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representatives from 40 countries and international organizations of disgust, the reconstruction of ukraine, not after but while the fighting still rages. but isn't this a little premature? and will the principles they agree on have any lasting impact? this is inside story. ah, hello, welcome to the program, sell rahman, more than 4 months of war has destroyed countless cities and towns in ukraine. its

allies, though, want to start rebuilding as soon as possible. more than 40 nations and international organizations have outlined priorities for the reconstruction of ukraine. they met 2000 kilometers west of keys in the swiss city of la garner, where they agreed on the la gonna principles. the guidelines include straining the rule of law, fighting corruption and improving sustainability. but it's no small task prime minister, dennis chappelle estimates the cost of rebuilding ukraine at $750000000000.00. what the binds, all of us in this room together, is the desire in this time of her horror, wanton destruction, and grief. to bride, the people of ukraine was the prospect of a return to a life of self determination. peace and a bright future. not road is long, but it is never too early to prepare for the time. when the weeping and fall silent,

europe has a special responsibility and a strategic interest to be at ukraine side. every step of the way. ukraine wants to be part of our european union, and we want ukraine to become a member of the european union. ukraine is highly motivated to work with that in this direction. and we will do our at most, to support these efforts. will russia need to be held to account for this? a pull in war has been pub traded in ukraine, and we all looking at options for deploying the top russian assets. we discuss it at the g 7 and many of our will say, looking at how we can make sure that russia is contributing to your credit recovery . well, begin our discussion in the name of the 1st. ellen fisher has this report from the

ukranian city of been when the international community is told it will take somewhere in the region of $750000000000.00 to rebuild ukraine. it sounds like a lot of money because it is a lot of money. and a lot of that will be spent on big infrastructure programs are rebuilding bridges and roads rebuilding the water system that have been destroyed in the 1st few months of the war. but also boils down to something like this. a place where a women called natalia, called home. she lived here with her 3 children and her husband and it was destroyed during the rush in advance. and as you can see, there's absolutely nothing left everything she has has gone. and there are more thousands of homes, tens of thousands of homes around this country. that'll have to be rebuilt. even today we're seeing engineers and builders who are looking at buildings near by that have been hit and affected by what's happened over the last couple of months to see what can be rebuilt or what will have to be pulled down. and all of that course

money. no, we know that in the early days of the war, some 6000000 people left the country there. 8000000 internally displaced people. and many of them haven't seen their homes yet. they will come back to seems like this places that are absolutely completely destroyed and to rebuild them. the ukranian government knows it needs money and to rebuild them. the ukrainian government knows that that money has to come from international donors, but natalia also wants the international community to know that when they give that money to helping her and her family get back into a home. because at the moment all they have is nothing. alan fisher, for inside story, the spring in august for this edition of inside story in copenhagen alena pro co panko, the co chair woman of the transatlantic task force on ukraine and a fellow at the german marshall fund of the united states in london. timothy ash,

a senior emerging market sovereign struck just a blue they asset management, and in christian sun, norway 100. she left a director of the security studies program at ukrainian prison, a foreign policy and security think tank. i will welcome to all of my guests, elena, can just begin with you. i mean, there was no over this conferences on talking about reconstruction, even only last week at the nato conference in madrid, ukraine, the ukraine, and his president were asking for more munitions. the war is ongoing. is this a subject that's far too early to be discussed and far too early to be having a meeting about? well, given the immensity of the construction needs, under construction efforts that ukraine vote has to engage in, want to not start too early. it is critical that by the time one, it will be possible to start the actual construction old enough. so you, financial and political mechanisms are in place. moreover, the recovery will,

of course require, must have financial resources. therefore, it is already important, important and crucial to start confiscating russian acids in the west so that they are readily available by the time when the circumstances allow for their construction to start. and finally, this immense effort will require our extending coordination, coordination of a very complex pool of actors in ukraine and abroad before this conference for an important opportunity to set up those conversation mechanisms and to establish the platforms that will allow for the coordination to start and the approaches to this recovery have been agreed on. of course we're going to delve in today's issues within the next half hour. how would you agree with all of that? yes, but also you need to understand that when we're talking about so called marshall plan will ukraine, we are talking not only about the physical records structure of all those object

that the non detroit in the territory of ukraine. first of all, i even been asking for the restoration all schools hospital. that's only what you need already at the liberated territories. but also all is nice that ukraine requested a lot of them are going for the reforms you 4 are needed for the european integration of the country. and ukraine just received the status of the company. some of them are needed for the energy independence of the country. that's also the question that we already can resolve lot waiting for the i and all the were some that are for the digitalization ukraine already been on the passa are in these direction. and considering how now in the work conditions, a lot of the processes been worth about implementing the offline. so digital press, where are the estate services, for example, is what an important way soon, what we have on that instructions not only the reconstruction that it's more the recovery and the modernization and development black exactly what the marshall plan

being there are 7 years ago of course, tim could bring you in here because obviously this meeting that sir is, is happening in switzerland. a slightly moved from what would have been really any you meeting to discuss how ukraine needs to improve to become any you member into what is now a larger conversation about it you ukraine's recovery after a war planning these sorts of things are one thing setting about how you get the money together and who does what is an immense task. and with that comes a very large price tag. when you heard about this, what was your initial reaction about trying to rebuild while as a war still growing on? well, the, the 2 phase to this, right, the 1st one is funding ukraine's conduct to the war and make sure it was successful . and numbers came out this week about the 65000000000. so you random, then when the present there is going to be a piece, we will need to be a reconstruction. and i think the west will,

will want to make sure that ukraine is successful so that we're in so, so the reconstruction numbers that we mentioned, i mean 700000000000. it's finger in the stuff really. i mean, kind of what we know is there's been a big, real g, d, p, declining ukraine, probably $0.30 to the dollar exchange rate move. if you think about dollar g, d p was about $200000000000.00 before there was probably going to be about $100000000.00 after that $100000000000.00 loss. and then the infrastructure here has already been mentioned. huge impact on call on roads on schools, hospitals. you name it, you know, it's very hard to put a figure on that. i mean, the kind, it's been quite systematic. they've gone through the list of, of big infrastructure they've lost and they also thinking about housing, residential spectrum. they come to that and under billions, you know, it could be anywhere from $300.00 to $700.00, but it's a very, very big number and someone's going to pay for it. and this is already been mentioned. there is already a big pot of money. there is very accessible,

less $300000000000.00 of frozen central bank of russia reserves. it's in the fed, it's in the bank of england, the c b. we have access to it. i think it should be confiscated and used very current rate ukraine reconstruction. and it's ridiculous the thing the western tax pays have got to pay the $70000000000.00 when the country that's been doing the damage. russia, it's clear cuts russian missiles, russia tax on ukraine, is responsible for war crimes. and the loss of a huge amount of instruction should pay the money that we need to make sure we make the legal changes required if there are any changes needed to make sure these russian assets are deployed. so ukraine to from that reconstruction. and so let me just quickly come in there because that's part of the next question is, is there a legal way to fund this? when you talk about the oligarchy and confiscating that money without them coming back to you might say the courts in the future and saying what was done to us was

unfair and illegal. have you ever had any experience or through your contacts of this sort of scenario? that, that this could, this could happen, it is a possibility. or are we actually venturing into new areas of the sort of legal realm of confiscating individual's assets and using them to rebuild a country? well, there is a precedent which was the 1st gulf war when iraq was made to pay reparations to q a on the sovereign side. i think it should be fairly clear coats, you know, the 300000000000 in assets. i meant this was the central bank of russia. that's essentially the russian states. i think we'd all accept the russian state is responsible for this war, so it should be made to pay. and then that's the only got money. i mean, again, i'm, you know, i'm not quite sure exactly how much it has has been froze, but we talking about tens of billions of dollars. and then i think it's a case by case basis. and i think it's up to the,

the western legal authorities to make sure they build a good cap starting case. but remember, you know, many of these oligarchs are extensions of the russian states their, their enterprises very often act on russian state interests. so again, the west will have to prove that the g 7 communicate from last week, spelled out. i mean, essentially that we want to explore ways to do this. it's up to the individual. it's a case by case basis depends on the individual western countries in their own legal system. how we do it like a 100 you you want to come in there? yes, i absolutely agree are regarding the steve marley, whether both the oligarchs you need to on their ceiling or crate. you are 1st of all the most of those who's frozen as we have espn albia under the sanction. and in the center mechanism that it's reading, there are clearly why they are, they are not just because the origin, but because they had a very direct connection to the cram and they are supporting the a policies bards out from another side. we are,

can make the barrels. we the latest you can legislation, for example, when we need to prove what is here from where is your essence? yup. when you're buying, for example, our property elanda. and that's been done. exactly, because a lot of all the russian oligarchs and the state 0 mean just wondering money, nor are london and in general in the united kingdom. so here it is the same. if this only person will be able to prove where is this money? if this money a leader or not, and as we know for many olean, this tv shows about the offshore and about the activities of these oliver most of these money, they will not be able to prove all what is the real, are source on that? okay, well let me come to alina then, because obviously, if you have this big pot of money available, and that's very of this options of our oligarchy. money that's been confiscated. there's also the talk of going to financial institutions, of which we have tim here, obviously as an expert to talk to us about it. but much as being said, alaina about the marshall plan. obviously for some views who might not know what

that is. it was a plan are created by the americans in europe after a post world war 2, to rebuild europe, and to make sure that trade and communities could thrive after what was a terrible global conflict. much has been said about the marshall plan and implications of that. in this particular case, do you see similarities that can be used? or several, i'd like to say, but during the, sorry ukraine recovery conference and taking place look, i know there have been a number of law and electoral commitments made in terms of reconstruction. the train the you announce that it would sub wish a platform for you quin recovery and we'll allocate 100000000000 euros for the recovery effort. there were also a number of commitments from the level partners to take over the construction of specific ring and city some regents. but i got the impression that the marshall plan, per se, in its full and its full fledged version,

is not perceived by ukraine schemes. national partners of something about timely right now, it seems like these individual efforts and sitting out of the general reconstruction platform will be the focus on the, the, the, the priority for the next few months. whereas the full fledged marshal plan is something that's national partners seem to be putting on hold right now. and i didn't get the impression that this is something that's already discussed in depth in the framework of the conference. and let me bring in here because obviously a lot of money and figures is being banded around at the moment, certainly by those that are at this conference in switzerland. and yet their respective populations are watching what's getting on the back how. what you're in london, alaina is in copenhagen, and hannah is in norway. and these countries are all offering money to ukraine at

a time. and i'm sure you can tell us about the markets where the public is worrying about how much food they can put on the table, how fuel prices are increasing. and they're seeing that government offering another nation billions and billions of dollars. how is that sitting within the markets about the way people feel and the way you're seeing investments? well, you know, i think populations in west european come to the western countries. i think you're understanding of ukraine's point. i think people get it that this is a challenge to our system of government. you know, the way we were, the way we live person is a threat. there is a cost in the price to pay. unfortunately, you know, it's been paid through high inflation. it's very painful, our government's need to work harder to get support the perceptions of, of our population premiums. now we have to think, how are we going to pay this? and again, going back. why should western taxpayers pay when there is hundreds of billions of

dollars of russian money sticking in in the west that we can use for the reconstruction? so in reality, there's no reason why western taxpayers should have to pay for this. no rush. it should have to pay for the damage it's, it's been carried out and you would have, you mentioned the mob. i mean, one thing that, you know, the market can partner up with the official sector with the taxpayer, west taxpayer, and the russian central bank of cetera. and, you know, big banks, international financial markets. i think we'll be willing to buy into the ukraine recovery piece official lenders need to think carefully about, you know, how the moment ukraine support is working at the moment. ukraine's falsified 1000000000 monthly deficit is being funded by some western government for a lot of it has been funded by that at the end of the ukraine could end up with a 100 percent that g d p ratio. then the default that restructuring,

which would actually make the market access very difficult. once the warrens, you could have a complicated that restructuring and the market access will be limited to the private sector will be less willing to learn. so i think those governments that are providing funding to ukraine to moment needs to change the orientation away from that. so credit to sorry, graham a, that's an interesting way looking at because hannah, obviously it's been made very clear by everybody that's attending in switzerland. but this is not a pledging conference, it's a way of looking forward and how much all of this would would cost. and i could see a lot alaina also agreeing to that. but we've seen historically hannah pledging conferences in the book before kind of stuff. yemen, syria, somalia, palestine, a new rack. in some cases they benefited on a very small level to these sorts of pledging conferences and the money i've actually turned up. do you think this is going to be different? this is going to be different 1st of all, because that is not just

a pleasure conference, but that is the conference said both the record structure of the crate and the war in ukraine and the regional day will be before the work. because the last several months to go is exactly the craig conference. we had to go over the, in the london in the public high. ah, he says there will be. and that is the force of the thieves already. and those who become near the thought, also motor warranty ukraine, what ukraine can do. so that is not just be a conference of donors and does that name, develop the theory, right, well yeah. even begun in dollars conference, landey. we're coming looking what they have in their pocket and how they can force or they are still in rack construction. you'd be canceling. the idea behind these congress in law, i mean much wider began o as partners, ukraine, and our, our brightness around the world wanted to discuss would be the future of ukraine. what type of friend who would like to be so it's not just money that we are dealing

to referenced on the school, but also how to make ukraine more efficient. and in terms of, we're how to help our financial system or what to do with our energy system. soon when we're coming to the end of the war are we are not starting from this break, but we'll say already have a certain plan. i wouldn't each of you grace should be, i've never seen what it should be. it should be done already, not wasting time when the wizell and of course. so that's an overview, of course a loaner kind of bring you in here because it's estimated that 45000000 square meters of housing has been destroyed. 256 enterprises, 656 medical institutions, and 1177 educational institutions have been damaged or destroyed, or seized. obviously the job pos for stores from the bottom upwards. and you have to start on a small level to get the community involved at the ground level. i mean, how do you see recovery?

it's easy to sort of say so much money is required for all of this, but somebody has to actually do it. and they have to organize it. well, how do you see the process moving on? i will, i'd like to, to come back on and what's her on the previous, the sad about this, this conference be not just about recovery, but also thought reforms and, and her, it's, there is a number of very concrete steps that the king and government can already move forward with, without waiting for the war to be one. and i and i believe that the steps will be critical for the success of their construction effort dimensionally and primarily mean, of course, and aggression efforts and an upper up conditionality that ukraine committed to comply with. when it was given the candidate status recently, it is critical to to ensure the appointment of the leadership of interruptions fusions. and while the crane has one of the most advanced and corruption infrastructures in the world, it is important to make it fully functional. and there are

a number of other steps that are important to, to conduct them to, to make right now as to the process going forward. i think that while the partnerships and packages that help them announce that this conference are, are quite impressive. and some ukraine, very much appreciate that. i believe more systems, packages and commitments will follow. as soon as the korean government releases the finalized plan of the recovery. because as of now at the conference on the summary of the planet for your to the plan have been now and now. so i believe it is important to see just to see the detailed plan in each of the specific area for the international community to be able to commit. so yes, it is not a pledge in conference because the war is still ongoing. and because the recovery plan is still a living document and it is really critical to engage local communities

to engage mayor's, engage original leadership, because this is what the transition reform was. what for this you? this is why this is why the last 8 here have been have been committed among other reforms, to making sure that communities have a say and have the seat of the table in the and the efforts to reform the country, including now on the recovery of so i and i can see some concerns with regard to making this recovery process includes the enough, let me let me just jump in because hundreds of green. i want to just come back to timothy because obviously tim, you know, the financial institutions are listening to the noise is coming out of laguna at the moment. of these assaults, of these sorts of conversations, words they want to hear about, you know, dealing with corruption, getting the community involved in, at the grassroots level. because even bach has spent,

who's head of the european international bank is saying that, you know, you have to start at a micro level. you have to thought at ground level to start rebuilding. and you also have to make sure the bus stop. well, i mean, you need pace, you need macro stability issues like fighting corruption with that before the, all they're going to be there after the war. but what i would highlight, i mean, if you can get an impression that somehow the west needs to intervene. you know, run the crane after after the war. i mean, actually, ukraine is have done an incredible job in stopping an enormous russian military machine. i mean, they showed ingenuity and innovation. no, the, the electricity works. the railways were institutions work. i mean, that's awfully remarkable. so i think once the war stops new train and not the old ukraine, which was probably only galks, i think the real opportunity again to flourish and build on what was achieved get

during this, this conflict, which is, you know, uniting the country focusing the country on delivering a victory, and i think, you know, it's, it's almost like a state of israel by the ukraine, right? i mean, it's kind of, you know, they, they rallied around they, they work together and achieve some remarkable thing that i think actually, the reconstruction recovery could be a huge success. you know, with this, with this focus with the bishop, with west bull, we financing, hopefully from those frozen russian assets and the innovation ingenuity. that is, you know, 40000000 people based country, important country in europe can deliver nothing but the private sector will be very interesting. to get involved in that, what we see, what happens of fortune, we have to leave it. there has been a very interesting chance. sure. we'll come back with again in the future. let's think, my guess atlanta cracow, panko in copenhagen, timothy ash, in london. and hannah shall act in christians and in no way. and thank you for watching this edition of inside story. you can see the problem again. any time by

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