will be very difficult and we have to say it all right. now, to go and ask the population young population to be vaccinated right now, because there's people they don't see the need of that. and as we are saying that the immunity will be going down and the vaccination will not give you a really high community view of other viruses or some variant leon, people will not be vaccinated. our hope actually is actually to go on targets. honory people, people with critical diseases so that we can not have actually a big stress on the system. and you can understand that in countries where you have a young population like in morocco and the african countries,
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i think people are not thinking about the quote right now. that's mainly thinking, bought out of province, jeff lazarus of the you and said in made that a 1000000000 people, the estimated in lower income countries, hadn't been vaccinated. do you think the governments have become too relaxed or do you think the people are themselves, are just a bar that should we should say got complacent, that they have just decided that covered is no longer an issue. how do you address that kind of problem? well, it's a combination of both coupled with what's been a very slow rollout of, of vaccines to low and middle income countries that are, that's getting much better now as people hear that death rates are falling fewer cases of severe sin of people with severe symptoms that they are less worried and i'm afraid that, you know, policy makers are playing in for that because it's not very popular to encourage vaccination to encourage control measures like face masking inside like that. but i
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think they're doing it to service to their population. also, because i'm, as there's more transmission in the community, we get more variance. and as we see with only con, more sub variance and with, you know, no protection against b, a 4 and 5. when you have b, a one would be a $4.00 and $5.00 more transmissible. i think we need to do everything. we can to slow down the transmission and slow down future waves, including the current wave wasn't in abraham. i do think that the world opened up too soon. i don't think so. i think that's right. now we can say it's actually we have to, to have this question, isn't the end of the pandemic? i think it's the right question that the population is asking, and they think when we look at the curve, actually, how we got with the you hand virus. after that, the alpha, i think we had the biggest problem with the, dealt with the army grown b one. actually we have less problems and actually with the bay to less problems and maybe the sick worse usually are not,
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that's good at the original version. so maybe i'm very optimistic that we're going to read he to the end of the stand in me. coming back to your question. i think we didn't open just because the really for health reasons we opened up for different reasons. i think the recommendation is not usually just the health recommendation or the scientific recommendation, but there is that can amik sco recommendation we were talking about tour is more so that's and plays a big role. but i think the risk that's we have taken route and right now, if we don't talk about the long covey, i think it's well taken. and they think we have to open up because we cannot keep up after 2 years on the huff with this situation. issue golardo given that that the india was one of the countries that was hardest hit simply if nothing else by scale, in terms of coven 19 and also in the economy is in difficulties at the moment. do you think that there is a concern that longer term if the impact of long covered appears to be as great
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as people are concerned, that it will be that the impact on the country is going to be significant? and we're going to see india's economy and countries like india see their economies really begin to struggle and become under pressure in the way that we saw at the start of the outbreak. say a propos to what, a globally, people think about india, ah, modeling dumont's period. of last year 2021. 0, it printed to june. india done veteran. and he has done vaccination to d. 2. not a loss close to $2000000000.00 vaccines are providing the say one to 5 percent of the population is at least one goes. and 60 by 66 percent of the population has asked are 2 daughters vaccine in diaz lay, one a. 5 would license vaccines in india did their vaccine un for children. and the indian economy is currently doing fairly well. it has been the veteran. now. 5 atwood that they're out of consent, all did that when you open up the kids as go up,
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but did not go up so much. isaac lee in india would be a written birth of the country with a population of 1400000000. we are hardly of 152-0000 cases or day may be dam water which are not reported. but when we go by what has been happening and how many i reported literally we are reporting very few cases. but bits of anybody law every day, only $15.00 to $20.00 debts on top 30, almost half of did it's already or just yet ordinance. so i did that. i did judo point one percent, one in a 1000. so by that way, in the us bring video and secondly, coming back to the question of vaccination, what is this? what is the number of cases a psyche in our globally is that wendy deaths are hiv, indicates that high people want to take vaccine. actually speaking, there is a wrong damn good vaccine where best time predict vaccine is wendy equal weight, or any fiction is like low there at that time you know that you had a reaction. i think people would have not infected of n d o a brenda mic is going up, and at that time you are vaccinating. that means you may be back to adding people.
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what infected or what incubating the white us. so i think people should understand one thing. yes, there is a global integrity, but india has come to rescue. india will continue to be addressed. you'll, india can provide to vaccines at much of the low price. laskey shoe is that some of the vaccines are very low day, like with just for the white months. dig you yeah. efficiency advisory martini vaccine on what on the back seat. but as compared to astrazeneca is, is, doesn't he got done very well, and that, that he's under, in the iving 90 percent of the people that synagogue with esparza nigger has done well. and that is a study in militia that they use 3 vaccine. as to jenny gov by the re martinez and she know back from china, and they're cindy. oh, come up both vaccination and how many verde about brit written fiction. how many debts order between diction? wonder found that if one person died up as to geneva 2.5 times what people died of about any and 9 when fight them war died after siena lack so that miss, you know,
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back is useless. and as compared to and what in it it started, any guy is part of it. hm. so that is that is that, that india probably out as a bigger vaccination and allowed the emitter deal to vaccine may be lot lasting little bit longer or much longer than the about interacting jeff lazarus, there was a big push at the height of the, the, the outbreak of to try to give individual countries the right to license the drugs themselves. and indeed that they're the capability of manufacturing their own vaccines and so on. and how has that gone? because we've kind of lost sight of whether or not those programs are actually, are working in, if they are producing the, the, the vaccines that people need, particularly of course, in the african continent. vaccine production is incredibly complex. so even when you have the license having the production facilities and all of the different components, sometimes as many as more than 100 components to make
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a vaccine. not to mention the filling and completion of facilities that need to be in place, the storage, the refrigerators and so on. so it is progressing. there is good will. but i think that the difference really has been that capacity has increased well, or the availability of vaccines is increased from high income countries as people here got vaccinated. i think we need to be thinking long term. we need to be thinking, well, how are we going to decentralize vaccination production or vaccine production more and allow manufacture outside of the hubs where it's been to, to date jeff, do you think that, that the governments are actually still interested in making the level of investment as needed either in the, in the vaccine production or in terms of getting people vaccinated depending where they are in the world. or indeed just creating systems. and 2,
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for example, systems, air breathing systems within air conditioning systems within buildings in order to try to make them better or more suitable to try to control this kind of thing. yes is a, there's a couple of questions in there. so i think, you know, it's gonna take a big investment from high income countries and you know, it's not just about the curb in 19 vaccine. this is an opportunity to increase production and productivity related to vaccine production in other parts of the world. now we really need a vaccine plus approach. vaccination is not going to get us out of the pandemic. it's not going to and, and future waves are in the pandemic really as a public health threat. so like you mentioned, we need to improve, we need to make structural changes. we need to do 2 things. we need to be improving the, the air qual, indoor air quality, and how that works in buildings, particularly the new buildings were constructing. but we also need to educate the
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population on how we can improve air quality through better ventilation, simple things about opening windows, opening doors, how often they should be opened and having more c o 2 monitors available. so people can actually see the indoor air quality. i'm in their schools in their places of work and take action as necessary. it's not that expensive and not that complicated to improve indoor air quality when it's related to opening doors and windows. it is, of course, when you're doing major structural changes to buildings and talk, a lot of do you think that were it necessary for the, for governments, but the indian government to re introduce mosque wearing to re introduce restrictions within the country. do you think that people would be as willing to accept those or do you think that people are now sort of set in the, in the, in them and they have the mindset that covert is over and there is no problem and therefore they may be putting themselves at a at risk actually you put on
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a question and you answer yourself. we don't think the government is in a more to lot of district just now. and government to go to says restriction. i don't think people will follow them. now. what we need to ensure that people event data endorse and data crowded places like a local train. so, but says so public places appear. does this should use mosque, we should emulate what practices and what we see a good practice has are in hospitals and clinics. and start restaurants and hospitals where everybody is reading musk. so it remember that the job i think that will be good for us to prevent the one that is where deductions your workload is. no problem listed, bullish and awesome. awesome. i think that will help. so that has to be a culture in people. we do not expect the government to put every thing in order and ask people to do that with us. people are done that for obvious, they are actually, we've gone over to protect. so i don't think any kind of restrictions are required
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and they'll be ordered in either the national government, our, by the end instead of being able to meet all we at the stage where people are going to be required to have an annual booster for, against covert in the way that they do against viruses, i think sense if, if you have to ask someone to answer the scientifically, we don't have that. that's actually to say that against b a for be a 5. how long the vaccine would give us the minutes? yeah, i think that question would be of that, but coming back to what's my to france, we're talking about, i think the pandemic is different from one another. i think when we talk about india and africa, most of the people are they are be owned, actually independent mac the i'm not thinking about mask in the, i'm not thinking about taking the vaccine and they don't see even the need for that . and definitely, when you tell them that even if you are taking the vaccine you want to be infected, people will not actually get to be vaccinated. so i think that is awareness that we have to work on actually in discussions on the other parts of the war. they think
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what's going to happen mainly people will be asking for vaccine or the 2nd or the 3rd generation that will give you immunity. and that will answer your question. if you are taking a booster, you want to make sure actually that this poster would be protecting you a couple of months. if not, you will not see the need for it. but we can say right now for the elderly, i think what is really left of the immunity given by the vaccine is really very had for, for the on and reason people with chronic diseases for the younger population. i think it will be tough to convince them to go to be vaccinated. i want to say thanks to all our guests as any new or human jeffrey lazarus and dr. esau's gelato, i'm that thanks to you too. for watching you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join conversation on twitter or handle as at ha, inside story for me,
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