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executed for pro democracy prisoners. it's military john to has brushed away criticism. can international pressure stop such killings? what are the chances of me and mar returning to democracy? this is inside store. ah. hello, welcome to the program and burnett's the execution of for prominent pro democracy activist in may and mar, a spark anger in the country and abroad. the military john to which took power in a qu last year had accused the man of conspiring to commit acts of terror. the activists, including several high profile opposition figures were tried in secret military courts. news of the executions triggered condemnation from the united states. the
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european union, britain, australia, and the united nations, as well as a rare rebuke from the association of southeast asian nations. and hundreds of people protested outside me and mars embassy in bangkok will bring in our guest shortly. first, this update from tony chang in bangkok, reaction to the execution of 4 political prisoners inside man my by the military joint. her has been shock and horror. hundreds of people took to the streets of bangkok to protest outside. mamma's embassy. there have been statements of condemnation from the un secretary general, the us secretary of state and politicians all across the you. a little this condemnation here in the region, se asia, while the militias, foreign minister did say this was a crime against humanity. but to a certain extent, azia and the association southeast asian nations has tried to engage the mere mom, military child curb their excesses. they say this was be seen very much as
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a slap in the face and a rear comment from me on mars military on the executions at a press conference in answer to a question from local media. they said they had nothing personal against these men, and they had been given every opportunity to prove their innocence. that said their charles took place in the military court in secret process, many people deemed to be very unfair. and that feeling of unhappiness is also being seen and the streets of miramar. flash mobs take into the streets of yang, gone unmanned alone, many of the main cities demonstrating their anger and calling for revenge. and that is the big concern, that with this conflict getting worse and worse since the military coup and 2021. as both sides become more entrenched, the conflict will just get worse. tony chang for inside story. malaysia's foreign minister spoke out against me and my executions at
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a press conference in kuala lumper takes place about less than 2 weeks of the special invoice, visit the nephew door. and just about a week before the us and 40 minutes just meeting infinite. so we look at it that as if the who is making a mockery of the 5 point consensus. and i think we really have to look at this very, very seriously man, man, should not be invited to send political representation to our ministry would meetings. this is to this is to, to show that we are very serious on the issue of political representation. the justice spokes person says the executions were legal, argued with a young man. and we knew that there may be criticism and objections when the death
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penalty were 100 down and conducted in accordance with domestic law. however, we did it for reasons of domestic stability for the rule of law and order and for security. not personal, like position groups have 70, it was don't legally. these criminals were given the chance to defend themselves in the verdict. some of the trials were based on eye witnesses and facts. if we compare their sentences with other the penalty cases, they have committed the crimes for which they should have been given many death sentences. memoirs, military seized power from the civilian government in february last year. since then has been accused of wide spread human rights violations. view and rapport term . tom andrews has accused its army of deliberately targeting children with nearly 400 killed or injured since the coo amnesty international says last year saw a worrying rise in death sentences with nearly 90 people. put on death, row view, and human rights commission. says security forces have shown a blatant disregard for life, while the army denies the accusations and at least
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a quarter of a 1000000 people have been displaced since the military took power last year. ah. let's bring in our guests minka nie house is a freelance journalist and author. she knew 2 of the activists who were executed co, jimmy and say a tor, and she is covered their journey extensively in geneva. we have way near a campaigns officer at burma campaign, u. k. and daughter of maya i, one of the $88.00 generation student leaders and in skag and denmark, we have helen. maria cared a senior research of focusing on justice and security in me and mar, at the danish institute for international studies. a warm welcome to all a very difficult subject for us to day or 1st of all, minka. are you surprised that the army went ahead with these executions?
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well, i was very concerned that day's time. they would be fairly serious about it, even though that sentences haven't been carried out for the last 2 years. but there were already before the execution, there were mars and there was to use circulate to deliver need that it was going to happen to have happened already that seem to be like a sort of testing the waters will work to reaction will be. and then i came especially concerned when i heard that the family, some of the family members had a chance, even though it was why meeting to have surveys with the prisoners. because that is some indication doesn't execution is, is about to be implemented to be carried out. ok, when did you surprise that this has happened? is executions were carried out. well,
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it's very hot breaking. we kept thinking they wouldn't do it because it's and know in the military interest to carry out the execution off to a decade or not, having done so. but if this is a sign that the military is very desperate, because even over a year or the attempt, because i'm say attempted to because they haven't been able to consolidate color, they haven't been able to control the general population who's been standing up against the military cruise a bit just defined of desperation and they kind to use fear factor to stop revolution on the ground and but in reality is has the opposite effect of murray. i see you nodding away. there is, is this a sign of desperation from the military? i very much agree, i think from the respect of the unit itself, it's part of instilling increasing fear and terror in the population warning the resistance fighters that they will go as far as you know,
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they can to stop the resistance and they don't bend to any international pressure, but i'm very, very in agreement that it is a sign of weakness both on the battlefield in terms of territorial control, but also in terms of not really being able to run the state apparatus. the economy is in ruins. and what we've been researching over the past year or so is also how soldiers within the ranks of the military south are increasingly demoralized. there is a growing fatigue. we see a gradual increase of defect this over this past year as well. so even within its own ranks, there are weaknesses and a sense of care. i mean, could you, you've 30 years covering me and mod you agree with that? do you see this is a sense of, of weakness for the 1st time the execution in 30 years. yeah. i certainly, i think then the military seized power on the 1st of february,
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2021. they expected that they would get back control pretty easily by using brutal force as they have done for decades. and the complete opposite is what we are seeing now. after months of peaceful protests and very brutal violence by security forces, it hasn't or so there are still daily flesh sco cash. large amounts of people are still on strike. and there are military groups operating in various 5 of the country as well as the several ethnic groups who has been fighting for more autonomy and equal rights in what they hope to be a federal state. so the military really is finding itself in until at your office here and has to fight on so many phones all the day. and i think that that is also
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where there is an element of anger and revenge on those for people who have been execute said that it wasn't only meant to terrorize the population, but it was also an expression or revenge as far as i see it, i mean, could you knew they at all and code jimmy and left families? can you just tell me a little bit about them? yeah, i wish we had the whole program to talk about them. of course there's so much to say both of them are very highly respected, active face. and so let's let me started called jimmy who came to fame in 1988 protests against the machine. he is a member of the a t h generation. and he was very soon after this process of having a reference and he spent between his 1st divest and other release in 2012 almost 20 years in jail. but every single time that he came out of jail,
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he sho get commitments. he was still advocating them across c, one large and free country. and he also was known for doing a lot of social activities to address the ills into society. so you can often be seen, for example, when, when they're or crisis or it's in the need to place people, people to do money, cherry and work. they're also very high. but he and an appeal at all is about 10 years younger than the 53 year old called jimmy. he came to fame as bringing out releasing the 1st album, which really galvanized a generation that was the price of freedom and hunger for for a better life. and a nurse for 15. and then he decided that most of the not 40 pick and he what he
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established and on the ground use movement, old generation, people who present them. and up on the 25th, 2011, he joined the party of functions. switching, alright, and i should also mention flom you on and on tours or the other 2 men who executed as well. and wine in we heard mention that from ink of the flash mobs have been in that been takes incredible bait bravery to do that. but is there any way really, to hold me and mars military accountable for all of this? well, yes, fs of all you know is that we have been telling the international community to refer them to the international criminal court. and even countries who are supposedly interested in human rights, like the u. k. in the us, they are very hesitant to do so. and we have a case going on a forward ro hinge a genocide at the i. c, j and countries like the britain can joined that it's
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a part of the accountability process for the military. because we believe, after all, the international community helped create the cycle of impunity felt by the burmese military because it's been decades they've been getting away with human rights violations, genocide against their hinges. and if they get away with this state execution, the worry is that they will continue execute 90 august political prisoners on death row. and we don't want that because all of these people, they were wrongfully accused, and they were tried without proper judicial process, and they shouldn't be in jail let alone on bedroom. alan murray, in terms of holding the military accountable as the am, has been totally an effective. it hasn't it's, it's really not a strategy of attempting to engage the military has not worked at all 100 well, i mean its own chair and the conversion. and then he actually told the command
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chief me on line not to carry through the 6 q sions. and we've seen a statement coming out today of disappointment. i think it's, it's, it's a clear sign that the 5 point statement that was, or consensus that was agreed upon in april last year that was mentioned earlier, has simply not been followed by the military. doing so. i mean, this idea that they would us and would bring together the different parties, including on some switches who is now behind bars, has simply not worked. i mean, and people on the ground in me and my have consistently said that every time in comes and visits mit it's, it's just legitimize us. the units are, it's part of what they fear, a form of normalization, of the situation of the military going to empower and it plans to hold elections in 2023 and this could be part of that normalization. so it's really, really important that the intentional community steps are broaden. it gave the mandate to us in the you and you and others to do this. but at the moment it's,
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it's just not enough. and also in the un security council, what's happening now is that china and russia are protecting the minute surgeon. so if not direct, isn't it these indirectly. so there is a need to find another course internationally to actually show action rather than just words, whining back to you or not. i mean the cambodian prime minister on son he's been, he would have been humiliated really. hasn't he? because he was the one he had resisted condemnation of burn while maybe singapore, the philippines, malaysia and indonesia have been outspoken. he resisted, tried to persuade the johnson not to cut out the executions, and they've just ignored it. yes, and i hope you know, usually ascii and use the policy of non interference. but i heard this is a lesson for the aussie and that the military is not something you want to engage
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in. because since the started, the military has shown over and over again that they don't really care about any international law international agreement, they continue killing and arresting people on the ground. and of course these for executions are the one that we know all and is well known execution. but there are so many unvil who killing happening in integration from press retention center. so these things are happening every day and what kind of military would be interested in engagement while they continue committing human rights violation? so i hope this is the lesson for asi and it's time for proper and effective action rather than going along with the military and hoping to engage and make them respect about human rights because it will never happen. but i think from your experience in may and ma, do you see anything that i see and could do that would make the military change its plan would make the military return to democracy?
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well, i think i'll feel it. you still have this policy of considering the situations in countries internal affairs for at the same time, there is some leverage here. if i can, can ask the political will because it was really a very important spec for me on march will become a member of and, and i am not happy to have a black sheep in its middle, and every single international gathering. surely they will be caught up on what they're going to do, said the situation in your mar. so it all has to do with political will at the same time. they can also do a lot more to engage with the various groups that now for the opposition. and for example, the government of national unity, the testing established by among others elected members of parliament who have been
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dismissed by the military. so there are definitely more venues to be explored and what has to be done so far. and i think the military regime has been your where also, national community is busy, but the situation in the crane and all our own russia as well. and they are trying to get to see how far they get away with this. incredible. ok. ex allen maria. tell us help us understand a little bit about the people's defense forces. now, how effective are they and how effective could they be if it's a hard question to answer, but we know that there is around 400 the people's defense force is that more it's very important to recognize here. as was mentioned briefly earlier, is that in the past before the qu, the main battles or resistance against the military was in the s, the border areas. but we also see very,
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very strong people's defense forces in burmese berg bama majority areas in psychiatric way. and other regions, and this makes a huge difference from previous the indian mosse history of, of conflict. and this could make sure difference from before, because the military has to fight on so many fonts. and that's also why what i said earlier is that it's combat units are now getting tired out. they don't get any rest. they are losing the belief in what they're actually fighting for because we're talking about a broad sector of the population resisting the military amongst the majority population where most of the soldiers are from him. so i think that by fighting on all these funds at the same time and including in alliances with an ethnic com documentations that have been fighting the military that has experience, finding the military for the case, it could make a huge difference. and we already seen it in these sections that are happening from
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the military that we've been looking at. and wayne in this, these people's defense forces came out of the peaceful protesters that ever opted that started after the coo last year. they claim to control more than 50 percent of me and miles territory. that is not a realistic calculation. well, we fear that people to florence forces are growing in burn that because even like, you know, they came out of the peaceful protest because they felt that was the only way to defend themselves and also attacked the military on the ground. and of course, the military has much more advanced technology, and when it comes to weapons, they have much more advanced weapons as well. so what we've seen is that on the ground, people to fans, force it and the military can, you know, the military is losing, but on the s 5 projects as front then boomer 3 is using pied
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to just to bomb civilians and ethnic areas. and that's why you know, part of or human rights activists are calling for functions on a v, a she fuel. because if we stop applying the a, b, a should be able to burma them, they won't be able to slide these 5 projects to bomb people in ethnic area as well as people who are operating people defense forces in on the ground. main could you see too much store puts in the strength of the people's defense force is, are they really any match for the chinese supply supplied me and mar army? well, this is not only about military strength as such. it's the fact that there are groups in various parts of the countries, including very close or even in urban areas that gave the military regime a sense of security and fear. and that is quite unprecedented in,
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in recent history. so then you speak to a pdf, they will tell you that more in that case. ready and specs, they don't allow all in all, it is quite high. and that is certainly also a factor that needs to be taken into account. when we often hear this call for the pdf people's events forces their short of weapons showed an outside organisation or country be arming the pedia. well, this is not. i mean a lot of people on the ground, especially pdf, are asking for. but also they are asking for a humanitarians help as well because most of them don't have any funding for food and other essential with loan. so as of course, the burner is not only facing a human rights problem bill, but we are also facing a huge humanitarian across this in the country. so i think in the national
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community and outside organization should be healthy people in the country including you know, countries like asi and they can allow the cross border aid from tie them aboard so that people in the can live and they have food and other sanctions to essentially to operate, i think is very important to get support from the international community. hello maria, just very quickly from you. how do you see inside me and my the what the best way to combat the jump to that the best ways by far to unite the forces against the military doing. i mean we have seen forms of unification. we haven't seen historically before in the mob, but there are also challenges. there are also differences amongst those resisting the military gym to so if people can stand together and the ethnic organizations can join hands with the people's defense forces and also the political entities
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from the ethnic minorities and the national unity government. i think that is definitely the best way forward seen from inside me and mine of course is, should be supported by us from the outside as well. all right, thank you very much. we are unfortunately out of time. but thanks to our guests to minka niehaus, to wayne in and hello, maria, tired and thank you too for watching. you can see the problem again. anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for more debate, go to our facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are actually a j inside store for me. bernard smith in ty team here in doha by the the u. s. is always of interest to people all around the world. this has been going
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