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capital bama co. the molina authorities accused them of being mercenaries, but the ivory and said this is all a misunderstanding. these are you and contractor is part of the national support element there to help the un peacekeeping efforts there. the u. n though has denied that it has any of these elements or any record of these men adding more confusion to the crisis. and to this situation, a landslide has swept over school and northwest columbia has killed at least 3 children. ruskie cruz were able to save most of the students course in its path as well as the teacher. i'm one of the students mothers. italy's president has rejected the resignation of prime minister mario doggy. as one of his coalition partners refused to back a spending bill in parliament, druggie leads a unit he government that's been thrown into crisis by the 5 star movement refusal to support legislation to tackle the cost of living.
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ah, this is out there. these your top stories shall angus prime minister, renelle, victim of thing has been sworn in as acting president following the official resignation of got to buy a raja boxer. the president stepped down after months of protest, some of the most severe economic crisis and decades. earlier the parliament speaker verified a resignation letter from roger boxer who's now in the pool. he says parliament will convene on saturday to start the process of electing a new president. we are dummy on sunday until this process is complete. the prime minister will, in accordance with the constitution take steps to implement the powers of the presidency and its duties and functions. vacation i request the honorable and loving citizens of this country to create a peaceful atmosphere in order to implement a proper parliamentary democratic process. and enable all members of parliament to
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participate in the meetings and function freely and conscientiously. among us president joe biden will meet palestinian president mahmoud abbas in the occupied west bank later on friday as he continues his middle east tool. the 1st 2 days focused on israel's relations with neighbors. iran, nuclear threats. china's economic growth has slowed sharply with 2nd quarter g, d p increasing just no point 4 percent compared to the same course. last year. economists warm the government, full year growth target of 5.5 percent is not achievable. the economy has been on depression g 30, kevin policy and widespread locked out a global food crisis storing inflation on a bleak economic outlook. the focus for g 20 summit underway in indonesia, on a fetus and central bank governance from 20 major economies on bali for 2 days of talks. discussions will center on the knock on effects, the pandemic,
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and the war in ukraine. a russian ass strike has killed at least 23 people. new cranium city fall from the front line in the east. many winded as missiles hit, residential buildings, in vineyards on the divide bass. airline emerald has rejected an order from london heathrow airport to council flights and foot story coming up next day with us. the heart wrenching good bye, loved ones. no knowing when they were united ticket, women and children heading west to relative safety often leaving when behind among them foreigners also trying to give out train rise of a free, but it's on a 1st come 1st serve basis here at the bus station that only a few rides available, and that's only to the surrounding villages. so people like for me in rose, now need to find another way to get out of the city. but for now they,
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like many others, would have to return home, hoping to morrow is a better day. who's in charge in cyril? anchor the president has fled, instead of resigning the acting leader has imposed the curfew. but protested, want him to step down as well. is there a way out of the crisis to prevent a power vacuum? this is insightful. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm dead in obligate. i'm sure. lincoln's political turmoil is deepening. president got to buy a retro poxel had promised to resign by wednesday, but instead his flight to singapore via the mold eaves reacting president ronald wicker miss single, has declared a nationwide curfew. the army has been clear to use force if necessary to maintain
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order. shall ankin say these developments are unacceptable. protesters have decided to leave the government buildings they've occupied since saturday, but they are adamant their campaign will continue on. so both roger poxy and wicker miss nga are out of office. i with oh, this might waking, we got a 3.1 . 1, i mean. well then neil goldman gateway go just of corruption over here did. did you told them a renewal came to power saying he would solve problems?
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but look, what has you done? he's not done anything yet. look at what happened yesterday. not even women were spared during election time. they came and embraced people and made all sorts of promises, but they haven't delivered any of them. so there is no point in renewal or goto. they have to go to name. it's been a stuff austin has more from colombo. oh, i'm not sure why in this building, they're going to leave the house. now the taxi are making announcements, shouting slogans. they say that these 5 days made okay. and now we're going to regroup and continue as the house where it has not been our goal to help you find a building. they occupied it since saturday, when more than a 1000 posts after school on the residency of the press on here, colonial building, but also the secretariat of the president, the prime minister house. and also yesterday the office. they will empty all these
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promises. they will keep a rally and ground here, the president, secretary of the day, also said what happens on wednesday. finally, at the bottom of storming parliament, that was not for for intention and they would no now want to regroup and it's still a. 6 officially resign, it's not they want to fall in feature or abolish executive on howard and they also calling still for the president down to me and then still has not changed resignation. as you know, the prime minister says he's not the acting president. then you see the acting president. so what the week off i have been to create discard amongst predictors and amongst people. yeah. and to create the so many and create violent incidents. but that is not what you want to know. people who came yeah. and the people cambia july 9th event demand and wanted of course that would be various elements coming, you know, trying to create this card. but you will always try to keep them out. we will
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always fight against violent elements because this has always been a people in the past couple of days, thousands and thousands of free long could have visitors, this residence of the president, you feed probably the images of people jumping into his pool and also sitting working on his, in his fitness area. but the protest movement is correlation. a fairly broad correlation of very different groups. and the family worried that there will be some splintering, some, some cracks happening. and that's why they're now regrouping. they're packing up this stuff here at the residence of the president, and they will continue to rally somewhere else. but they really hope now that parliament takes the lead in impeaching or abolishing executive power of president . go to buy a 100 bucks. to me, let's bring in our guests all in colombo, joining us from their cubby, or how she was a member of the parliament with the main opposition and a former minister. she hand pereira is the executive director of the national peace
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council, lester lanka, and her shot out and then a car as a lawyer and member of national people's power. that's an opposition coalition. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time. john perrera, who's in control of the country who is in control. it is that government is in control, but it is a tenuous control because the government has lost its legacy must be it has a majority in parliament. it has the power of the presidency. but the people who people have nullified it knowledge site that mandated by doubt that the peaceful revolution that took place where the president had to flee the country. so he waits very unsettle situation. it is not cable problems that not being solved. problems are massive in the country. their lines lines, extraordinary law,
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2 or 3 kilometers. people are staying 2 or $3.00 to $4.00 days, waiting for petrol overnight in there where he goes, the price is doubled, people's sand of living has collapsed. and yet our leaders are not taking action, they are not settling that problems among themselves and cohesive, be coming up with the economy plan for the revival of the country. okay, i get what we're going to get on to these issues in a moment. the 1st, let me bring in your hash them to tell to tell us who you think is in control of the country and whether there is a power vacuum going on right now. well i think, you know, the sense that people can sort of live and now they are lack of shiny be actually and it's about time the longer got. so it's not only the late you can mess up the government. credibility of the government. people have
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lost. she lost trust and therefore, right, no argument opposition, including all of the political parties, met together yesterday to me and the we have all the time that meeting with the speak tomorrow, where the leaders are almost all critical parties to meet the speak i and ask you to. busy how many argument where we will be about to appoint a prime minister amongst a conventional prime minister and then president. so we are trying to have unity government period to tabulate to come to because there are lots of reforms that, that's looking just on the plan on the issue of the succession plan could be, or how should i mean? is this going to be an easy task? you say that there's a, there's a meeting tomorrow. what are you expecting to come out of it? yeah,
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yeah. it will be much easier. you're going to have that all ready ignition by and speak of each. yes sir. but we haven't received the letter so you has submitted the nation then days in order. many process can choose. the sam is the prime minister, can be appointed as a majority in parliament supports the prime. so right now we think that operation and the other parties, but i can get that can have that majority to get a prime presents and majority in parliament and then amongst us and then have any a government that will take us through the reform process and be like the economy to a point and then maybe go for an election at a particular time. so it is not difficult because the system is very much and you shouldn't have proficient on how to do it. the question is that we haven't seen that yet. that doesn't happen by other than that. yeah,
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that's good. that's exactly. let me bring her shawna at this point because as kabir was just saying under the constitution, it's the prime minister who steps up as acting president if the president resigned . but since we haven't seen the president's resignation, how uncertain is the path ahead? well, it's like this race know as coverage pointed out, he has not received. we have not seen the letter and also claims that he's been appointed us acting precedent. but no one has seen the one issued by the president to that effect. in fact, as to be a c lender emblem does a proceed yet for him to be acting as a president. and also it cannot be for an indefinite period. the $100.00 states for how long he's going to be the climate to so with none of those formalities have be followed or at least not off. the problem remains to be when the prime minister acting us up with this valley, in that case, all the orders he shows in the acting capacity unlawful and would be william on
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patrice. ok. so therefore, try told us a huge problem whether he's even appointed as active prime minister. so this is exactly the reason why that's why i love the streets. i'm unrest because people just do not know what's going on at all. so i am of the view, in the absence of them showing it the warrant of exclusion which comes to the official letter written by the presidential secretary. that is not available. this constitutional crisis and uncertainty and the instability will continue. okay. we have it for tuition now. right. we have our situation now where the prime minister has been issuing orders, for example, he's ordered the army to use force if necessary. that's one of the things that he's come out with. and seeing is the prime minister was also considered the president deputy, and parliament, but with him being deeply unpopular as we know and to relax. where does this all these things? well, i mean,
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this is exactly what i'm trying to say that because people don't trust this government. they don't trust writing is a promising. okay. the slogan is gotten better. bucks a go home, running from a single home, and none of them have right now he is claiming to be acting as the president, claiming, because i've not seen that lawful authority. he has on paper, but then he should be appointed prime minister. so he can be acting as prime minister placement, but because he's supposed to find a prime minister from his cabinet, which has not done so days a crisis as coverage was finding out earlier. if godaddy does not give this liberal recognition and follow the process from tomorrow onwards escalate and even the trade unions and the country would go for just island by general, strikes as life has already been creep on, like a full like income shortage of food. so it was only escalated simply because
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the president has not given his less ignition, and neither been appointed to continue. it'll be stabilized right and get into really bad level john, even if there's this meeting taking place tomorrow, as we, as we've been hearing from, from kabir it, even if they come up with some sort of consensus agreement, the members of parliament. is that something that the public is going to accept because at the end of the day doesn't at risk a lot of the same faces just staying and in these positions for at least this period. you know, i mean what, what the people have been asking for civil society by association. they're really just clergy is all party intern government because we have to be governed by somebody. so and all party enter in government selected by consensus, which would steer the country and out of its present pretty common or the next 6
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months perhaps deal with the i m s. d to find a solution to some of the problem pressing problem the most pressing problems of shortages and then go for election. i think people would accept that. what the people don't want, is this raj, approximate government even if they're not physically to then spirit, they don't want that to continue. that's about they had been revolting again in large numbers. unifying that the unified sense among the people that this government must go right. but the issue for a lot of people, the way that i understand it is that they are concerned by what's called political corruption in the country g. honda has been taking place for for many, many years. so to what extent has this political corruption deepened the mistrust in governments as a whole? i mean what has happened is that people are blaming this government and this
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leadership and the raja puts a family in particular. but right. as you say, it is something that also comes from the past to do not just this government and this leadership that have been corrupt. but previous governments and previous leaderships also have been corrupt and have to take part of the responsibility. but this government, in particular, was particularly blatant about it. they had the sense of entitlement president as soon as he came to poly when he won the election in 2019 aggregated to himself, the public more problems from parliament. and then proceeded to make some terrible decision immediately get tax cuts for the rich. and then he went into banding for chemical fertilizers and trying to make sure you got organic farming country overnight. and basic and, and also the corruption, the incredible corruption. so that people at the people really be the people on the street believes that they've been going and leaders that to be hard to dollars in,
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caught in container, contain a lot of the dollars but sent out of the country. and that is why you don't have for foreign exchange in our country, right? so the blame comes suddenly on this government, even the previous governments are responsible for the pretty common carrier is the priority. now to get the politics back on track or the economy i think will have to be done because they to really need to win political credibility and trust me on the credibility and crap. so we will have to listen to the sounds coming from the ground from the protesters, and we have to do some constitutional amendments. more come to be more transparency, more action against corruption to we have to be in that content. so the new consensus government, we have to make those moves in the 1st few months so that even the people have
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confidence and then the need to do for 20 to 30. yes, we haven't done. can obviously forms that is why we came apart from the corruption . we have to take a lot of we have to make a lot of changes because it's making changes. let me ask you, particularly about one political change and that is the 20th amendment. as you know, which was passed in 2020, that really reconsidered traded power in the presidency itself. as a member of the opposition. now, is that something that the opposition is going to look to abolish? of course, we have already given a dropped bill to parliament, calling it the 21st amendment, and that in desperation of what the country asking for in the last couple of months . unfortunately, some of government members have come up with an alternative, which is the 22nd amendment, which doesn't go that's part of the frank come to a compromise. go back, at least to the 19th amendment, which is now before where the president's fathers stripped to all objects and we
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wanted to go further. people want them to be want to move to that. so we're going to go as far as we can for, for what the people are asking for that creation. so that would be the 1st step. political credibility then will be a stablish in the country, but we need to get that. busy process going and restructure the debt. i think they can do that. a speaking of the i m f har shawna. how difficult or negotiations going to be with the i m f going forward because you're a lanka is now going into these negotiations as a bank ra country. well, things are going to be hard and difficult, but there's no doubt that we really need to seek 3rd party, have just no doubt about it. but it all depends, nichols, you are going to be difficult, as you know, as a backup nation of a bargaining powers are limited when you go to i am. if for any other place, they will look good imposed conditions so that the country will be more accountable . lack of accountability on the part of our domains has been that because the
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corruption came as a result of that. so it would be tough road ahead. and we need unity in approach. remember as to the to members said earlier, initial job is for, i mean to rem garmen for a limited period to get the most essential. that is the cooking guess flow. so the country can function and for the life of the farmers and to open the school to job in close infinity. now this is going to be the task for the interim garment, the main task, but they will have to start negotiating and opening up channels and discussing and going for forensic audits to see what happens when lessons split open as is necessary. so therefore, the 1st 3 months or 4 months or 6 months, the limited period, we have produces issues, but thereafter or badly as cubby would put it, we have to batter. list of the negotiation is not going to be easy. it's not going to be easy. we are bankrupt, nation miss almost a day. right?
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and i'm the, i am actually not in an ocean, isn't that when the i'm africans is bailout, as you know, our santa, the, the bailouts come with austerity, which generally affects the poor and the people. you're right, you're right. that's how they have gotten better. i had my 1st born because there has been some on occasion change of the elements. but here what is important is the negotiation. when the us was dated emissions, we are not supposed to cut down health and education, but all the perks these couple patients and members of parliament are having. so that up places we can, she walks that up as we get cut off without touching the poor mouse's. because after the court on our way to close down an after the economy coming, going to hold. i mean, if you try to cut off things from the people of, usually there's going to be done. okay, let me bring in your hon. john, what are the obviously the immediate priorities is to get food, fuel and medicine for, for the people. and how do you think it's all going to play out with the i m f, negotiations. john, as well as countries like india and china,
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who have stepped up in a way are provided loans to mr lanka. up at this point in india, in particular has been very generous lanka. it has given about $3500000000.00 over the last several months to us in credit lines. and it is the ending of that credit line that has created this enormous fuel crisis in our country. the i m. s. a negotiations and plan that and action that sheila will have to take off that will be very difficult wants to take. and that is why we need a government that people can trust that people can trust and we can go to the people and explain to them because they have a lot of major reforms needed funding. so job public service is 1000000 strong, big 4. so there's 1400000 for a population of 22000000. defense budget is 15 percent. i mean double that of
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health and education combined, i think. so that does need for those type of reforms and that can be done, but which will be difficult and we do need very car, i guess at government boys, government. but you will have to think more of the country than of themselves and their own futures and be trusted by the people. yeah, that is the key thing to gain. trust. once again, kabir and your opinion, what are the most immediate steps that need to be taken in order to leave the pressure off the suffering of the people? people believe that the shortage of oil and gas petroleum products are the key problem, but that's gonna be a symptom of the main issue. the main issues for them, lack of dollars, you don't have the money or any of this. so i need to do a ways to do the restructuring process as fast as possible. by end of the
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timeline, we should be able to get the executive board to extend fun to city b, which is about $3000000000.00 before the end of these. yet then go for the finance instrument and then for the interview we need to find funding as bridging finance. so she can manage the december if you do that. and if you do, if you go into the restructuring access confidence and then she'll start using out of the of them. so that, that is the critical also talking about since you raised the steady condition of i am if also will support us with cast transfer to the course of the because you can do without that you need to help them because then very well 40 percent. i think the quality line so we will also be have to do some cash trans submission by speed
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. busy fast, so this means talking the noise out government as to start exactly that. it's not going to finish in 3 months or 6 months. it'll take some time. but we are taking the right mission that's critical talking to the people is very important. i think longer and we have the. busy resources ok, harsh on a final words to you. i mean, we're talking about how to gain trust of the people of your lanka, but how does the country begin to win back the international credibility and trust i mean, international credibility as the lowest. now, again, as carly risk putting it, there are no short cuts to grin. pretty ability, what openness, accountability, and billing as an align nation without selling ourselves to just one country, even the china are the ones. and we have to build up that confidence and all of this will start only after a fresh election with the new parliament. right now,
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this parliament is not trusted, not believed. and i'm sure in another election, most of these members will be when we return to the parliament by the public. we have to wait and see. so trust building 1st is locally, the people must trust that government. and once they start trusting the government, people, the work economy will function. and of course we have guided clinic without winning the privy to the public. here. international community is not going to consider any government here as religion for the sake and then let me just, we have 30 seconds remaining. your last question to you in fact, and that's on the issue of accountability. how do the people have to lanka get accountability from their leaders? so far, accountability has been focus done on the issue of what happened during the war. human rights accountability was kind of issues, but now we also have to deal with accountability issues relating to economic crimes running down the economy, robbery,
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corruption. so i think people are no more prepared for that. and in terms of it's nick conflict, this crisis has actually brought all our people together right on the street panel, then we'll slim and, and they say, we will not be deceived again by leaders who try to divide us in order to get out. ok, thank you. so much i have to leave it there on that. no, thanks for joining us, kabir hush, and your hon. perrera on her shawna, naya kara, thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com on for further discussion. you can always go to our facebook page on facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. spend the conversation on twitter handle is a inside story from myself. and the whole team of bye for now, the news from the wells most populated region in depth stories from across asia and the
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