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buddy, because it's an open auction, so could be a university, perhaps a research institute, most likely it will be a wealthy private buyer who could then loan it to a museum or keep it in their private collection. and for many paleontologist, the uncertainty of who might buy this rare artifact. as many researchers worried, there are not very many specimens of gorgeous stores. all the others are in museums . and one more being sold you might say, oh, well, it's only one. but if there's only a few, right, that's a lot of information that we lose and you say, well why are you losing it? well, for one, you have no guarantee that whoever buys it is going to allow access to scientists. even at sotheby's, there are numerous other dinosaur artifacts that are approx in like this tri sarah top skull that could garner as much as $300000.00. but it's the gore. goods are a skeleton that is the one everyone is talking about. and all paleontologist can do
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is watch and hope whoever buys it, makes it available to research. knowing that if they don't, this could be the last chance. anybody has to ever see it in public. gabriel is aniko l gc to new york. ah, this is our era, these other top storage, hundreds of people stormed iraq's parliament on wednesday to protest against the nomination of a new prime minister. their supporters of the influential shia cleric, farther under why he has more from baghdad. both raven factions, namely that looked to the southern and his supporters and his son, the allies on the one hand. and they iranian back to parties, the coordination framework and the kurdish allies and other independent lawmakers. on the other hand, they this conflict between them seems to be going go on air. the situation
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could get worse if, if at both sides did don art reach consensus on reaching on for forming a consensus. government. as you know that both sides have military factions on the ground. there been reports of multiple missile strikes and ukrainian capital key of sirens have been heard across the city and air defenses of leave to have been activated. u. s. media reporting the by the administration is offered russia a prisoner swap to secure the release of basketball player. brittany greiner and a former us marine russian army. do that. victor boots will be free. there's part of the deal more than $300.00 people are now known to have died in floods in several provinces across pakistan since june. many more have been injured in the extreme weather event, which is triggered by monsoon rains. ascii teams have been deployed to assist hundreds of people in the affected areas. rushers, foreign minister, sokolov rove,
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has been in ethiopia for the 2nd leg of his toward the african continent. he's trying to reassure nations hit hard by the global shortage of grain. billions of people across africa don't have enough food because of sawing prices. the u. s. federal reserve is increasing its key interest rate by 3 quarters of a point to 2.5 percent increases part of aggressive drive to control soaring inflation. those are the headlines and ease continues. herron al jazeera, off the inside story to stay with us for a weekly look at the world to talk business stories from global markets to economies and small businesses to understand how it affects our daily lives. with counting the cost on al jazeera, it's seen as the final frontier of global corporation after the cold war. but
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russia has decided to pull out of the international space station. is it even possible and what will be the impact on future space, exploration, and research? this is inside store. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm burnett's, the international space station has been a symbol of co operation between cold war and space rivals for more than 20 years. american astronauts and russian cosmonaut collaborated despite the challenges of the nations relationship here on earth. but even the i assess could not escape the tensions created by the war in ukraine. russia says it will withdraw from the program after 2024 and launch its own similar space station. nasa colby
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announcement a surprise. but it's unclear how moscow can untangle itself from the project. it also involves astronauts from canada, europe and japan. working closely together, we'll bring in our guests in a moment. first, this report by fenton mana, the future of this beacon of international cooperation may be in doubt when the war and ukraine prompted the west to sever nearly all ties with russia, the international space station with one of the few exceptions. 3 to one. now, after more than 20 years of partnership, russia says it's pulling out. not only dancer, of course, we will fulfill all our obligations to our partners on the decision to leave after 2024 has been taken. i think that by that time we will begin to follow russian orbital station and left off to many this move with a surprise or wealth. nasa and the russian space agency had only just signed
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a new agreement to the very astronaut to the station. in may, the head of the european space agency said cutting type russia on the i s. s. with technically impossible for both sides are responsible for different technologies on the station, and neither is trained to operate the others without assistance is going to cause problems. the russian sort of side of things is in charge of several key systems on both international playstation. probably one of the most key ones is it's propulsion system. so that's the thing that stops it from it. it's just about in us atmosphere and overtime it's over. it does slowly degrade as it gets closer and occasionally it needs to get this little bit boosted up again. and the russian segment is responsible for doing that. first through the hatch is denise match since the war and ukraine broke out, even like a space hasn't gone untouched by the politics of earth. in april questions were asked about the russian crew choice. a space suit was which matched the colors of the ukrainian flag. well, they denied any hidden messages, but many sort of
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a protest against russia's war. in july, the russian crew made a much clearer political statement when they post for photos, with the flags of hans and the next to russian back break way regions in eastern ukraine. it's unfortunate that the politics on the ground have now reached up into space before the i s s. it was the one common ground that we had where, you know, it was in everyone's interest that it work. and we never, neither side use the. i assess for these kinds of political posturing for events on the ground. the i assess was 1st established back in 1998. research on the stations has led to breakthroughs and battling cancer. all timers and heart disease monitoring natural disasters from space has also helped relief efforts here on earth. but with russia and china now planning to complete their own space stations in the coming years, a period of space cooperation may be giving way to a new era of space competition since marin al jazeera. now this news has gone
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many by surprise because nasa and russia space agency had just struck a deal 2 weeks ago to flight of disaster, not to the i ss cooperation between russia and the u. s. had appeared relatively unharmed by the ukraine war until now. the europe in space agency had already ended its collaboration with russia. the space agency and moscow has stopped launches of its soil spacecraft from a european launch site in french p on ah, let's bring in our guests in moscow. we have pub, old falcon, how're a defense, a military analyst in orlando, florida. amy thompson, a science journalist, and contributor to space dot com and in london, francisco diego electra at the department of physics and astronomy university, college london. welcome to you all. pavel. first of all, for you, is this ukraine related?
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is it political, russia pulling out of the i assess. oh, well, it's clearly a ukraine connected because after the conflict there began, a sanctions were imposed in on russia by the west and some of them the sanctions are against and a part so the euro's costs must been stayed to space corporation. russian has already said of it will continue with the corporation on the space station there. the sanctions will be aware that they have not been with it so, so that means russia's right now kind of saying that, okay, are going to boot to hope project. since it's right now is not bringing russia much, any money any more. and, but this does not actually mean that this is the end of the issue. i should emphasize that. i think there's got, there's, of course, some time left to, i don't know 25. and there's time for some bargaining. so if we're there,
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russia will go on strike. we say there actually are, there are 2 different ways in russia could quit a quid fully. and so the station has to go down into the ocean, pacific ocean, or kind of continue on a commercial basis to cooperate, to some extent, to keep it running till 3rd d or a russia would be the man being psalms, a sanctions rulings ok. a me, it's not yet well as the issue. all right, so amy, as pavel says, there is not over yet. is that from the american side is this viewed as bluster is the hope that it's bluster? yes, so i'm russia said that they were going to pull out after 2024 and there was a report that came out talking to you one of their lead flight directors that was discussing that their version of the space station that way the 1st pieces would launch maybe around 2028th. so from nasa standpoint, nasa has said that they would like to operate the space station until 2030. but it
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is also at the same time preparing some commercial partners to launch sort of mini space stations. i think axiom has one, i'm blue origin has an orbital reef that they're partnering with several other agencies that they want to launch. so this notion of having multiple stations is probably something that's going to be happening around the same time that russia wants to do their own. so i definitely think that there is room for negotiation. all right, we'll, we'll touch on the commercial operators in space a little bit later. for francisco, though, what would it mean? so the ins as to the operation, the practical operation of it. if russia did withdrawal i, it's going to be, i think, very difficult. the you cannot divide the national space station, not easy the russian model. so as we saw in your introduction, he's responsible for the movement of the space station for keeping you pretending
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or bit. and he has the power to go that and that is control for moscow. i understand. so how these things are going to be sorted out is very difficult to imagine. and i hope that's part of it said, i hope that these negotiations are going to take us some kind of more constructive approach. amy, to help us understand practically how the 2 segments of the station a into dependent on each other and rely on the russians and the americans operating them. yes, so as, as stated, the russian type provides propulsion. so it essentially keeps that i assess and or bad. i'm currently there is not a u. s. d heckle that is capable of doing that. but i'm sure that that is something that nasa and its partners are, you know, thinking about, especially after the announcement yesterday. and then the us side provides power. it's got the solar panels. so they, they work together if you can't have one side without the other side who hovel,
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who's holding all the cards. if you say the might be a potential for negotiation, who needs this small, the americans, all the russians, how lower both awkward, both needed need the station. though the russian and surest has waned the bait or of course during the year of, for quite a long time since the shop was stopped to fry. russia had a monopoly to bring her astronauts and cosmos aboard the space station. and so russia was earning a lot of money, a hundreds of millions of dollars a year. i mean the one trip for one person up to $70000000.00. so that was bringing a lot of cash to roast cost must last as bright. now ended of their beef, whites on russian. so use it, ships from americans, but back will not be for money much that will be exchange change for russians flying on american ships. so it stopped to be
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a money cow. the space station for ross cost must and so now this a, oh they're not that much interested in continuing to maintain this aging station. and so they helped me believe that or they have okay, the americans needed more and so russia can waker for that and get something in return for stew, keeping it flying for 5 years up to 30 francisco. there's an operational importance to having integrated crews on board. i read, i understand what are, what are the risks they bought this crew swap agreement where american cruise can fly on the russian rocket. russians can fly in on space x. what if these, what is important of having these integrated crews on the only i assess morally to fighting force and up is the very basic principle of international space station on it. these very saw that this is happening. i would like to see more cooperation and
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i would like to see a space, exploration less competition, more collaboration. this is not the way to go into space. this is not the way we have explored our planet. i look at the state of the planet now as a result of why we have gone in the last few centuries, or you want to go the same in space. i think we have this opportunity, this challenge now to really, really set our mindset. i reset the and then more collaboration on more peaceful collaboration and explore the moon, us humanity, not just a single country or as a single company. i hope we have, we can achieve that. well, aim is francisco syncing leather. the symbolic importance of having integrated cruise as well as well as practical. what are, what are those practical importance is of having them all integrated crews on board? well, it's good to have those, you know, because you have each program has something different that they work on, you know, as far as science and, and other things like that. so they bring that into them by having crews, you know,
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and it's just really like he said, symbolic it's, it's, this is what we want to say. we want to see cooperation because the space station is literally like the crown jewel of humanity. like this is what happens when everyone works together and we are all capable of achieving great things. so we need this cooperation. pabo, we've been suggesting that a lot of this has come down to dollars in the end to cash. could the russians build their own space station as have been hinted up? would they would they want to, could they afford to do it? i will some kind of her station most likely will appear. it will take time again where the station that's being right now planned will be very different from the present or a space station. it will be flying higher on a different orbit, much higher. that means it won't have a permanent crew of the crews will be visiting, so it will be much smaller for,
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for sures, with visiting crews. it's not will be white, the present. whoa. or but space station which is very enormous. 500 tons of met though, and equipment flying there. such a thing will most likely never again appear any time soon in orbit around there's amy, other alternative partners for nasa, for the americans, the europeans may bleed maybe or is it the russians or no one? no, so there's 15 different international partners. i mean russia is one of on. so when they pull out there still 14 other countries including the us that are, you know, that worked together to make the international space station. so nasa would probably lean on on those partners a little bit more on a fresh pulled out. okay, and francisco the specialty, the station is due to retired in 2031. what happens to it then willy will be
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a continual control descent. the will be the orbital in which you will lance, already in the pacific ocean. us, i will be there the whole space telescope it at some point as well. so it will be the all be douglas happened. we running low air 4 bits you are just reveals to speed and then you know, i read a control way. you're still just bring it down. i'm that we must remember also that china is a complete thing there on the space station this year. and that's another component here. i know that a country like was not allowed to join in the international space station they, when they're on weight and they got, they are building their own law in record time, actually they're on space station as well. so i hope, as i said before, that all the scholars were ation caused more drills to get there because some space exploration is very forgiving is very, is there. yeah, the extremely dangerous. you mean international collaboration did with emergencies to deal with a men and non was challenges on
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a will be good to have the expertise from different from different scientific and technological groups working together. i wanted to move on to, to china are actually in an unpublished, could russia realistically move on to cooperate more with china space program? very ambitious, china supposed to be head of russia now technologically in space. ah, well, most likely not ahead, no logically, but actually to clearly ahead in finances. so they are building a swift where they have more money to spend. now logically was like, were russia and china or more was on bar, maybe in the rocket technology? russia is or is not a head bo, it's maybe has a, some kind of headway there. a corporation and space between rush in china. they here has been a lot, talked about it in recent years. it's not really that easy to happen.
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the child has their own space station won't be really compatible with the russian one, but there can be kind of visits of chinese going onto the russian station. the russians going on to the chinese station. i think that's possible that would be symbolic, but i don't think that the 2 countries are going to actually merge or build the joint project like the international space station, which are beard in the hey, year after the end of the cold war and theme that conflict and war and your would be totally impossible. well now in a different, very different age and corporation in space is going to be limited between countries that are actually see that each other as bending. ok, well amy francisco is mentioned repeatedly important of cooperation in space
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because it's a very dangerous place in which to operate. but with the americans view, the chinese surely more competitors in space rather than potential cooperation partners. do they? yes. so they have historically been kept separate from everything, whereas nasa worked very closely with russia. china has always been on the outside . and i think there may have been one analog astronaut mission that had taken not but other than that there they just do not work together. so that would be interesting to see what, what happens in terms of bat, cuz they, i believe they launch their 2nd module to the space station and they're moving very rapidly with that francisco. do you know how china space program compares to the us of russia? they've launched another rocket recently to the, to the chang gong went to build a young space station. well, you know, the chinese space program came
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a little bit late. we must remember that the fair stat successful missions, the space where from the soviet union, and then the fair stuff like that, 1st, that space, walk the 1st woman space, et cetera, et cetera. so it comes from the 1950s, the 1960, some of the chinese can only recently, very successful. the actually launching very successful missions to the more tomorrow when they have a successful landing on mars. we start over on the backside of the moon as well. they come on over there. so now building there on the space station, but they came a bit late that i'll be behind in time, but i think they are making, we're very, very good progress i think. and i think wish we should look in the future to see more collaboration. that's i thought to repeat myself again and again. no frances, we say it's china's late to, to, to the space race. but it, it, is it catching up technologically with the u. s. would that be? it is not a concern for the u. s. i know you keep mentioning cooperation,
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but there isn't much cooperation between these 2 superpowers. well, no, not at the moment. of course, of course, technologically. china has less experience if you like. but if you see the interior of them, of a more than all the new space station of china is quite remarkable. he's very tidy and very well organized. and you see there are kind of technology just very well thought on very well a design. so i think it then logically, i don't know, i like one all i know qualify to do to really put a market white, which the logical i it has more bonds but they certainly the experience comes in decisive of us are russia and certainly not. amy is space exploration and enterprise that still needs state backing. we mentioned earlier axiom, we have space sex. we have. jeff bezos is blue origin. we are branching branson's, virgin galactic. we have a jarrett issac, mom,
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3 others being launched into orbit to visit the space station. will this be taken over by private billionaires or do we still need space states and contributions? we will still need stay contributions and space acts gets money from nasa for the seats for the astronauts and am for other programs. so as nasa is looking to go back to the moon, i'm, it is partnering with a lot of these companies and there is no money involved for them. and buy it now says plan is to, you know, push out further into the solar system. so they are wanting to help these companies, you know, set up and lower the orbit so that there can be a lot of activity going on there. and then nasa can divert a lot of its resources to more deep space, but it will still be a come a partner, a customer for these companies. i'm puzzled. those roles,
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cosmos. see this as still see prestige in space, exploration, or is it money that matters more to the russians now? a good they make. could they profit from this sort of desire for private exploration of space? actually, the private, the companies running space, an ex, there were competing with russia on, in space launches and commercial space launch is not own william b r i s s. and does that seem as a, actually the price of putting payloads into orbit has decreased, then russia has seen that. so we pushed out of the commercial market and gross cost most losing her, their money cow. so they were getting because of the russian budget isn't of course much smaller than the of the chinese or the americans. and they were o, ross course must was very much after the end of the cold war, surviving on kind of earning money. and now the have lost
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a lot of that capability. and so they are right now talking that right now their main priority is supporting the russian forces on the ground in ukraine, sending more military satellites into orbit increasing the number of motors, satellites, communications recon. so they're kind of right now, more millet arising because their commercial part is not really compete compatible compete or vo uh with the you are commercial, american and other entities that are there on the market. a francisco, how do you view the growing involvement of private individuals in spite space exploration? is it to be welcomed or something that should be done much more in cooperation with state institutions? well, exactly. 37 people mixed idea here. of course it is. welcome is welcome. to have
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more experience on, but at the same time it has to be regulated. you cannot have the sanity, you cannot have these people. i want to live 1st because i have the money to do it . it is not possible. we have a very good example, which is the unfair, the treat, the down party, treat the house are, but i 2 countries that are collaborating in on the very strict regulations, and that will also be outer space treat the from the united nations that picked is there it hasn't been implemented properly, has a mainland force properly. but all of these partners, all of these contributors, we remember we have other countries as well. we have india as, as well. they're coming, they give you a e. all these are countries are house and even the spacecraft are they have to be properly regulated. ok. otherwise it's going to be on a key and i come from again, but international collaboration properly regulate. ok. we've run out of time but puzzle papa falcon. how amy thompson and francisco diego. thank you very your
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