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ah, dutch followers are angry. they say plans by the government to reduce nitrogen emissions, will harm their livelihood. benevolence is the 2nd largest agricultural export. so what does this gonna mean for global food supplies? this is insight story. ah, hello, welcome to the program. i'm rob madison. farmers in the netherlands are blocking roads, setting fire to haystacks,
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and even driving tractors through the streets of the hague. it's all in protest against laws that regulate emissions produced by livestock, but a likely to have a major impact on the farming community and the larger economy. the netherlands has failed to meet its emissions reduction targets. so permits for new homes and roads have not been granted since 2019 to prevent further pollution. and the government's introducing tough new rules. it's $100000000000.00 food export industry. one of the biggest in the world could be badly affected. and this is happening when the water ukraine is already putting global food supplies at risk. now we're going to bring in our guests in a moment. first the support from step vasa and neck in the netherlands. farmers have had they want to paralyze the entire country. they have announced that they want to block access to the main airport ship whole order, airport support, and rotterdam, the situation has to be escalating between farmers organizations to farmers themselves and also the government on the other side in the last couple of weeks
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that have been promised detained at certain actions. police was involved that has been aggression all to towards the minister. and now here we are, the food distribution center, one of the 25 that are being blocked today by farmers. and let's have a look around to see the trucks here they were ready to go to supermarket full of foods, meet dairy products. you can hear the cooling machine still running, but they can go anywhere. because look at the other side, there are tractors, there are trucks, they are pharmacists sitting here, they say no farmers, no food. so they say we want to let the people in an island know that the farms can be closed because they are very essential for food production around the country. so government has announced that the farms have to got more than 50 percent of the nitrogen emissions in some areas, even up to 19 percent has been research showing that the effects of nitrogen
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pollution on the ecosystems. and the balance is pretty dramatic. and the pharmacy, i also say that these figures are not correct. they say that we want the better solution. the government has announced that he wants a mediator to be involved, but to farms promise. i said this mediator is not acceptable to the sitting here waiting here for maybe 2 up to 2 days. some of them we've spoken to them before have already sold their farms because they were not capable financially to run their business. you can see here, nope. and if there is no thomas, there won't be food in the supermarkets. that's what they say. so was even lab wrong, some hey, this is sitting here on it. they're brought, there wouldn't show us. it's really a protest. they said they had no choice. we are fed up. and if you push us to the limits and this is what we're gonna do. but the question of us remains today,
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how did that publicly will respond to this no food audit to sales into the market today? so what's the plan that's caused so much anger? well, dutch farmers have been told to cut nitrogen emissions between 12 to 70 percent, depending on how close they are to conservation areas. those areas are part of what the european union is calling, not sure that 2000, it's the largest coordinated network of protected areas in the world. farmers whose land is inside natural reserves. we'll have to cut by 90 percent. and those who can't do that, we'll have one of 3 options. switch to crop farming, relocate or quit the trade. ah, okay, let's bring it, i guess they're all joining us from the netherlands in z alder. we have sharon vine, mon, and he's a dairy farmer and a protest organizer in amsterdam. natasha. all a man is a footing. agriculture expert at the world wide fund for nature,
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netherlands and holton. they are. amanda sloped as a mediator between producers and buyers that agra. com is also a member of aggregate is one of the largest farmers action groups in the netherlands. very warm welcome to you all. thank you very much and for being with us, natasha. i want to start with you. this is about nitrogen and ammonia at its heart, what, why they thought to be so bad. no ammonia, nitrogen specifically has a huge impact on biodiversity, especially in nature areas. and of fortunately that the cultural sector is one of the major contributions to nitrogen emissions affecting biodiversity in the netherlands, we still have, we are facing a bite of hershey crisis. and this is because of the decade of government looking away. and finally, the government has made a decision to do something about it. and this is causing the major disruption because the pharmacy weren't aware that they needed to change. but basically this is not a surprise. it has been going on for decades. and now there's finally an opportunity
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to make this change and to have the budgets to be able farmers to actually transition to a more sustainable nature friendly way of producing foods. 0, you're shaking your head there. is this about nitrogen and pollution, or is there something else going on here? now, well, we have had a few different problems, but the main cause of this all because so my left a bodies in the dutch government, one use reduction of the dutch national or at least by 30 percent. well, they wanted to have 50 percent, but that's the main cause of all. and let me look into the nature of the point like natasha was telling you about reports. all of them say over the last few years, 85 percent of that nature is in perfect condition. of the 50 percent of the nature which is nothing good condition. there are about $1500.00 ways to improve the
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nature and about 50 percent of the safety and that way it's not even done yet in the netherlands. and nigeria and pollution is only one of them. so that's what the problem is. i say some bit of major that 50 percent needs to be improved. that's okay. but then we use all the different ways you can do to improve nature and emotion is only one of them. so in this case, and what we also say as agricultural sector over the last 30, yes, we already reduced almost 70 percent as agriculture sector. so on this point that no, no, no, the sector did a reduction like you did over the last 30 years. natasha. i know you want to come in, but i do want to bring in to amanda sloan here. that, that government, as natasha was explaining it has brought together some sort of attempt at a solution. and yet it seems to be constantly rejected by the farmers. why none of
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these solutions acceptable? the government, there isn't the only working in what way we, we are, but the problems organization and the government. i think almost thousands of suggestions to do something that doesn't tend to reduce that nitrogen and describe it to us throughout the nature. but it's not about the nitrogen, it's about a re, a re arranging the public space in the netherlands. and this is the only reason why the government is not speaking with farmers, but, but over farmers and not, not is not just taking the shape well. the foremost wants to get to the government because we are the best. the farmers get off the flesh,
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suggestions about lowering nitrogen and trying to make the nature better to help the environment to do something with the water. well, it isn't over the long and the dish government just the standing something above the your about your, the call goals and not about nothing about that innovation. and then we'll submit the solutions. so this is, this is, this is the reason why we, we, why we are in this way of testing because because the government is not listening in any way to the farmers. they just taking their own way and going straightforward to, to reach gaggle instead of looking at nature because the pharmacy nature to really
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talk to you in the highest level in the world. and while the moment this happening is that the government just telling something about about nitrogen and, and in a lot of a lot of higher levels. but the topic, but of the, if this were really a problem, then they would also suggest to speak about our was about frightful, about the, by just straight as much traffic in this kind of thing. but none of them are involved in some little measures. only the landscape in the pharmacy will be treated by our government. so this is not ok and this doesn't let me bring you in there because both of your own and they are saying that this is the nitrogen and the impact of nitrogen. and ammonia is forms a small. busy part of fan of the situation that in fact this is about a wider issue that the government is actually wanting to change the land use within
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the country. what's your response? how do you react to that? my responses as follows. there is no doubt by diversity is effective by nitrogen, and there are numerous reports indicating that but something needs to change and not from an ecological perspective, but also from a legal perspective. and that's why the highest gordon annella's rules, if nitrogen depositions in the netherlands, an emissions should reduce by 50 percent in 2030. so but apart from that, i agree with the other speakers that there is more happening in the netherlands because we also have a water quality. they have an air quality problem. water quality in the netherlands is far below what is needed to comply with the what the framework directed in europe. so our drinking was for our, our brand water is at the moment, so pollutants and a good filter is also one of the producers of death. so apart from nitrogen affecting by diversity, we are also talking about air pollution and water pollution. and this is also the
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reason i think why we need to have a transition of agriculture that the speaking all those boxes are things that need to change. and it's major transformation of agriculture, even though it will affect farmers who can also be seen as an opportunity to really transition a broken food system into a system that is good for nature, but also provide to future farmers and the future. because the system that we are right now is a system that is broken and is not working for farmers every day, 5 farmers in the middle and stop their business because there is no future. so the current system is not working for pharmacy, it's not working for by diversity is not working for our health because the air quality in another lunch is really below the level that is healthy. so i do agree with them that not only agriculture needs to change, but we also have to look at a traffic at industries and so on. effect this. and that's the thing with the
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nitrogen case is that agriculture at the moment and especially dairy farming is contributing the most with 60 percent of the national emissions is being caused by that, mainly to every sector. so that's the start of the change, but i totally agree that we have to look much broader. and we have to look at a situation in which the current system in the netherlands both for producing and the way we use our land needs to be rearranged. and if means, especially to farmers, that transition is needed, but that's why the government also with 35000000000 euros and in the budget over the next decades to help her that transition into sports transition. and i would really, really feel you if farmers would come up with an offer in how they can contribute and what the price and the costs are that society also has to pay. because i do think as this program is not being caused by farmers, because they're also the victim of the current system. but as the farmers out
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a solution and they can help in bringing the netherlands to a future where it's green. not only for nature, but also for us, people may stop you there because i want to bring in jerome. forgive me for interrupting you, but i want to bring in jerome because he clearly as has got very strong feelings about this, joan, explain something to me because from what i've heard so far, the government seems to have an end goal of improving the environment within the netherlands, so to the farmers from what i was saying, it's intrinsic to the farmers, it's important to the farmers that nature should be sustained, that their livelihood should be sustained. where's where does this breaking down? where is the problem with this? that when you're both working towards the same and goal, if you're like, you can't find some sort of common ground to be able to move forward. but i wanted to respond on what mission said that just try right now. and it's not true, it's, and it's very good also, whatever problem you look at,
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it's nitrogen pollution. if it's made, if it's c o 2 or whatever, add use of antibiotics, dutch agriculture, it's damped in the world. right now when we focus on the weekend and the law, it's our plan from our minister. it will cause that probably about 40 percent of the dutch promise to stop their business and production will have to get away outside of all on you know, every country in the world is on the lower stand for nitrogen pollution for c o 2 or whatever problem so when we get rid of that promise, all the farmers in the will need to take care of the same production. we need more land use that more use of water and all the problems natasha. i say, you know, you can say something about water quality and it always can be improved. we have innovations for that. but when you put food production to other countries in the
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world, stand us a lower. so then in 10 years time, the dutch citizens are eating foods which is produced on the lowest and then it's produced right now. you know, when we want to solve a problem, we have not only all in a world, but we need to see climate and nitrogen as a worldwide problem. and then we can improve the world by getting to standards, not only to get rid of farmers and along because it's only moving the problem away out of the side and nothing yourself. so it's ridiculous and also let me ask you this because from what i, if i understand this as in natasha correctly, the government has put money in place in order to be able to help farmers transition from livestock. this is predominantly lifestyle farming that we're talking about to move from life to farming into crop. farming is providing money for farmers who feel that they're not able to meet the standards so that the farms will be bought out. it seems to me as though the government is at least putting
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some money towards us. let me ask you this. what is preventing lifestyle? farmers from making the transition from animal to crop farm. and the, the biggest, the biggest issue is that the government is enrichment goals in for themselves. they just and they only speaking a whole family with farms. they are not interested in any innovation or in any solution what they reach also from the agriculture sector. we are, we are working through sector already for decades on innovation and solutions for us to reduce our emissions and what's happening. well, what's happening now is our government and oriented $162.00 areas of which nature of this nature, they want to have some, some happy justin it, which,
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which they want to have to comb or they want to have to protect some, some, some little in sexual something, so it's really nice and we like it was found that the biggest issue is that with the, with if they using the nuts and not, not region goals every, every, just the whole, less or farmers all citizens. we still have a huge problem because we have the nitrogen and the model quality, which is coming from the part of europe and what's floating into your into a devil. and so we can do what you want and you can try to, to do it to do the best. what you have that is not reachable. it's not possible. furthermore, it sounds really nice to 5000000 euros for the euro for the, for the 2nd in the netherlands to the farmers. but this is not the truth. first of
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all, they don't have the money for it. and 2nd is that they 2nd is they have to who try to improve something and try to help the farmers with some change fits some changes. but if you look at lot sharpening a few weeks ago in our goal of one dutch from which getting money from the government for his nature goals and the dutch government are starting. i was telling him ok, very nice that you changed your from to nature living and but this year we will end your payments for your, for all your f, which a so this guy was totally, totally lost and he doesn't know what to do because his company is competence from
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yes of griffith is from because the government is going to pay the the money and the biggest issue is not going to spending. does they want to pay for everything? and they want to do a lot of things and they won't do all the change in the won't change. but the phones most also to change, but not 1st of all, and this is the biggest issue natasha. do you think that given the, the, the food crisis that the world is facing at the moment because of the, the war in ukraine and the restrictions of grain and so forth? do you think that whilst 0 emissions may well be a great objective for governments around the world, this is not the right time for any government to be trying to bring in this kind of thing. it is the right time to make a change, and i honestly have been surprised by the arguments that the 2 others said they among others. and you don't mind telling us because i obviously feel that they are
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still in the ocean, that the metal and feeding world is not feeding the world because a lot of grains also from the crazy boss, but also from brazil. so it's coming to been deadlines to feed animals. these are feedstock that's can easily be used directly by humans too. so, reducing need and dairy in the netherlands in a very intensive way, which has been coughing a lot of damage to nature. a lot of damage to water quality and to our air quality in our health is not a solution for feeding. the world's netherlands is being proud of. we are the best producers, but the best producers in the midlands is maybe refers to the amount of production that we are doing per hector or per animal. but it has cost enormous society tools, environmental problems. so if you look at, if you take that into account and the societal cost that it's taking, apart from all the subsidies that farmers need in order to make a living in the middle. and most farmers are dependent for half their income on
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european subsidies to, to survive. so the dutch system is broken and this is not only me as a major conservation is saying, this is what our government is saying. this is what many scientists are saying. so there is a change needed especially now with the in crisis because we need to feed the worlds in such a way that we use land efficiently. and to me it's not legit to mention that you feed animals the same crop. and the same goal says this can be good directly to humans. so i do think, especially in this situation that we both need to re thinking off the way we are producing and the way we are consuming and how to, to support it. and major vote in the net since in world light, and by the 1st he is not nice to have nature and for wild animals, it's a need to have for us as humans, because we are dependent on nature. if there are no pollinators anymore,
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then you don't have crops to eat. if we don't have that healthy soils, then we cannot produce food in the future. if we don't have healthy water streams and we cannot have drinking water. so i do think that the netherlands, especially because we have the most in terms of farming system in the worlds we, we are basically a wake up call for the rest of the world to change jerome. i want to bring in there . i want to bring you in there because on the back of what natasha is saying, given the fact that we are in this world wide food crisis that is facing and given the role that the netherlands is been playing as one of the major exporters of food to the world, this would sound like it would be a good opportunity for the netherlands to make the most of that to be able to break in. i believe i'm to break into frame just very quickly natasha. yeah, we are not the major or 2 worlds. we are importing large one, exporting large one, the amount that natasha, i'm a great, i'm gonna stop you there and i take you want,
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i want to go very briefly today to jerome. we only have about a minute left to wrong, given the fact coming back to my original point, given the situation in the world, this would be an opportunity for the netherlands to play a role in feeding the rest of the world. would it not be? i would, to everybody's advantage to the farmers for the farmers to find a solution to this problem and quickly and get back to what they do, which is producing food. just very briefly, i tried, but i'm yes, well, dutch agriculture can teach the world a lot of good things. and i think we but the before that we, we need to have an agriculture in all of which is big enough. you know where, when there's only 10 farms left, now let's, we'll be going over the world how to do it. we may use solutions for all problems in a world. that's why we will jump on every bottom, whatever, probably us, we don't need it for that. so i think we need to have strong national agriculture
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sector jerome. we're going to leave it there, but thank you very much indeed to all 3 of you. i want to thank all our guests on van mon and natasha on and say on monday, we're clearly there's a lot of debate to be hired here. thank you to for watching, you can see the program again. any time visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. not facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a inside story for me, rob matheson and the entire year, and i forgot the me ah and
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