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high answer me. ok today on the stream a wrong nuclear deal can be salvaged. he is iran's president abraham. right. e. see, speaking about america into ron, on july, the 13th for sure to be he's you on one not ran will not back down from its rightful and logical stance in talks to revive a 2015 nuclear material. i don't dig it over to the bedroom cottage. you experienced that that is not possible to speak with the ran by tough language. how many times do you want to experience that the ran does not succumb to fall? you don't. what is your name? you did? i now he is u. s. president joe biden, speaking about iran from jerusalem, one day later on, july, the 14th which regard no room in convincing the saudis and others that were mean we say is we mean what we say to have an opportunity to accept
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this agreements been laid down and say no, absolutely clear. we will not say it again. we will not allow rand to acquire nuclear weapons. who is going to compromise wayne and join i discussion i you chief comment section is now live waiting for your comments and questions. ah, let's meet your panel hello nichol. hillary said, welcome back to the string to all 3 of you. nice to see you again. me go remind audience who you all of what you do? i'm nagle, are more of the i am in iranian american journalists on political analysts based here in washington dc. i also host the wrong podcast. get to have you. how do we sound great to have you back on the screen,
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please introduce yourself to audience around the world. i'm hillary man, my friend at this point. i'm ceo of a political consultancy strategic strategic energy and global analysis. i spent many years in the u. s. government at the national security council in the state department, and i co wrote a book going to, to hon. why the united states must accept the islamic republic of iran. take it to how do you hear me and welcome back. say to the stream, great to have the analysis on the screen, please my audience, who you are and what you do. hello, my name is saw, so you must. i'm and the iranian foreign policy analyst. i also, you said university, and i'm also an editor in chief of the nearing a news agency. although i'm here to present my own use in my personal capacity and a very well and happy to be with you in this show, i guess great to happy. let me just remind our audience how we got to the raw
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nuclear deal in 2015 and where we are now. so let's rewrite of a little recap here. 2015. that was when the iran nuclear deal was site. 3 years later, president trump poured out of the deal, brought back sanctions against iran. and right now, bring us up to 2022. iran has enough uranium to make it a nuclear bomb. and what has happened to this iran nucleotide that is, i show that is our discussion today. i'm the guy you start us off way. is the deal . is there a deal to talk about? well, i mean, i see the deal i still alive bought on life support sort of in a coma. and this has happened talking about how we got here to this call. my situation is sort of happened when president from obviously unit a laterally pulled the us out of the deal. this is while united nation watchdog had
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been approving report out the report that iran was abiding by the deal. so in essence, president tom pulled out of it, not because of the reason of iran, not abiding by the did, but because he just didn't simply didn't like that. it was his predecessor, president obama, and then after the fact the word to when joe biden came into power candidate by then had promised that he had criticized president. trump will pulling out of the deal, rightfully. and he had promised to bring the us back into the j. c. p. o, a great promise. but i think it's one of those thomas's that is long overdue is now what a year and a half into that ministration. and it's essentially a promise that's not fulfilled and the more we move forward, i think it will be more difficult for him to do something like that because of the political backlash he's going to receive here in washington dc. so i think it's one of those things that time is ticking in the, by the administration, and they want in 5 to try to sort of meet pathway for you know, the guy brings up
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a really important point. the president biden said during that campaign that he would rejoin the j. c. p, o, a, the iran, nucular geo. as he made other premises, for example, for the united states to sign back up to the parents climate treaty for the united states to revoke that. what was called the muslim travel ban, all sorts of other immigration issues with which president biden vehemently disagree with the trunk administration and all of those other issues. paris, climate, the muslim travel of an immigration. all of those other promises president biden came president minded by to make good on them basically on day one except the iran nuclear deal. there. he said it had to be a negotiation. he wouldn't just revoke president trump's policies. and it's this negotiation that we've been involved in now ever since, and i'm afraid, could take us to what i'm also afraid will be the next republican administration that will similarly rip up the deal as these key republican candidates promise that
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i really want to get some grass roots input from you because you are in to ron iran right now. i keep hearing analogies as they see iran nuclear deal as being in a cola a. this is short term policy told us a few hours ago, but from to ron won't be the analogy that you would use. he's traitor, and i'm please respond immediately afterwards with your take the wrong you figure. ready is not dead, but it is definitely in a cost. but even if it is revive, which would be a very good thing, we have to recognize that it's not the same deal as it was in 2015. in 2015, it marked a shift and the trajectory of he was the wrong relations. a created an opening for greater regional diplomacy and production of tensions today. if the deal is revive neither side believes it will last longer than 2 years. neither side house confidence in the intentions of the other. and as a result,
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they will use the next 2 years to prepare themselves for what they see is almost the inevitable confrontation that will happen in 2025. when there's a new president in the white house. oh, let me 1st um, add uh, some points to what hillary said. i believe the problem with the biden administration is that when it comes to yvonne, he in system following president obama's containment strategy. and that means continue. ron's overall power when you want to do so, you do multiple agreements are j, c p, a way on the rise nuclear power would be the 1st. it would not be the last. they want to do the same with iran. smith on technology original power, so they need to keep the sanctions structure intact or almost intact in place. so that's why i prefer, is them biden. doesn't want to give in. are you now to the iranian demands for
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removing sanctions on hundreds of uranium companies, individuals, firms, and entities. and also other talks in the past 9 months, as i'm phoebe to the thought in. i know it pretty well when it were there was a stalemate in the talks. iranians brought up some kind of in initiative. the americans have never done that last kind of initially the iran brought up was almost 67 weeks ago when iranian said ok, we would delay the i r g c. a problem that we have been requesting to remove our juicy from the list. but we will delay that request. let's deal with 2 other major problems with americans shunt. and you know, they stepped back and they said by them said he wouldn't do the window for, you know, or should it be for giving any more concessions has been shut down. and there won't
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be any kind of fall concessions for iran. and don is done. and that's the problem, as long as the c and the look at this kind of falls deal as part of the containment strategy. the situation with no, you know, change, and iran in the u. s. and the european allies, they've had 6 agreements in the last one years, according to american officials, as well as european officials, an expert. iran has always been, you know, comply, and what is on the takings on their, all these deals over iraq and afghanistan. and you know, ron's nuclear program and the gc, if you are being the last one. but americans have always had one undertaking that has been removing this actions of their that they, they've never done that. that's the problem. they look for a conflict with site if i could, if i could amplify your very important point about sanctions, sanctions, once imposed by the united states are almost impossible to remove,
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not legally but politically. and i to, i'll take you back to 990. that's how old i am, because i clearly remember this. when nelson mandela was finally released in south africa from prison. and there was an election the 1st democratically democratic election in south africa. he was elected president. and they, he wanted to come to the united states. he had to apply for a waiver because he was still on the terrorist list. nelson mandela was still on the terrorist list. so these sanctions are extremely hard to remove politically, even with an administration that wants to do so. and clearly, president biden has stated, he does not want to do so. i guess if you died several years after i removed the site, i guess i have a very engaged audience. he want to ask you a few things. i'm going to call this the speed round. ok, so i'm going to say one of that, that comments to you and i want an instant reaction because each of their questions
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could lawson the entire show that he's not going to happen is going to be the speed . right. all right, and henry, this is for you for knocking. will the do ever be revive considering the inference israel has on the united states in 30 seconds? i'm not sure this deal will be revised, but some dealer we will be revived. the inevitability of us iran negotiations is always there. it's been there since the advent of the islamic republic in 1979. all right, nico, this one is from you from rational history. thank you for being part of our program today. iran agrees to the deal and then what the next president backs out. the next us present backs out the u. s. a shall know effort to have a long lasting, genuine deal in 30 seconds ago. unfortunately, i think after presidential we have to agree with that and it's sort of the set up or the system here in the us that no president can promise anything for eternity.
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but then at the same time, i want to go back to my original point in hillary's, it's the stroke of a pen, it's the presidential and it's in the executive order, which is there sunday, or national day c, p. o, a by president obama. it was the stroke of a pen by president from pulling out of it and president by then can pull back into the j. c. p. o, a. with a stroke of a pencil. he has the president. he has had the presidential power for the past year and a half. you still can do it today or tomorrow. it's just a matter of pay. now political capital, all right. say at this question is for you from war to hughes. the naive might think it is possible to stop iran from going nuclear, realistically, for iran has a reasonable g d p, and an insatiable drive to become nuclear. they will delay is the only possibility in 30 seconds. your response said, ah, iran has already mastered the nuclear technology. if it was really willing to go for a military nuclear drive and what we would have done that way earlier. but they don't
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look at it this way. in addition to the fact father's been issued by iraq supreme leaders place a very strong ban religious ban. and when, if you are from iran and you are she, i've muslim, you will understand what it means. in addition to that, iranians believe that the era of, you know, not clear, arms is gone. now is the era of cyber attacks. and also there are bombs, like mother of all, bombs. and by the way, iranians have such a thing. i mean, it's similar to the american mother of old bombs, which has the same kind of effect. they don't need nuclear technology for military purposes. iranians have invested much on scientific aspects of the nuclear technology, and they've been open. you all international atomic energy organization, surveillance and inspections before and after the deal. iran has been on there the
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largest number of men hours of inspections by the time and they've never met garza, i and let me just move on a little bit because the way that president blayton and president nicely were talking, it sounded as if there was no price, the compromise, if the there's a potential for that to be contacted, they're both hardliners. what then happens earlier we spoke to researcher as how and this is what she told us. and then guess i'm gonna come back to you for what are the sticking points for at least some kind of deal to be reinstated. here's a se level. the potential for catastrophe if the u. s. any run escalated to military confrontation cannot be overstated. the last 20 years have shown us the futility of us militarism the region most prominently in afghanistan. war after 20 years. the telephone swiftly took over half of the was withdrawal. the case of iran is a country that has a population larger than that of iraq and afghanistan combined, and with
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a more powerful position in the region than either of those countries had at the time of us invasions. the u. s. is also different country than it was 20 years ago with growing economic in domestic pressure, there is even less of an appetite in the american public for forever wars awards in the region. so guess original question was, can this the wrong nuclear gilby salvation? what would it take nika? can you get us started, please? yes, so i've been critical of the biden administration and i want to also voice micro, some of they want to inside. obviously there is a conservative flash hard line administration in power right now. present re fi comes from the conservative camp. and iranian, 1st of all have refused to meet with the americans directly. they have their own logic thing. the u. s. is not part of the j c p, but i still think he would help if they met directly and sort of speed up at least the process or speak face to face with the u. s. negotiate a rob miley and it would hopefully help diplomacy. i think both side needs to
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compromise and meet maybe not exactly halfway, but try to come up with solutions that can you know, material is an actual agreement and avoid a potential conflict. i agree with us, maybe not a full on war. definitely, i don't think has it on bottom once a full more with iran, but conflict is not necessarily something you a plan, you can dumble into conflict and when tensions are high in the absence of diplomacy in agreements that conflict is something that inevitable. and finally, i want to add this issue that it want in the us have a long list of grievances and demands from each other. if you want to make a big tube and throw all of these things into one agreement or one set of negotiations, it's not going to work. and that's something the obama administration understood. and that's why they focus on the nuclear issue. as the 1st and most important thing, and i saw that as a gateway into better and more diplomacy on other issues. and i think that's
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something to by an administration has to try to do and focus on and not bring in other issues into the nuclear negotiation. hillary, i want your take on, on what it will take, would you mind if i go via ali and me re because i'm really struck. and ollie was struck really by the tone of the 2 countries lead us to us and iran and how they're talking about each other publicly. this is what ali told us earlier, and then your thoughts. i just don't think it makes sense that countries like israel in the united states can continue to threaten iran and iran is expected to just sit on its hands. do i want to see iran with nuclear weapons? no, i don't want to see iran or any country with nuclear weapons. i think they should be abolished. but as long as powerful countries can threaten other countries with
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impunity than there is a logic that those countries are going to see the sense in nuclear weapons all angles. frontal change of tone is that needed, or is that just for public display that hotline attitude is that the public display that behind the scenes as a better conversation going on? that's been my experience, frankly, when i was in the bush administration, george w bush at the time designated iran as a charter member of the axis of evil. his rhetoric against iran was visceral and was incredibly bellicose. but at the same time, i worked in the white house and he said to me, if there's anything that we could talk to, the iranians about, you find it and you talked to them about it. and we did. we talked about afghanistan, we talked about counter narcotics, we talked about al qaeda. there were a range of issues that we actually have in common. so while there are these list of
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grievances, there are also a lot of issues we have in common. the united states and the sonic republic of iran are never going to be allies, but we don't need to be allies. we can work on issues where we have, we have shared interests and we can work through a dialogue to try to at least bracket or contain the issues that we disagree. say it, i'm going to show our audience a graph of how iran, stevie p has fed from 2014, up until 2022. so we're going to put this on screen for our audience. they leave out there for a little while because i also need to work out what is going on here. it's a 2014. if you see the orange, the bright orange, that's when the g p was going up, the economy was doing well. 2015. the company plummeted far less well, when the nuclear deal was signed and sanctions were lifted. look what happened in 2016. it was a really great for the economy and then following president,
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trump withdrawing from the nuclear deal, reinstating sanctions 2018. 20. 19. incredibly bad for the economy. now remembering we still have sanctions in place but 202-2220. 20. 20. to 20. 22. the economy in iran is growing and that is due to the impact of china and russia, working closely with iran, say it this idea of sanctions being punitive and making iran change its mind about how it's going to approach the u. s. is that over now? because of russia and china, ah, ah, if you had it on on screen, i could talk about it for one hour. what happened? 2014, i'm not going to put it on the screen and say that it has made a difference. look at that, the numbers between the years of 20152016.
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when the deal was arrived, that then suddenly iran started the crew to explore. so iran had over 8 percent growth rate. but the next year it dropped to 2 percent. as you can see, because the u. s. has started define its undertakings and when donald trump took office and exit at the deal, you know that they, they started the, you know, that the sanctions program, the sanctions produced their impact for a maximum of a one. and a half years, according to many american experts, and we have experienced that as well somewhere around one half years to 2 years would be the climax of the impact of the sanctions than it falls on. now as soon as prison, racy took office, he started a warrant regional program in order to increase foreign trade. and guess what? in the 1st one year, he has improved iran spar and traced by over 20 percent. we doubt
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a nuclear deal. iran is already exporting over $1000000.00 barrels of crude per day . sometimes it's up to one and a half 1000000 bows. 3rd bay. and they plan to increase it. and we could say that, considering the ukraine war is ravaged, and as the pre cold season per chases to start off, prices would start rising. i mean, in the energy market and iran's crude supplies would be demanded more than before. so iranians do not see really, you know, much interested in expanding size. i mean, in reviving the deal is what they have requested would not be given to them. that's removal of hundreds of you re new companies from the redness of sanctions, as well as economic guarantees requested by asian and european companies, but expanded ties with the russians and the chinese. well, of course it's been
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a major help, but that's not all of it. iraq, and as it has been expanding trade with, it's all, you know, neighbors now, right now too. i mean, tonight, iran and turkey signed a long term foreign trade cooperation. so this is harmony with regard to your car with other countries as well. all right, so and i, at that point can, and i, we have one minute left synagogue and ask if, if i may, if you can help me with looking here at what we promised we would do for our audience to have a look here on my laptop and you're all going to have a sentence to answer this, but i know you can handle it. is the iran nuclear deal dead? make gone in a sentence? no, it's not dead, but it needs serious resurrection to come out of coma. hillary. well, the nuclear crisis, so called crisis in my view as
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a manufacturer crisis to begin with. so while this chapter in iran, iran, us negotiations are deal making maybe over there and there's more, yeah, i want to be interesting that we have together. all right, this chapter may be dead, but we're going forward anyway. i said one sentence is the around the p until dead from to ron iran. you say what? now? but i believe we need to wait for about 4 to 6 weeks to see a last ditch effort by either either side. i still see a 5050 jan and i still believe and have high hopes that by then without the right way of wood. i'm gonna try and make god and you view as anew chief. thank he feel analysis. i see you next time. take everybody.
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