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javert, they'll be hoping the home crowd, tim, give them the edge, but germany, but it's not just about the result. we hope that he had that we got everyone so antagonistic and that at the end actually the whole country is proud, proud of us and more even more girls and boys will start playing football. of course, for the lawyer, this is going one step further. the link lives men did last year and lifting the trophy is the ultimate goal. o n d baba al jazeera london. after 2 years cove at 19 hiatus volunteers in southern spain have restarted a flamingo tagging tradition. excuse me, 600 chicks were carefully herded into a pen at a reserve in malaga, in march where identity brings conservationists can now track the birds as they migrate across europe and north africa. domingo is a born gray, but get their iconic pink colored off for a couple of years on a diet of cross stations. ah,
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it's valgy there and these are the top stories. supporters of sheer care. my father i'll saw that, are still inside iraq's parliament. they say they won't leave until their demands a mess, including withdrawing the nomination of mohammed, shy, also dani. as prime minister, ukraine's president has ordered the evacuation of the eastern region of donetta, cause fighting with russian forces, intensifies, acknowledged that some people do not want to leave, but said they are vulnerable to russian strikes. if they stay on hendrick has more from the port city of odessa, there has been intense fighting in that region and according to zalinski, he's talking to everybody in that region. not just john yet for the whole dumbass region. because the concern is apparently, partly because of the conflict, but also partly because the winter is coming up, gas lines have been severed and it will be miserable for anybody who remains there . so there's the peril of the kinetic war. but there is also the concern about just
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trying to survive a ukrainian winter, which would be very cold with no gas, no electricity, and difficult condition. so i think the, the goal there is just to try to save the maximum amount of life. you as president joe biden is back, and i solution of testing positive again for coven. 19 white house says it's a rebound infection, which can occur after treatment with the anti viral drug packs of it by the 1st test, positive for the virus on july 21st. spain has reported its 2nd monkey pox related death in the past 2 days. the 1st confirmed deaths from the virus in europe stains monkey pox case numbers of the highest in the e. u. and almost 4300 police have arrested an italian man on suspicion of murdering and i. jerry and vendor video shows and assailant wrestling a leeker overtook war on his back and beat him. bystanders in the town on italy's antibiotic coast called police,
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but did not intervene around president has visited areas hit by flooding and land slides which have killed at least 80 people. abraham lacy traveled with fish with officials of the rainy red crescent to the city of for rooms car. as the headlines then he's continues here on al jazeera. i left the inside story shortly, but i talked to al jazeera. we ask for the rebound you speak of is clearly coming at a high cost for airlines and the industry. what's going wrong? we listen, you were part of the, i'm struggling in the 19 seventy's if you have any regrets. no, we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter. one, al jazeera italy struggling to process the rising number of undocumented migrate. the reception center and land producers overwhelmed. all right, politicians capitalizing on the situation. could this decide the fate of september that election? this isn't a story. ah
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and i walk into the program. i'm wrong. con undocumented migrants. once again at the center of a political tussle in italy. the interior ministry says more than $39000.00 asylum seekers arrive by boat this year. that's 10000 more than in the same period in 2021, most migrants and refugees trying to reach europe undertake the perilous journey across the mediterranean. the small italian island of land producer is one of the closest stops on the route from north africa. it's reception center can't handle the number of arrivals and is more than 500 percent over capacity for politicians seized on the influx ahead of the snap election in september, former interior minister mattie rosaline, who's on trial for blocking boat arrivals in 2019, says italy has failed to defend its borders as haskin. i'm now reports from number
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2, so the aquamarine waters of the mediterranean, surrounded by craggy cliffs, keep luring tourists to these cones. however, vacationers aren't the reason. the small italian island has made headlines in recent years. in 2013368 migrants and refugees died. when an overcrowded boat capsized dear lamp producer, it was one of the worst ship racks in modern european history. francesco verandas, father was fishing with a friend when he heard cries for help. he rescued a dozen people and became a national hero. reloads empty, the people tinkled migrant. so criminals don't understand what he means to suffer for something in forget that the western earth exploited the dis, same africa became from after people protested the days when asylum seekers arrived and roamed the narrow streets are long gone. now their presence is invisible to
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most prompting one woman to accuse our crew of spreading misinformation. but we watch a trip to the gandhi english, the one that you're born archer, there is a problem when the sea is very calm. like today, we see at least a 1500 people arriving each week. they're immediately transferred to sicily, or somewhere else. we don't see them on the island. yet the migrant welcome center is overflowing. the uptake and arrivals coincides with the collapse of prime minister mario druggies coalition government. this month. he announced his resignation twice. far right and populous parties, torpedo, dragging government, and are expected to prevail in snap elections. on september 25th, the missouri siblings come from one of the oldest families on lumper. do so make a living selling produce out of a truck in the city center within your bro, all of us when we should vote for the far right and give them an opportunity to run
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the country before we say the and no good. currently migrants are coming here everyday without any rules. florida hopes italians won't allow far right and populous candidates to scape goat migrants. almost a decade later, his father has remained in contact with some of the people he rescued. and he says the sadness in their eyes remains. natasha. your name al jazeera lumper. do sir italy ah, let's bring in our guess all adjoining us from rome. andrea to purchase as a scientific director at the center for. busy paying policy in italy, yamba david oliver recently made the journey from libya and is a spokesman for refugees and the be a non profit organization. as the senior m. s a is an assistant professor of international relations and global politics. the american university of rome. welcome to you all. i'd like to begin with cecilia. if the far right in italy ought
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to be believed, then it leaves being overrun by migrants and is in danger of becoming a failed state. so accurate? oh, well, and i don't think it is at the same time i must say, i mean political parties in italy as i just mentioned, are essentially preparing. i've already started to campaign for the next election, which is going to take place in september. and migration is obviously set to be perhaps the most contested issues in the campaign. if we look at the program of one of the parties that is suppose, i mean, is expected to do better in terms of elect the results that is broader. so really the far right party led by george maloney will see that actually migration and islam ization, whatever that means are linked and are presented as key challenges.
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debt this party is willing to tackle if of course it's going to win the election in ozone room under the poultry, andrea to purchase um, surely the far right to have a point. this is a legal immigration that they seem to be talking about. this is a criminal gangs are involved putting people on to the see put of their lives in danger and we're watching people die as they try and make that journey the far i do have a point only, ah, actually not really seen suck one into international law you can not call an immigrant illegal as long as you need an intent to fly him or hair so magically adding kind to which sign international agreements like italy are firstly obliged to let people come to the territory for trying to reach their territory if the territory is the safest place and closest means they have to reach and, and afterwards, ne, firstly had to identified them and find out if they are legally,
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are they legally trying to come into the country? well, that's bringing yamil. david oliver younger david oliver is a mike, a my grinning recently made the journey from libya before we get into any questions . you just explain to us and to our audience what your experience was. how did you get into italy? well, i will start by has no figures to speak. i just mentioned that you can mark garza anemic guns in italy until you have already done the procedures and able to interview and identify the person. so each each reach back out to my country and she doesn't as christine when i leave my country start so dance and dance printing all the way to the northern stanford chart. and i found myself in maybe a because the given situation in the countries where i had to cross was not fan range. so i had to to constantly migrate and lead. yeah, i'm out the day. what i swan upon my arrival in libya was. busy only night nan or
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jose exclusions mate under all his his team was being found that by day european and italian government. and when i tried to grab this d, i was supposed to been, they are intercepted and pushed back to detention centers. these only happened not once or twice and with all the isn't the continuous experience of human nature that i have to do or, and they're seeing loved ones drawn to see my friends and the people that i loved just got better resorted to the official and informal detention center, all which is fully funded by the government. i'm to love to be chart. when i was, i was living in a garbage was trickling when the storage is done. it's melinda the gym for us to meet out of the miles with us. and we, peggy,
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we directed everybody violently pregnant women, there were children and elderly level. they were not identify will have the right to is to leave or where seekers, where if it is because the garbage was denied. it was about the 10000 population of people living in that. but you never did not happen to use the violence and took people to your detention center and well non detention center, which is my by me and many more informed decision centers which created more. ready economic, i mean, god forgives me just because the benefit from people from receiving money from me on, from the people themselves. it was when we created the money to go on in front of the units. what infrequently and of course we went to the units. they are here to
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try to find voltage and we do not ever give us because this a, the claim that the hot room, it's monday to operate in a way that the project because i'm really just are we get that within the system in triple this went on we had to protest because we were leaving surviving failed by the sidewalk of tripoli, and front of the units hit the water. went on. i'm sorry, david, we are running out. we are going to be running out of town and i wanted to get to everybody. when did that come to an end? when did you actually physically? lake crossing into room into generally. yeah, i made dick crossing into italy on the 21st of june. and it was a very enjoyable journey because i was asking for regular roads into wrong, but i was denied access even by that she didn't are out of rom when i was telling lydia, being persecuted by the libyan,
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that storage is on. it's many just trying to speak about what was happening. so i had to hop on on the door and you boat, which was a sudden and unworthy for the c journey, but likely admitted to italy is still a good match with the different challenges. because has he said before we were being called enabled before we even landed in today, cal n jerry don't. andre, you've heard david younger david oliver's story there. this is a failure of policy almost on every single level. surely just explains what those failures might be. well, actually this is a quite a long story. italy has been struggling with migrations phenomenon for 4 years now . so you cannot really call it a certain emergency right now if you have politicians trying to figure out a crisis, because that is actually more political, a time for you know, for campaign and saw and is not surprised anymore. political actors, sir,
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and part is phase 3 years, is, is true in terms of failing to create the re or integration policies for the migrants, which are i'm in italy and are where entitled to remain where we and we are talking of the asylum seekers and people which are obtain assigned as to words, and then once they obtain a permission to stay, they didn't find any occasion to really integrate in terms of, you know, education, worker and facilities, whatever. which may, of course, difficult for these people to have sort of normal life in italy, which we are looking for, but is not deal sold is sold to of the institution, which is not needed, not provide quality approval policies through the years that are cecilia for too long now, governments have used migrants as a political tool as
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a political weapon. let's take a turkey, for example, at caps, syrian refugees, and till a couldn't keep them in their country anymore because they were furious with europe . so they allowed them to cross into your greece as a legally detained people. italy has legally to same people. the u. k. is trying to use a 3rd party center in rwanda to try him process and immigration request. now, why is this become such a european political issue and why now? so it is not really, i mean, it isn't surprising, right? my migration is, as we were saying before, i mean a controversial issue. it's something that touches upon different aspects. we have the fear of invasion that are, of course, sorta by weapon used by populous parties. we, so we have the economic sort of fears. we have these fierce connected to
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a loss of identity or possible threat to identity. so i think it's not surprising that migration is, is contentious. what i find to be particularly disturbing is the number of double standards that we're witnessing right now. so 1st of all, think about what happened with him when a weapon ization of asylum seekers on the polished border, which happened last winter and then think about how thankfully you ukrainian refugees have been welcomed into poland. right. so we, we see a double standard there. i think it's an european issue simply because europe is a complex policy and to countries are affected by migration in different ways. and interestingly, you know, the countries that are perhaps frontline countries. so poland, but also greece and italy that you mentioned are those that perhaps experience so
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have been experiencing financial problems, for instance, right? where women remembered the financial crisis that hit reese and also each of the very seriously. so i think that's, that there's a, an issue really a corey ship from european union. it's about policy and it's about coming up with policy solutions. but it's also about being true to its values. i think we are really seeing these exposed right now with the, i mean, with the resources that have been rightly deployed to help ukrainian refugees. so it means that there were sources are there and we can set up systems to welcome people that are fleeing m, where scenarios, right? but it's a challenge and it's a challenge, that's what you institutions and member states are hesitant to take up because again, it goes back to domestic palletization migration. and so just if i
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can just add, you know, we're talking about sent the right parties. instrumental izing migration, but actually the poly says, you know, the agreements for instance, between detailing governments and the libyan coast guard that i essentially produce a number. busy appalling human rights abuses were to put in place by a center left government. so it's, it's across a little ross, the political spectrum. yes, absolutely. so across the board will let me bring in your me a david oliver, andrea, i will come to you very quickly shortly. but them, you what ukrainian refugees there, the good refugees are the good migrants are the people who should be open. not black people are you. that's what the uh huh. for right. so how do you feel about well i feel completely demonized. i feel completely like being neglected,
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being denied, even by the international community. because when we look at the period, there was, it started a new grade. we completely wait till industry we. we tried our project european parliament. we tried to approach the italian government to look into why was operating in libya and there was no response people. well, i mean we find for us has the right fiji, we find every day. so what single other bridge is not on the new, not on the about a black person, we feel completely that we have no voice. but this is not anymore. we will continue to have a voice because we cannot continue to be denied in this way. and how useful is it to have somebody like young david oliver like to have an organization like refugees in libya that gives a voice to those refugees? is that the voice being heard?
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this is a good find of course is it's very important to, to have her organizations which are trying to describe dura situational people in libya and actually not account raising all, not african, even in our, in, under sarah countries. but this is not enough. we need to, to have more so better channels to bring did our voices into the political debate at national level in italy and a european latanus less. if i may give you one more element of discussion about the double standards between the ukrainian refugees and the north african refugees, he need to lead on march 22nd. there were 6 passing that there are 61 a 1000 people. or if you choose coming from ukrainian, you know, how many people are in the lamp? it was a right now, 1727 people and we call it is an emergency. so you see we are dealing with
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very different figures, but the political debate is for some reason to put in this emergency lamp. it was as the real crisis for phones and the real danger for you up and for either the on one side. on the other side, we are really and the sports is correct to be there to be right that we are competing ready to work on people from another part of europe. even if the figures are so different. this is very important for me to, to, to put under the under stress far, far, correctly. find out and figure out what we are talking about. i was about to bring those figures up to you and have figures as well. they are in the 4 hundreds from going to more individual countries. but 1700 people in non producer cecilia. it isn't a huge amount of people yet. the value isn't figures, is it the value is the way the far right can use it as a political tool. it doesn't matter how many people there are. absolutely,
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and we knew this from the very beginning when you know the, when the government failed and lost the confidence of the parliament, we knew that these on these electra campaign was going to be about migration. well, not exclusively about that, but also about that. if i can add something more from something else to what the colleague was saying before, there is a sort of an ironic i aspect to the migration debate in italy, which has never brought up in italy, is a country that is experiencing a serious demographic crisis. which means that we need, we actually need migrants. there is, there's no way we can survive in our welfare system can be supported in the coming years and decades unless we bring in migrants. but these is again, a point that is never brought up. and the only way in which these, these problem, the demographic crisis is framed,
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is about natal birth rating that it's about encouraging women and to have kids, etc. but yes, so as i said like it's it's, it's not about the fingers. if it were by the fingers we would actually probably be trying to, ah, at integrate as many migrants as possible. let's talk about this idea of integration. come to you andre. first. andre. first, you know, you've got to integrate these people. yes, they get here from libya. yes, they are arrived like younger david oliver is. but the systems are there to integrate them or are they, um, are they just being abused? well, sir, it's hard, it's hard to say that the find is if you compare the policies adopted by italy in last years, we daughter on counters, for instance, germany. you will see that what we are trying to do in germany is trying to her to have integration even allowing people which were officially not allowed to remain
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in germany to start, you know, education courses for possible work activities afterwards. because they think as long as you have these people there, it's better to try to educate them and give them a possible chance for integration. even if you don't know if this people are allowed to remain for, for years afterwards. but it's very, i would say very practical approach to the thing if you remain to the idol logical idea of approach that so you know, people coming from north africa, potential creamy notes. we do not want him to go to want to change the society one to you know, to, to change the, our construct routes, whatever you will never grew up from this point and do, do we still remain the same kind of a vision in the political debate in a political opinion that migrant from africa are danger, but they're not as,
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as our colleagues said. we need people from the rest of the we're not only from north africa because we have a very strong need for, for, for occupation. the european union understood that in the last month, they issued an official communication saying that the european union should strive to support immigration from abroad because the whole european union, the 27 member states, will need people for, for word, for activities, for your cation, whatever. in the nursery and hospital care, we need a lot of people and we will know that we know that we will not be able to come to cover all these or to patients to do so with the national. so it's a matter of interest for you. p n counter is 1st to try to integrate this people affiliate just quickly because we are running out of time, you did touch upon this earlier. no one is hearing the argument in italy, although no one is hearing the argument that we need refugees. it's 2 political,
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no one. it's so political, but you know, what's interesting, for instance, just a couple of days ago was kind of surprising but, but again, not surprising for the 1st time ever. the leader of a well ever in a long time, the leader of the democratic party is the center last party running currently for, for this upcoming election. mention the fact that the party is not going to renew it's support to the mission that italy launched. and to corporate, the, with the libyan coast guard. right. and it's, it's, it was like he announced it on twitter. and he was kind of a surprising in a sense, because they've been very quick that they were expected to be more vocal about human rights and less vocal about the threat of migration. but the fact the
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a center to left party was, i was in a sense, repressive in many ways and sent that to right parties. so this is like an interest in development. so, and they're not really saying we need to protect human rights. they're not saying this openly because again, it's not very popular at this point of view. 9 and that would be attacked by the right of course, immediately, but they kind of changed their positioning on the shoe a little bit. i wanna thank olga sandra to patches young beer, david oliver and cecilia sophie lata. and i want to thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out there a dot com. and for further discussion goes, well facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash asia inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter . we are at a j inside story from me among con and the whole team hit by for now. ah,
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