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when it was clear that any attempt to stop the vote, certification would fail, and the national guard was on its way to dull trump speak. but even then he refused to use the prepared statement. it was a landslide election, and every one knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. she can't see it for the next day. is your destination prob, still would not concede, but this election is now all congress has certified the results. i don't want to say elections over, just wanna say congress has certified the results with that said the elections over . okay. the committees argument is the trump broke the oath of office by not acting on january the 6th that didn't just fail to act. he chose not to act on the committee will hold more hearings in september to make the argument the trump isn't fit of a hold office. again. she albert nancy al jazeera washington. ah,
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year. could this unrest spread to the rest of the country? it has been a while since we talked about sudan on the stream. so the comment section is right here for your comments. your questions. feel free to ask our panel. anything be part of the day shall ah, i'll come back to ever misread at hulu, an expert panel of sudan. if we're please introduce yourself to our internet of yours around the world. although they don't know who you are. i don't know what network they're watching. good to have you ever welcome. thank you for me. i'm here morgan. ok, zero's correspondent covering this interesting country called sedan. good to have. he misread always. great to have you on the stream. please remind our audience around the world who you are and what you do. oh, hi. my name is in sales by him. i'm from sedan normandy and the climate actor mr. but also as sergeant democratic traverse. and one of the young people who
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participated, of course, in that of lucian and trying to achieve their democratic country get to have inside on today's program at hello, please introduce yourself, drive you as around the world. hello everyone. i'm hello. hello. i am political analyst and the head of a think tank in hot or cold confluence advisory. all right, thank you for being part of today show you need know, reminds about how we got to where we are in the current situation. but for the rest of us, his short recap, let's do a quick timeline taking you back to april 2019. that was when omar bashir was overthrown in august of the same year, military and civilian factions agreed to share power. look how broad those small is . are our happy people were we fast forward to october of last year was the dan's army seized power in a military coup. and then he, we all right now in july we had begging violence in the blue. now state he but
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right now is in the blue now state, she's been reporting for outreach 0. i'm going to show you some of habits reporting but have a can you give us just a brief idea of what spot those caches in the southern part of c dot before we have more of your reporting? well, it's mostly the issue of tribal administrations now for people to know sedan, the issue of tribes in your administration in chief saying it's it's, it's quite a significant source of power and it's been more so since 2019 because you know, like a tribes have been given quite a lot of political significance and they've been used by a certain political groups and our arm groups to try to show that they have more power and more influence in certain areas and places. so this whole thing here in blue now started with the fact that you know astro from what we understand being
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here on the ground is then the houses they wanted to have their own travel administration and for the tribes that are here. they've been here for centuries. they believe that the houses don't have that right. and then there was also a lot of incitement. you know, it's been seen videos online, people saying that the houses should not be given land. they have no right of being here. and of that incitement, all of that anger intention just exploded. so to that that's, that's what we ended up seeing. you know, at bible clashes, homes being burned, shops being looted, people being killed and displaced. this has taken my when i have a look at hitler's reporting on the finance, it's been a wrapping in the blue. now state in see that has taken up. this is what remains of a jelly up the less home into down south eastern blue now state. he's searching for any personal belongings he can salvage most, were burned in fighting between members of his hammock tribe and the house on. for sir, this our la shadow, we were surprised on friday morning by members of the house of tribe attacking us
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some burning prophecy. so we had to flee. my brother was killed and right here we found his body. heck to pieces in the middle. now we homeless and the situation is really tough. what a little i'm wondering. so he's got tribal conflict in the south. we've had recent violence in dar for we have protested, still protesting up against military leaders, herbs taking over from a very ordered transitional process. do they all connect up, or are they just all separate, separate instances that are challenging the people sedan in their efforts to get a democratic leadership in place? absolutely. all linked up. we saw a very significant spike in the levels of violence across the country. since october of last year, so as you say was so intense fighting breakout in parts of west for and going along
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to south for south could find blue. now you can almost trace this crescent light trajectory of violence from da for which will probably now i'm spirit to other parts of the country has already spread to other parts of the country. because it's hitler said the house, the group is that the landed group, they don't have tribal or group lands. and so they exist in many parts of the country. and this attack, what they see is an attack on them has led to protest and unrest where these house groups are in other parts of the country. so there's been this spreading of violence like wildfire. all of this is connected to the central politics of sedan because you know, the peace agreement of 2020, which was yes done during made during the power sharing agreement. but it was heavily supervised and controlled by the ministry component which is now in government. and that has thrown up all sorts of conversations and more importantly, the fact that these groups are being displaced is leading a lot of people to think that that is intentional. because these areas where these
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groups are all the way from door for all the way down to circle define and blue nile and in the east, these are the production areas. there is gold, there is uranium under this very said people are being displaced from and so people, some dues, think of it as a part of an economic enterprise of sudden interest groups in call to me and elsewhere. miss rain. yes, so i totally agree with hulu. dan heber, and let's not, not forget that demetrius trained to do anything to prove that their existence in power is very much needed and is the only way for peace and security, which is, of course, we know just that excuse for continuing this liquid situation of the government, i think one of the main problems that we are having and facing, sudan is the lack of governance in the local school of low. and, and that's what actually did the tribal leaders, they call them civil readers. but for me, we know that there are tribal leaders to actually have more influence and more power. and it doesn't need an expert or in the sudan is context and interest in his
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history to know how much sensitivities to actually touch this tribal heroically and touched the, the, the tribe leader or the elders of, of the stripes. and this is exactly what the people did in order to influence and to burn more in conflicts in different areas. and not only by the way the house groups, other different ethnicities indifferent. ah, tribes have different problems in sudan. and all of these are exactly as good mission is impacted by the sent the absence of the central government and the central control in the country. in general. however, i'm just wondering how the current leadership is handling all of these multiple different issues at the same time as sudan is challenged in terms of finances and resources and just providing for its people. well,
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provision is quite low at the moment, isn't it? so i, there obviously is challenges in terms of providing the basic services, electricity of water, you know, proper schooling hospitals, those basic necessities that make up a state that the country is always been having challenges in terms of providing that. and it's even worse these days with the economic challenge and the fact that at the donor aids that was supposed to be gears donor funding, that was, was to be given to sudan was suspended following the military takeover. now to this specific conflict here in blue nile, when we spoke to people and the military, when you hear both sides, they seem to be blaming the military for not acting fast enough. you know, it started under 14, it could have been contained within hours and obviously the military does have the power. we've seen that because, you know, we've seen them basically dispersing protesters firing tear gas at them, fired live ammunition, stan grenades it so we know they have that ability but here in blue and i'll,
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you know, both sides say it took them too long to respond to them days, not hours, days to respond. people were dying, profits were being burned, people were being displaced and there was no reaction. so obviously they have different ways of handling different situations. and the question here as why did they take so long? who um, did you ship to try to contained a circle conflicts or to try to separate the, the people who are fighting the tribes that are fighting and, and, and the scar like so people here are asking that question. you know, what is different? is that because they want to see this tribal conflict happening and the one that chaos doesn't happen and ensure that you know exactly if they have them you know, so these questions are being asked here. i'm going to put to you, i'm yeah, night missing any. let me put this, i guess. oh, says matt, matt, matt okay. who we spoke to? well, yeah. and then you can pick up a meeting of it is, is the same line of thought. matt, who we spoke to earlier, had an idea about why conflict was happening in sudan and the involvement of the military leadership and people who have been supporting them. this is matt sperry.
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i've been changed by your theory, but let's listen to math festival. i think it's really important that we characterize and what's taking place there as a latest consequence of a political logic. those govern sudan since independence. i'm, we're by security leads in cartoon securitized and, and exploit the resources from the peripheries in order to fatten their own pockets . i'm the coolest that came to power after toppling the civilian administration. in october 2021. they have applied and reinforced the same political logic, making them drivers of conflict in the peripheries. mission guy had yes, as a, as we're speaking right now, one of our young people or was killed or in her tomb in only remained to be particular or only a few hours ago. and m, as, as he been mentioned,
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this variation of the, of using the power of the government, of the power of the guns is really early. not strange, but very obvious that they just want these conflicts to continue. and as they mentioned are also members of the sovereign council, the current sovereign council, who were actually members of some of the armed movements are the one who are she started this problem. so it's actually started by people who should be the lead of the communities and should be a seekers for peace and should be people who are actually advocating for the p security. i'm it's, it's very were obvious, as i mentioned also that the economic and burdens are very heavy on the, on the, on the citizens. i mean, the average average in weight off salaries is around 70 years birth month, yet the mostly expenses for a middle. a family is around $400.00 new errors or approximately. so the
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huge gap between the salary wades and between the m. i mean, the prices of the goods and the huge inflation rates that we have in these days. and of course, the stress from the political position where a lot of people think there is no way out there. because the military is on one side, the politicians on one side and there is no a light at the end of the tunnel. there is no way of correctly. they don't, don't see any way of people coming together and trying to move out from the situation yet. young people are dying every day, and yet you come an insult or olders and all leaders. so i think it's a cultural, it's economical is political. the conflict that's happening right now in buena is just an exit small example of what's happening in sudan for the past that seeks to do to 8 moses lose. meanwhile,
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per pro democracy protest is all continuing and i want to get your take home on that. but 1st i'm going to go via a city that happened in her tomb. and this was just a few days ago in july because i'm looking at the tactics of the pro democracy protesters because we thought 2 months ago. and i still protesting. let's go to the sitting festival. i met with mr. n. is the school for me, where revolutionary is created? a set in is much better than confrontation out of it in there's a real upbringing for the revolutionary. the sense that took place in front of military institutions from april to july 2019, actually created today's revolutionaries with their resilience and courage that are now present in the streets. the are a foundational component for the revolutionary and are necessary tool for peaceful resistance. how are these protests going generally they
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they certainly have stamina. the pope has his have stamina. all they make a difference. yeah. yeah guys they are. we saw these protests continue solidly, sometimes once, twice a week, sometimes more than that a week consistently since october of last year. since the morning of the to itself . that to me showed a very significant opposition to the status quo as the regime has it. and of course, we know that this regime is purely trying to survive. so regardless of what it says and recency, the head of the southern council made a statement that he was willing to hand over power to civilian government. we the unfortunate people, what he does and what his regime does on behalf of their interest does not follow that. so what we know is what the existence committees and pope democracy movement, particularly the streets, have been very sort of astute in deducing, is that actually there's a long way to go. and the more the time precedes,
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the more this regime is trying to reintroduce itself. and bring about this restoration of bush is lama military gene, just without pushing. so we're seeing all the great thing fighting in the peripheries with the christina being targeted. we're seeing, you know, root of law being thrown out. the window was being protested, being killed. this feels very much like she is bringing back the old way of ruling hey, but go ahead. well, the thing is, you know, yes, we've seen processors on the streets and he has there been a lot of persistence that agree with hold on about one but, but there needs to be, i mean, you know, looking, looking at, by looking back sedans, history and looking at there, at the military records in it as it always has to come in and right now it's not you know, you've got the military on site, you've got the paramilitary record support forces. on the other side, you've got the army groups that are citing with the military on a 3rd hand over there. and then you've got the civilians on the other,
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on the 4th side, basically on the other side of this equation. and then you've got the pro, haven't we thought that we've got a square? we've got a square full pot. if this is a hot equation, which is why we're doing this, everybody. he don't comments, questions on you to send them to us. i can send them to hipaa right now on, on youtube. you got. com. i'm sorry, i'm just trying to keep up with our, our 4 points here. so this is complicated. go ahead eva is, is complicated, but let's not forget, you know, for be shears regime to collapse or at least for a, temporarily there, there had to be changed from within. and that there was these conflicts happening to bravery. right now it's a trial, it's tribal conference we're seeing and are for and where to find in blue. but it's not an armed conflict, so it's on a full on arm conflict. so this regime has, i would say a bit of more in lifeline than, than, than brochures retain because there is no arm group that they are currently having to fight because all the arm of sir fighting is now with them. so it's posing
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a bit it's, it's a bigger challenge now to the point of walkers movement back then in 20. and i thought it was the point. yeah, 2 big groups that didn't sign the piece agreement. you have the se, lay ogden, while he then you have the hospital m, abdel aziz, which are actually the biggest groups and that's why they didn't feel the need or the pressure to join the peace agreement process in 2020. what you have right now is the weakest effectively, i rebel groups at the time joining the so called peace process, which brought about no peas and isn't really much of a process or an agreement. so actually you do have 2 major robot groups outside of the framework of this regime, and they do pose a threat to this regime. what i think we will see more of is festivals, more interfaces between different arm groups and groups. that sedan is a wash with small arms was added, and it was a person in today, so they, are they gonna chat to each other than a join up with each other? what is, what does that mean? well, i think we will see some realignments, or there could be certain groups joining with each other. but we could also see new
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sort of a zones of confidence in you as a conflict, a new, a new contestation, be some alliances. but they'll be also be new conversations because things have changed politically and that always create space competition which will make him as equation yes, unsolvable. let me just bring in one more thought here. and then i go straight back to you. misery because we've been talking about the military leaderships. i want to bring in the head of sedans, ruling sovereign cancer, because they were talks at the moment between various groups in sudan, and then the military have taken themselves out of that series of talks. that's happening right now. and this was the reason why when you hear this misery and i really would like your, your response immediately of the back of it. here we go. god room go you not the shy one more bill. if i call on the people, especially the youth, to adhere to peace, everyone has the rights to express their opinion,
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and your sacrifices are appreciated. and your hopes for a democratic transition are fulfilled. your armed forces will not stand in the way in fernando. out of them, well he well, we all know that this is a very hypocrite, a speech because for many years their military institute was part of the governing and a bars of the ruling component in sudan, which is a very bizarre situation. but because it stayed like this for a long time, now, the military thing that they are giving something that actually belong to them, which is power to the civilian. and that's why you had this attitude of we are going out you, i agree between yourselves and then come back. and it's is just funny in, in, in for me it's not misleading, but it's actually leading us in the right direction. because getting the military out of the equation off, the government is actually the main request by all of these protesters in the
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street. yet albert han was actually gambling and he was, and he was putting a lot of money in all of his eggs in one basket. which is that disobedient will not agree any time soon. and i think this is a very, a dangerous perception. yet it might be true if the emitter a politicians and i different groups did not actually reach a formula where and delivering the power back to civilian is possible. actually have a go ahead no agreement here, like let's not forget bad. yes. it looks like all the way forward because obviously it's clear to that, to, to the protest over now with what they want to and they don't want. but then again, political groups have always had their differences, right. you know where we're talking about civilian groups and it's divided into 2 camps, right? you have what han mal, who has stepped out of these talks and they're currently suspended. but you also
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have a site that supported the military takeover that of actually called with the military takeover. so it's not like, you know, the military is completely out of the equation. they're out physically, they have the allies. so it's like a proxy presence right now. so yeah, it is still a complicated equation and yeah, yeah, thank you. i was never good at math and so i, it's a, i'm a, it's, it's interesting having you unpacked this for us is one more, one more voice i want to include in our conversation. this one comes from hello, hello, excuse me. am because you hear about the pro democracy protest is what they want the, the different factions amongst the protesters, but hell out very clearly explained what her issue and i thought i purchased as a, she's actually are with the current leadership. this is what she told us that, you know, mean our presence in the broadest movement. we've then agenda and i. ringback understanding that this is an exist and she'll tell them that they understand or
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that they cannot strive. they cannot exist peacefully with our eyes and medicine, islam governmental entity, a that can see. and we have already seen how the violence against women is extremely elating. a country only a few weeks ago, a young woman has been sentenced to this vice tony. this is a type of government that apparently we are struggling against. as we may activist watching our discussion has been hyper bow. what should be done to bring more stability to sedan, hyper bo arts as their own question. they need to 1st identify themselves as a country rather than tribes. another comment, a solution, political education, being realistic about power blocks is unrealistic to create ideas because sudan has
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so much to lose. and currently there's chaos. one more than i men, the better solution is to divide the country to federal states and every state has its own parliament. how would they even work? now i'm arguing the youtube view as i, i'm just curious from you, allude what it is like an eunice ring, and just in a sentence, if you could, as at the very end of the show, as somebody who is from sudan to see this as your country, just a personal view in a sentence. hello, you go 1st. i think sedan is re making it state, and i think the crew has always been the vehicle for the largest type of, of political changes. so i think with the pro, maximum, mr. hold steady, the changes are coming. thank you. in this ring, a personal view to and on. yeah, i just want to build on what you had mentioned the problem and the question is at what cost? and when the change is coming, this is the 2 questions that we are trying to actually have
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a balance between what is actually costing us right now to do this. but of this way . and is it the best way to do it or not? answering hulu, and however, thank you so much for your analysis, having us to understand a very complicated equation of what's happening in sudan right now. thanks for watching. i see next time, ah, 11 years after she noticed buffy i would spring up rising. the only democracy to emerge from the upheaval is to vote on a controversial constitutional referendum. one that is critic fear could pave the way back to the retiring it and stay with al jazeera but all the latest developments and in depth analysis with some of the world largest reserve needs. yeah. provides much of the uranium that fuels year at the nuclear power
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