she says not much has changed since we last spoke. that's why we also request that that when they said increase the supply and then we'll get you. i think the pay comments have been no longer home. yeah. well, the reason why so many people live in these squalid and often dangerous conditions is as was the case, 13 years ago because of hong kong, acute public housing shortage. it's a short is that means the waiting time for such a home can be up to 10 years. ready ah, during a recent visit to hong kong, china's president changing ping urge the territories new leader to make the issue of affordable housing a priority. the local government has pledged to build more than 300000 homes in the next decade. something the c says should have happened a long time ago. it's a shame the hong kong language hub weight. we can pull it as soon as possible and even that sense at that one constant, atlanta, housing harvey. but addressing the poverty hidden behind the skyline will be

a challenge. and one that former governments have failed to resolve. adrian brown, al jazeera hong kong. ah, this is al jazeera. these are the top stories, supporters of shia cleric, mark potter. i'll saw that are still inside iraq's permanent. they say they won't leave until they demand a met, including withdrawing the nomination of mohammed, shy of the dani as prime minister was on the why had, has more from bank to us. the gains on his home to government offices and also international diplomatic missions. now that had been cause were called that president of the code of this region november rezani has called on the political arrival factions to come to court this time and to be engaged in, in negotiations to in this crisis. but these protests say that they will not leave

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it almost has died at the age of 94. he was one of the leaders of the 1986 per democracy uprising which toppled for non medical fall father rather of recently elected president for non medical junior, almost the head of state between 92 and 98. as my headlines, when you see on al jazeera, off the inside story, same extent, but my ah, italy struggling to process the rising number of undocumented mike is the reception center in lamb who says overwhelmed? all right, politicians, a capitalizing on the situation. could this decide the fate of september snap election? this isn't i story. ah

. and i walk into the program. i'm him wrong. con undocumented migrants. once again, at the center of a political tussle in italy, the interior ministry says more than $39000.00 asylum seekers arrived by boat this year. that's 10000 more than in the same period in 2021, most migrants and refugees trying to reach europe undertake the perilous journey across the mediterranean. the small italian island of lam produces one of the closest stops on the route from north africa. it's reception center can't handle the number of arrivals, and is more than 500 percent over capacity for right politicians seized on the influx ahead of the snap election in september, former interior minister marcio sal vini, who's on trial for blocking boat arrivals in 2019 says italy has failed to defend

its borders. let's ask a name now. reports from them produce the aquamarine waters of the mediterranean, surrounded by craggy cliffs. keep luring tourists to these coats. however, vacationers art, the reason this small italian island has made headlines in recent years into she 13368 migrants, refugees died when an overcrowded boat capsized. dear lampa do so it was one of the worst ship racks in modern european history. francesco verandas, father was fishing with a friend when he heard cries for help. he rescued a dozen people and became a national hero. reloads empty and the people tinkled migrant. so criminals don't understand what he means to suffer for something to match and forget that they're worse than nerves exploited the de same africa. they came from after people protested the days when asylum seekers arrived and roamed the narrow streets are

long gone. now their presence is invisible to most prompting one woman to accuse our crew of spreading misinformation. garage attributed a gun in the english to one that you're born archer. there is a problem when the sea is very calm. like today, we see at least a 1500 people arriving each week. they're immediately transferred to sicily, or somewhere else. we don't see them on the island. yet the migrant welcome center is overflowing. the uptake and arrivals coincides with the collapse of prime minister mario druggies coalition government. this month he announced his resignation twice. far right and populous parties, torpedo, dragging government, and are expected to prevail in snap elections. on september 25th, the missouri siblings come from one of the oldest families on lumper do so they make a living selling produce out of a truck in the city center. we went over

a lot of us when we should vote for the far right and give them an opportunity to run the country before we savvy and no good. currently migrants are coming here everyday without any rules. colorado hopes italians won't allow far right and populous candidates to scape goat migrants. almost a decade later, his father has remained in contact with some of the people he rescued, and he says the sadness in their eyes remains. natasha. your name al jazeera lumper, do sir. italy ah, let's bring in our guess all adjoining us from rome, andrea to purchase as a scientific director at the center for european policy in italy, yamba david oliver recently made the journey from libya and is a spokesman for refugees in libya, a non profit organization, and cecilia emma, so the law is an assistant professor of international relations and global politics . the american university of rome. welcome to you all. i'd like to begin with

cecilia. if the far right in italy ought to be believed, then it please being overrun by migrants and is in danger of becoming a failed state. so accurate. oh, well, and i don't think it is at the same time i must say i need political parties in italy as i just mentioned, are essentially preparing. i've already started to campaign for the next election, which is gonna take place in september. and migration is obviously set to be perhaps the most ah, contested issues in the campaign. if we look at the program of one of the parties that is suppose, i mean is expected to do better in terms of elect the results that is broaders or meet any ad the far right party led by george maloney. i will see that actually migration and islam zation or whatever that means are

linked to and are presented as key challenges. that beast party is willing to tackle. ah, if of course it's got a windy election in ozone room under the poacher, andrea to purchase um to surely the far right to have a point. this is a legal immigration that they seem to be talking about. this is a criminal gangs are involved putting people on to the see part of their lives in danger and we're watching people die as they try and make that journey the far i do have a point only. ah, actually not really, since according to international law, you cannot call and immigrant illegal as long as you need an intent to fly him or her. so basically every come to which sign international agreements like italy are firstly obliged to let people come to the territory. so trying to reach their thir it or if their territory is the safest place and closest place they have to reach.

and then afterwards they firstly have to you don't to find them and find out extern legally or illegally trying to come into the country. well, that's bringing jamiria, david oliver younger david oliver is a mike, a migrant in recently made the journey from libya before we get into any questions here. just explain to us and to our audience what your experience was. how did you get into italy? well, i was talking about how the figures to speak, i just mentioned that you cannot call person anemic. done until you have already done the procedure to interview and identify the person or if they reach back to my country in 2001 i completed my results so that and that rating all the way through the northern to dr. jobs and i found myself in maybe because to give it a situation in the country, it's why i had to cross was not rain. so i had to to constantly migrate and leave

of the day. what i find upon my arrival of media was only my natural job exclusions mates, and all of these 15 was being fun that european monday, talent government. and when i tried to grow this d, i was supposed to been late or intercepted and pushed back to detention centers. these only happened not once or twice and with all the, the continuous experience of human nature. but i have to do or, and they're seeing loved ones drawn to see my friends and the people that i loved just got there resorted to the official and informal detention center all which is fully funded by the government. i'm to love to be shot. when i was i was living in a garbage was trickling when the storage is done. it's melinda

flores in the middle of the night. we, i'm all the barrels. and we, peggy, we directed everybody violently pregnant women. there were children and elder level they were not identify will have the right to is to leave or where salem seekers were. if it is because the guard was it was about the 10000 for relation of people living in that. but she never did not happen to use the violent that took people to human detention center and well non detention center, which is my by me and many more inform detention centers. we created more economy. i mean the road for this managers because the benefited from people from, from receiving money from on, from the people themselves. it was when we created the money to go on in front of

the units what the infrequently and of course we went to unity are hitting what the prime to find voltage. and we were not able to give us because this a, the claim that the dream, it's monday to operate in a way that they will protect refugees or we get that we didn't the system in triple this went on, we had to protest because we went leaving surviving failed by the sidewalk of tripoli and front of the units y'all had to water went on. but when david we are running out, we are going to be running out of town and i wanted to get to everybody. when did that come to an end? when did you actually physically make the crossing into rome into italy? yeah, i made dick crossing into italy on the 21st of june. and it was a very enjoyable journey because i was asking for regular roads into wrong, but i was denied access even by that she didn't are out of rom one. i was just

telling lydia being persecuted by the libyan, that storage is on. it's many just trying to speak about what was happening. so i had to hop on on the door and into boat, which was a sudden and unworthy for the sea journey, but likely admitted to italy is still a good match with the different challenges. because has he said before we were being called enabled before we even landed in today, cal n jerry don't. andre, you've heard david younger david oliver's story there. this is a failure of policy almost on every single level. surely just explains what those failures might be. well, actually this is a quite a long story. italy has been struggling with migrations phenomenon for 4 years now . so you cannot really call it a certain emergency right now if you have politicians trying to figure out a crisis, because that is actually more a political, a time for you know,

for campaign and sod and is not surprised anymore. or political actors sir. and part is phase through the years is, is true in terms of a failing to create the real integration bonuses for the migrants, which are i'm in italy and our where entitled to remain when we were talking of the asylum seekers and people which are obtain, assigned as to words, and then once they obtain a permission to stay, they didn't find any occasion to really integrate in terms of, you know, education, worker and facilities, whatever. which may, of course, difficult for this people to have sort of normal life in italy, which we are looking for, but is not there or sold is sold to of the institution, which is not needed, not to ride our body to brewer why this is through the years that are cecilia for

too long. now, governments have used migrants as a political tool as a political weapon. let's take a turkey, for example, at caps, syrian refugees, and till a couldn't keep them in their country anymore because they were furious with europe . so they allowed them to cross into your greece as a legally detained people. italy has legally to same people. the u. k. is trying to use a 3rd party center in rwanda to try and process an immigration request. now, why is this become such a european political issue and why now? so it isn't really, i mean, it isn't surprising, right? my migration is, as we were saying before, i mean a controversial issue. it's something that touches upon different aspects. we have the fear of invasion that are, of course, sorta by weapon used by populous parties. we, so we have the economic sort of fears. we have these fierce connected to

a loss of identity or possible threat to identity. so i think it's not surprising that migration is, is contentious. what i find to be particularly disturbing is the number of double standards that we're witnessing right now. so 1st of all, think about what happened with him when a weapon ization of asylum seekers on the polished border, which happened last winter and then think about how thankfully you ukrainian refugees have been welcomed into poland. right. so we, we see a double standard there. i think it's an european issue simply because europe is a complex policy and to countries are affected by migration in different ways. and interestingly, not the countries that are perhaps frontline countries. so poland,

but also greece and italy that you mentioned are those that perhaps experience so have been experiencing financial problems, for instance, right? where women remembered the financial crisis that hit reese and also each of the very seriously. so i think that's, that there's a, an issue really a corey ship from european union. it's about policy and it's about coming up with policy solutions, but it's also about being true to its values. i think we are really seeing these exposed right now with the, i mean, with the resources that have been rightly deployed to help ukrainian refugees. so it means that there were sources are there and we can set up systems to welcome people that are fleeing m, where scenarios, right? but it's a challenge and it's a challenge that what you, institutions and member states are hesitant to take up. because again,

it goes back to domestic palletization migration. and so just if i can just add, you know, we're talking about sent the right parties, instrumental izing migration. but actually the poly says, you know, the agreements for instance, between detailing governments and the libyan coast guard that i essentially produce a number. busy appalling human rights abuses were to put in place by a center left government. and so it's, it's across the political spectrum. yes, absolutely. it's across the board. well, let me bring in your me a david oliver. hey andrea, i will come to you very quickly shortly. but them, you white ukrainian, refugees, there the good refugees are the good migrants? are the people who we should be open, not black people are you. that's what the of off. all right, so how do you feel about well,

i feel completely demonized. i feel completely like being neglected, being denied, even by the international community. because when we look at the period, there was, it started a new grade. we completely wait till industry we. we tried our project european parliament. we tried to approach the italian government to look into why was operating in libya and there was no response people. well, i mean we find for us has the right fiji, we find every day. so what single other bridge you not on the and you not on the about a black person, we feel completely that we have no voice, but this is not anymore. we will continue to have a voice because we cannot continue to be denied in this way. and how useful is it to have somebody like young david oliver like to have an organization like refugees in libya that gives a voice to those refugees?

is that the voice being heard? this is a good find of course is it's very important to, to have her organizations which are trying to describe dora situation of people in libya and actually in other countries in all, not african, even in our, in, under sarah countries. but this is not enough. we need to, to have more so better channels to bring did our voices into the political debate at national level in italy and a european latanus less. if you find me, give you one more element of discussion about the double standards between the ukrainian or if it is and the north african refugees, he need to lead on march 22nd. there were 66 that there are 618000 people. or if you choose coming from ukrainian, you know, how many people are in the lamp? it was a right now, 1727 people and we call it is an emergency. so you see we are dealing with

very different figures, but the political debate is for some reason to put in this emergency lamp. it was as the real crisis for phones and the real danger for you up and for either the on one side. on the other side, we are really and the sports is correct to be there to be right that we are competing ready to work on people from another part of europe. even if the figures are so different. this is very important for me to, to, to put under the, under stress far, far, correctly. find out and figure out what we are talking about. i was about to bring those figures up to you and have figures as well. they are in the 4 hundreds from going to more individual countries. but 1700 people in lamb producer, cecilia, it isn't a huge amount of people yet. the value isn't figures, is it the value is the way the far right can use it as a political tool. it doesn't matter how many people there are. absolutely,

and we knew this from the very beginning when you know the, when the government fell and lost the confidence of the parliament, we knew that these are these electra campaign was going to be about migration. well, not exclusively about that, but also about that. if i can add something more on something else to what the colleague was saying before, that there is an sort of an ironic aspect to the migration debate in italy, which has never brought up. and italy is a country that is experiencing a serious demographic crisis, which means that we need, we actually need migrants. there is, there's no way we can survive in our welfare system can be supported in the coming years and decades unless we bring in migrants. but these is again, a point that is never brought up. and the only way in which these, these problem,

the demographic crisis is framed is about natal in birth rating that it's about encouraging women to have kids, etc. but yes, so as i said like it's it's, it's not about the fingers if it wear, by the fingers we would actually probably be trying to, ah, at integrate as many migrants as possible. let's talk about this idea of integration. come to you andre. first andrea, 1st, you know, you've got to integrate these people. yes, they get here from libya. yes, they are arrived like younger david oliver is. but the systems are there to integrate them or are they, um, are they just being abused? well sir, it's her, it's hard to say that the point is if you compare the policies adopted by italy in last years, we daughter on counters, for instance, germany. you will see that what we are trying to do in germany is trying to her to have integration even allowed people which were officially not allowed to remain in

germany to start, you know, education courses for possible work activities afterwards. because they think as long as you have these people there, it's better to try to educate them and give them a possible chance for integration, even if you don't know if people are allowed to remain for, for years afterwards. but it's a very, i would say, very practical approach to the things if you remain to the ideological idea of all that. so, you know, people coming from north africa, potential criminal, we do not want him to go to want to change the society one to you know, to, to change the, our concert routes, whatever you will never grew up from the point and do, do we still remain the same kind of a vision in the political debate in a political opinion that migrant from africa are danger, but they're not as,

as our colleagues said. we need people from the rest of the world, not only from north africa because we have a very strong need for, for, for occupation. the european union understood that in the last month, they issued an official communication saying that the new european union should strive to support immigration from abroad because the whole european union, the 27 member states, will need people for, for word, for activities, for your cation, whatever in the nursery and hospital care, we need a lot of people and we, we know that we know that we will not be able to come to cover all these occupations to this with the national. you know, so it's a matter of interest for your you. p. n counter is 1st to try to integrate this people affiliate just quickly because we are running out of time. you did touch upon this earlier. no one is hearing the argument in italy,

although no one is here in the argument that we need refugees. it's 2 political, no one. it's still political, but you know what's interesting, for instance, just a couple of days ago, it was kind of surprising my get. but again, not surprising for the 1st time ever. the leader of a well ever, in a long time, the leader of the democratic party is the center last party running currently for, for this upcoming election. mention the fact that the party is not going to renew it to support to the mission that italy launched. and to corporate, the, with the libyan coast guard. right. and it's, it's, it was like he announced it on twitter. and he was kind of a surprising in a sense, because they've been very quick that they were expected to be more vocal about

human rights and less vocal about the threat of migration. but the fact the a center to left party was, i was in a sense, repressive in many ways and sent that to right parties. so this is like an interest in development. so, and they're not really saying we need to protect human rights. they're not saying this openly because again, it's not very popular at this point of view, and it would be attacked by the right of course, immediately. but they kind of changed their positioning on the issue a little bit. i want to thank all, i guess, android patricio, david oliver and cecilia sophie lata. i don't want to thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out there a dot com. and for further discussion goes, will facebook page as facebook dot com forward slash asia inside story. then you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are asked ha inside, sorry from me monk on the whole team hit by now.

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