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china's leaders said at 5.5 percent, i think that's going to be very hard to achieve because there are so many headwinds . at the moment we have inflation taking off around the world. maybe the world economy might think into recession. so that means chinese export markets could well collapse with millions of people confined to their homes. consumer confidence is flat. that's why inflations hovering at around 2 and a half percent low compared to the us and europe. the uncertain economic part is unfolding in a politically sensitive year. after the 20th party congress in november, president, she expects to secure an historic 3rd term. adrian brown al jazeera hong kong. molly's transitional government has ordered the temporary suspension of trip rotations by the un peacekeeping missions, citing security reasons. the suspension is expected to last until talks are held to coordinate a new agreement. the move comes off, tamale's government arrested,
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$49.00. i bore in soldiers on sunday ah, is eligible for these top stories. president joe biden says the u. s. will continue to call for full accountability in the killing of allergies. that 0 is sharina oxley and was speaking in a press conference with his palestinian counterpart, mahmoud abbas in bethlehem. she was performing very vital work in dependent media and vital work of democracy. her death is enormous loss to the essential work of sharing with the world, the story of the palestinian people. i hope that her legacy, her legacy spire more young people to carry on her work and reporting the truth and telling stories that are too often overlooked. the united states will continue to insist on
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a full and transparent accounting of her death and will continue to stand up for media freedom everywhere in the world. the president had to saudi arabia next this friday, by them previously pledged to make the kingdom a prior to the killing of the journalist jamal could show g high oil prices. and iran the on the agenda. sure. like his prime minister run. the victim of thing has been sworn in as acting president of the go to buy a roger pox. resigned in the wake of mass protest. and he president promised to restore law and order and establish a unity government. tens of thousands of iraqis have gathered in baghdad for a mass, pray cooled by influential sheer claret, mcdonald, solder fees, a further instability. last month, the 70 members of parliament affiliated to our father resigned on its orders, deepening months of political deadlock, and china has recorded as low as economy growth since 2020 the slump is being
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blamed on it. 0 tolerance, coven 19 policy, which is interrupted industry and flattened consumers ending 2nd quarter g. d. p grew just 0.4 percent. that was compared to the same period last year. and his lease president has rejected the resignation of prime minister mario druggie. that's after one of his coalition partners refused to back a spending bill in parliament. okay, those are headlines inside story coming up next. ah. who's in charge? in sera lanka, the president has fled, instead of resigning the acting leader has imposed the curfew. but protest her as one him to step down as well. is there a way out of the crisis to prevent
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a power vacuum? this is insightful. ah ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm dead in obligate sir. lincoln's political turmoil is deepening. president got by roger poxel had promised to resign by wednesday, but instead his flight to singapore via the mold eaves, the acting president, renelle rick from a single, has declared a nationwide curfew. the army has been clear to use force if necessary to maintain order. shall ankin say. these developments are unacceptable. protests have decided to leave the government buildings they've occupied since saturday, but they're adamant their campaign will continue on. so both roger boxer and wicker miss ango, are out of office. i need no. oh,
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can't with 11 any. well, o, neill thou, my equal goldman? those corruptions over yet did do. without them. no. hampshire revealed nakeila to follow them. then i made an elaborate renewal, came to power, saying he would solve problems. but look, what has he done? he's not done anything yet. look at what happened yesterday. not even women were spared during election time. they came and embraced people and made all sorts of promises, but they haven't delivered any of them. so there is no point in renewal or goto, they have to go. my name is vanessa austin, hus more from colombo. oh,
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i'm wondering why is this building this house now? the proof actually making announcements, housing slogan, stacy? these 5 things make a point and now we're going to regroup and continue on house where it has not been our goal to help the fargo buildings. they occupied it since saturday, when more than the post office for the residency of the present here, colonial building. but also the secretary of the president, the prime minister house, and also yesterday the office they will empty. all these promises to will keep a rallying ground near the president, secretary of the day also sat. what happened on wednesday, a parliament dorming parliament that was not for intention and they don't want to regroup and they're still on for a president, go to buy in officially resign. if not,
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they want to parliament to impeach it or abolish just executive hours. and they also calling still for the step down and me to do this again still has not 10 piece recognition as you know, the prime minister, but stays, he's not the acting president, then he stays is the acting president. so what that, that tactical federalists have been to create, discard amongst the stairs, and amongst people here and to create the ceremony and create violent incidents. but that is not what the ordinary people who came here and the people who came yet with the july 9th that event demand event wanted. of course, there would be various elements coming out, trying to clear discard, but we will always try to keep them out even always fight against violate elements because this has always been a peaceful struggle in the past couple of days, thousands and thousands of free land could have visitors, this residence of the president, you've seen probably the images of people jumping into his pool and also sitting a working on his in this area. the protest movement is a correlation,
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a fairly broad correlation of very different groups. and they're very worried that there will be some splintering, some, some cracks happening, and that's why they're now regrouping. they're packing up this stuff here at the residence of the president, and they will continue to rally somewhere else. but they really hope now that parliament takes the lead in impeaching or abolishing executive power of breast and go to buy a $100.00. ah, let's bring in our guests all in colombo. joining us from there as cub your hasha, who's a member of the parliament, with the main opposition and a former minister. she had pereira, as the executive director of the national peace council, luster lanka, and harsh on it. and then a car is a lawyer and member of national people's power. that's an opposition coalition. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time. john perrera, who's in control of the country,
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who's in control. it is the government. it is in control, but it is a tenuous control because the government has lost its lead. it must be, it has a majority in parliament. it has the power of the presidency. but the people who people have not decided not to fight that mandate by that, by the peaceful revolution that took place where the president had to flee the country. so he waits very unsettle situation. it is not cable problems are not being solved. problems are massive in the country. their lines lines, extraordinary law, 2 or 3 kilometers. people are staying 2 or $3.00 to $4.00 days, waiting for petrol overnight in there where he goes, the price is doubled, people's sand of living has collapsed. and yet our leaders are not taking action, they are not settling that problems among themselves and cohesive me coming up with
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the economic plan for the revival of the country. okay, well i guess what we're going to get onto these issues in a moment. the 1st, let me bring in your hash them to tell to tell us who you think is in control of the country and whether there's a power vacuum going on right now. well, i think, you know, sense the people come close to the lion. and now they are lack of shiny be actually and it's about time the banker got it so it's not only the late you can mess up the government. credibility of the government. people have lost, she lost trust, and therefore, right, no meant the position, including all of the political parties met together yesterday to the and the we have all the time that meeting with the speak tomorrow, where the leaders are almost all critical parties. we need to speak and ask you to
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. busy how many argument where we will be about to appoint a prime minister amongst a conventional prime minister and then president. so we are trying to have unity government period to stabilize to can, can, because there are lots of reforms that, that's located just on the plan on the issue of the succession plan could be, or how should i mean, is this going to be an easy task you say that there's a, there's a meeting tomorrow. what are you expecting to come out of it? yeah, yeah. it will be much easier if roger has resignation, bye, and all of them speak of each sin, but we haven't seen the letter. so the president has submitted resignation then days in order to process and choose the same is the prime minister can
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be appointed as a majority in parliament support. so right now we see that opposition and the other parties working together can have that majority to get a primary president and majority again and then amongst us and then have any a government that will take us through the reform process and study like the economy to a point and then maybe go for an election at a particular time. so it is not difficult because the system is very much and you shouldn't have proficient on how to do it. the question is, but we haven't seen that yet. that doesn't happen by tomorrow. yeah, that's good, that's exactly. let me bring her shawna at this point because as kabir was just saying under the constitution, it's the prime minister who steps up as acting president if the president resigned . but since we haven't seen the president's resignation, how uncertain is the path ahead?
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well, it's like this right now, as we pointed out, he has not received. we have not seen the letter and also claims that appointed us acting precedent. but no one has seen the one issued by the president to that effect. in fact, as we see, lena, emblem does a procedure for him to be acting as a president, and also can be for different period the 100 states for how long he's going to be the players to. so with none of those probabilities have be followed, or at least not golf. the problem remains to be when the prime minister acting us up with this valley, in that case, all the orders he shows in the acting capacity unlawful. and would be william on patrice. ok, so therefore try told us a huge problem whether he's even appointed as active prime minister. so this is exactly the reason why that's why the streets and unrest because people just do not know what's going on at all. so i am of the view,
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in the absence of them showing it the warrant of exclusion which comes to the official letter written by the presidential secretary. that is not available. this constitutional crisis and the uncertainty and the instability will continue. okay. we have it for tuition now. right. we have our situation now where the prime minister has been issuing orders, for example, he's ordered the army a to use force if necessary. that's one of the things that he's come out with. and seeing is the prime minister was also considered the president deputy, and parliament, but with him being deeply unpopular as we know when to relax. where does this all these things? well, i mean, this is exactly what i'm trying to say that in because people don't trust this government. they don't trust writing as a courtesy. ok. the slogan is gotten better bucks a go home, running the trauma signal, go home, and none of them have right now he is claiming to be acting as the president, claiming, because i've not seen that lawful authority. he has on paper,
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but then he should be appointed prime minister. so he can be acting as prime minister placement. but because he's supposed to find a prime minister from his cabinet, which has not done so days a crisis as come in with finding out earlier. if godaddy does not give this liberal recognition and follow the process from tomorrow onwards escalate and even the trade unions and the country would go for the island by general strikes. as you know, our life has already been creep on like a full like off income shortage. of food, so it will only escalate simply because the president has not given his looks ignition and neither he's been appointed so it just continue to do stabilize and get into really bad level. john, even if there's this meeting taking place tomorrow, as we, as we've been hearing from, from kabir it even if they come up with some sort of consensus agreement,
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the members of parliament, is that something that the public is going to accept? because at the end of the day doesn't at risk a lot of the same faces just staying and in these positions for at least this period. hello. i mean what, what the people have been asking for the civil society by association. they're really just clergy is all parties entering government because we have to be governed by somebody. so at all part, the entering government selected by consensus, which would tear the country out of its present pretty common over the next 6 months. perhaps the with the i m s. d to find a solution to some of the problems pressing problem, the more pressing problems of shortages and then go for election. i think people good except that what the people don't want is this raj, approximate government? even if the rad bucks not bad physically is that to that spirit. they don't want
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that to continue. that's what they had been revolting again in large numbers. unifying that the unified sense among the people that this government must go. right. but the issue for a lot of people, the way that i understand it is that they are concerned by what's called political corruption in the country g. honda has been taking place for for many, many years. so to what extent has this political corruption deepened the mistrust in governments as a whole? i mean, what has happened is that people are blaming this government and this leadership and the roger puts a family in particular. but why would you say it is something that also comes from the past? they do not just this government and this leadership that have been corrupt, but previous governments and previous leaderships also have been corrupt and have to take part of the responsibility. but this government, in particular,
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was particularly blatant about it. they had the sense of entitlement president as soon as he came to poly when he won the election in 2019 aggregated to himself, the public, more public from parliament, and then proceeded to make some terrible decision. immediately get tax cuts for the rich. and then he went into banding for chemical fertilizers and trying to make sure you got organic farming country overnight and basic and, and also the corruption, the incredible corruption. so that people, people really believe the people on the street believe that the government leaders actually hard to dollars in cod in container contain a lot of the dollars but sent out of the country. and that is why we don't have for foreign exchange in our country, right? so the blame comes suddenly on this government, even the previous governments are responsible for the pretty common carrier is the
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priority. now to get the politics back on track or the economy i think will have to be done because they to really need to be political credibility and trust me on the credibility and trust. so we will have to listen to the sounds coming from the ground, from the stairs, and we have to do some constitutional amendment more. come to be more transparency, more action against corruption to we have to be in that content. so the new consensus government will have to make those moves in the 1st few months so that even the people have confidence and then the need to do for 20 to 30. yes, we haven't done. can obviously forms that is why we came apart from the corruption . we have to take a lot of we make a lot of change as cisco speaker making changes. let me ask you particularly about one political change, and that is the 20th amendment, as you know, was passed in 2020,
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that really reconsidered traded power in the presidency itself as a member of the opposition. now is that something that the opposition is going to look to abolish? of course me have already given a draft bill to parliament calling it the 21st amendment, and that in desperation of what the country asking for the last couple months. unfortunately, some of the government members have come up with an alternative, which is the 22nd amendment, which doesn't go that's part of the bank, come to a compromise. go back, at least to the 19th amendment features before where the president's father, the stripped to a large extent, we wanted to go further. people more of the density. we want to move to that. so we are going to go as far as we can for, for what people asking for that creation. so that would be the 1st step for me to go to any b to b, then will be a stablish in the country. but you need to get that. busy process going and restart
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to the dip. i think we can do that a speaking of the i'm of her shawna. how difficult or negotiations going to be with the i m f going forward because to lanka is now going into these negotiations as a bank for a country. well, things are going to be hard and difficult, but there's no doubt that we really need to seek 3rd party here. just no doubt about it. but it all depends, nichols, you are going to be difficult, as you know, as a backup nation of a bargaining powers are limited when you go to i am. if for any other place, they will look good imposed conditions so that the country will be more accountable, lack of accountability on the part of all the governments has been that because the corruption came as a result of that. so it would be tough road ahead, and we need unity in approach. remember as to the to members said earlier in the shall job is for, i mean to rem garmen for a limited period to get the most essential. that is the cooking guess full. so the
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contra can function and for the life of the farmers and to open the school to job in close infinity. now this is going to be the task for the interim garment, the main task, but they will have to start negotiating and opening up channels and discussing and going for forensic audits to see what happens when lessons split open as is necessary. so therefore, the 1st 3 months or 4 months or 6 months, the limited period, we have good resist issues. what thereafter or badly as cubby would put it, we have come back, a list of the negotiation is not going to be easy. it's not going to be easy. we are bankrupt. nation miss was a debt, right? and on the, i am actually not an announcement in that when the i'm africans is bailout, as you know, our santa, the, the bailouts come with austerity, which generally affects the poor and the people. you're right, you're right. that's how they have gotten better. i had met has gone because there has been some on occasion change of the elements. but here what is important is the
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negotiation. when the us was stated to mrs. we are not supposed to cut down health and education, but all the perks these couple patients had members of parliament are having. so that up places we can. she walks that up as we get cut off without touching the poor masters because after the court on our way to close down an after the economy coming, going to hall. i mean, if you try to cut off things from the people of, usually there's going to be done. okay, let me bring in john, john, what are the obviously the immediate priorities is to get food, fuel and medicine for, for the people. and how do you think it's all going to play out with the i m f, negotiations. john, as well as countries like india and china, who have stepped up in a way are provided loans to mr lanka. up at this point in the india in particular, has been very generous lanka. it has given about $3500000000.00 over the last several months to us in credit lines. and it is the ending of that credit line that
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has created this enormous crisis in our country. the i'm a negotiations and plan that and action that sheila will have to take off that will be very difficult ones to take. and that is why we need a government that people can trust that people can trust. and we can go to the people and explain to them because they have a lot of major reforms needed funding. so job public service is 1000000 strong, big 4. so there's 1400000 for a population of 22000000. defense budget is 15 percent. i mean double that of health and education combined. i think. so that does need for those type of reforms and that can be done but which will be difficult and we do need very car, i guess at government boys, government. but you will have to think more of the country than other than
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themselves and their own futures and be trusted by the people. yeah, that is the key thing to gain. trust. once again, kabir and your opinion, what are the most immediate steps that need to be taken in order to leave the pressure off the suffering of the people? people believe that the shortage of oil and gas petroleum products out of the key problem. but that's gonna be a symptom of the, maybe the main issue for them to the lack of dollars. we don't have the money for any of this. so i need to do a ways to do that because that restructuring process as fast as possible by end of the time line, you should be able to get the executive board to the extent fun facility, which is about $3000000000.00 before the end of these yet then go for the finance instrument and then for the interview we need to find funding as bridging
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finance. so she can manage the december if you do that. and if you do, if you go into the restructuring confidence and then she'll start using out of the of them so that, that is a critical but also talking about since you raised the poor or steady condition, i am so will support us with cash transfer to the course of the because you can do without that, you'll need to help them because then very well, 40 percent, i think the already laid out. so we will also be have to do some cash transmission bias. busy fuss, so at least means talking the truth noisy, the government has to start. exactly. that's not going to finish in 3 months or 6 months. it takes some time. but we are taking the right mission that's critical
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talking to the people is very important. i think she lank and we have the. busy resources ok, harsh on final words to you, i mean, we're talking about how to gain trust of the people of your lanka, but how does the country begin to win back to be international credibility interest i mean, international credibility as the lowest. now, again, as kindly we're splitting it, there are no short cuts to bring pretty abilities. what openness, accountability, and building as an align nation without selling ourselves to just one country. even the china are the ones. and we have to build up the quantities and all this will start only after a fresh election with a new parliament. right now, this parliament is not trusted, not believed. and i'm sure in another election, most of these members will be, will be returned to the parliament by the public. you have to wait and see. so trust building 1st is locally, the people must trust that government and wants to stop trusting the government.
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people in the work economy will function. and of course we have to guide is correct without really going to be the public here. international committee is not going to consider any government here as eligible for the sake and then let me just jump in there. we have 30 seconds remaining. one last question to you in fact, and that's on the issue of accountability. how do the people of your lanka get accountability from their leaders? so if my accountability has been focus done on the issue of what happened during the war, human rights accountability, what kind of issues. but now we also have to deal with accountability issues relating to economic kinds running down the economy, robbery, corruption. so i think people are no more prepared for that. and in terms of conflict, this crisis has actually brought all our people together right on the streets. hamilton was slim and, and they said, we will not be deceived again by leaders will try to divide us in order to get out
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. ok, thank you so much. i have to leave it there on that. no, thanks for joining us, kabir house, and your hon. perrera on her shawna know now your kara, thank you for watching. you can see the program again. anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, you can always go to our facebook page on facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. spend the conversation on twitter handle is a inside story from myself and the whole team of bye for now the a diverse range of stories from across the gland. from the perspective of on networks generally on al jazeera ah
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