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that we, for example, half of x seen ah, this is al jazeera, these are the top stories ukraine's president says, his country's ready to dispatch the 1st shipment of grain from its black c port flawed him. as lensky says, that just waiting for the go ahead from the un and turkey, john hendrick is in the port city of odessa with more. until this agreement, it was broken by turkey. these waters were simply to unsafe for anybody to transport grain. so none of that is haven't, you've had 20 to 25000000 tons of grain just sitting in this port. and now it appears beginning today that ukraine will once again feed the world. and that's important because there's a looming food crisis in africa and elsewhere where people are desperately waiting for these shipments to come. so we'll have apparently a 1st shipment to day and then there will be other shipments. the us and chinese
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presidents have talked for more than 2 hours and what's being described as a tense phone call. she's paying as warm job, i did not to, as he put it, play with fire over taiwan, rushes foreign minister. so a guy laugh rob says he's scheduled a phone call with the us secretary of state antony lincoln. it will be the 1st conversation between the 2 top diplomats since russia invaded ukraine in february of didn't confirm the day. she says the agenda is still a work in progress. well, bank says that won't give sure lanka financial assistance until it puts economic reforms in place. the country has been plunged into a deep financial crisis since 2019 show lank as new president has promised to get the country back on track. french president emanuel con, has met saudi crown prince. the home had been phelman of the elisa, palace, france, and other european countries are trying to secure alternative sources of energy to reduce their dependence on rushing on and gas. it's been sell mom's 1st official
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visit to the e u. since journalist remark, shockey was murdered at the saudi consulate and stumble and 2018 protests against guineas, military june. to have brought the capital conduct creek to a standstill, organizes say one demonstrated was killed in confrontations with security forces. the unrest again, just before the head of the regional block echo us said military will lose, had shortened the time table for transition to civilian rule. from 3 to 2 years. those the headlines, they'll be more news for you here on al jazeera right after inside story phoenix. time. bye bye. ah. people in eastern democratic republic of congo, won't you?
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and to leave. they say the mission has failed to keep them safe. several civilians and peacekeepers have been killed in days of unrest. so if you and troops can't keep the peace, who can? this is an eyesore ah. hello welcome to the program. i'm im, ron kon, people in easton democratic republic of congo. say they've had enough of un peacekeepers, at least 12 civilians and 3 members of the local un mission known as moscow had been killed in days of protest. dozens have been wounded. ah, demonstrate his attack to you and bass is in at least 4 cities in the provinces of north and south keyvi. they say you and troops fell to protect them from arm groups including m $23.00, some protest essay. he's keep his open fire on them. the you and denies this in as
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accused protests as of stature weapons from congolese police and the humans children, agents. he says kids have been manipulated into joining the unrest. little was not there, but one little more congo is our heritage congos for the congolese. ever since venus girl came here, they have done nothing, nothing. people have her throat slit every day. while we are meant to have a un mission to keep people safe, the population is being massacred here. been kill like sheep in the presence of that mean ask are there? oh, when they go home, we're gonna take care of things ourselves. they say they don't have the means to combat the m 23 rebels. so we're going to defend ourselves on our own. if they don't leave today, we're going to keep demonstrating until they do the you and says, attacks on it's peacekeepers may constitute a war crime. it's chief, a peacekeeping is due to arrive in the country on friday. the situation today can be described as a friday,
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a normal friday if you wish. because with the advocacy we've made with the government since monday, the prime minister there have been some reinforcement of national security forces on the ground, securing our bases and installations. we was, we're forced, oops, our own contingency to ensure that securities restore. we do have buckets of a still a in security, particularly in south who in our territory. in particular, un peacekeepers have been in democratic republic of congo for more than 22 years. more than $16000.00 military personnel and police and protecting civilians and supporting the government's peace efforts, most of the forces come from pakistan, india and bangladesh. moscow has a budget of more than a $1000000000.00 a year. it's mandate was extended for another year last december. but so troops have struggled to contain violence from arm groups in east. in may. 2021. the
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congolese government placed the north akiva and it tore provinces under what it called a state of siege. since then, the number of civilian deaths has risen sharply. ah, let's, we're going to guess in brussels as your mother sang, a researcher from the democratic republic of congo at amnesty international. in eastern connelly, city of goma, passive movie, lima founder and executive director of the at the action and development initiative for the protection of women and children. she joins us on skype and from til burg. in the netherlands, felix and the hinder and independent research are focusing on conflict, peace and justice, and the great lakes region of africa. a warm welcome to you all. i'd like to begin in the netherlands with felix in the end, after 22 years. surely this is now a failure of the un peacekeeping mission and they just need to leave. i always knew all saying things, of course,
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i guess much thing about that trailer to do with what expectation to your hob about to you and postings have in it in any context. i've been discussing video that you had when there i've been keeping mention, i'm not a peer making my mission. sometimes the legalistic knew all about them seems to death to been meaningless. but in many contexts, we, we know from an a, an appeal perspective, un rarely makes peace, un tries to keep peace between belligerents. but the idea of making this really most of the time is left to listen to the answer to the diplomatic and many other channels that you make. yes, there is a lot to say about money for what he has done and what he's not have not done, but the expectation that one is going to go there in the yes, the account will last 100000000 people. so plus 1000000 square kilometers and make peace even with their fossil $20000.00 flaws. puff and l
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was a little bit naive. i would say not being paid of course. yes, that have been coming in terms of wanting to go get involved with different actors, both local actors, how much they are involved, and how much are they activated in their own? i just see in making peace or in taking that sort of thing. we make it interesting point here they've, the peacekeeping forces are about the peacekeeping, not peace making. but it seems to me, if you've lost the support of the population, then you are actively actually encouraging violence, which is what's been happening in the eastern democratic republic of congo. so is the peacekeeping mission of failure in europe? i concur with most of what the other discussion has it. i think it's, it's a bit a mixed result when you see what the situation was. 22 years ago,
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when you, when functions i've been in the are see between the belligerent to try and make sure that the peace agreement was respected and where we are today. the u. s. has an important role in ensuring liberal soccer in the some city protocols are mentioned that there is there a united you know, back in 1999. when you went, mission to call was created, was split into 3 big pots with 3, with 2 or 3 big rebellion rebellions and the government in contessa. and then you will have to, to a certain extent, green re re nice country. it also helped
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electro and democratic processes. the elections in 20 democratic traditions in 26 where largely supported by the international. ready community including the u. one. now when it comes to p to kiss making or skipping, what it's true that you when does more to make peace. but actually it was the 1st time the one was trying to make b. in 2013, the un security council created the 14th big division brigade. we demanded of fighting and dismantling groups. it had an offensive monday. it was the 1st time in the you, when you started in the, when peacekeeping, nice history that you, when a parisian was event, an offensive group with groups. and it succeeded in defeating the m 23
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back in 2014. but ever since it has also gone, it's a sleepy so yeah, the answer, the straight answer to your question is that it's a mixed result. there have been successes and there are many failures which can explain the frustration. it's expressed by the people in the streets of north keep recent in recent days, but also in recent years. this is not the 1st time there is an uprising against the you would have been menu appraising against you, and this is just the last one. well, that's brilliant, hasn't worked. well, let's bring in passim obama now from a go. my posse, the same question to you has a un peacekeeping mission failed. i think actually it sounds like you had seen that there is a huge session,
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actually not q regarding the departure of the news across the country. and especially in the extent of congo where there are so many people killed every day. and people in the street have been k, p a p, and a new school because they have been in the country for more than 22 here. and we think that this is too much time and the impact on the grounds. as you know, this is like a mission of the united nation was but a t, what's the r c or we have been staying on the ground is that still young are still
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killed, women are still right and we can say that the situation has been the same for 22 years now. and for me, if they can't do the mission, i think it's time for them to go and try and kill companies that are meant to protect the colonies. if you then that key or celine did that you did come with government. felix, patsy has just said that and she works for the protection of women and children that women and children are being failed by this un peace keeping force that it is a failure. and perhaps is time to try something else. what is that? something else is there is something else. that's exactly quite a very important question. i get to raise here. get a hold this quote around that,
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been it want to live on my also my offer would be probably not the fall of the amount that anyone in addition comes somehow to see the budget about it. but we don't have you any intervention in many countries into words. it simply because let's say authorities in both countries, including in the security world perfect, are able to perform the basic functions about or maybe that being said, what is what has been, did ya see? because 1st are grimaldi of the broken nature of what is politics of armed activities that are prevalent in the country. keep in mind that this is an area which has reported more than more than $100.00 different groups. em considerate, being one of them are many reports of the un coding and pendant research document the ramp up human rights violations by the congress army,
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one of the recent book, for example, that distance turns, but also to commit to what is many reports, how to document that or have to commit to dollar bills. such outputs, the complexities of some, even the army commander in force for example, in the hostility, even in nourishing the different worlds. because being on their thoughts who is a source of income has become a business. yeah. i'm not making the fact that i recorded being se, relying on this existing structure. all of a sudden, after the patch of pneumonia score to perform the basic function of protection upset and given civilians that maurice was being still reported for protecting. over the years we've all should come back and we got, we can go through would be a little bit nice. it's very important to think of it to think about a teacher to look at 1st and foremost that they did all the fact that much of the failures we had mentioned around monte sco duke, somehow mir. all the many failures,
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even even bigger failures of come. what is politics in many sense? so either very national, local and, and are and even at regional level if you will. so did it, it, it would be presumptuous to say that all of a sudden, bright congolese, a protest will be operational and capable church to change up is that he has not been met with that. feel that let's put that point to felix 3rd. felix, let's put 2.2 home of a single some of it. there is no other. busy option is there, that has to be un peacekeeping force because kong, the eastern congo isn't ready to police itself to protect it. so of course, there are options, there have to be options. and these are not necessarily military options because when we're talking about the you, when he's keeping or peacemaking mission, there have been no proposal by the east african community to deploy
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a regional force. there is on an ongoing joint operation between the colonies and the uganda army. there is a state of siege or state of emergency that has been in place for over one year. so the response to the conflict in years he has been largely military. and i think what has failed before it is the un, or they can release it's them. the military approach to the, to the conflict resolved that conflict. and this has led behind the root causes of this concrete, which includes the impunity, enjoyed by perpetrators are over more than 28 years in the industry and endure, see, but also in the neighboring countries such as ron die, gangedine others who have participated or how have committed serious crimes
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on the dear c soil. there has been no accountability, almost no accountability for those crimes. and this has allowed them to come meet them over and over again. and when you see what is happening with m 23, that's one of the reason. 1010 years ago they were militarily defeated, but nobody was held ser count. now they are back again. they can commit again. they can again, rape and to you because they, you know that for sure there will be no consequence. there have been on cumberland is officers one because in the or india they have not been held to account congolese officials still now. i plus not being held to account other causes includes economic and social in and you know, all the issues around the management of natural resources and also policing issues, the legitimacy of our inventory, sha mother, we are,
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we are running out of time and i do want to come to the other guest parssi, i want to bring this to you as well. what john movers seems to be saying is that actually it's a failure of politics, not just of peacekeeping, but this is the best bad option, isn't it? this the, the route that the politics aren't going to change themselves overnight. so a peacekeeping force is the only way to keep the peace. surely. yeah, i didn't really bud cheeks on my side. i think the commodity government has a duty to protect the population. but when we think that they are having big support of the un mission, i think everything should be different because as you may know, more nicole has it because they have money. they have
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people, i mean the dispos. yes and vision of that to try to put the government to fight different, both groups we have in the region. you know, i believe that the count more than 100 are rebuild the region. and from from you we can count on new one. we shouldn't be that way, but by the un mission for the people who in my pc or even to where are those we both are actually so many human rights. and what we want to want to see is you know, they just need peace. they need to be able to go and work
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on the land and try to find something and then the new school and they come with. does it work to do that? i think a huge program for people and stitches and felix, why is this happening now? why these attacks taking place today? i mean, of course, that's because you just mentioned some of the issues really have to have been going on and has been that there is some kind of fatigue, rightly so justified kind of got by the population. was still very much victimized whose lives are not met by the college for it is. i can understand that this is direct, that, that one of the active got out that, that is visible on how's it might and power that is believed to be able to solve the issue. but keep in mind also that copy lives on the head for narrative that
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you're happy and that can be quite, very dangerous and can be late. so what we know is that this is sparkle, violence occurred on, on fact that she didn't july. so this mom, the head of the senate to hell from this region where both from the south people progress for now, speeches, income pain was integral. my, i didn't book i will where he basically said money needs to, to, to, to, to, to, to leave. he did it in very popular way, what those we want to leave can utilize johan and so on. so that's kind of popular in itself. so i mean, academically, you can go and look for how much impactful factor speech is correlated with the violence that day. but it's a difficult not to read that to get it. so that is bad, but also going to be that the attack will be in, for example, say in baby i'm mid august, the climate the there,
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which is which is i think the presence of monies for which, which is not doing it. but as i said, you really i read away that as part of really the broad structural issues or if it's real, real, getting out of time and i do when it comes to the other guess show mother just very quickly. do you agree with what felix has just said? that the actual some congolese politicians are using monasco as a bashing they can batch them, is popular and that's actually leading to more anger and then more attacks. definitely definitely. there are for you when use a victim of a lack of leadership in the are see, but also it has its own short comments for sure. and i think the most important now is to know what, what, what needs to be done as the international community is paying or is seems to be paying more attention to what is going on there. a secretary said secretary clinton
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is apparently traveling to the region. next week, there should be now be addressing the root causes of that conflict and not just continue to invest in the military response which has shown itself limitations and its failures are over the last decades. there has to be accountability for those who committed crimes and other other issues have to be resolved through dialogue of political processes, policy what all these root causes. then if we, if we are to attack and to change the recalls as of this, it's not about monasco being in the country. it's about the root causes. but what all those recalls is, i think, and my sad that on when is could being in the country and made me good if they can realize damnation. i've got some guy different
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petition who tried to let me place you in the country. but you can remember that this is not the 1st time that people are clean me. i did the actual new school year if you send them a credit because comma, because most of the time we can see people not far from the bed of the new school. and this is both. so i think it's very important that people can still continue to claim because they, it's right for people if they think that they are not doing mission, but really strongly what's happened the next 2 days where people have used a huge vita to, to claim it by new school,
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because i think if we want clem departure, we had to do these no violence way. officially, booking. we've got to make this happen. felix is very quickly, very, very quickly. you've just heard what the last, who guess about is there anything that you think is positive about moscow's involvement and congress within the last step that we've panted, the armed activities of even the security that we could still commit our profit is it's a very well recorded that's money because it keeps set an individual that lives in the d r c. so it's still a force that is needed. i'm actually always been it for department is called to be or should always be tied to the think the company is politics, including committee decision, the army politics, but also the inclusive governance in the country. i want to thank all our guests. as your mother sang,
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patty movie lama and felix and the hinder and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out. is there a dot com for further discussion goes? well, facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a j inside story. for me im ron conn. and the entire team here in bo, i finance. ah ah ah ah
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