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aah! al jazeera with no dutch farmers are angry, they say plans by the government to reduce nitrogen emissions, will harm their livelihood. the netherlands is the 2nd largest agricultural exporter. so what does this gonna mean for global food supplies? this is insights, dory. ah, hello, welcome to the program. i'm rob madison. farmers in the netherlands are blocking roads, setting fire to haystacks and even driving tractors through the streets of the
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hague. it's all in protest against laws that regulate emissions produced by livestock, but a likely to have a major impact on the farming community and the larger economy. the netherlands has failed to meet its emissions reduction targets. so permits for new homes and roads have not been granted since 2019 to prevent further pollution. and the government's introducing tough new rules. it's $100000000000.00 food export industry. one of the biggest in the world could be badly affected. and this is happening when the water ukraine is already putting global food supplies at risk. now we're going to bring in our guests in a moment. first, this report from step vasa and neck in the netherlands. farmers have had they want to paralyze the entire country. they have announced that they want to block access to the main airport ship whole other airport support. and rotterdam, the situation has been escalating between farmers organizations to farmers themselves and also the government on the other side in the last couple of weeks
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that have been promised retained at certain actions. police was involved that has been aggression also towards the minister. and now here we are, the food distribution center, one of the 25 that are being blocked today by farmers. and let's have a look around to see the trucks here. and they were ready to go to the supermarket full of foods meet dairy products. you can hear the cooling machine still running, but they can go anywhere because look at the other side. there are tractors, there are trucks, they are pharmacists sitting here, they say no farmers, no food. so they say we want to let the people in an island know that the farms can be closed because they are very essential for food production around the country. so government has announced that the farms have to got more than 50 percent of the nitrogen emissions in some areas, even up to 19 percent has been research showing that the effects of nitrogen
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pollution on the ecosystems. and the balance is pretty dramatic. and the pharmacy, i also say that these figures are not correct. they say that we want a better solution. the government has announced that she wants a mediator to be involved. but i promise i said this mediator is not acceptable to the sitting here waiting here for maybe 2 up to 2 days. some of them we've spoken to them before have already sold their farms because they were not capable financially to run their business. you can see here know if there is no tom, there won't be food in the supermarket. that's what they say. so was even labradoodle some hey, just sitting here on it brought there wouldn't show us. it's really a protest. they said they had no choice. we are fed up and if you push us do the limits and this is what we're gonna do. let
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a question of course we made today. how did that publicly mug will respond to this one is an old food, or there's a link to sales into the market today? so what's the plan that's caused so much anger? well, dutch farmers have been told to cut nitrogen emissions between 12 to 70 percent, depending on how close they are to conservation areas. those areas are part of what the european union is calling, not sure that 2000, it's the largest coordinated network of protected areas in the world. farmers whose land is inside natural reserves will have to cut by 90 percent. and those who can't do that, we'll have one of 3 options. switch to crop farming, relocate or quit the trade. ah, okay, let's bring it, i guess they're all joining us from the netherlands in z alder. we have sharon van mon, him, he's a dairy farmer and a protest organizer in amsterdam. natasha almon. is a footing. agriculture expert at the world wide fund for nature, netherlands,
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and houghton. they are. amanda slope is a mediator between producers and buyers with agra. com is also a member of aggregate is one of the largest farmers action groups in the netherlands. very warm welcome to you all. thank you very much and for being with us, natasha. i want to start with you. this is about nitrogen and ammonia at its heart, what, why they thought to be so bad. no ammonia, nitrogen specifically has a huge impact on biodiversity, especially in nature areas. and of fortunately that the cultural sector is one of the major contributions to nitrogen emissions affecting biodiversity in the netherlands, we still have, we are facing a bite of hershey crisis. and this is because of the decade of government looking away. and finally, the government has made a decision to do something about it. and this is causing the major disruption because the pharmacy weren't aware that they needed to change. but basically this is not a surprise. it has been going on for decades. and now there's finally an opportunity
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to make this change and to have the budgets to be able farmers to actually transition to a more sustainable nature friendly way of producing foods. 0, you're shaking your head there. is this about nitrogen and pollution, or is there something else going on here? now, well, we have had a few different problems, but the main cause of this all because so my left a bodies in the dutch government, the ones that use reduction of the dutch national or at least by 30 percent. well they wanted to have 50 percent. but that's the main cause of all and let me look into the nature of the point like natasha. mom was telling you about reports. all of them say over the last few years, 85 percent of that nature is in perfect condition. of the 50 percent of the nature which is not in good condition. there are about $1500.00 ways to improve the nature
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and about 50 percent of the safety. and that, that way it's not even done yet in the netherlands. and nigeria and pollution is only one of them. so that's why the problem as i say, some bit of the 50 percent needs to be improved. that's ok. but then we use all the different ways you can do to improve nature and nitrogen boucher is only one of them. so in this case, and what we also say as agriculture sector and over the last 30, yes, we already reduced almost 70 percent as agriculture sector. so on this point. no, no, no. the fact that did a reduction like you did over the last 30 years, natasha. i know you want to come in, but i do want to bring in to amanda sloan here. the government, as natasha was explaining it has brought together some sort of attempt at a solution. and yet it seems to be constantly rejected by the farmers. why none of
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these solutions acceptable? the government doesn't the only working in what way we, we are the problems organization and the government. i think almost 1000 so suggestions to do something to do some thing to reduce that nitrogen and this kind of into, to us to help the nature. but it's not about the nitrogen, it's about a re, a re arranging the public space in the netherlands. and this is the only reason why the government is not speaking with farmers, but but over farmers and not, not, not just taking the hint, surely what the farmers wants to get to the government. because we are the best. the farmers love the suggestions about lowering nitrogen
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and trying to make the nature better to help the environment to do something with the water quality and everything. walk and ditch government. just studying something about the your, about your vehicle goals and not about nothing about innovation and possibility solutions. so this is the business. this is the reason why we, we, why we are in this way of testing because because the government is not listening in any way to the pharmacy. they just, they can go away and going straightforward to, to reach gaggle instead of looking at nature. because the pharmacy nature to really
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talk to you in the highest level in the world. and one moment this happening is that the government just learning something about about nitrogen and, and the law of a little higher level. but the topic, but of if this were really a problem, then they would also suggest to speak about our was about prayed about the by just straight as much traffic in this kind of thing that none of them are involved in some little measures only the landscape and the farmers will be treated by our government. so this is not ok. and this doesn't let me bring you in there because both of your own and they are saying that this is that nitrogen and the impact of nitrogen and ammonia is forms a small. busy part of the situation that in fact this is about a wider issue that the government is actually wanting to change the land use within
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the country. what's your response? how do you react to that? my response is the follows. there is no doubt by diversity is effective by nitrogen, and there are numerous reports indicating that but something needs to change and not from an ecological perspective, but also from a legal perspective. and that's why the highest gordon annella's rules, if nitrogen depositions in the netherlands and emissions should reduce by 50 percent in 2030. so but apart from that, i agree with the other speakers that there is more happening in the netherlands because we also have a water quality. they have an air quality problem. water quality in the netherlands is far below what is needed to comply with the what the framework directly in europe, sa, drinking water our, our brand water is at the moment, so pollutants and a good filter is also one of the producers of devs. so apart from nitrogen affecting by the 1st the we're also talking about air pollution and water pollution . and this is also the reason i think why we need to have
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a transition of agriculture to, to sticking all those boxes. so things that need to change. and this major transformation of agriculture, even though it will effect farmers, can also be seen as an opportunity to really transition a broken food system into a system that is good for nature, but also provides a future for farmers and the future. because the system that we are in right now is a system that is broken and is not working for farmers every day, 5 farmers in the middle and stop their business because there is no future. so the current system is not working for pharmacy, it's not working for by diversity is not working for our health because the air quality in the netherlands is really below and level that is healthy. so i do agree with them that not only agriculture needs to change, but we also have to look at a traffic at industries and so on. effect this. and that's the thing with the
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nitrogen case. is that a good culture at the moment and especially dairy farming is contributing the most with 60 percent of the national emissions is being caused by that and mainly to every sector. so that's the start of the change, but i totally agree that we have to look much broader. and we have to look at a situation in which the current system in the netherlands both for producing and the way we use our land needs to be rearranged. and if means, especially to farmers, that a transition is needed, but that's why the government also with 35000000000 euros in the budget over the next decades to help the transition into sports or transition. and i would really, really feel you if farmers would come up with an offer in how they can contribute and what the price and the costs are. the society also has to pay. because i do think as this program is not being caused by farmers, because they're also the victim of the current system. but as the farmers out
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a solution and they can help in bringing the netherlands to a future where it's green. not only for nature, but also for us people because i may stop you there because i want to bring in jerome. forgive me for interrupting you, but i want to bring in jerome because he clearly as has got very strong feelings about this, joan, explain something to me because from what i've heard so far, the government seems to have an end goal of improving the environment within the netherlands, so to the farmers from what i was saying, it's intrinsic to the farmers, it's important to the farmers that nature should be sustained, that their livelihood should be sustained. whereas where does this breaking down? where is the problem with this? that when you're both working towards the same, an goal, if you're like, you can't find some sort of common ground to be able to move forward. but i wanted to respond on what the mission said just right now. and it's not true, it's, and it's very good also, whatever problem you look at,
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if it's nicer than pollution, if it's made, if it's c o 2 or whatever use of antibiotics, dutch agriculture, it's champion of the world. right now when we focus on the weekend and the law, which is our plan from our minister, it will cause that probably about 40 percent of the debts promise to stop their business. and production will have to get away outside of home. you know, every country in the world is on the lower stand for nitrogen pollution for c o 2 or whatever problem. so when we get rid of that promise, all the pharmacy will need to take care of the same production. we need more land use, more use of water and hold. the problem said, natasha. i say, you know, you can say something about water quality and it always can be improved. we have innovations for that. but when you put food production to other countries in the
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world, stand us a lower. so then in 10 years time, the dutch citizens are eating foods which is produced on the lowest and then it's produced right now. you know, when we want to solve a problem, we have not only all in a world, but we need to see climate and nitrogen as a worldwide problem. and then we can improve the world by get a dutch stand, it's not only to get rid of farmers and along because it's only moving the problem away out of the side and nothing is self. so it's ridiculous and also fail. let me ask you this because from what i, if i understand this as in natasha correctly, the government has put money in place in order to be able to help farmers transition from live stock. this is predominantly lifestyle farming that we're talking about to move from life to farming into crop. farming is providing money for farmers who feel that they're not able to meet the standards so that the farms will be bought out. it seems to me as though the government is at least putting
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some money towards us. let me ask you this. what is preventing lifestyle? farmers from making the transition from animal to crop farm. and the, the biggest, the biggest issue is that the government as well as in reachable goals in, in for themselves. they just, and they only speaking family with farms. they are not interested in any innovation or in any solution what they reach also from the agriculture sector. we are, we are working as cultural sector already for decades on innovation and solutions for us to reduce our emissions and what's happening, what's, well, what's happening know is the, our government and the point of one of the $62.00 areas of which nature of this nature they want to have some, some have just unit which,
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which they want to have to comb or they want to have to protect some, some, some little in sexual something to. so it's really nice and we like it was found that the biggest issue with the, with, if they using the not, not, not region goals every, every, just the whole little less or farmers all citizens. we still have a huge problem because we have the nitrogen and the model quality, which is coming from the eastern part of europe and what's floating into your into a devil. and so we can do what you want and you can try to to, to do the best that is not reachable. it's not possible. furthermore, it's really nice to, to 5000000 euros for the euro for the, for the sector in the netherlands,
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for the farmers. but this is not the truth. first of all, they don't have money for it. and 2nd, they 2nd us, they have to who try to improve something and try to help the farmers with some change fits some changes. but if you look at what was happening a few weeks ago in our got of 11 of our government, we had a dutch from which getting money from the government for his nature goals. and the dutch governments are starting a was telling him ok, very nice that you changed your from to nature living and but this year we will end your payments for your, for all your f, which a so this guy was totally, totally lost and he doesn't know what to do because his compet is competent from
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yes, the griffith is from because the government is going to pay the the money. and the biggest issue is not going to spending. does they want to pay for everything? and they want to do a lot of things. they want to change and they won't change, but the funds most also to change but not 1st of all and this is the biggest issue natasha. do you think that given the, the food crisis that the world is facing at the moment because of the, the war in ukraine and the restrictions on grain and so forth? do you think that whilst 0 emissions may well be a great objective for governments around the world, this is not the right time for any government to, to, to be trying to bring in this kind of thing. it is the right time to make a change, and i honestly have been surprised by the arguments that the 2 other said they among those in your mind, telling us because i obviously feel that they are still in the ocean,
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that the metal and feeding world is not feeding the world because a lot of great also from the crazy boss, but also from birth hills. so it's coming to the lens to feed animals and these are feedstock that's can easily be used directly by humans too. so reducing meat and dairy in the netherlands in a very intensive way, which has been coughing a lot of damage to nature, a lot of damage to water quality and to our air quality and our health is not the solution for feeding the worlds and netherlands is being proud of, we are the best producers, but the best producers in the melons is maybe refers to the amount of production that we are doing per hector or per animal. but it has cost enormous society tools, environmental problems. so if you look at, if you take that into account and the societal cost that it's taking, apart from all the subsidies, it's farmers needs in order to make a living in the middle. and most farmers are dependent for half their income on
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european subsidies to, to survive. so the dutch system is broken and this is not only me as a major conservation is saying, this is what our government is saying. this is what many scientists are saying. so there is a change needed especially now with the in crisis because we need to feed the worlds in such a way that we use land efficiently. and to me it's not legit to mention that you feed animals the same crop and the same pulses that can be good directly to humans. so i do think, especially in this situation, that we both need to re thinking off the way we are producing and the way we are consuming and how to, to support it and major vote in the net since and world wide. and by the 1st, he is not nice to have nature and for wild animals, it's a need to f for us as humans because we are dependent on nature. if there are no pollinators anymore,
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then we don't have crops to eat. if we don't have that healthy soils, then we cannot produce food in the future. if we don't have healthy water streams and we cannot have drinking water. so i do think that the netherlands, especially because we have the most in terms of farming system in the worlds we, we are basically a wake up call for the rest of the world to change jerome. i want to bring in there . i want to bring you in there because on the back of what natasha is saying, given the fact that we are in this world wide food crisis that is facing and given the role that the netherlands is been playing as one of the major exporters of food to the world, this would sound like it would be a good opportunity for the netherlands to make the most of that to be able to break in. i believe i'm to break in frame just very quickly natasha. yeah, we are not the major x or 2, or else we are importing large quantities of expertise out one year mounted up with natasha. i'm going, i'm going to stop there and i take you want,
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i want to go very briefly to, to jerome. we only have about a minute left to wrong, given the fight coming back to my original point, given the situation in the world. this would be an opportunity for the netherlands to play a role in feeding the rest of the world. would it not be i'd to everybody's advantage to the farmers for the farmers to find a solution to this problem and quickly and get back to what they do, which is producing food just very briefly about yes, well, dutch agriculture can teach the world a lot of good things, and i think we but the before that we, we need to have an agriculture in all of which is big enough. you know, we're, when there's only 10 prompts left no less, they'll be gone. i become fees the road, how to do it. we may use solution for all problems in a world. that's why we don't every bottle or whatever. probably us dutch agriculture is needed for that. so i think we need to have strong national agriculture jerome we're going to leave it there,
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but thank you very much indeed to all 3 of you. i want to thank all our guests, sharon von mon, natasha on, on sale. man. just look clearly. there's a lot of debate to be hired here. thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time. visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. not facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a inside story for me, rob matheson and the entire year. and i forgot the me. in the 19 fifties and sixties african countries gained independence from the colonizers and increased efforts to reclaim the cultural heritage. 6000 body. this story. yes, it's very hard. this new series reveals how european countries refused their
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