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he was brought in to unite italy, but my minister, my a druggie has resigned triggering snap elections. what's behind on the latest political drama, and who's fans the game the most from the turmoil, this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting abigail. mario draggy was known as super mario. the former european central bank chief was appointed as italy's prime minister, 18 months ago, to lead a unity government, and steer the country out of the pandemic. although he was popular among the public drug, he didn't enjoy the same level of support within the fractured coalition. his resignation forced the president to dissolve parliament and call a snap election in september. if the latest political upset in the euro zones 3rd

largest economy, adam rainy reports from rome. italy's president sandra method, ella, announcing a 70 day timeline for early elections. clearly a decision he did not want to take. no, shirley went on to ship out of that bottle amend. so the early his own of parliament is always a last resort. particularly if the government, as it is the case in this period to order the parliament has many important tasks to complain almost in the interests of our countrymen. but the developments in the political situation have led to this decision. his announcement came hours after mario that aggie stepped down on thursday. the prime minister made his last statement in parliament before tendering his resignation. jay bill, thank you. busy goodbye kitchen and even central bank is hot, so touch some times. my thank you for this. and thanks for all the work we had done together during this time. hello draggy, let a government for less than 18 months. many leaders across europe, song as

a steady hand to pull italy in may be even the whole continent out of the pandemic . he helped steer billions of dollars of recovery funds to italy, the largest recipient and the euro zone, and was a leading voice. and europe support of ukraine against russia. but in the end, this central banker couldn't wrangle the diverse group of parties in his coalition, each with its own priorities. he couldn't jame that oculus because oculus of august are moved lives splintered. ers civil war, he couldn't jane. the other populace, the gallagher on the, on the right way. and because there's plenty, so there's a rate chaos right now underway while some are lamenting the government's collapse . one party is thrilled the far right wing. brothers of italy currently leading in the polls looks likely to win more seats than any other skeptical of brussels and e u policies. it's not clear, it will be able to manage relationships with other

e u leaders as well as froggy, and some worry, a could even put further e recovery fund payouts at risk adarine. i'll g 0 roam. so it really is no stranger to political turmoil. it's had $69.00 governments since world war 2, that's almost a new administration every year. the brothers of italy currently leads opinion polls with nearly 24 percent. the leader of georgia maloney could head up a right wing governments with the league party and former prime minister silvio berlusconi. for italy, this central left democratic party, the only other group holding above 20 percent. it could form a coalition with the populace fivestar movement on smaller parties, but some members have ruled out being in alliance with 5 star. ah, let's not bringing our guest. joining us from rome is mikella gerace, who's a former under secretary, at least economic development ministry from verona,

illinois upon the head of economic analysis at the center for european policy, and also from rome, giovanni, or seen the director of the school of government, the professor of contemporary history and we squeezed o'corrley university. welcome to you all. thank you so much for your time with us on the inside story. mckelly jace over to you for us. so druggie is credited by some with really restoring italy's credibility on the world stage. but his critics would say he was a technocrat and he couldn't play the part of a politician, especially when it came to dealing with parliament. what do you think went wrong and what went wrong? was this a current government or was formed during the call the, the crisis where pretty much are the interest of the whole can true of all political parties where aligned. and so we formed, it is government of national unity. now after the call it crisis, there was no way likely overcome then the differences between the parties to

started to emerge because a collision with 6 or 7 parties, many of them kept on splitting to form a smaller part. of course it was becoming unsustainable. and this was the primacy. so for the difficult then relationship between dragon, there was placed there by the president matter a lot to, to lead the parliament. and now the 2nd stage of the parliament actually wanting to lead to the government then. so the conflict was created, right, giovanni, or see, you know, was there any joints for a drug here except resignation? eventually there was no other choice because it was very clear that the majority could fall apart. one could argue that when the, the problem started setting in which is the last week or the 3rd, the no, no vote of confidence, which was, it was not really a book, no confidence. it was gonna be that's actually by the time movement. i think he

could play the softer and if he had played salter, if he had some more choices to remain as prime minister. but he's also clear that he had understood that any ways government would be weekend and we were now to buy the situation. and he was also, i think, personally quite tired about all that. so he was always thorn. and between his 1st breath friends which seemed to be away and the national interest of course, which was pulling him in if he needs position. so when he started the resigning last week, and then it will be speech the day before yesterday, wednesday at this. and that's, i mean, e mail way, huston the pays or at least he made the task easier for those who wanted to treat him. right. and just, i'll stay with you for just a moment because i wonder if you can explain what you mean by. he could have played that softer because there was a run in giovanni with the 5 star movement and not ultimately triggered the entire

crisis. then according to reports, the leaders of both the northern league and afford to italia issued a statement giving that argue their support. however, that support came with conditions. so he was in a really tough position, was enough that was at the end of the crisis. but you know that you get to this position that you are describing. there was a path in a way that led the country there. for instance, when the last week the 5 star didn't bode the coffee dance, they also said they wanted to gone supporting the government. so there was no need for that. i need to resign. you could have only opened up negotiation in order to build up the majority. that was the softer option, but you wanted to resign. of course, either resignation was refused by the presence of the public, but don't the last resigning dramatize the crisis unless they rather

speech or if the legal and the bid was going for say, an old thing that you will basically, you know, way making it more difficult for them to staying the majority and then online they any 2nd intervention in the fact that he was very stop on the 5 star movement. and also in the case with the softer intervention, you might try to win back the 5 star. so there were moments in the very tactical game in which equal that left the door a bit more opened and it remained a very, very strict for reasons about understandable. of course, he wanted to make it very clear for the political parties that they add, that they wanted to own, supporting him. they had to do what you wanted. so what the deal is understandable nonetheless that these part of the let's say, the development of the crisis. ok, i don't know a resignation now accepted by the president. where are we in terms of the process

of how it lead now head to another election. yes, we are going to have another election by september 25 and dragon will remain hour to do like rent work until the date of the election as far as the election is concerned. i believe that that is in huge chance that the condition of the right wing part is mike lee. the collision will be probably lead by and the brothers of the police, which has gain an exception not support during the last years. let's you do that. yes, pass from the park is passed from 4 percent to $1019.00 to most almost 22 percent today. and this was also related to the fact that the party was at the position of the government. and then you know, the artifact is as when formed equity should be the league which has been losing power and authentic tonya led by appointment prime minister berlusconi. right. so

we will see what's going to happen, but is likely that right, we, wendy, she might take the power. i do want to talk about the right wing parties in a moment. i don't order, but just one more for you. i mean, just on, on the process right now and what happens next, how long do you think it's going to actually take to form a new government? it depends in the sense that it depends on how much the right wing coalition by might win. or of course, and then you know, its capacity to form a coherent government so you can takes weeks or month, i think, ok, these of course is why 3 is key in terms of credibility to lead is really got the moment i think a connection, a level for you know, what, the reasons that we know ok. mikaela at the so obviously a period of instability ahead which parties do you think are going to take credit for what's developed over the past few days and who do you think benefits from all of us? i don't think the parties are like fighting to get credit for this because on one

hand for 34 parties in a way where the agent of draggy full out on the other hand did they also support the team if he had made some concessions like giovanni was mentioning before, so there is no really political capital to be gained by claiming to be the agent of drag these collapse just because of the reputation. so all parties are shying away from claiming the victory and concentrating already on the come bang. you ask me who will win that i agree able then i will most likely be the center right coalition that could actually take the a vast majority of the parliament to because the state go to gay that they together cross the 40 percent with price show that they gain a little bit of an extra premium. so the number of members of the parliament could

be higher than the proportion of votes that they received. but also because the left wing in a way these united, it used to be that the democratic party could go ahead with the 5 star move mentor . now this is not likely to be so we have, you know, a breakdown of coalition on the left side and favor the right wing government. and that's why i think out of describe it. they are the ones who will gain the most benefit. but me kill. how do you explain the rise of the far right in italy? because from what i understand the brothers of italy, but that's the furthest party to the right just for our viewers. vague they went from about 4 percent of the vote in 2018 in the general election. so now becoming the biggest party and opinion polls, at least, how do you explain this rise? in the main reason is a when a you have

a crisis. so we had the army crisis covered crisis of the war and the sanctions there with her to the italian economy, the gas for everything. the only thing you need to do to gain voter is to stay in the position. so in a way, georgia moloney air was a lie care may me smart to not to be part of the drag or government or in 202116 months ago. and of course so she raped the benefit to over collecting the anger. that's in the meantime, developed in italy. you mentioned before, the reputation of draggy in the international arena, which is true because of course sir, he's a man that has led the day you're going to send for bank and so on. back to within italy, m. we have this content to growing only 2 weeks ago we had the massive taxi drivers. crowd tested, a pretty much block to the whole center aroma, with tori stir in our getting into cale,

sir. we have the people who complain still about the way that the government to del to we the lockdown. they call the crisis center for georgia moloney almost the respective all her views are, are irrespective of the convent just being in your position almost gives you 5 to 10 percent point to just for not being in the government or giovanni. is that how you see things? i mean this, this, this leader of the right wing party, the brother is of it's in the maloney a. she's her party is accused of attracting the support of neo fascist. she holds nationalist views on migration social as well as cultural issues. does she appeal to the italian voters, giovanni? i think, i mean, you can, i was right sir, but i would qualify some of the things that you were saying in italy, either right in country and the con, the right thing is and majority of natalie has always been and already in the

election of 2018, it was very near me for the center, right? collision of the absolute majority. so we should start from that. these are both that are moving inside the right. they're moving from the li, good to from 40 to the lead to brother vitaly. so basically these are writing boats that they're always stayed inside, right. moving from one party to the other now or regionally day, where in better was going to sort of say, god yeah, but there was no 85. so this is a story that he's coming to, it's closer. and so many votes were actually going out from between 20182019 many of those both went to the league and in the moments i'll be any, was the leader was actually looking life the person in charge to the right. but so many made the number of quite serious political mistakes and seems 2019 that

those little stock of moving from being to judge. i mean these are the same both. so we shall be adding 20182019 even better yet earlier than that, there are new to need tell you, but this is a very tiny minority. and when you're speaking of a center, right, and that is credited by the total polls of 4547 percent, actually a fascist, maybe are 2 percent of that role. these is not, you know, fashion, both the ga milanni is not on the fact that he's a national conservative party, right. we certainly clear the right to the bar, the national conservative the inside of the boundaries of a liberal democracy in these moments he clearly wants to be governed by at least those that are to be tele. that has always been right. tween good. now things that georgia maloney is more credible either at all or if we,

let's look a little that. okay, let's, let's, well, let me bring in an order because my, if you look at mario draggy past, he has been a supporter of ukraine. for example. he played a key role in the g 7 as well as nato and the e u. so if there were to be alert to the rights and italy, then would these policies change drastically? well, let me just add some think. i think that, you know, the reason why a judge i mean on, has been as reach such as level of support is because of sort of this content that i started with coffee but was base also new put on the crisis and migration privacy that he has be leading to this, you have to lot, you know, the effect of the korean war and rising prices of energy and food. and of course, the effect of uniforms dragging was doing or not still, i'm somehow understandable by everyday citizens in the sense that the effect will takes with why, you know, for, for normal people to see. as far as you know,

the for an for an agenda is concerned. i believe that if you know, we're going to have it right when government, i don't think easily. i don't see the lead changing completely is position to, was russia. i think george, i mean only was it pretty clear in condemning putin and, and also, you know, 70 the leader of the league even though it was one of them mostly pro ration leader in italy. yes. changed from how is you so i don't see either leave the common pro ration now. what i see is a change in the positioning of equally within the you in the sense that those part has been for years, you know, consider it yet. a skeptic and older positions had been somehow watered during the crisis in the sense that they dont declare. so much to be so much and you know, peon, they seemed relieved in a sort of european union composed by nation state. so, you know, each country should, you know, look at the national interest instead of looking for a common interest. and these,

you know, could place easily in a sort of group of countries complaining about sanctions, for instance, which are, which i think, you know, economically better economic impact on national economy. this, i believe it's possible, but i don't see italy leading such a clinician. i see easily become part of any group. if this will be, that big group is going to be formed somehow. right mikaela. what does this caretaker resignation mean now for the governor? the ability to take on initiatives, for example, as you know at lee is the biggest recipients of the use covered recovery funds. but seeing as that money is tied to certain reforms that italy must take, do you think that italians might lose out on the next installment? no, i don't think so. the current government can carry on with the normal process . i don't think the money is at risk, of course there will be a new government and no government will decide what to do with these

a recovery fund. i tell you my view a very may be different from what you may have heard. the money that we get from the european union. first of all, it is the money that ultimately comes from the financial mark that you are can, you know, raises funds in the market, and then pass this part of the money back to the member states. so the ultimate investors are the financial markets like it happens normally the european union, these kind of an intermediary kind of plays the role of almost an investment banker, underwriting the and that all recovery fund, the my view has been banned in the wrong weight. we 1st easily chase to borrow as much money as possible. 200000000000, almost 191. and now italy has been looking at ways to invest that money. and let me tell you as a professor of finance, this is exactly the thing that my students,

if they do that they will fail. economy finance. so $1.00 to $1.00 in the 1st year . you do the other way around, you 1st, it least the projects you rank them according to the highest the return or you see how much money you need. you cut alignment to the projects a bit to do not to go over a certain hard though, right? right, look at the how much money you need and then you go and borrow to. so this recovery plan that actually needs to be re, look the data because it's very inefficient. it's a debt which is certain and returns that are very uncertain. and even draggy with his own signature admitted that these has a fiscal multiply or 0.9. so basically borrow, do wrong numbers $200.00. and we get the sake of time, let me jump in there because i suppose the question that i have now for a giovanni and then i'll come over to eleanora. is that, do you think that the, the giovanni 1st to you? is this all a big blow to, to the government's ability to continue to deliver policies and reforms in the near

term at least well in the near term, of course, the government now is a kind of government that is better to do. what is going to, what is called the ordinary administration? so certain b, as in the month of august and september, while there is still the drug government, we cannot expect very, very, the reforms. i mean, part of the next generation your most will be is ruled by a magic mechanism. so that power will just throw along the reforms that are on the way man might to be completed the, the parties are agree. but certainly in the let that saying the next 2 or 3 months, i would not expect any any reform because there is no the not the political possibility to an act entity form. ok. let me bring in eleanor a final words to you. what do you expect to happen in the, in the next few months,

and you give us a sense of what it's like in verona? are people paying attention to yet another government's collapse? well, he said, dr. citizens, actually there is a double feeling on the one hand, they're the ones that really, truly believe in drawing. and it goes back to 50 percent of the dive. hence who really believed that he could change in on the face of the country. but did not like, you know, a big partition government for many reasons, you know, because many of the sustain of dragging came from the left wing or the writing. so of course, it was difficult to bank to see how this government with different parties, they're in the country. on the other however, you have odyssey designs that do not understand, you know, political landscape and again did not seem to benefit basically all equally common . what align with, you know, the western or atlantic powers like that bends just, you know, raising prices. so coins and you know, high here, you know,

foot prices. and for that, you know, they're not touched by discipline because cries is actually, and i think those are also the ones that are going to vote, you know, who brought us to be built in the sense that mix content or you know, on this content about you know the potential issue resolved in a protest vote basically. ok, but the only body than what's outside is what he she will have to leave it there on that. oh, thank you so much for joining us. i, michaela gerace and an order polio, giovanni r. c. and we thank you so much. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story to run the conversation on twitter or as well, or handle as a j inside story from myself. the whole team here. and uh huh. thanks for watching, bye bye for now. and

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