tv Inside Story Al Jazeera August 1, 2022 2:30pm-3:01pm AST
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guard is deployed troops to assist emergency crews. other operations have been hampered by damage to critical infrastructure. new zealand is fully opened its folders for the 1st time since march 2020. they were close to reduce cove in 1900 from spreading. most visitors need to be fully vaccinated, but there are no quarantine requirements. prime minister just enjoyed the and called it an enormous moment. a history making women's european championship has come to an end, and london is in a football frenzy after england won the euros for the 1st time. thousands of fans had gathered to celebrate the championship title. chloe kelly scored an extra time when at the seal of $2.00 to $1.00 victory over germany, the title for the home team, the 1st major trophy in their history. ah,
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let's take you through some of the headlines now. the 1st ship counting ukrainian grain is now left the port of a death or under an international deal find last month. the rezone is a fairly own flag vessel carrying more than $26000.00 tons of corn. john 100 has more from the support for the rezone has dipped over the horizon behind me. but 3 hours ago, its nose edged out of the port of odessa in it made history, bringing food to a world that needs it and hasn't seen a ship leave that port since the war began on february 24th. now there are other ships we're told 15 of them loaded up and ready to go, but it doesn't look like they'll be leaving right away. we heard from a pilot that we spoke to the board of turner morris, who's on one of those ships. he said he was originally told to get ready to leave today. he said there have been logistical problems. sheerly them knocked out. i saw
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that i was calling on all the rockies to join processed as camps inside parliament . his supporters stormed the building on saturday for the 2nd time in a week. arrival militia group is calling for account to protest against what it calls a suspicious qu, israeli forces of arrested 42 palestinians in different parts of the occupied west bank. jerusalem governor ad knife is one of the people detained in overnight writes us how speak at nancy pelosi as arrived in singapore kicking off a tour of the region. it's on clear where the policy will include the stop in taiwan. they jing is warning policy against visiting the self governing island. as the headlines, news continues after inside story ah
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will iraq slide into civil strife? supporters of powerful leader? my father of souther are still occupying the parliament. they're refusing to leave until their demands are met. but what if they aren't? and what role does iran play in iraqi politics? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am john? protestors have once again taken over iraq's parliament in a show of support for influential she, our leader mcduff sub on saturday. thousands of people stormed the building and but that for the 2nd time in a week, they vowed to stay put until their demands are met. escalating
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a political standoff at least 125 people were injured. other supporters reject the nomination of mohammad she r as so danny, as prime minister. it's been 10 months since the elections, but a deadlock remained over the formation of a new government. i'm what are what had reports from that? ah, once again, supporters of shia cleric moved to the saw the occupy iraq's parliament. but this time, the vote to stay put until their demands are met. we reject corruption and corrupt politicians. so don is a tool in the hands of foreign powers. he and his colleagues work against the rock . he won't do anything for our benefit. i month and we won't leave until we kick those corrupt politicians out of iraq approve iranian book called the coordination framework has nominated mohammed
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t i c n e for play minister. these protesters have linked him to former premier in re l malakai. flight schools, home life by the health ministry has confirmed dozens of people including soldiers were injured . when police fire t, a guess at the clouds. a jimmy, everyone shares the responsibility, political parties of the political, elite, of, of the social forces and influential figures. we have to say to everyone, and everyone must act wisely with the rock in mind in order not to lose again miss woody set of days, permit recession had been dedicated to electing a new president, followed by the naming of a prime minister, who would then full new government, all that is now on hold. giving gravel politicians at chairs to meet. but these
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protesters are worried that m. p 's could hold an unannounced it session to approve su danny. so now that in for the long haul, moved up louis l g 0. those guys so who is looked under a southern, the founder of a popular shia movement. his block 174 seats in october's elections, making it the largest faction in parliament. but last month, souther ordered all $74.00 in peace to resign because of a failure to form a government. seller was the leader of a powerful militia, the mad, the army which was founded in 2003 in response to the u. s. invasion. he is a populace who enjoys strong support among poorer she, our communities saw the reposes the nomination of mammoth show. yeah. as to danny for prime minister saying he is too close to tara. ah. all right,
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let's go ahead and bring in our guests. in durham, they don't look in any nonresident fellow at the arab center, washington, d. c. in buck that marcin a summary as a research fellow at harvard kennedy schools, middle east initiative, and into iran, hammered miss harvey, a professor of political science at the university of to her on a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today. on inside story our scene, let me start with you today. first i wanna ask you who exactly are these protesters? are the protesters that are currently engaged in this sit in in parliament. the ones who occupy parliament are the only supporters amongst other as other and is what they are seeking, representative of what other it archies want. this is a very unfortunate lesson because i think it's very relevant to how impactful these protests are and how much effect they'll have under are going forward. dansville replaced and predominantly they are the followers to the center, but there are other iraqis in walton these protesters,
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and we might expect more to join later on. but the vast majority of them are addressed. but their, their demands do resonate to some degree with the rest of the rest of the country. and other iraqis, for example, where they are as an 8 will strongly isn't this call for and incorruption. and bringing those warcraft to accountability, where they may be less resonant with their rockies as their demands for another set of early elections for an intern governmental that happens. and perhaps even for the rewriting of the constitution. so in some lazy speak to the majority of iraqis, but in other ways their demands, particularly for early elections, my actually, inger, the public, more than i am with and bring them together. they do. is there any kind of a solution that can be reached to get beyond this current political, stale made and also how much is the the rivalry between former prime minister nori mulky and most of us other driving all of this?
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well firstly, the solutions could be between the coordination framework and the sub. this movement seems to be very difficult for the past few months, due to rivalries and very old rivalries. as you mentioned, the one between a former prime minister in monarchy under my father. neither of us i just moved. however, molly keys potential for any candidacy towards the prime minister role has been very limited or almost abolished faster than the audio where he testifies he's very on allies within the coordination framework. who have been for months negotiating with others to keep or maintain and my, the key within the coordination of framework. so the crisis here has not only become a crisis or disputes between 2 different ortiz, but it has also to lead into internal disputes within the very same parties themselves, such as the coordination framework, which is also why we're probably not noticing or witnessing any strong political or
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even on grounds response from the coordination framework due to the schism or the, or the fragmentation that took place after the meeks, the just movement or the suggest leader is currently focusing on how to create obstacles for the coordination framework. ensuring that i won't take them a short time or an easier time to form a government which he failed to do for the past 10 months, similar to the obstacles they presented to his coalition with don't k, d p hammered. how is the iranian government viewing? what is playing out in at all right now, and, and what is iran position when it comes to what's happening? i think iran does not want to unrest in iraq. i don't think it serves the wrong interest. i don't think it serves iraq's interest as, while iran position is dead. all factions in iraq should respect to democratic
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process side to fail to form a coalition government. and i think he should now provide an opportunity for the opposition to do to attempt to form a coalition government. why i think many people support the goals of the protesters. i don't think sit in the end quote, will actually achieve the goals they are looking for. now, i know that there are a lot of discussions among the protesters about interference about your on interfering in iraq's affairs. in reality, i think this is mostly a rivalry between domestic ah, you, rocky groups and domestic. you, rocky parties. you want does enjoy some actual lot is not some, but maybe considerable influence in iraq. but that doesn't mean that you wanted
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interfering in iraq. the affairs. so i think ultimately this is most of the, a rivalry between domestic political groups in iraq, marcin, you may have heard, they don't moment ago talk about fragmentations going on in political blocks right now. and i want to ask you from your vantage point, do you believe that looked at that? so there's rivals in the pro iran coordination framework block. do you believe that they're showing signs of any internal divisions? i'm asking that because, you know, it's been reported on the one hand, that there are some leaders in that block that, that want to see dialogue go forth. and there are other leaders within that block that would like to see counter demonstrations yet. let's go back. actually a few weeks back to when i looked at the sender was still invested in the political process and in creating a government. and at that time, something that was very telling was that in his pursue of the majority and opposition government, he actually did reach out to certain segments of the coordination framework. namely,
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almost everyone but former prime minister knew mankey in order to get them on his side and to collaborate with them and to marginalize nike in the process. so what we see here is their unwillingness to step away from the coordination framework and to form an alliance list other back then, which actually speaks to their remarkable a connectedness in their remarkable degree of united nus that they're showing at this point, this, i don't think is really based on any ideology but more of a calculation that united they are a threat or they are mincie powerful when put up against most of the sudden. but if they go to his side than it we can some individually. so i think that's a calculus that they made back when the offer was even more, more attractive than it is right now. and i think right now we do see different kinds of messages from different leaders in the coordination framework. but they don't seem to be messages that are countervailing messages. and anyway,
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so mostly they have been calling for the progression of public property of for a dialogue and for really doing things within the outlines of, of the law and of procedures that are trying to the state. so they the do are present a somewhat united front and we can't really expect them to be more united isn't this because they are very powerful individuals, some paramilitary groups who have been accustomed to being independently strong after it's so they're, it's a low pipe puller kind of set up the coordination framework rather than i had to monitor for you to pull the one with the top. they don't. is it any surprise to you that the other supporters were able to enter parliament and that they are able to stay there now and from your perspective, how long might we see parliament occupied by these protesters? not at all. unfortunately,
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the reality in iraq is that most of the political parties were the armed wings, as mentioned by my team, or people that are able to, to infiltrate them, bypass many situate the moment you checkpoints. this is a very easy one, comparing them to the october 2019 process. mental protesters try to access a few bridges that would lead them to, to have a square, which is a public score. and they were met with political violence either from the political parties that are currently in dispute today, or from their own doings, or from a 3rd party. as the governmental media likes to refer to them to push away or hideaway accusation from the political parties involved in assassinating these protesters. unfortunately, the political parties and disputes are locked, which is to be for the nation framework. and the address movement equally are able to, to bypass an email to checkpoint and, and face any governmental premises and enter any governmental building without
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facing with similar consequences, but were faced by the peaceful processors. harmon, how did the relationship between souther and iran get so bad? what went wrong? well, actually sandra has spent considerable time in iran, especially in the city of old, in the past 2 decades. he has repeatedly are come to iran. he even met iran supreme leader numerous times in the past decade it's, it's very difficult to tell exactly what went wrong. one theory is that most that are, that is the person who he changes his mind very frequently. another reason perhaps can be that he had a quite good relationship with cost, and so the money ah, after his death, perhaps that's not existing anymore. but ultimately i think he's a person who's he's very neurotic in he seems to be changing his mind very
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frequently. but in the past year, i think relations between iran and my dad has become very bad marcin. how involved is iran right now in, in the dark? obviously they've, they've been involved in iraq for a long time. but is it a more hands off approach at the moment, or is there a lot of pressure being brought to bear on or off by iran right now? well, when government formation was still under way in the sense that most of the southern was invested in it, there was iranian involvement in the sense of the fanatic of pressure and presence in order to get the various groups in iraq to come to an agreement on simply because of how long. busy it was taking a iran will always have insulins to some degree in iraq, but this particular government formation cycle, i think, for an intervention and iraqi politics has been less than usual,
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not nonexistent. what is interesting though, is basically look to the southern bid to form a majority government with his credit and with a sunny allies was something that was supported by a lot of arab countries and in the region. and we see that their intervention and trying to push this through has failed. so there are, there are various foreign actors were invested in the outcome of iraq selection in government from asia. they doing, how concerned are you right now that that adult could slide into real civil strife? i mean, what are the chances this could get much worse than that? that violence could play out in the days or months ahead. 6 a lot of the ongoings or former arms wings that belong to a lot of the political parties, whether it be the sup, just for the bonds within the coordination framework. we do have a history of an armed conflict, particularly when we talk about the, the traditional, the story called monarchy and father rivalry existed since 2006
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when some of the, the political parties with them. the coordination trademarks listed out of a suggest movement in the early stages of the use invasion. so there is a history of civil strife. however, the possibility might be a bit lower than in the early stages of the us invasion. there are more platforms of dialogue. there are one little point these and political individuals that are very powerful and today the rock that would rather continue or take this forward in a peaceful dialogue because the rock is going. ready through a sense of sober 29 team coach movement, the political system or the political class of 2003, iraq is going through a very drastic transition period where it is determined, whether this political system will survive, whether the ethnic civilian political system will survive it has been questioned by a rising political consciousness of the use of the civil society. international
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community is also realizing the alarming effects of the failures of medical class towards education, public goods, public services, and the sovereignty of the rocket borders, including the, the, the alarming impacts on iraq, the sovereignty from equally from different regional power players including iran. ready so this is certainly an issue that will be considered. and the long term, however, there will be more platforms of dialogue. dot could ensure that this crisis is not political than it really relates to my daily life with an iraqi citizens. this i just movement does by the hearts and minds. so many people across the spectrum when it comes to nationalism and reform. but in reality, as we noticed, and the lowest bolter turned out since the, the, the establishment of the current iraqi democratic system that proves that most iraqis did not affiliate and circle these political parties. and they did not
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affiliated themselves from this political system. and they hoped to see a different political system as they known as interesting. you're bringing up all these math protests that happened in 2019 i was in baghdad. i covered covered many of those protests in october, november of that year in 2018 and i encountered so many members of these youth protestors who said they had no faith in government whatsoever. they wanted a complete overhaul of the political system. i'm curious, get your perspective if you think that there is a chance that we might see mass protests again, like what we saw in 2019 there is the possibility that we will witness some that must protest. however, unfortunately, the be, be the focus for the momentum of the process movement has lowered due to a lot of distractions that dragged away the attention from this movement. and it also created a lot of pessimism amongst the rocky youth. as you probably recall. ringback right
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after the, shortly after the breakout of the over 2900 post, this movement was just a lot of the stabilizing events that took place whether it was the assassination of them. so they money, whether it was the political violence attempt connected by the ongoings of the political parties would then be rocky governments towards the peaceful protesters or the political. ready favors and ensuring to create a caretaker government that would be different from some of their faces, from the some of the political parties and interest groups that the people initially revolted, i guess from the 1st place. so this might be just another event or incident or another series of incidents that will distract the people. pull the people away from giving them hope. change is off the boat by only protesting. however, currency it's on. the ball is in the course of the political parties not are trying
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and one way or another to save this political system. however, if you have players such as most of the father would like to read to find the political system under his own terms. for objectives, he had signed a very long hammond. what steps do you think will see iran take if, if what is happening now in iraq escalades and if it causes serious instability? i think this is happening at a very sensitive time for here on i don't think you on once this unrest to continue you're on is currently engaged in very sensitive negotiations on its nuclear issue with the united states. it's also engaged in negotiations with saudi arabia where iraq is actually hosting these negotiations. so i think these on rest are actually happening at a very bad time for you on and i think you on once these on rest to and as soon as possible. i nevertheless, i don't think iran has the necessary influence in the necessary tools to end this.
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i think you're on, we'll try to negotiate in, facilitate negotiation between the 2 sides. but as i said before, i think the relationship between iran and mazda doll sandra has the terrier deteriorated in the past year on you, which is the new ahead of the woods force of you on my he doesn't join the same kind of relationship that so they mani enjoyed with not that are sad. so i think ultimately you're on has to engage with some sort of negotiation with mazda doll sat there to fix the situation. marcin, i'm briefly, i want to ask you about them. how bad is the situation currently for ordinary adoptee citizens? i mean, we're talking about a political stalemate. we're talking about a political crisis. but how was all this impacting a citizens in a country where there is such high unemployment,
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where they have not been able to approve a budget, withers joblessness where people are so frustrated. how bad are things getting for normal every day average it offers. last and months of honestly been excruciating for the average iraq, each because of the lack of government. and as you said, the lock up budget, there hasn't really been any room to implement any improvements in terms of services or to be able to provide for employment through private sector and sadly through public sector as well, which is an advisable iraqis do look forward slash so everyday citizens are quite fed up with the impasse that has been the longest and past and there are supposed to 1003 histories. busy so it is making life really difficult for everyone, particularly as the climate crisis has hit or are really hard with continuous sound storms occurring on a several times a month that had made everyday life very,
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very difficult when it comes to this actual protest movement and its effect on everyday life, to be honest, its effect on traffic and on the streets. and well, that hasn't been very noticeable. there's been less people outside of their homes than usual, but the city, the hiler and the cities really is really contained to the areas around the international. so all right, we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave our conversation there. thanks. so much all of our guests they doing and county much seen a somebody and hum it was awful. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle as at e, j inside stored from emergent room and a whole team here. bye for know. ah
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