tv Inside Story Al Jazeera July 15, 2022 3:30am-4:01am AST
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one was that 5 year old girls, a rescue operation that was able to save them, majority of the children that were buried on their de landslide, which happened earlier on thursday while the kids were playing outside of the school building, doing a recess. now this is a very rural school. there were just 22 children attending this school and one teacher thanks to the fact that there was a, there is a military base close to the school soldiers arrived to start this rescue operation, then the police and fire fighters. this village is roughly 3 and a half hours away from columbia, as a 2nd biggest city, made it in. and it's in an area that has been affected by lots of heavy rains for months now that in particular, in the last couple of weeks before me,
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you as president donald trump, wasn't that his 1st wife ivana has died at the age of $73.00. she was the mother of his 3 oldest children, donal junior vanka and eric paramedics in new york. say that she was fond of a suspected heart attack in her apartment. yvonne grew up in the former check. his levant ship was married to donald trump. for 15 years. ok. so he'll rob. reminder of all the top stories for lincolns have been celebrating in the streets of columbia. after president got the biologic submitted a letter of resignation. the speaker of parliament says the letter must be checked . authenticity and announcement is expected in the coming hours. a russian strike is killed at least 23 people in one of ukraine's largest cities, co valencia. many were injured as missiles hit, residential building. president of them is the landscape has renewed calls for
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a special tribunal to investigate russian war crimes. yes, president joe biden and israeli prime minister, iowa pete had signed a non binding declaration to prevent it wrong from acquiring nuclear weapons. barton met with israeli leader on the 2nd day of his visit to the middle east. today. you and i also discussed emerge amendment to ensuring a ran never obtains a nuclear weapon. this is a vital security interest about israel in the united states and i would add for the rest of the world as well. i continue to believe that diplomacy is the best way to achieve this outcome and will continue to work or israel to counter other threats from iran throughout the region. including support for terrorism, ballistic missile program continues and uplift, ration of weapons to terrorists and proxies. mike has brought while his transitional government has ordered the temporary suspension of troop rotations by the un peacekeeping mission,
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citing security reasons. the suspension is expected to last until talks are held to coordinate a new agreement. members of parliament for the british conservative party have completed the 2nd vote on who replace both johnson you case for finance been survey . she soon i remains the leading candidate sweater. braverman eliminated from the rice. those were the headlines, a bug loan using half law here on out there at next. it's inside storage to stay with us. ah. who's in charge? in sera lanka, the president has fled, instead of resigning the acting leader has imposed the curfew. but protest, there's one him to step down as well. is there a way out of the crisis to prevent
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a power vacuum? this is insightful. ah, ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm dead in obligate sir. lincoln's political turmoil is deepening. president got a fire under poxel had promised to resign by wednesday, but instead his flight to singapore via the mold eaves, the acting president, rhino work from a single, has declared a nationwide curfew. the army has been clear to use force if necessary to maintain order, shall ankin say. these developments are unacceptable. protest, ers, have decided to leave the government buildings they've occupied since saturday, but they're adamant their campaign will continue on. so both roger boxer and wicker miss ango are out of office. i need no. oh,
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can't with 11 i mean, well, oh neil val my ego my. those corruptions over here. do you told them not to be? i'm not here let to follow them. then i made on in love with renew, came to power, saying he would solve problems. but look, what has you done? he's not done anything yet. look at what happened yesterday. not even women were spirit during election time. they came and embraced people and made all sorts of promises, but they haven't delivered any of them. so there is no point in renewal or go to, they have to go, what do you do now? name is stuff austin. hus more from colombo. oh,
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i'm wondering why is this building this house now actually making announcements, housing slogan, stacy? these 5 days made, and now we're going to regroup and continue all kinds of house where it has not been our goal to help you find a building they occupied since saturday. when more than the 1000 photographs for the residency of the president here, colonial building, but also the secretary of the president, the prime minister house. and also yesterday the office. they will empty all these promises. they will keep a rallying ground near the president, secretary of the day also sat. what happened on wednesday, a parliament storming parliament that was not for intention and they would no want to regroup and it's still on the president got officially resign. if not,
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they want to parliament to impeach him or abolish just executive on how they also calling still for the step down. and me to do this again still has not 10 piece recognition. as you know, the prime minister for stacy is not the acting president venue stacy's, the acting president. so what that, that tactical federalists have been to create, discard amongst, but this does and amongst people here and to create the so many and create violent incidents. but that is not what the, what is an ad cambia and the people cambia, the july 9th event demanded wanted of course they would be various elements coming, you know, trying to clear discard. but you will always try to keep them out even always fight against violent elements. because this has always mean a people struggle in the past couple of days, thousands and thousands of free long could have visitors, this residence of the president, you feed probably the images of people jumping into his pool and also sitting working on his in his fitness area but the protest movement is a correlation,
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a fairly broad correlation of very different groups. and they're very worried that there will be some splintering, some, some cracks happening. and that's why they're now regrouping. they're packing up this stuff here at the residence of the president, and they will continue to rally somewhere else. but they really hope now that parliament takes the lead in impeaching or abolishing executive power of breast and go to buy a $100.00. ah, let's bring in our guests all in colombo, joining us from their cup, your hashem, who's a member of the parliament, with the main opposition, and a former minister. she had pereira is the executive director of the national peace council luster lanka, and harsh on it. and then a car is a lawyer and member of national people's power. that's an opposition coalition. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time. john perrera, who's in control of the country,
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who's in control. it is the government, it is in control, but it is a tenuous control because the government has lost its legitimacy. it has a majority in parliament. it has the power of the presidency. but the people who people have not decided not to fight that mandate by that, by the peaceful revolution that took place where the president had to flee the country. so he waits very unsettle situation. it is not cable problems are not being solved. problems are massive in the country. their lines lines, extraordinary law, 2 or 3 kilometers. people are staying 2 or $3.00 to $4.00 days, waiting for petrol overnight in there where he goes, the price is doubled, people's sand of living has collapsed. and yet our leaders are not taking action, they are not settling that problems among themselves and cohesive,
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be coming up with the economic plan for the revival of the country. okay, well i guess what we're going to get onto these issues in a moment. the 1st, let me bring in your hash them to tell to tell us who you think is in control of the country and whether there's a power vacuum going on right now. well, i think, you know, the sense that people come close to the lion. and now days are lack of shiny be actually and it's about time the longer got so it's not only the late you can mess up the government. credibility of the government. people have lost, she lost trust, and therefore, right, no body meant the position, including all of the political parties, met together yesterday to the the, the have all the time that meeting with the speak tomorrow, where the leaders are almost all critical parties to meet the speak i and ask you
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to. busy how many argument where we will be about to appoint a prime minister amongst a consensual prime minister and then president. so we are trying to have unity government period to tabulate to can, can, because there are lots of reforms that have located just on the plan on the issue of the succession plan could be, or how should i mean, is this going to be an easy task you say that there's a, there's a meeting tomorrow. what are you expecting to come out of it? yeah, yeah. it will be much easier if they have resignation by an awesome speaker. each yes sir, but we haven't seen the letter so you has submitted nation them days in order many process can choose. the sam is the prime minister,
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can be appointed as a majority in parliament support. so right now we think that the opposition and the other parties working together can have that majority to get a primary presence and majority again and then amongst us and then have any a government that will take us through the reform process and be like the economy to appoint and then maybe go for an election at a particular time. so it is not difficult because the system is very much and you shouldn't have probations on how to do it. the question is, but we haven't seen that yet. that doesn't happen by other than that. yeah, that's good. that's exactly. let me bring in her shawna at this point because as kabir was just saying under the constitution, it's the prime minister who steps up as acting president if the president resigned . but since we haven't seen the president's resignation, how uncertain is the path ahead?
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well, it's like this right now, as we pointed out, he has not resigned. we have not seen the letter and also claims that he's been appointed us acting precedent. but no one has seen the warrant issued by the president to that effect. in fact, that we see lena, emblem does a procedure for him to be acting as a president, and also can be for an indefinite period. the $100.00 states for how long is the plan is to fall. so with none of those probably piece have be followed or at least not golf. the problem remains to be when the prime minister acting us up with and is really, in that case, all the orders he shows in the acting capacity unlawful and could be with him on the trees. ok, so therefore try a huge problem. whether or not it is even pointed as acting prime minister. so this is exactly the reason why you just love the streets of unrest because people just do not know what's going on at all. so i am of the view,
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in that sense of them showing it the one of exclusion which comes with the letter witness by the presidential tickets that is not available. this constitutional crisis and the uncertainty and the instability will continue. okay. we have an approach relation now, right? we have our situation now where the prime minister has been issuing orders, for example, he's ordered the army a to use force if necessary. that's one of the things that he's come out with. and seeing is the prime minister was also considered the president deputy, and parliament, but with him being deeply unpopular as we know and through length. where does this all leave things? well, i mean, this is exactly what i'm trying to say that in because people don't trust this government. they don't trust writing as a courtesy. ok. the slogan is gotten better bucks a go home, run in from a single home, and none of them have right now he is claiming to be acting as the president, claiming because i've not seen that lawful authority. he has on paper,
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but then he should be appointed prime minister. so he can be acting as prime minister placement. but because he's supposed to find a prime minister from his cabinet, which has not been so days a crisis as come in with finding out earlier. if godaddy does not give this liberal recognition and follow the process from tomorrow onwards escalate and even the trade unions and the country would go for just island by general straits. as you know, our life has already been creep on like a full like off income shortage. of food, so it will only escalate simply because the, the president has not given his less ignition and neither been appointed. so it will continue to be stabilized. right, and get into really bad level john, even if there's this meeting taking place tomorrow, as we, as we've been hearing from, from kabir it even if they come up with some sort of consensus agreement,
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the members of parliament, is that something that the public is going to accept because at the end of the day doesn't at risk a lot of the same faces just staying and in these positions for at least this period. hello. i mean what, what the people have been asking for civil society by association. they're really just clergy. is all party intern government because we have to be governed by somebody. so and all party entering government selected by consensus, which would steer the country out of its present pretty common or the next 6 months perhaps deal with the i m s. d to find a solution to some of the problem pressing problem, the most pressing problems of shortages and then go for election. i think people would accept that. what the people don't want. is this raj, approximate government even if they're out of the box?
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not bad, physically to then spirit. they don't want that to continue. that's about they had been revolting again in large numbers. unifying that the unified sense among the people that this government must go. right. but they the issue for a lot of people, the way that i understand it is that they are concerned by what's called political corruption in the country g. honda has been taking place for for many, many years. so to what extent has this political corruption deepened the mistrust in governments as a whole? i mean what has happened is that people are blaming this government and this leadership and the raja puts a family in particular. but why would you say it is something that also comes from the part we do not just this government and this leadership that have been corrupt . but previous governments and previous leaderships also have been corrupt and have to take part of the responsibility. but this government, in particular,
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was particularly blatant about it. they had the sense of entitlement president as soon as he came to poly when he won the election in 2019 aggregated to himself, the public, more public from parliament, and then proceeded to make some terrible decision. immediately get tax cuts for the rich. and then he went into banding for chemical fertilizers and trying to make sure i got organic farming country overnight and basic and, and also the corruption, the incredible corruption so that people at the people would really be the people on the street believes that they've been going and leaders that to be hard to dollars in caught in container contain a lot of the dollars but sent out of the country. and that is why you don't have for foreign exchange in our country. right. so the blame comes suddenly on this government, even the previous governments are responsible for the pretty common carrier is the
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priority. now to get the politics back on track or the economy i think will have to be done because they to really need to be political credibility and trust me on the credibility and crap. so we will have to listen to the sounds coming from the ground, from the stairs, and we have to do some constitutional amendments more come to be more transparency, more action against corruption to we have to be in that content. so the new consensus government, we have to make those moves in the 1st few months so that even the people have confidence and then the need to do for 20 to 30. yes, we haven't done. can obviously forms that is why we came apart from the corruption . we had to take a lot of we have a lot of change as cisco speaking or making changes. let me ask you particularly about one political change and that is the 20th amendment. as you know, which was passed in 2020,
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that really reconsidered traded power in the presidency itself. as a member of the opposition. now, is that something that the opposition is going to look to abolish? of course me have already given a draft bill to parliament calling it the 21st amendment, and that's in desperation of what the country asking for the last couple of months . unfortunately, some of the government members have come up with an alternative, which is the 22nd amendment, which doesn't go that's part of the bank, come to a compromise. go back at least to the 19th amendment features before where the president, stripped to a large extent. we want to go further, people more of the density, we want to move to that. so we are going to go as far as we can for what people asking for that creation. so that would be the 1st step for me to go to any b to b, then will be a stablish in the country. but we need to get that. busy process going and restart
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to the dip. i think we can do that a speaking of the i'm of her shawna. how difficult or negotiations going to be with the i m f going forward because to lanka is now going into these negotiations as a bank for a country. well, things are going to be hard and difficult, but there's no doubt that we will need to seek 3rd party health just no doubt about it. but it all depends, nichols, you are going to be difficult, as you know, as a backup nation of a bargaining powers are limited when you go to i am. if for any other place, they will look good imposed conditions so that the country will be more accountable . lack of accountability on the part of our government has been that because the corruption came as a result of that. so it would be tough road ahead. and we need unity in approach. remember as to the to members said earlier, initial job is for, i mean to rem garmen for a limited period to get the most essential. that is the cooking guess flow. so the
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country can function and for the life of the farmers and to open the school to job in close infinity. now this is going to be the task for the interim garment, the main task, but they will have to start negotiating and opening up channels and discussing and going for forensic audits to see what happens. we list once split open as is necessary. so therefore, the 1st 3 months, or 4 months or 6 months, the limited period we have produces issues. what thereafter or badly as cubby would put it, we have come back. a list of the negotiation is not going to be easy. it's not going to be yet a bankrupt nation. miss almost a day, right? and on the, i am actually not an announcement in that when the i'm africans is bailout, as you know, our santa, the, the bailouts come with austerity, which generally affects the poor and the people. you're right, you're right, that's how they have gotten better. i am of has gone because there has been some on occasion change of governments. but here what is important is the negotiation. when
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the us was dated emissions, we're not supposed to cut down health and education, but all the perks these couple patients and members of parliament are having. so that up places we can. she walks that up as we get cut off without touching the poor masters because after the court on our way to close down an after the economy coming to a halt. i mean, if you try to cut off things from the people of, usually there's going to be done. okay, let me bring in john, john, what are the obviously the immediate priorities is to get food, fuel and medicine for, for the people. and how do you think it's all going to play out with the i m f, negotiations. john, as well as countries like india and china, who have stepped up in a way are provided loans to mr lanka. up at this point in the india in particular, has been very generous lanka. it has given about $3500000000.00 over the last several months to us in credit lines. and it is the ending of that credit line that
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has created this enormous fuel crisis in our country. the i m. s. a negotiations and plan that and action that sheila will have to take off that will be very difficult ones to take. and that is why we need a government that people can trust that people can trust and we can go to the people and explain to them because they have a lot of major reforms needed funding. so job public service is 1000000 strong, big 4. so there's 1400000 for a population of 22000000. defense budget is 15 percent. i mean double that of health and education combined, i think. so that does need for those type of reforms and that can be done, but which will be difficult and we do need very car, i guess at government boys, government. but you will have to think more of the country than of themselves and
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their own futures and be trusted by the people. yeah, that is the key thing to gain. trust. once again, kabir and your opinion, what are the most immediate steps that need to be taken in order to leave the pressure off the suffering of the people? people believe that the shortage of oil and gas petroleum products are the key problem, but that's gonna be a symptom of the, maybe the main issue for them to the lack of dollars money or any of this. so i need to do a ways to do that. because that restructuring process as fast as possible by end of the time lines, you should be able to get the executive board to extend a fun trip to the d, which is about $3000000000.00 before the end of these. yet then go for the finance instrument and then for the interview we need to find funding as bridging
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finance. so she can manage the december if you do that. and if you do, if you go into the restructuring confidence and then she'll start using out of the of them so that, that is the critical also talking about since you raised the poor steady condition of i also will support us with cast transfer to the orders of the world because you can do without that, you'll need to help because then very well a 40 percent on the line. so we will also be have to do some cash transfer mission bias people. busy fast, so this means talking the noise government has to start exactly that. going to finish in 3 months or 6 months. it'll take some time. but we are taking the right mission that's critical talking to the people is very important. i
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think she's got and we have the resources. ok. her santa final words to you. i mean, we're talking about how to gain trust of the people of your lanka, but how does the country begin to win back to be international credibility and trust? i mean, international credibility as the lowest. now again, as carly risk putting it, there are no short cuts to grin privileges. what openness, accountability, and billing as a non align nation without selling ourselves to just one country. even the china are the ones. and we have to build up that confidence and all of the she was thought or really after a fresh election with the new parliament. right now, this parliament is not trusted, not believed. and i'm sure in another election, most of these members will be when we return to the parliament by the public. we have to wait and see. so trust building 1st is locally, the people must trust that government and wants to stop trusting the government,
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people the work economy will function. and of course we have guided clinic without winning the privy to the public. here. international community is not going to come to the any government here as a legitimate for the sake and then let me just wrap in there. we have 30 seconds remaining. one last question to you in fact, and that's on the issue of accountability. how do the people have to lanka get accountability from their leaders? so if i accountability has been focus done on the issue of what happened during the war, human rights accountability, what kind of issues. but now we also have to deal with accountability issues relating to economic crimes, running down the economy, robbery, corruption. so i think people, i know more preparing for that. and in terms of it's nick conflict, this crisis has actually brought all our people together, right on the streets tunnel that was slim and, and they said we will not be deceived again by leaders will try to divide us in
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order to get out. ok, thank you. so much i have to leave it there on that. no, thanks for joining us, kabir hash and johan pereira and hershawn. i know you're kara, thank you for watching. you can see the program again. anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com on for further discussion, you can always go to our facebook page on facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. from the conversation on twitter handle is a inside story for myself and the whole team of bye for now, the news ah, a hype of english people
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