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that was the scene in iraq's parliament building on monday as full as of the she a lead. am of tada al serra continued their city in protest for government for form . anthony ok on today stream political deadlock in iraq despite holding parliamentary elections last year. lawmakers have been unable to agree on who will run the countries next government. and now protests from rival. she are political groups, are threatening to deepen divisions in the country. so what will it take for iraq's government to work? that's our discussion today. you're very welcome to be part of it on youtube. ah, time to meet your panel. welcome. are ed amar la heaved. so good to have all 3 of you on the stream. right, welcome back to the stream, please matter audience who you are, what you do i work with her organization because funded by jamal,
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i should be the democracy for god of old now, or don. get to have you. uh huh. nice to have you on the street, please introduce yourself to our audience around the world. well, i'm actually on the list. i work with the price use the agency, the based in get to have you. welcome to the street. please introduce yourself to ivy with thank you for having me. i am the senior iraq analyst, the international crisis group. thanks all of you that's. i'm going to get you to talk to each other audience. you can also talk to, i guess, as well. i am surrounded right now. i'm a bi scenes of iraq's parliament building. it does not look like business. as usual. i see a thing i see people can you explain as we show these pictures? what happens and what it normally would look like,
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came parliament and is this an extraordinary occurrence? can you stop? can you help us? well, yes, for the 1st time. it also is similar images where you can see a van, there's a inside where they supposed to be located all the drug laws and also all the place where the, where they are likely for their normally. and the behind the scenes for the 1st time came over that people can visit and, and share rate with the control. it will be the time. i say there was a time that expected for how long you get to be why you, when you look at those scenes of the men chanting and dancing and flags waving,
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what comes to mind? well, i'm just giving you go ahead. so i think it's interesting to see that iraq is, are actually celebrating, taking over the parliament building. and from what you can see in those pictures, they're not violent, but they're happy about this to be sitting in the seat of the political leech decide. so many decisions for them, but they don't feel a part of and the main sign of that was the turn out october 2021 election. and it's actually sparked this crisis where only about 40 percent, formerly, probably even less of the rockies actually showed up to the whole. right. can you explain from your perspective why you think the protest and the sitting is now spread into the parliament building? what was the cabinet for that? honestly, this extraordinary to see these pictures, but it's not surprising,
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and it's not the 1st time that we have seen a similar manifestation of how the majority of iraqis reject the current political regime in iraq. that is, that has been based strong push back against the foundations of the covenant that argued government that was installed by the us in 2003. it's pushed back by some needs and secular and code and christians from iraq who opposed the idea of running the country based on security and division. and who holds for an intervention with the forum dimensions came from the us or from iran, or from so they b, o or whatever. so we have seen, you know, manifestations of, of the, like national,
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the rocky movement and movement on the us. and this is the most recent that of the station. i think the supporters of the, of the, for the are a sample of how the majority of iraqis feel about the cut on. but it, because situation iraq that gentlemen to the production to this functionality of the system and there are. busy cause for a complete, you know, the whole of the, of the system not just fight over who's the next prime minister it's, it's the biggest question, the question of governance, question presentation. and the question of how to fix many of the root causes that had led the country. all right, i'm just saying, you know, even the fight over who's next time is about how about who's the next president. i have to have a president in order to have a prime minister. all right, so the whole system was broken down. has it not? it has. i mean honestly, if you ask me,
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i think the system has been broken for over 2 decades. it hasn't seemed to work from the beginning. but yes, the fact that we have to have a president who could this a prime minister was, and hendo parliament to sidney and who have run these, you know, like an ancient behind closed doors. have dr. present that the will of the people they have not present the interest of their occupant and they have been beholden to foreign like you're on will be with over 40 years. so this is a presentation of a lot of them so that her, me yes, i have a lot here because yes, go ahead. so i, i agree with what i'm saying, of course, but i think that the reason why, why this crisis happening now, why it seems to depart from previous ones. and especially from the machine protests, is actually that these demonstrations are very much and driven for sure. there are
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people in the streets that are able to voice their frustration as well. but the reason why they're occupying parliament right now is because for those has encouraged us. and i think that at the moment the tensions are playing out our type of show force on part of. ready political lead that are no longer able to come to a consensus, like they have done every election since 2005. and so that was the one we can say that in a way instigated not. and i'm really excited that i can, i just push it for a moment cuz i want our audience to be almost up to speed as you will or the outside or so we put together some, some points, but can you add to them as we share them with our audience about him, so they know a little bit more about where we come from. why he's so important in this
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conversation. so we thought with him being a populous sheer leader, what more do you want to add to that? sure. so, i mean, the reason why within this, what we in iraq sometimes called the sheer house, why solder kind of stands apart from many of the other. she leaders is really his, his background. so 1st of all, he is the son of a very then influential cleric. he is one himself. and although he might not have the credentials for being a grand total of for him. so he has great political ambitions, as we have seen. and the other main difference is also that, apart from the others, many of whom, during the saddam regime, spent years in exile, whether we're in iran or the or the west fathers family were largely remaining in iraq. and so he also draw his populist credentials from from this context. ok. he's
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also, i would say the, the one sheet leader that probably has the most loyal base. and the reason for that is because many of his voters, for his constituents come from a very poor, kind of socio economic background. all right, let me just bring back a mom a mom you've been reporting from the parliament building. and i want to go by your twitter feed because the pictures you've been taking a fascinating so he won't quit. i've got saturdays, establish service pants to provide food and drink for a sit in front of parliament building. it seems that it's going to be going on or taking days, and these pictures are fascinating. this is not an accidental fitting. there's a plan here tell us more about the protesters and who is citing with outsider and also counter protests at the same time.
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one other, i think he is the only the only man in the country. i want to ride his follower. the ports are like the porter. and if you ask them to throw that in the river, that will do this is how i felt when i'm a mall, his supporters and all the i would say he's the only one has sort of puerto and, you know, the, the process started around 9 30 in the morning we, i was, well then i'll be break and the may, you will 101030. and. and so the pipe is really hot. kelsey was almost degree and i promise you inside the green
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zone, there was no, was the bucket of water. i don't know how people divide was just little was there or you know, like it was that the all the access or who would only actually was there. sorry. and it was eating that day to basically each other is the organization is the one of the most powerful medical you have so many you and you has a profession joining us, for example, it has 100 provi thousands of the procession that as being for the days it is super super organized and i want to go back to the point that we started with is that a rocks government be unbroken. it's not able to be forward. it's not able galvan.
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what does that mean? right? i'd love you to have a listen to ma saying they spoke to us a little bit earlier about the impact of that being no government for at least 10 months. and many would argue that even longer, his mouth saying at the end of her video, which you respond, there has been to that a government for 10 months. and that has had a huge impact on the everyday life and citizens on the ways in which it has impacted citizens is that the government hasn't been able to provide better services to work on issues of unemployment and already that continue to accumulate and make life difficult for iraqis, in addition to those issues of foreign policy, because their up doesn't have a government, they are unable to put on a unified response to incursions on sovereignty. as we saw happen to the bombings in northern iraq to all of these points. all of the points are valid. the counter point is that iraq also has
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a dysfunctional government that is unable to put the unified voice again for the pension or domestic challenges. even at the time that the rock has a prime minister and the president. and we saw that the 2 decades in the country has been one of the most cut off to the entire world according to the transparency transpose. the national index of production has produced more than 2 trillion dollars of oil in the last 2 decades to trillion dollars. but more money than, you know, most of the whole combined producing any sort of resources and, but there are suffering with no basic services. no electricity, no water, no education, health care. so, so, i mean, i think to this, i think the, the get in government is valid, but the govern government is not coming up. no worse. it's coming out. iraq, he's getting the point where they are asking for change. they understand if there
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is a new prime minister with us, that the school situation will continue to be the same as it was. and then after that we just bring in the voice of shake alley was he is, he's famous as a protest that he's been, but i think for many years he's now 18 years old and he explains why he continues to go out of her test. i'll let him explain that. that's one point for why the government in iraq is broken his, his perspective. oh, it doesn't know how people have been destroyed since 2003 and until this day, nothing has changed. politicians have not made any reforms. human beings should use their brains. i say to our brothers in the parliament and the leaders, please use your brains. the people suffer from unemployment and a lack of health services. nothing has changed since 2003, nothing. i have participated in every protest. i rose you ma'am?
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you can hear his frustration right there. i want to bring in another area of concern for why iraq is not working. and that is in fighting between cheer politicians. but he can you explain to us why that is such an important factor right now in government not being able to be full properly? well, the main reason for that is that this time when we have elections in october 2021, it was based on a new election law that some parties did not read very well in terms of what the outcome of that system would be. so the one who would benefit from that was the southern party that came off, highest was $74.00 seats. and then was also a sunni alliance. and the biggest kurdish party, the k d p. and the rival sheer fractions among which the former prime minister, nordic, and monarchy one some over 30 seats, but was,
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was way off from, from the number of sheets that he is able to, to garner in the past. and the reason for this is that the sheer house has expanded inside parliament over the last few years. and especially due to the war on i'm says that so several parties, late paramilitary groups come in to, to the political scene. and so now you know, the amount of actors, they're trying to share the cake of state revenue, because this is really what it is about. what martine was talking about was, i was mentioning, the reason why the oil money does not benefit the people is because all political actors in a while use government and parliament as a way of expanding their own patronage networks. usually they've been dividing government or cabinet sheets among them in order to get access to ministries
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from which they can extract revenues. well, you know, siphoning off a big deal of it was giving only very little to the people and then on top of that, not investing in infrastructure that iraq bad leanings such as electricity such as health care. but i mean what i very enlightening and in a way, listening to this man is that there's also in this crisis, which is a political one among lead, more than anything else. and one, specifically i would say between for them and his, his main rival newly a key is that they're also taking advantage of people's frustration. ok, this is a way for people to voice their grievances from inside the part of the building. but the reality is that this time around the demonstrations are not instigated, you know, organically, from the bottom which we saw in 2019, for instance. this is a way for, for the to say that this is a people's religion which it is not really,
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this is a way for him to escalate the situation. these are the, his, his rivals after he would do his parliamentarians without actually violence, at least so far. and so what was the venge other end of this? it was just that event of his rival, this is exactly what it was. i can tell you it was personal hatred between him and molly and this reflected all the on the street. the also can call it a game of this. i'm sorry to say that, but it's exactly what happened. i think. yeah, i mean, i think that's one of the main reason. alright,
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i love it when to rains well together. but let me be the conversation topic here like heave go head and then a mall. come back to you. he go ahead. sorry. i guess i, i just wanted to give some more context i'm on is absolutely right, but this is what is playing out now is really the tension between them and monkey. but really the trigger of it is what happened in, in the few days in a few weeks prior to him calling for, for the 1st demonstration on wednesday. and that was 1st an audio week from us. suppose a conversation between monday can someone where he is literally accusing further of plotting state takeover. and then the 2nd thing, the so called framework parties. so the other parties that are on the other side of whether that but for the so called check coordination framework, they decide when he put it, which is hard, it is hard to follow in
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a very short conversation was the main point. you want to make an a sentence before i move on. go ahead. the main point is that they nominated prime ministerial candidates mohammed through dani that is rejected by father. and would they not have done that? we might not have seen this escalation. big thought that they could count out further from the political process. got it. i am going to go back to via his twitter account, which is while this is a historic picture, got a chance to sit on the main table of parliament speaker. i sat silently in the middle of huge chaos in that kyle, in this perhaps people's revolution. are you hearing suggestions, ideas for government reform? well, i have no us plenty moments anyway, but i have get so many command on the, even on my facebook,
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he did. and unfortunately, no one is telling me to go ahead. i mean, he said yes, but the majority of people said, this is the corrupt position. these are we was, there's a way i'm, i don't need to run for office. could you be the solution to iraq's issues? i will definitely the news you for the kelsey i it's impossible. unfortunately, i would say that the majority of the people who actually educated enough who has, who has the sense of responsibility for their own people are not really good. this is one of our brought in to the, the good people. they just know a far from like election a because they feel it's dominated by 2
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and a. yeah, i, i hear that that's not, that's not uncommonly politics globally, particularly for iraq. i, i on stand for this particular moment where can't get a prime minister right now. i have once it all here, right? and i hope you will help us just wrap up the show with this. what is the best case scenario for iraq right now? is a question that comes from the chief watching this discussion, right? and then the answer will take 2 hours, but in a nutshell, i would say the how about 2 minutes i'm giving you 2 minutes, right? can you do it? i can book my dog. i'm talking to the dc, so i would say like in 2 minutes that would have been asking for, for the last 2 decades is very clear. it's not confusing. it's not the utopian. it occupies the needs. and she and christians and couldn't have been asking for the
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key demand and corruption and security and some of the country that are very clear road maps out there that were published over and over again by you know, multiple iraq just about society and political peters and listening to what there are 2 people. one is the best case scenario. anything, the stadium divisions and quarter system is the risk of getting rid of the contract . politicians will get paid tens of thousands of dollars a month without living in the country. is the best case scenario scenario. it's very curious and the roadmap to move your rock in the, in the right direction is key. and i think the to be who are supported by iran in the u. s. and sometimes so that in this struggle and new but a countries and they have to go, they have to let go. busy of controlling the country for their own or something trust and you know, move away and cooper site and left the country the way that will actually present the will mitchell to k. right. and i'm
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a lucky thank you so much right now and the current new cycle for audi 0. we are covering the city and empowerment in iraq's parliament building. and now you've had some added information. how to understand the situation much better. let me give you one more place to visit and that is the twitter account of our 3 guests, right? ama a lackey. thank you for your conversations and your questions on you chip. i will see you next time. thanks for watching. take everybody. ah. talk to al jazeera, we ask for the rebound, you speak of his clearly come get a high cost for airlines and the industry what's going wrong? we listen your heart of the i'm struggling in the 19 seventy's if you have any
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