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the head of the human rights group, amnesty international says the events of recent days show the work of the security council is now virtually paralyzed to he will doing a different system the security council as well as he's clearly demonstrating that she has upon the end of its pass right now, something else need to come up with just the 6th month extension members of the security council will have to renegotiate humanitarian aid in syria in january. that's a time of year when conditions are particularly tough for people in northern syria because of the harsh wintery weather. james bayes al jazeera of the united nations . ah, this is all 0, these are the top stories. joe biden has arrived and israel on his 1st visit to the middle east as u. s. president, a promise to advance israel's regional integration biden. we'll also meet
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palestinian leaders in the occupied westbank. we're going to deepen our connections in science and innovation and work to address global challenges through the new strategic high level dialogue on technology will continue to advance as we're as integration of the region, expand, emerging forms and engagement like the new i to you to summit which will bring israel, the united states, the u. a together, and india as well. to deepen our economic cooperation between the middle east and in pacific. stephanie decker's in western rosella with more on biden's agenda. is taking a tour a still at a ben curry and airport in tel aviv being shown at the iron dome. which of course, is a, israel's military method that they use to intercept rockets from gauze and also being showed the iron beam, which is the new laser system not yet being employed on the ground. of course, israel. yeah, the usaa is a major donation. and when it comes to money,
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when it comes to the military, here after that, we expect him to come out here to jerusalem. and very soon around 60000 police officers have been deployed ah, across the area to secure his visit. he's staying not far from where we are roads or blocked. euro's inflation for june, hit our 40 year high of 9 point one percent. that's higher than predicted. prices of food and housing are increasing much faster than average us incomes with black and hispanic americans. hottest hit, the euro currency is dipped below parity with the u. s. dollar and trading on wednesday is the lowest valuation of the u currency since 20 o. 2 has been driven by fears of a global recession was growing anger, and sher lanka were thousands of people had gathered up primer. so running wickland signers offices in colombo, demanding his resignation, is taken over his acting president. after go to buy a raj, a pucks of float, the country and burton, hong kong, protest, known as grandma wall,
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has treated guilty to charges of unlawful assembly. alexandra wong was known for wavy of british flag, or taking part in the 2019 protest movement. there was the headlines coming up next to on al jazeera. it's the stream, goodbye. talk to al jazeera. we ask, can you be more specific? how many folks are you asking for? and what kind of military equipment we listen, asked the people of cuba industry. if there is a difference between donald trump and joe bite for them, it's saying we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera, i i am at much aberdeen and welcome to the stream. it's been 2 months since our colleague al jazeera journalist, shitty in a ball player, was shot and killed by israeli forces while on assignment in janine 2 months,
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and still no accountability. the u. s. government's investigation into the palestinian americans. death has infuriated human rights advocates and left many wondering. will there ever be justice? joining me to discuss this in occupied east jerusalem. we have sharon's niece, lena block led joining us in ramallah and occupied west bank palestinian human rights advocate sala, his ozzy. and also in that i'm a law al jazeera correspondent nita ibrahim ah, welcome everyone. thank you for joining us. and if you're watching us on youtube, i should say we encourage you to join the conversation, leave your thoughts and questions, and our live chat. and we will try and address them during the discussion, lena, i have to start with you. the state departments statement contradicted the investigations by multiple media outlets are not only al jazeera sienna and the washington post the a p and the new york times, as well as international human rights groups. they started by proclaiming the origin of the bullet was inconclusive. and as you can see here,
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as spokesperson said, there is no reason to believe that this was intentional, but rather the result of tragic circumstances. we again offer our deepest condolences to the uh, block lay family, lena. how, how does this make you feel? this dismissive statement and the condolences attached well, 1st of all, thank you for having me on the show. and it's very important to note that we do not view this as an independent investigation as they are claiming it was near the review of israeli investigation details that we have never seen. and as a family, we are disappointed. and we were expecting that such an investigation would be, would be transparent and would actually hold the, hold them accountable, hold the perpetrators accountable. however, contrary to that, especially with regard to the unintentional gunfire,
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there has been inconsistencies and contradictions within their statement, especially following. the 4th of july, statement is on the 5th on 5th of july. during the press briefing, mister price was, was, can concede that, that nobody president was qualified enough to see that if it was intentional or not . so for us, we continue to believe that this entire investigation was not credible. and again, it continues to show the lack of transparency and the evidence based responses. right. and, you know, you bring up what the spokesperson sat. i mean, they also said very bizarre sort of justifications. when the criticisms emerge, that this was analytical and not scientific, which seems very bizarre. i mean, i have to ask you to forensic tests themselves were performed at the israeli police lab in jerusalem. and the us really only gave one can concession, right?
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when they said that it was likely responsible, israel was likely responsible with this in mind. i mean, what do you, what do you find is so problematic about statement and what is it revealed to us about the us role? it's reveals that the u. s. would always stand by israel, even if the crimes committed to by these weighty forces are being committed against that american citizen. it also reveals that they are so fixated on the issue of the bullet of their contradicting all the prestigious media outlets that have been conducting their own investigations. saying that it was clear that there was no palestinian shooting at the time when shooting was killed. so for palestinians, it's seen here as a facade, as a way for the us to show that it's going and currently doing an investigation and coming out with the results. but really that justice is not going to be served. not
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for sure read and not for many, many palestinians were killed by israeli forces before city and are still being killed after her. and i appreciate that context because you bring up the palestinian perspective, how they're reacting to this. of course it's not just palestinians and sala. i want to get your thoughts on what a guy odd, had to say he's the director of bit salem ah, the leading israeli human rights organization, which of course also contradicted the u. s. statement and squarely placed the blame on israel. let's take a listen to how he describes the cycle of impunity and violence. i'm sad, an outrage to say that based on the past experience, the odds for justice and accountability for the killing of sugar, nebraska. they are small and even existent. israel knows very well from past experience. as time passes and attention moves on the rage subsides,
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people forget, and it becomes ever so easier for israel and to get away with beginnings and face no accountability. this has happened hundreds of times in the past. that's israel's and play is very successful before in looking at what has transpired over the last 2 months. it seems that it's going to be successful, unfortunately for israel, this time as well. oh now what do you make that? well 1st we're not going to make it successful. this time we hope that shootings killing as a turning point when it comes to those impunity. but i agree with the guy 100 percent and it is easy for israel to get away with murder. in this case, system, the killing of us pinions the killing of shitty and follows a pattern of stomach killing against palestinians. that is part of is your system of apartheid against palestinians. and israelis enjoy this be impunity because of
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the u. s. and other western states that hold it to a different standard when it comes to international law, human rights and the rule of law. but israel is above the law. israel can get away with murder in plain sight. i mean, here we have a case where as you said, the numerous investigations by number of professional organizations, media, human rights forensic in there are witnesses. jonas, who are eye witnesses, to what happened. and yet we get the u. s. white washing with this ridiculous statement that comes out from the, from the state department. i mean, who was carrying out the investigation? you know, like the, you know, was saying this is nothing dependent. the sunny portion is not effective, it's not transparent. it's nothing that palestinians, or any investigation should, should be. it is simply a whitewash,
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and there were no criminal prosecutors in there to kind of point to intent. you know, when you talk about intent, your criminal prosecutors to be part of the team to really point and be able to show the evidence. look at the evidence that shows that we don't have that, that the u. s. s. c, which is the u. s. security, right? they need the right office in the responses. so no, no, no, no your, it's all very important to have this context, right? because i think this is intentionally, we're going to talk about intention nowadays. that meant to obfuscate meant to distract. and it's not just the wording and the structure of the statement that has come under fire. it's also the fact that it was released on july 4th, a major holiday when a lot of you know, americans and the public in general is not paying attention. i want to ask you lena, because you tweeted a statement by your family on july 4th. after the statement was made by the state department, you said you will continue to call for justice accountability and that you want to meet with president biden. when he arrives, i believe tomorrow to israel,
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this is his 1st trip to the region since taking office. he's going to started in israel, a country that has been for lack of a better word, building economic and political ties with its arab neighbors. and the agenda, or schedule or itinerary for those who may not know, does not include any visit to any of the sort of flash points, whether sell wine or, or massage it. he up by any of the areas and occupied west bank inside israel that are facing that are being oppressed and collectively punished. what do you want to say to president biden and, and oh, do you think he's going to meet with you? well, until today we haven't received any response from the us administration regarding a possible meeting. we are still waiting, i'm not sure if that's going to take place. but if we were to meet the present, i would reiterate that the amounts to them. as we stated in the letter,
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i also would like to hear what are their next steps, what the, what do they want to do? how do they want to hold israel accountable? and most importantly, i want to understand and get more information about their so called investigation and any other important details they have from forensic from from forensic investigation, anything they've gained from the israeli investigation. we deserve to know. we deserve to have more detail on the killing of shooting. and also we would like to ask them to retract the statement they released on the 4th of july, which did nothing to add value. and lastly, we would also like to ask them to direct all their attention and efforts to, to allow the f 2 column that the i to actually carry out an independence with them
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transparent investigation that is free from any political bias on any political pressure. because at this point, it is the by the administration has a choice. they can either support a meaningful effort for justice and accountability, or they can continue to perpetuate this cycle of israeli impunity. because as i was there earlier, this is the result of the impunity and the accountability, the lack of accounts. and fortunately from where i'm sitting, it seems as though they've already made that choice. i do still appreciate your comments and want to put them to an end. you know, we have the street from many israelis who follow this journalist and commentate is ab quoting a here saying president biden's visit to saudi arabia in israel. this week will be overshadowed by the absence of 2 journalists, unable to cover the events jamal, had shoji and shooting a blog. play. rob, is it realistic to choose to expect the state department or the biden
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administration to respond to any of the above placed families, as we just heard from, from lena's requests and concerns. and i'd demanding this retraction. for example, i mean, where can, where kit, what's realistic in terms of trying to hold israel accountable, not just for should ins, ah murder, but for anything i could tell you that palestinians do not trust that the u. s. administration is going to be the one to deliver them justice. it's a chance for them to show to the world that in the u. s. a. dealing with will standards, let's say mountain for a minute. if city in a bar, claire herself was covering the ukraine, a russia situation right now, and she was killed by a russian fire immediately with if seen they, us hold russia accountable, we would see sanctions. but because shooting herself is an american palestinian who
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was killed by israeli forces fire, we're seeing multiple attempts to delay to deflect, to try and say, oh, we're not so sure. we don't know it's an inconclusive. it was an target that, yeah, out to you know, it wasn't in the brit. how do you know it was a targeted up? so it's for palestinians, realistically speaking, they are not expecting justice from the u. s. administration, but they're not going to stop coal exports. right. and i want to talk about the geopolitical law objectives, perhaps that are that are demanding this choice by the u. s. government. i do want to ask you 1st though, solid. hm. you know the same and didn't say ballistic experts determined that the bullet was badly damaged and there was a lot of focus on the bullet. as we've heard. it seems odd to me that they're focusing so much on the bullet in doing so. what are they choosing not to focus on deliberately deflecting from this account? the journalists were there on the scene or from the forensic analysis of the body,
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how the bullets entered form, where, what the angle where you know the numbers in the numerous investigations that we've got, basically pointing to the direction that when it came from all of them saying that this is where is regular forces were stationed out. so it is making something that . ready is really not important at the center of the story and this is a deflection again, going back to this being whitewash and we expect to know if it was it, us acting on the same standards. it would with other countries like in the that was saying when it comes to russia to other countries, we would see a statement asking israel to name that soldier who shot up one of them. this is really what we want to see. a soldier israeli soldier, shot that bullets, we want the soldier to be named. and we want that soldier to be a criminal prosecuted. we also want to know who gave the order to shoot
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a journalist. so as you know, it was a number of bullets that were fired towards joining us. not only one will attend, shouldn't and number, but i found a quick, a quick follow up in israel, has a long history of isolating its crimes from its settler colonial occupation. i mean, let's call things what they are, right. and it's, it's, it's the un, some could argue and have, you know, does that as well selectively, by choosing to focus on specific international law violations. sharon's murder, of course, deserves focus and attention as we're hearing from lean on the family and others. and that's why we're talking about this, but we'd be doing ourselves a disservice to, as we heard from neda ignore. that is just one in a series of extra judicial killings of palestinian civilians who are targeted. so knowing all these facts, it seems like every single time, even when there is no doubt somehow doubt so man said to defend the israeli narrative, what can tangibly be done? to change this, i know you used to work at amnesty,
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which of course recently came out and said israel's in apartheid state. and yet still we hear the clamor. we hear the uproar and then somehow it dies down. and that seems to be part of the israeli propaganda strategy if you will. well, we, we hope that this year and with on this is report that we have a turning point. we have a consensus now of it from human rights organizations, international, israeli, and palestinian for the students who have been using the apartheid framework and saying, calling it to pop up for many, many years. now we have a consensus un special offer today on the human rights situation and occupied palestinian territories also reach the termination that israel is perpetrating the crime against humanity for part time. and let's explain, this is rose apartheid is based on fragmented palestinians, segregated, segregating them and violently controlling them, this possessing them of property, including land. yeah. and that tribute, depriving them of social and comic rights and to maintain the system. if you allow me, israel systematic it is, we have dozens of understandings,
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including many children who were killed since the beginning of this year, and thousands since the 1st and the father of the late 19 eighties. all these killings are done without any form of justice. there's no one soldier that was had it prosecuted for murder. if the in the best of sinners you get a soldier to who judge with manslaughter, but not murder or intention. and i need to, i see, you know, the sentence would be appropriate to the crime. yes, no, and that's at some point i wanted to ask you about, i mean, you know, we're always having to, as a reporters covering this, not only tell the news and you're on the ground there, of course, doing that. i but also, you know, kind of police, the sort of misinformation around this the way the story is told. unfortunately, how has this affected you personally? i know that, you know, of course should in was a friend in it,
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but how is this affected your ability to continue to report on the worsening situation facing palestinians not. she was not just a friend, she was a mentor. she was an idol. she was someone who all looked up to and i don't think that we've had the time to grieve and to absorb the last that we've endured ever since she was killed. you know, we were starting to cover what happened. we wanted to counter these, the narrative that right, we sent the name towards the palestinians and we also had to cover other cases, other palestinians who were killed, you know, we went to the family of santa who is here in a bit is near grandma who was a 17 year old going to school who was killed on the same day she was killed and the family says that, you know, there's going to be impunity. we don't believe that israel and its soldiers are
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going to be held accountable. so for me, it's hard to tell you how her killing effect to me because we didn't have the time to process. we didn't have the time to think about that. i don't know the next time, you know, we go to jeanine or, and the army is there how we're going to react? on the one hand, i can tell you that we want to keep telling the story because this is what she wants us to do. on the other hand, do we want to be killed because we were the messenger that we are telling the world what's happening. so it's hard for me to like tell you exactly how it's affecting my know, but i can tell you that our loss is huge. we are still coming to terms with our lives we're trying to weave, but we don't always have the luxury to me. i appreciate you framing it and that way . and lena, i want to ask you, i mean, you know, in terms of what can be done, we heard solid, eloquently explain what the barriers are, what the challenges are, but i know you want to talk to president biden. i know you want to draw attention
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to this, and that's why you're joining us today. but article 8 of the icpc charter. let's not forget that targeting war correspondents or journalists working in war zones are occupied territories by killing or physically assaulting them. is a war crime, of course, israel has been shielded by war crimes and unfortunately, washington and, and the u. s. has already rejected the international criminal courts involvement in this case. with that in mind. what do you hope can happen? who can hold israel accountable and get justice for shooting? well, we would like to see the, i see see carrying gal can investigation the same enthusiasm that has been shown to ukraine should be also shown to palestine. again, palestine should not be an exception. neither shooting case should be an exception extra. the judicial killing, extra judicial execution is a car is against international law. and as you think says targeting journalist is also a war crime. so we still call them the i,
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c. c. we hope to see meaningful action being taken place and that they expedite the investigation. and on the other hand, as a time of the we are looking into every possible opportunity available to us and we will pursue all low all channels and all areas of accountability, whatever that might take us. and again, do you and also is another body that we will continue to call on to carry out an investigation and for the international community to take to take this seriously. and this is their, their role. also, some of you may remember that many people have been bringing attention to syrians case and also apply to palestinians in recent months. one of them, a palestinian student in georgetown university, raised the palestinian flag during her graduation ceremony in the presence of secretary blinking and even snob to him. if i scroll down and you can see right
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there, snubbed him after receiving it and refused to shake his hand. so a small consequence. but i highlight this because it seems like more of these things are happening anecdotally. and we also heard from neuron she sent us this video reacting to the us statement, take a listen, the american response to should eons murder, of course, is a very small, it's toothless, it's apathetic. and frankly, it's everything. but american foreign policy has been towards palestinians for decades. the u. s. will never do anything to jeopardize its special relationship with israel. and that certainly includes accountability. but what's upsetting in this situation is that it's truly the bare minimum that's being asked for a basic recognition that this woman was murdered by israeli forces. and for an independent investigation to be carried out by someone other than the butcher responsible for her murder, which is israel. and we're not seeing any of that thought i had to worth mentioning
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that you know, sharon was not the only palestinian american who was killed by israel and she was neither the 1st journalist. i mean, here we have to lie on twitter saying israel killed at least 46 journalists. no one was held accountable whatsoever. why would the killing of a block they'd be different if you can and 2 sentences answer for us. might this be different this time given? who should in was yes, absolutely because it is a high profile case because she's all a prominent journalist because she is part of every palestinian home as was said before. and i must say, i mean the way forward is also the palestinians have been pointing to it since 2005 where they're called to boycott, divest from and sanction israel. and as they're called from the law, just civil society coalitional palestinians. yeah. and so, yes, why, you know, big states, powerful states like the united states, the european states are not, i was gonna still hold this real to the front stand if you want. i was,
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yes. can keep the pressure by ensuring that their local council, where they live, is empty of israel. apartheid that municipalities do not give contracts, those rated companies that you could effect. yes. unfortunately, we have to end this conversation here. i want to thank all of our guests and our community for taking part in the discussion. we give the final thought to note on with hamden and our a day plus colleague, deena tech, cruelty who reflect on the impact sharina has made and the legacy she leaves behind take care. the 1st thing i did when i arrived here to the occupied westbank was to visit the agency at offices in the am aligned to pay my respects to my late colleague and friend. she'd be in a box and it was very emotional to go there. and instead of seeing her seeing countless pictures of her posters, flowers, her absence is felt so strongly. and, you know, over the last week i've been reporting all over the west bank and everywhere we go . people stop and ask, oh, what do you work for? what are you filming? as soon as we tell them, i'll just see it out. they say city and you know how much they love city. how
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devastating her last is. she is so love tears. who is the voice of a people? she's very fondly remembered and people are still grieving her. it's hard to believe that she's gone by. it's very clear that her legacy will continue here forever. i think should ins legacy will always be that she was a story teller. and specifically, a story teller of the palestinian experience which she did through her reporting. and what significant here is that she was telling the palestinian story while also living the palestinian story. and to me that's always going to be her legacy ah, bones, janice, and the police violently the pressing protest this, these are some of good tens of thousands of people trying to we called inspired to program making. welcome to generation chains,
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