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russia has decided to pull out of the international space station. is it even possible? and what will be the impact on future space, exploration and research? this is inside store. ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm burnett's, the international space station has been a symbol of co operation between cold war and space rivals for more than 20 years. american astronauts and russian cosmonaut collaborated despite the challenges of their nations relationship here on earth. but even the i assess could not escape the tensions created by the war in ukraine. russia says it will withdraw from the program after 2024 and launch its own similar space station. nasa colby

announcement a surprise. but it's unclear how moscow can untangle itself on the project. it also involves astronauts from canada, europe and japan. working closely together, we'll bring in our guests in a moment. first, this report by fenton mana, the future of this beacon of international cooperation may be in doubt when the war in ukraine prompted the west to sever nearly all ties with russia. the international space station was one of the few exceptions. 3 to one. now, after more than 20 years of partnership, russia says it's pulling out. not only dancer, of course, we will fulfill all our obligations to our partners. but the decision to leave after 2024 has been taken. i think that by that time we will begin to follow russian orbital station and left off to many this move with a surprise or wealth. nasa and the russian space agency had only just signed

a new agreement to the very astronaut to the station. in may, the head of the european space agency said cutting type russia on the i s. s. with technically impossible for both sides are responsible for different technologies on the station, and neither is trained to operate the others without assistance is going to cause problems. the, the russian sort of side of things is in charge of several key systems on both international playstation. probably one of the most key ones is it's propulsion system. so that's the thing that stops it from it. it's just about in us atmosphere and overtime it's over, it does slowly degrade as it gets closer and occasion it needs to get this little bit boosted up again. and the russian segment is responsible for doing that. first through the hatch is denise match. since the war and ukraine broke out, even life in space hasn't gone untouched by the politics of earth. in april questions were asked about the russian crews, choice of space suit was which matched the colors of the ukrainian flag. they

denied any hidden messages, but many sort of a protest against russia's war. in july, the russian crew made a much clearer political statement. they posed for photos, with the flags of hans and an ask to rush and back break way regions in eastern ukraine. it's unfortunate that the politics on the ground have now reached up into space before the i s. s. was the one common ground that we had where, you know, it was in everyone's interest that it work. and we never neither side use the i assess for these kinds of political posturing for events on the ground. the i assess was 1st established back in 1998. research on the station has led to breakthroughs and battling cancer. all timers and heart disease monitoring natural disasters from space has also helped relief efforts here on earth. but with russia and china now planning to complete their own space stations in the coming years, a period of space cooperation may be giving way to a new era of space, competition,

benton, marin al jazeera. now this news caught many by surprise because nasa and russia space agency had just struck a deal 2 weeks ago to fly age of the astronauts to the i ss, cooperation between russia and the u. s. had appeared relatively unharmed by the ukraine war until now. the european space agency had already ended its collaboration with russia. the space agency and moscow has stopped launches of its soil spacecraft from a european launch site in french p on. ah, let's bring in our guests in moscow. we have pub, or filed on our a defense, a military analyst in orlando, florida. amy thompson, a science journalist, and contributor to space dot com and in london, francisco diego electra at the department of physics and astronomy university, college london. welcome to you all. pavel, 1st of all for you, is this ukraine related?

is it political, russia pulling out of the i assess, oh, well, it's clearly a ukraine connected because after the conflict there began, a sanctions were imposed in on russia by the west. and some of them, the sanctions are against and a part. so the euro's costs must been stayed to space corporation. a russian has already said that it will continue with the corporation on the space station there be sanctions go, be worth that. they have not been worth it so. so that means russia's right now, kind of saying that, okay, we're going to boot the whole project. since it's right now is not bringing russia much, any money any more. and, but this does not actually mean that this is the end of the issue. i should emphasize that, i think there's got, there's of course, some time left to i don't know 25. and there's time for some bargaining. so if

we're there, russia will go most likely. say there actually are, there are 2 different ways in russia. could quit, quit fully and so the station has to go down into the ocean, pacific ocean or kind of continue on a commercial basis to cooperate, to some extent, to keep it to running till 3rd d or a russia would be demanding psalms of sanctions rulings ok amy lids, not yet wills issue. all right, so amy, as pavel says, there is not over yet. is that from the american side is this viewed as bluster is the hope that it's bluster yes. so and russia said that they were going to pull out after 2024 and that there was a report that came out talking to one of their lead flight directors that was discussing that their version of the space station. that way the 1st pieces would launch maybe around 2028th. so from nasa standpoint, nasa has said that they would like to operate the space station until 2030. but it

is also at the same time preparing some commercial partners to launch sort of mini space stations. i think axiom has one. i'm blue origin has an orbital reef that they're partnering with several other agencies that they want to launch. so this notion of having multiple stations is probably something that's going to be happening around the same time that russia wants to do their own. so i definitely think that there is room for negotiation. all right, we'll, we'll touch on the commercial operators in space, a little bit lighter for francisco, though, what would it mean? so the ins asked to be operation the practical operation of it. if russia did withdrawal. i, it's going to be, i think, very difficult. the you cannot divide the national space station, not easy, the erosion module the so as we saw in your introduction, he's responsible for the movement of the space station for keeping you pretending

or bit on he has the power to do that. and that is control for moscow, i understand. so how these things are going to be sorted out is very difficult to imagine. and i hope that's part of it said, i hope that these negotiations are going to take us some kind of more constructive approach. amy, to help us understand practically how the 2 segments of, of the station a into dependent on each other and rely on the russians and the americans operating them. yes, so as, as stated, the russian type provides propulsion. so it essentially keeps that i assess and or bad. i'm currently there is not a usb hicho that is capable of doing that. but i'm sure that that is something that nasa and its partners are, you know, thinking about, especially after the announcement yesterday and in the us, sy provides power. it's got the solar panels. so they, they work together if you can't have one side without the other side who hovel,

who's holding all the cards. if you say the might be a potential for negotiation, who needs this small, the americans, all the russians have lowered both awkward, both needed need the station though the russian insurance has waned the bait or of course during the year of, for quite a long time since the shop owes stopped to fry. russia had a monopoly to bring her astronauts and cosmos aboard the space station. and so russia was earning a lot of money, a hundreds of millions of dollars a year. i mean, the one trip for one person up to $70000000.00. so that was bringing a lot of cash to roast cost must last as bright. now ended their beef wide zone russian. so use it. ships from americans, but back will not be for money much that will be exchange change for russians flying on the american ships. so stop the be money cow,

the space station for ross cost must. and so now this a, oh, they're not that much interested in continuing to maintain this aging station. and so they help the at, but it made me believe that or they have okay, the americans needed more. and so russia can waker for that and get something in return for stew, keeping it flying for 5 years. up to 30 francisco. there's an operational importance to having integrated crews on board. i read, i understand what are, what are the risks they bought this crew swap agreement where american cruise can fly on the russian rocket. russians can fly in on space x. what if these, what is the importance of having these integrated crews on the, on the, i assess while it is very important that is a very basic principle of international space station on it. these very saw that this is happening. i would like to see more cooperation and i would like to see

a space, exploration less competition, more collaboration. this is not the way to go into space. this is not the way we have explored our planet. i look at the state of the planet now as a result of why we have gone in the last few centuries, or you want to go the same in space. i think we have this opportunity, this challenge now to really, really set our mindset. i reset the and then more collaboration on more peaceful collaboration on, on, explore the moon, us humanity, not just a single country or as a single company. i hope we can, we can achieve that. well, aim is francisco syncing up other lives. symbolic importance of having integrated cruise as well as well as practical. what are, what are those practical importance is of having them all integrate to crews on board? well, it's good to have those, you know, because you have each program has something different that they work on, you know, as far as science and, and other things like that. so they bring that into them by having crews, you know,

and it's just really like he said, symbolic it's, it's, this is what we want to say. we want to see cooperation because the space station is literally like the crown jewel of humanity. like this is what happens when everyone works together and we are all capable of achieving great things. so we need this cooperation. probably been suggesting that a lot of this has come down to dollars in the end to cash. could the russians build their own space station as have been hinted up? would they would they want to, could they afford to do it? i will some kind of her station most likely will appear. it will take time again, her, the station that's being right now planned will be very different from the present or a space station. it will be flying higher on a different orbit, much higher. that means it won't have a permanent crew of the crews will be visiting, so it will be much smaller for,

for sures, with visiting crews. it's not will be white, the present. whoa. or but space station, which is where enormous, $500.00 tons of met though, and equipment flying there. such a thing will most likely never again appear any time soon in orbit around there's amy, other alternative partners for nasa, for the americans, the europeans may bleed maybe or is it the russians or no one? no. so there's 15 different international partners. i mean, russia is one of on so when they pull out there still 14 other countries including the u. s. that are, you know, that worked together to make the international space station. so nasa would probably lean on on those partners a little bit more on a fresh pulled out. okay, and francisco the specialty, the station is due to retired in 2031. what happens to it then?

willy will be continued control descent would be the orbit and will not you will lance. already in the pacific ocean us, i will be there the hubble space telescope in, at some point as well. so it will be the all be doug, what happens when you are in low air 4 bits? you are just reveals the speed on the new. i read a control way, your stuff just bring it down on that. we must remember also that china is a complete thing there on the space station this year. and that's another component here. i know that a country like was not allowed to join the international space station they, when they're on way and they got, they are building their own la in record time, actually they're on space station as well. so i hope, as i said before, that all the scholars were a sure of course, more girls to get there because our space exploration is very forgiving is very, is there? yeah. extremely bang jiggles. you mean international collaboration did with emergencies to deal with a man and not was challenges and he will be good to have the expertise from

different from different scientific and technological groups working together. i wanted to move on to, to china are actually in an unpublished, could russia realistically move on to cooperate more with china space program? very ambitious, china supposed to be head of russia now technologically in space. our well, most likely not ahead, no logically, but actually to clearly ahead in finances. so they are building, it's worth where they have more money disband. now logically was like where russia and china are more or less on bar, maybe in the rocket technology, russia is or please, it's not the head boards maybe has some kind of headway there. oh, corporation and space between ration channel they here has been a lot. talked about it in recent years, it's not really that easy to happen. the child has their own space station and

won't be really compatible with the russian one. but there can be kind of visits of chinese going onto the russian station. the russians going on to the chinese station. i think that's possible, that would be symbolic. but i don't think that the 2 countries are going to actually merge or build the joint project like the international space station, which are beard in the hey, year after the end of the cold war and theme that conflict and war and your would be totally impossible well now in a different, very different age and corporation in space is going to be limited between countries that are actually see that each other as vanity's. ok, well amy francisco is mentioned repeatedly important of cooperation in space

because it's a very dangerous place in which to operate. but with the americans view, the chinese surely more competitors in space rather than potential cooperation partners. do they? yes. so they have historically been kept separate from everything, whereas nasa worked very closely with russia. china has always been on the outside . and i think there may have been one analog astronaut mission that had taken. but other than that there, they just do not work together. so that would be interesting to see what, what happens in terms of that because they, i believe they launched their 2nd module to the space station and they're moving very rapidly with that francisco. do you know how china space program compares to the us of russia? they've launched another rocket recently to the, to the chang gong to build a young space station. well, you know, the chinese space program came

a little bit late. we must remember that the affairs that successful mission, the space where from the soviet union and then the fair stuff like that for staff space, walk the 1st woman space, et cetera, et cetera. so it comes from the 1950s in 1960, some of the chinese came only recently, very successful. the actually launching very successful missions to the more tomorrow when they have a successful landing on mars. with an over on the backside of the moon as well. they come on over there. so now building their own space station, but they came a bit late that i'll be behind in time, but i think they are making, we're very, very good progress i think. and i think wish we should look a my in the future to see more collaboration. that's i thought to repeat myself again and again. no frances, we say it's china's late to, to, to the space race. but it, it, is it catching up technologically with the u. s, would that be? it is not a concern for the u. s. i know you keep mentioning cooperation,

but there isn't much cooperation between these 2 superpowers. well, no, not at the moment. of course, of course, technologically. china has less experience if you like. but if you see the interior of them, of a more than of a new space station of china is quite remarkable is very tightly and very well organized. and you see there are kind of technology just very well thought on very well a design. so i think it then logically, i don't know, i like one all, i will 15 to to really put i are marking white which then logical i, it has more bands, but they certainly the experience comes in the size of us russia and certainly nasa amy is space exploration and enterprise that still needs state backing. we mentioned earlier axiom we have space sex. we have jeff bezos, his blue origin. we are branching branson's, virgin galactic. we have a,

jarrett issac mother and 3 others being launched into orbit to visit the space station. will this be taken over by private billionaires or do we still need space states and contributions? we will still need stay contributions and space acts gets money from nasa for the seats for the astronauts and, and for other programs. so as nasa is looking to go back to the moon, i'm, it is partnering with a lot of these companies and there is no money involved for them for them and buy it. nasa's plan is to, you know, push out further into the solar system. so they are wanting to help these companies, you know, set up and lower the orbit so that there can be a lot of activity going on there. and then nasa can divert a lot of its resources to more deep space, but it will still be a come a partner, a customer for these company rules. i'm puzzled. those rules cosmos. see this as

still see prestige in space, exploration, or is it money that matters more to the russians now? could they make, could they profit from this sort of desire for private exploration of space? actually the private, the company's work space extend. we're competing with russia on in space, quanch's and commercial space launch is not on william b. i assess. and does that seem as a enough, actually, the price of putting payloads into orbit has decreased, then russia has seen that. so we pushed out of the commercial market and gross cost most losing her, their money cow. so they were getting because of the russian budget can, isn't, of course, much smaller than the of the chinese or the americans. and they were o ross, cross muscles very much after the end of the cold war, surviving on kind of earning money. and now the have lost

a lot of that capability. and so they are right now talking that right now their main priority is supporting the russian forces on the ground in ukraine, sending more military satellites into orbit increasing the number of motors, satellites, communications recon. so they're kind of right now, more millet arising because their commercial part is not really compete compatible compete or vo uh, with the new or commercial american and other entities that are there on the market. a francisco, how do you view the growing involvements of private individuals in spite space exploration? is it to be welcomed or something that should be done much more in cooperation with state institutions? well, exactly. 37 people are mixed idea here. of course it is. welcome is welcome to have more experience on, but at the same time,

it has to be very late. you cannot have the seller to, you cannot have these people i want to live 1st because i have the money to do it. it is not possible. we have a very good example, which is the unfair treat, the down part the treaty has are, but i 2 countries that are collaborating in on their very strict regulations. and that a we have also be outer space treat the from the united nations that picked is there hasn't been implemented properly, has a mean enforce properly. but all of these partners, all of these contribute those. we remember we have other countries as well. we have india as, as well, they're coming, they have all these countries, a house and even the spacecraft. now are they have to be properly regulated? ok. otherwise it's going to be on a key and i come from again building promotional collaboration properly regulate ok . we've run out of time, but puzzle probably fell going. how amy, thomson and francisco diego,

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