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he was brought in to unite italy, but my minister, my a druggie has resigned triggering snuff elections. what's behind the latest political drama, and who fans the game the most from the turmoil, this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting abigail. mario draggy was known as super mario. the former european central bank chief was appointed as italy's prime minister, 18 months ago, to lead a unity government and still the country out of the pandemic. although he was popular among the public drug, he didn't enjoy the same level of support within the fractured coalition. his resignation forced the president to dissolve parliament and call a snap election in september. it's the latest political upset in the euro zones.
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3rd largest economy. adam rainy reports from rome. italy's president sandra method, ella, announcing a 70 day timeline for early elections. clearly a decision he did not want to take. no, shirley went on to ship out of that battle amend. so the only his own of parliament is always a last resort. particularly if the government, as it is the case in this period to order the parliament has many important tasks to complain almost in the interests of our countrymen. but the developments in the political situation have led today to this decision. his announcement came hours after mario that aggie stepped down on thursday. the prime minister made his last statement in parliament before tendering his resignation. jay bill, thank you. busy goodbye kitchen and even central bank is hot, so touch some times. my thank you for this. and thanks for all the work we had done together during this time. hello draggy, let a government for less than 18 months. many leaders across europe, song as
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a steady hand to pull italy, and maybe even the whole continent out of the pandemic. he helped steer billions of dollars of recovery funds to italy, the largest recipient, and the euro zone, and was a leading voice and europe support of ukraine against russia. but in the end, this central banker couldn't wrangle the diverse group of parties in his coalition . each with its own priorities, e goodies, chamber opulence, speak, those populace of august are mood, lives splintered and earnest, civil war. he couldn't jane the other populace, the gallagher on the, on the right way. and because there's plenty. so there's a rate chaos right now underway while some are lamenting the government's collapse . one party is thrilled the far right wing. brothers of italy currently leading in the polls looks likely to win more seats than any other skeptical of brussels and e u policies. it's not clear, it will be able to manage relationships with other
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e u leaders as well as froggy, and some worry, a could even put further e recovery fund payouts at risk adarine. i'll g 0 roam. so it really is no stranger, it's a political turmoil. it's had $69.00 governments since world war 2, that's almost a new administration every year. the brothers of italy currently leads opinion polls with nearly 24 percent. the leader at georgia maloney could head up a right wing governments with the league party and former prime minister silvio berlusconi. for italy, this central left democratic parties, the only other group holding above 20 percent. it could form a coalition with the populace fivestar movement on smaller parties, but some members have ruled out being in alliance with 5 star. ah, let's not bring in our guest. joining us from rome is mikella gerace, who's a former under secretary of italy's economic development ministry from verona,
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illinois, the head of economic analysis at the center for european policy, and also from rome, giovanni, or seen the director of the school of government and the professor of contemporary history and we squeezed o'corrley university warm welcome to you all. thank you so much for your time with us on the inside story. mckelly a jet out you over to you for a so a druggie is credited by some with really restoring italy's credibility on the world stage. but his critics would say he was a technocrat and he couldn't play the part of a politician, especially when it came to dealing with parliament. what do you think went wrong and what went wrong? was this a current government or was formed during the call the, the crisis where pretty much are the interest of the whole can true of all political parties where aligned. and so we formed these government of national unity. now, after the call, it crisis was, you know, way likely over comma. then the differences between the parties to started to
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emerge because a collision with 6 or 7 parties, many of them kept on splitting to former smaller part. of course it was becoming unsustainable. and this was the primacy. so for the difficult then relationship between dragon, there was placed there by the price of the matter a lot to, to lead the parliament. and now the 2nd stage of the parliament actually wanting to lead to the government then. so the conflict was created, right, giovanni or see, you know, was there any joints for except resignation? eventually there was no other choice because it was very clear that the majority didn't fall apart. one could argue that when the problem started setting in, which is the last week with the 3rd, the no, no vote of confidence, which was, it was not really no confidence. it was a non both of county that's actually by the movement. i think he could play the
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softer and if he had played itself or if he had some more choices to remain as prime minister. but it is also clear that he had understood that any ways government would be weekend and we were now to buy the situation. and he was also personally quite tired about all that. so he was, you know, way forward and in between his 1st breath friends which seemed to be away. and the national interest of course, which was pulling him in it's in its position. so when he started the resigning last week and then with his speech the day before yesterday, wednesday at the said that i mean email way hotter than the pays or at least he made the task easier for those who wanted to treat him. right, and just stay with us for just a moment because i wonder if you can explain what you mean by he could have played that softer because there was a run in giovanni with the 5 star movement and not ultimately triggered the entire
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crisis. then according to reports, the leaders of both the northern league and a force, a italia, issued a statement given that argue their support. however, that support came with conditions. so he was in a really tough position, was the north that was at the end of the crisis. but you know that to get to this position that you are describing, there was a path in a way that led the country there. for instance, that when the last week the 5 star didn't build the confidence, they also said they wanted to gone supporting the government. so there was no need for that. i need to resign. you could have only opened up the negotiation in order to build up the majority. that was the softer option, but you wanted to resign. of course, either resignation was refused by the presence of the public, but don't the last resigning dramatize the crisis unless they rather doubt
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speech or if the legal and the bid was gone for the diarrhea and all 3 bad that you was basically, you know, way making it more difficult for them to staying the majority and then online they any 2nd intervention in the fact that he was very top on the 5 star movement. and also in the case with a soft or intervention, you might try to, to win back if i started. so there were moments in the very tactical game in which you could ever left the door a bit more open. and you remained a very, very strict for reasons about understandable. of course, he wanted to make it very clear for the political parties that they add, that they wanted to go on supporting him. they had to do what you wanted. so what the deed is understandable. nonetheless, that these part of the let's say the development of the crisis. ok, i don't know a resignation now accepted by the president. where are we in terms of the process
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of how it lead now head to another election. yes, we are going to have another election by september 25 and dragon will remain hour to do like rent work until the date of the election. as far as the election is concerned. i believe that it is in huge chance that completion of the writing part is mike lee. the collision will be probably lead by the brothers of the police, which has gain an exception not support your in the last years. let's you do that. yes, pos, from the parties, pos from 4 percent in 2019 to most almost 22 percent today. and this was also related to the fact that the party was at the position of the government. and then, you know, the other part is when formed, equity should be the league which has been losing power and authentic tonya led by my prime minister berlusconi right. so we will see what's going to happen,
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but is likely that right we, when the ship might take the power, i do want to talk about the right wing parties in a moment or not. but just one more for you. i mean, just on, on the process right now and what happens next, how long do you think it's going to actually take to form a new government? it depends in the sense that it depends on how much the rank one condition but might when you know, of course, and then you know its capacity to form a coherent government. so you can takes weeks or month, i think ok, these of course his wife frisky in terms of credibility to lee just really got the moment i think a connection a level for you know, all the reasons that we know ok. mikaela at the so obviously a period of instability ahead which parties do you think are going to take credits for what's developed over the past few days and who do you think benefits from all of us? i dont think her parties are blanker fighting to get credit for these. so because
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on one hand, a 434 parties in a way where the agent of draggy fell out. on the other hand, they also supported him. if he had made some concessions like to run you was mentioning before, so there is no really political capital to be gained by claiming to be the agent of drag. this collapse just because of his reputation. so all parties are shying away from claiming the victorian concentrating already on the come bang. you ask me who will win? i agree with that and i will most likely be the center, right coalition that could actually take the a vast majority of the parliament because if they go to gather they to get across to the 40 percent, the threshold or they gain a little bit of an extra premium, so the number of members of the parliament could be higher than the proportion of
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votes that they receive or also because the left winger are in a way these united it used to be that the democratic party could go ahead with the 5 star more mentor, now this is not likely to be so we have a, you know, a breakdown of coalition on the left side and out favor the right wing government. that's why i think are out of this crisis that they are the ones who will gain the most benefit. but mikella, how do you explain the rise of the far right in italy? because from what i understand, the brothers of italy, the, that's the furthest party to the right. just so for our viewers, vague they went from about 4 percent of the vote in 2018 in the general election, to now becoming the biggest party in opinion polls at least. how do you explain this rise? and the main reason is that when you have a crisis,
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we have the comic crisis call with crisis, the war and the functions that will hurt to the tie in a call, no need to gas everything. the only thing you need to do to gain volts is to stay in the position. so you know, way georgia moloney was like, you may be smart and not to be part of the drug government in 202116 months ago. and of course, she raped the benefit to all the collecting the anger that's in the meantime, develop to need to leave. you mentioned before the reputation of dr. g in de international arena, which is true because of course, he's a man that has laid the guest and for bank and so on, back to within italy. and we have a discontent to growing only 2 weeks ago we had the massive taxi drivers protested the pretty much blocked the whole center aroma with tourist the, you know, getting into chaos. we have the people who complain still about the way that the
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government dealt with the lockdown that they call the crisis center for georgia, maloney, almost the respective. all her views are re, irrespective of the content, just being in your position almost gives you 5 to 10 percent point to just not being in the government. right. giovanni, is that how you see things? i mean this, this, this leader of the, the right wing party, the brothers of it's in the maloney. she's her parties accused of attracting the support of neo fascist. she hold nationalist views on migration, social as well as cultural issues. does she appeal to the italian voters, giovanni? i think, i mean, you can't, i was right sir, but i would qualify some of the things that he will say in italy, in the writing country. and the con there, i mean, he's an, a majority has always been and already in the election of 2018,
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it was very near missed for the center, right? collision of the absolute majority. so we should start from that. these are boats that are moving inside the right, they're moving from the lee good to from 4th to the lead to brother italy. so basically these are right doing both that they're always stayed inside the right, moving from one party to the other. now or regionally day where in better was going to sort of say, god yeah, but that it was going to 85. so this is a story that is coming to it's closer. and so many votes, we're actually going out from between 20182019. many of those votes went to the league. and in the moments i'll be any, was the leader was actually looking life the person in charge to the right. but i mean, he made a number of quite serious political mistakes and seems 2019 that those are stock of
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moving from vienna to george. i mean, these are the same both. so we shall be in 2018, 2019 and even better school yet. earlier than that, there are fascists. you need tell you, but this is a very tiny minority. and when you're speaking of a center, right, and that is credited by the totem pole. so 4547 percent. actual past sheets, maybe are 2 percent of that role of these is not, you know, fast. she's both the ga milanni is not your fashion that he's the national conservative party arrived. we certainly clear the right to the party national conservative the inside of the boundaries of a liberal democracy in these moments, each audience that clearly want to be governed by at least those that part of the tale that has always been right. tween good. now things that georgia maloney is the
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more credible either at all or if we, let's look a little from that. okay, let's, let's, well, let me bring in an order because my, if you look at mario dragging past, he has been a supporter of ukraine for example. he played a key role in the g 7 as well as nato and the e u. so if there were to be alert to the rights and italy, then would these policies change drastically? well, let me just add some think. i think that, you know, the reason why a judge, i mean long has been as reached, such as level of support is because of sort of this content that i started with coffee but was based also new put on the crisis and migration privacy that he has been leading to this, you have to lot, you know, the effect of the korean war and rising prices of energy and food. and of course the effect of uniforms dragging was doing. we're not still somehow understandable by everyday citizens in the sense that the effect will takes it why, you know, for,
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for normal people to see as far as you know, the for an for an agenda is concerned. i believe that if you know you're going to have it right when government, i don't think either you don't see the lead changing completely is position to, was russia. i think george, i mean, only was the pretty clear in condemning putin and, and also, you know, 70 the leader of the league even though it was one of them, mostly pro ration leader in italy. yes. changed from how is you so i don't see either li, becoming pro ration. now, what i see is a change in the positioning of equally within the you in the sense that those park has been for years, you know, consider it a skeptic. and although their positions had been somehow watered during the crisis in the sense that they dont declare so much to be so much on, you know, peon. they seemed relieved in a sort of european union composed by nation states. so, you know, each country should, you know, look at the national interest instead of looking for a common interest. and these,
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you know, could place easily in a sort of group of countries complaining about sanctions for reasons which are, which i think, you know, economically better economic impact on national economy. this, i believe it's possible, but i don't see italy leading such a clinician. i see the lead become part of any group. if this will be, that big group is going to be formed somehow. right mikaela. what does this caretaker resignation mean now for the governor? the ability to take on initiatives. for example, as you know, italy is the biggest recipients of the use covered recovery funds. but seeing as that money is tied to certain reforms that italy must take, do you think that italians might lose out on the next installment? no, i don't think so. the current government can carry on with the normal process . i don't think the money is at risk. of course there will be a new government and the government will decide the what to do with these
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a recovery fund. i tell you my view is very maybe different from what you may have heard the money that we get from the european union. first of all, it is the money that ultimately comes from the financial mark did. you can, you know, raises funds in the market and then part of the money back to the member space. so the ultimate masters are the financial markets like it happens normally the european union, these kind of an intermediary kind of plays the role of almost an investment banker on the writing, the and the all recovery fund the my view has been banned in the wrong weight. we 1st easily chase to borrow as much money as possible. 200000000000, almost 191. and now italy has been looking at ways to invested that money. and let me tell you as a professor of finance, this is exactly the thing that my students,
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if they do that they will fail. they called all fine. and so $1.00 to $1.00 in the 1st year. you do the other way around, you 1st to least the projects you rank them according to the highest the return or you see how much money you need. you cut alignment to the projects a day to do not to go over a certain hard though, right? right, look at the, how much money you need and then you go and borrow it. so this recovery plan that actually needs to be re looked at the 2 because it's very inefficient. it say that that which is certain and returns that are very uncertain. and even draggy with his own signature admitted that these has a fiscal multiply or 0.9. so basically borrow, do round numbers 200, but we get the sake of time, let me jump in there because i suppose the question that i have now for a giovanni and then i'll come over to eleanora, is that, do you think that the, the giovanni 1st to you is this all a big blow to, to the government's ability to continue to deliver policies and reforms in the near
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term at least well in the near term, of course, the government now is a care tech or government that is better to do. what is going to, what is called the ordinary administration, so certain be in the month of august and september, why there is still the drug use government. we can not expect very, very, the reforms. i mean, part of the next generation you will boast will be, is ruled by you to magic mechanisms. so that part with just or along the yard, the reforms that are on the way man might to be completed the, the parties are agree. but certainly in the let that thing the next 2 or 3 months, i would not expect any any reform because there is no the not the political possibility to an act entity. farm. ok, let me bring in eleanor a final words to you. what do you expect to happen in the next few months and you
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give us a sense of what it's like in verona? are people paying attention to yet another government's collapse? well, he said, dr. citizens, actually there is an, i dunno, double feeling on the one hand. they're the ones that really, truly believe in drawing. and it was back to 50 percent of the diamonds, who really believed that he could change in on the face of the country. but did not like, you know, a big partition government for many reasons. you know, because many of the sustain of dragging came from the left wing or the writing. so of course, it was difficult to bank to see how this government with different parties go very in the country. on the other however, you have odyssey designs that do not understand, you know, political landscape and again, did not seem to benefit. you likely all eat the least common water line where you know, the western or atlantic powers lack that bends. just, you know, raising prices. so coins and you know, a high here, you know,
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foot prices and for that, you know, they're not touch, you know, by disciplining, because crisis actually. and i think those are also the ones that are going to vote, you know, who grants to people in the sense that mix content or you know, this content about, you know, the potential issue resolved in a protest vote basically. ok, but the only body than what's outside is what he she will have to leave it there on that. oh, thank you so much for joining us. i. michaela gerace and an order polio, giovanni, or c, and we thank you so much. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story to run the conversation on twitter or as well, or handle as a j inside story from myself. a whole team here. and uh huh. thanks for watching. bye bye for now. ah
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