is alongside the usa, of course, one, the companies that have significant military presence in, in syria, even the of russia now doesn't have significant minute presence there. it's still a, has a, a, a, an important, a political, a power and strong ties with damascus. so it is still in this equation, but now syria is more and more become in turkey and iran's problem. and it is bring in loss of challenge between these 2 countries and creating a very much delicate balance. so we'll see tonight, that city for the minister ross is going to be into iran, and he's going to be briefed about the, the dis, 3 lateral summit, and what have been told, what are the decisions us a one to morrow that will be a presser, between the runny for the minister and the city for a minute. if i so make that into iran, we will see whether iran is going to put any pressure on the, on damascus to somehow to somehow meet did secured the concerns of turkey or not. but as of now, turkey is not backing down from its plan to conduct

a military cushion in syria re so center. thank you very much. and it has bring in nat now and michelle at now. and one of the things that to russia, this is building as in russia was, it was a kind of a way of fell creating a new anti western coalition. is this what this is you think in terms of what to put in is trying to achieve clearly trying to solidify russia's position in the region, just like president biden said, we are back and we are not leaving. and it's just a question of re prioritizing and we are here to stay. i think it's the same thing for president pushin, although he probably has a bit of a weaker hand. it is kind of, paradoxically, that he and the iranian president keep, continue to speak about this should be no foreign interference in syria. while the to the ron and moscow are the 2 most outside there's been interfering in

syria on the side of the syrian dictator. i think we've heard them today again, more or less, both single victory that the legitimate government in syria is the dictator who is responsible for the killing of countless syrians. while the ticket was, the turkish president did not do much or did not say much in favor of the opposition on his fork of the need for diplomatic solution. and that he took the combat better. so on and all you could say that for the time being in this very meeting, russia and an iran continue to have the upper hand. there is much of a light in between them. and i think they will continue to march forward. iran feel stronger with russia, russia to struggle with iran, and i think they feel along with china that they could in fact make up a new axis and then at least well in the chart. i thank you very much. indeed. among the show that analyzing that meeting has been under way into iran,

between the russian, iranian and turkish leaders. they've been discussing the ukrainian gray and ok, the future of syria. and amongst other things iran, nuclear do. the stream is up next to we'll have more news for you. straight out to that. thanks for watching life now. ah. ah. hi, i'm for me. okay, to day on the stream, iran's nuclear deal, honey, be salvage. he is aaron's president abraham roy isi, speaking about america, into ron on july, the 13th for shaw, to be sure on one network,

iran will not back down from its rightful and logical stance in talks to revive a 2015 nuclear packing material. i don't think it'll take about joan, quoted, should you experienced that? that is not possible to speak with a ran by tough language. how many times do you want to experience that they ran? does not succumb to fall? john is either what is your name either? i now he is u. s. president joe biden, speaking about iran from jerusalem. one day later on, july, the 14th, which is lord, are in convincing the saudis and others that were mean always say, is, we mean when we say they have an opportunity to accept this agreement and lay down and say don't, whom is absolutely clear, we will not we say it again, we will not allow ran to acquire nuclear weapons,

who is going to compromise wayne and join i discussion i you chief comment section is now live a waiting for your comments and questions. ah, let's meet your panel hello nichol. i hillary said, welcome back to the string to all 3 of you, nice to see you again, need go. i'll remind audience who you all of what you do. there are more of the, i'm in iranian american journalists on political analyst based here in washington, d. c. i also host they are on podcast. get to have you have a great to have you back on the screen. please introduce yourself the audience around the world. i'm hillary man leveritt. at this point, i'm ceo of a political consultancy strategic strategic energy and global analysis. i spent many years in the u. s. government at the national security council in the state department. and i co wrote a book going to,

to hon. why the united states must accept the islamic republic of iran. take it to how do you hear me and welcome back. say she's a stream, great to have the analysis on the screen, please my the audience who you are and what you do. hello. my name's and the uranium foreign policy analyst. also if you should university, and i'm also an editor in chief of the uranium news agency. although i'm here to present my own views in my personal cassidy and the very well and happy to be with you in that show. get great to have you. let me just remind our audience how we got the wrong nuclear deal in 2015 where we are now for. let's rewind a little recap here. 2015. that was when the iran nuclear deal with fight. 3 years later, president trump poured out of the deal, brought back functions against iran. and right now, bringing up to 2022,

iran has enough uranium to make its own nuclear bomb. and what happens to this, a raw nucleotide that is shows and is our discussion today. i'm the guy you start us off the way. is the deal. is there a deal to talk about? well, i mean, i see the deal i still alive bought on life support sort of in a coma. and this has happened talking about how we got here to this call. my situation is sort of happened when president trump obviously uni laterally pulled the us out of the deal. this is while united nation watchdog had been approving report out the report that iran was abiding by the deal. so in essence, president tom pulled out of it, not because of the reason of iran, not abiding by the did, but because he just didn't simply didn't like that. it was his predecessor, president obama, and then after 542 when joe biden came into power candidate by then had

promised that he had criticized president. trump will pulling out of the deal, rightfully. and he had promised to bring the us back into the j. c. p. o, a great promise, but i think it's one of those thomas's that is long overdue is now what a year and a half into that ministration. and it's essentially a promise that's not fulfilled and the more we move forward, i think it will be more difficult for him to do something like that because of the political backlash he's going to receive here in washington dc. so i think it's one of those things that time is picking in the by the administration and they want. 0 to try sort of new pathway for you know, the guy brings up a really important point. the president biden said during the campaign that he would rejoin the j. c. p. o, a, the iran, nickelodeon. as he made other premises, for example, for the united states to sign back up to the paris climate treaty for the united states to revoke that what was called the muslim travel ban,

all sorts of other immigration issues with which president biden vehemently disagree with. the trump administration and all of those other issues, paris climate, the muslim travel of an immigration, all of those other promises president biden i came, president might have by to make good on them basically on day one except the rodney killer deal there. he said it had to be a negotiation, he wouldn't just revoke president trump's policies. and it's this negotiation that we've been involved in now ever since. and i'm afraid, could take us to what i'm also afraid will be the next republican administration that will similarly rip up the deal as these key republican candidates promise that i really want to get some grass roots input from me. because you are in to ron iran right now. i keep hearing analogies if they see ron nuclear deal as being in a cola a, this is short term policy told us a few hours ago. but from to ron,

what will be the analogy that you would use? he's traitor, and i'm please respond immediately afterwards. with your take the iran you video is not dead, but it is definitely in a cost. but even if it is revive, which would be a very good thing, we have to recognize that it's not the same deal as it was in 2015. in 2015, it marked a shift and the trajectory of he was the wrong relations. a created an opening for greater regional diplomacy and production of tensions today. if the deal is revive neither side believes it will last longer than 2 years. neither side house confidence in the intentions of the other. and as a result, they will use the next 2 years to prepare themselves for what they see is almost the inevitable confrontation that will happen in 2025 when there's a new president in the white house. oh, glen, 1st um at uh, some points to what hillary said, i believe uh,

the problem with the biden administration is that when it comes to yvonne, he in system following president obama's containment strategy. and that means continue. ron's overall power when you want to do so, you do multiple agreements are j, c, p, away on iraq. nuclear power would be the 1st that it would not be the last. they want to do the same with iran, masonic knology, original power, so they need to keep the sanctions structure intact or almost intact in place. so that's why, or is them biden, doesn't want to give in. i'll to the iranian demands for removing sanctions on hundreds of uranian companies, individuals, firms, and entities, and also other thoughts in the past 9 months as i'm free the to the thoughts in i know it pretty well when it were, there was

a stalemate in the thought iranians brought up some kind of in an initiative. the americans have never done that. the last kind of, initially, the iran brought up was almost 67 weeks ago when iranian said ok, we would delay the i r g c. a problem that we have been requesting to remove our juicy from the s t o list, but we would delay that request less neely to other major problems with americans shunt. and you know, they stepped back and they said a bite and said he wouldn't, did the window for, you know, or should it be for giving any more concessions has been shut down. and there won't be any kind of ball concessions for iran. and don is done, and that's the problem, as long as the sea and the look at this, all kind of fall deal as part of the containment strategy. the situation with not, you know, change, and iran in the u. s. and this european allies,

they've had 6 agreements in the last 20 years, according to american officials, as well as all european officials, an expert. iran has always been, you know, comply, and what is on the takings on their, all these deals over iraq and afghanistan. and you know, he wants to nuclear program and the g. c, u being the last one, but the americans have always had one undertaking that has been removing the sanctions of their that they, they've never done that. that's the problem. they look for a conflict site if i could, if i could amplify your very important point about sanctions, sanctions, once imposed by the united states are almost impossible to remove, not legally but politically. and i to take you back to 990. that's how old i am, because i clearly remember this. when nelson mandela was finally released in south africa from prison. and there was an election the 1st democratically let, you know, democratic election in south africa. he was elected president. and they,

he wanted to come to the united states, he had to apply for a waiver because he was still on the terrorist list. nelson mandela was still on the terrorist list. so the sanctions are extremely hard to remove politically, even with an administration that wants to do so. and clearly president biden has stated he does not want to do so i guess it died several years after i removed the site. all right, i have a very engaged audience who want to ask you a few things. i'm going to call this the speed round. ok, so i'm going to say one a bit, that comments to you and i want an instant reaction because each of their questions it could last an entire show that he's not going to happen is going to be the speed, right. all right, henry, this is for you for nancy. will do ever be revived, considering the influence israel has on the united states in 30 seconds. i'm not sure this deal will be right,

but some deal we will be revived. the inevitability of us iran negotiations is always there. it's been there since the advent of the islamic republic in 1979. all right, nigga, this one is from you from rational history. thank you for being part of our program today. iran agrees to the deal and then what the next president backs out the next us present, backs out the u. s. a. shall no efforts have a long lasting, genuine deal in 30 seconds ago. unfortunately, i think after president from we have to agree with that and it's sort of the set up or the system here in the us that no president can promise anything for eternity. but then at the same time, i want to go back to my original point and hillary, it's the stroke of a pen. it's the presidential and in the executive order, which is the initial day c, p. o. by president obama. it was the stroke of a pen by president from pulling out of it. and president binding can go back into

the c p. o with a stroke of a pen. so he has the president. he has had the presidential power for the past year and a half. you still can do it today or tomorrow. it's just a matter of paying political capital. all right. say at this question is to you from water hughes. the naive might think it is possible to stop around from going nuclear realistically, for iran has a reasonable g, d p, an essential drive to become nuclear. they will delay is the only possibility in 30 seconds. your response said, ah, iran has already mastered the nuclear technology. if it was really willing to go for a military nuclear drive and what we would have done that way earlier. but they don't look at it this way. in addition to the fact father's been issued by iraq supreme leader to place a very strong ban religious fan. and when, if you were from iran and you are she, i'd moslem, you will understand what it means. in addition to that,

iranians believe that the era, bob, you know, not clear, arms is gone. now is the era of cyber attacks. and also there are bombs, like mother of all, bombs. and by the way, iranians have such a thing. i mean, it's similar to the american mother of old bombs with which has the same kind of effect. they don't need nuclear technology for military purposes. iranians have invested much on scientific aspects of the nuclear technology, and they've been open. you all international atomic energy organisation, surveillance and inspections before and after the deal. iran has been on there the largest number of men hours of inspections by the time and they've never met garza, i and let me just move on a little bit because the way that president bulletin and president nicely were talking, it sounded as if there was no price, the compromise, if the there's

a potential for that to be conflict of that both hotline is what then happens earlier, we spent a researcher, a sal, and this is what she told us. and then guess i'm going to come back to you for what are the sticking points for at least some kind of deal to be reinstated his a se level. the potential for catastrophe is the u. s. and you run escalade into military confrontation, cannot be overstated. the last 20 years have shown us if utility of us military in the region most prominently, you're not gonna stand after 20 years, the taller one. so if we go graph of the us withdrawal, the case of iran is the country that has a population larger than that of rock. and i can stand combined and with a more powerful position in the region than either of those countries had at the time of us and visions. us is also different countries and it was 20 years ago with growing economic and domestic pressure. there's even less of an appetite in the american public for forever wars wars in the region. so guess i was, no question was, can this around nuclear, adobe salvage? what would it take?

nichol, can you get us started, please? yeah, so i've been critical of the biden administration and i want to also voice micro some of they want inside. obviously there is a conservative flash hard line administration in power right now. present, right. see, comes from the conservative camp and iranian, 1st of all have refused to meet with the americans directly. they have their own logic thing. the u. s. is not part of the j. c p. but i still think he would help if they met directly and sort of speed up at least the process or speak face to face with the u. s. negotiate a rob miley, and it would hopefully help diplomacy. i think both sides need to compromise and need maybe not exactly halfway, but try to come up with solutions that can you know, material is an actual agreement and avoid a potential conflict. i agree with us, maybe not a full on war. definitely, i don't think has an on bottom once

a full more with iran, but conflict is not necessarily something you plan. you can dumble into conflict. and when tensions are high in the absence of diplomacy in agreements that conflict is something that inevitable. and finally, i want to add this issue that it want in the us have a long list of grievances and demands from each other. if you want to make a big soup and throw all of these things into a one agreement or one set of negotiations, it's not going to work. and that's something the obama administration understood. and that's why they focus on the nuclear issue as the 1st and most important thing . and i saw that as a gateway into better and more diplomacy on other issues there. i think that's something divide in administration has to try to do and focus on and not bring in other issues into the nuclear negotiation. up here i want your take on, on what it will take. would you mind if i go via alley up to me re because i'm

really struck and ali was struck really by the tone of the 2 countries leaders, us and iran and how they're talking about each other publicly. this is what alley told us earlier. and then your thoughts i just don't think it makes sense that countries like israel in the united states can continue to threaten iran, and iran is expected to just sit on its hands. do i want to see iran with nuclear weapons? no, i don't want to see iran or any country with nuclear weapons. i think they should be abolished. but as long as powerful countries can threaten other countries with impunity than there is on logic that those countries are going to see the sense in nuclear weapons. hillary, i'm just thinking change of tone. is that needed or is that just for public display

that hotline attitude is at the public display, but behind the scenes, there's a better conversation going on. but that's been my experience, frankly. when i was in the bush administration, george w bush at the time, designated iran as a charter member of the axis of evil. his rhetoric against iran was visceral, and was incredibly bellicose. but at the same time, i worked in the white house and he said to me, if there's anything that we can talk to, the iranians about, you find it and you talked to them about it. and we did. we talked about afghanistan, we talked about counter narcotics, we talked about al qaeda. there were a range of issues that we actually have in common. so while there are these list of grievances, there are also a lot of issues we have in common. the united states and the sonic republican, iran are never going to be allies, but we don't need to be allies. we can work on issues where we have a, we have shared interests and we can work through a dialogue to try to at least bracket or contain the issues that we disagree. say

it, i'm going to show our audience a graph of how around g d p has said from 2014, up until 2022. so we're going to put this on screen for our audience. we'll leave up there for a little while because i also need to check out what is going on here. the 2014, if you see the orange, the bright orange that to in the g d p was going up, the economy was doing well. 2015. the company plummeted far less well, when the nuclear deal was signed and sanctions were lifted. look what happened in 2016. it wasn't really great for the economy. and then following president, trump withdrawing for the future, reinstating sanctions 2018. 2019. incredibly bad for the economy now, remembering we still have sanctions in place, but 2022 to 202020 to 2020 to the economy in the raul is growing. and that is due to the impact of china and russia. working closely with ron

fed, this idea of sanctions being punitive and making a wrong change its mind about how it's going to approach the u. s. is that over now because of russia and china? ah ah, if you had it on on screen, i could talk about it for one hour. what happen? 2014. i'm not going to put it on the screen and say that it has made a difference. look at that. the numbers between the years are 20, all 152016. when the deal was arrived, that then suddenly iran started the crude export. so iran had over 8 percent growth rate. but the next year it dropped to 2 percent. as you can see,

because the u. s. has started define its undertakings and when donald trump took office and exit at the deal, you know that they, they started the, you know, that the sanctions program, the sanctions produced their impact for a maximum of a one. and a half years, according to many american experts, and we have experienced that as well somewhere around one half years to 2 years would be the climax of the impact of the sanctions than it falls on. now as soon as prison, racy took office, he started a warrant regional program in order to increase foreign trade. and guess what? in the 1st one year, he has improved iran spar entry by over 20 percent without a nuclear deal. iran is already exporting over $1000000.00 barrels of crude per day . sometimes it's up to one and a half 1000000 bows there, bay, and they plan to increase it. and we could say that, considering the ukraine war is ravaging,

and as the pre cold season per chases to start off, prices would start rising. i mean, in the energy market and iran's crude supplies would be demanded more than before. it's all iranians do not see really, you know, much interest in expanding size. i mean in reviving the deal is what day of request . it would not be given to them that removal of hundreds of you re new companies from the redness of sanctions, as well as economic guarantees requested by asian and european companies, but expanded ties with the russians and the chinese. well, of course it's been a major help, but that's not all of it. iraq, and as it has been expanding trade with, it's all, you know, neighbors now, right now too. i mean, tonight, iran and turkey sign a long term foreign trade cooperation. so this is harmony with regard to your car

with other countries as well. all right, so when i add a quick point can ng what we have one minute, let's say nick on going to ask if, if i may, if you can help me with looking here at what we promised we would do for our audience to have a look here on my laptop and you're all going to have a sentence to answer this, but i know you can handle it. is the iran nuclear deal dead? make gone in a sentence? no, it's not dead, but it needs serious resurrection to come out of a coma. hillary well, the nuclear crisis, so called crisis in my view as a manufacture crisis to begin with. so while this chapter in iran, iran u. s. negotiations are deal making maybe over there and there's more, yeah, when i'm going to be interesting that we have together. all right, this chapter may be dead, but we're going forward. anyway. i said one sentence is the around nuclear deal

dead from to ron iran. you say what now, but i believe we need to wait for about 4 to 6 weeks to see a last ditch effort by either either side. i still see a 5050 jan and i still believe and have high hopes that by then without the right way of wood. i'm gonna try and make di and use you as anew chief. thank he feel analysis. i see you next time. take everybody. ah, ah

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