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there's been renewed fighting in the disputed in a corner car back region. that's despite a ceasefire signed 2 years ago. but will the truth hold? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim jerome, armenia, and as they are by john are blaming each other for renewed fighting near the disputed region of nagondo carbon. the area is recognized as part of his air by john, but it's mostly controlled by ethnic armenians. the latest violence has triggered calls for calm from russia, nato, and the european union, as they are by john's military says car by fighters targeted its positions in a district under the supervision of russian peacekeepers to car box troops. and an as air by johnny soldier were killed. i go no car box leader then announced
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a partial military mobilization. as air by john accused armenia of breaking the 2020 ceasefire. or there were those because the death ella, the republic off as a bizarre, has repeatedly stated that the presence of armenian armed forces and illegal armenian armed formations in the territories of other by john, were rushing peacekeepers. a temporarily stationed remains a source of danger. contrary to the joint statement of the militarization of those territories, the complete withdrawal of armenians troops and the disarmament of the illegal armenian armed detachments absolutely necessary, such as armine, as prime minister responded by saying is thereby sean has repeatedly violated the cease fire. nicole passion. yon also criticize the role of russian peacekeepers should monger the kind call for the continuous and deteriorating violations of the sci fi regime. along the contact line, the cases of physically and psychologically intimidating. the armenians of nicole kara back and the presence of peacekeepers are simply unacceptable. becoming very
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necessary to clarify the details of the peacekeeping operation in nicole, no car back, hostility is involved involving a going car back go back decades as thereby john and armenia fought a 6 year war that ended in a cease fire in 1994 in 2016, an outbreak of violence killed dozens of people during 4 days of fighting. while the conflict in 2020 killed more than 5000 people, including both soldiers and civilians. in november that year, a russian brokered cease fire ended the 6 week conflict. russian troops were then deployed in april the armenian, and thereby johnny leaders agreed to hold talks mediated by the you a month later, thousands of armenians protested against their prime minister for making what they called unacceptable. concessions to air by john the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess in yerevan, richard, gregorian director of the regional studies center is stumble. matthew bryson
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a former us ambassador and mediator on the go, no car about conflict. he's also a board member at the jamestown foundation. and in bucko far is it's miles, are they vice rector at the air by john diplomatic academy? a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us on inside story today . far as let me start with you today from your vantage point. has the piece process totally broken down at this point? not totally, but there is a big disappointment because almost 2 years since the end of the war and the peak language, other by john offered armenia, consisting of neutral recognition integrity, the opening of the border. the limitation of the borders has not been accepted by armine armenia, keep delaying the peace process. and no substantial progress has been made on our opening of communication and transport lines, as well as recognition or integrity or was countries. so there is
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a big disappointment in the ball and the frequent violations of ceasefire by illegal armenian troops. most recently, 4 days ago, other by johnny soldier, had been killed. they show that these illegal criminal groups, the legal gangs still call the big spreads to the regional security. so that is the main reason for pessimism and for frustration in baku as well as in many european capital. and richard, from your perspective, do you think that there could be a whole new conflict between armenia and as her by john? and did this latest escalation come as a surprise? well, in many ways, i'm concerned, i'm concerned largely because this represents the most serious escalation. no possibility, since the fragile fees fire of 2020. what worries me as well is the broader context of john's attacks are not limited to targeting armenian forces in newborn
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or car. while this is an algebra, johnny challenge to russia and the presence of the russian peacekeepers, meaning that the implications of a widening of this conflict are significant. nevertheless, armenia, i think, needs to recommit to diplomacy, armenia, and algebra. john need to reassert that. there is no resolution by military force. diplomatic negotiations are the only way forward. matthew, this latest violence has triggered calls for calm from russia, from nato, from the european union. what steps can be taken now to de escalate the situation that mean those parties are almost always calling for escalation and getting back to negotiation. so specifically, what can happen? well, a, i hope there's a recognition by both sides as you can hear from both parties and richard that you know, we don't want, nobody wants further conflict be as or by john's response or from richard. maybe as
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perspective if they think i was or by john maybe initiated this round of fighting, but it ended and it was limited and condolences to the 3 troops that were killed, but it was, it was limited and quite emphatic. so hopefully this round is finish. so what needs to happen, i think, is that prime minister pushing young needs to feel the political strength to go forward and not only finish implementation of the november 10th cease fire statement, which calls for all the armenian troops to depart calls for many other things too but also to move toward a negotiation on a border, the limitation between us or by john and armine other international border, i mean, and a final peace treaty for a car box to settle the conflict once and for all, i believe that prime minister pushing young really wants to do that as, as do, i believe the president wants to, but as you showed in your, in your opening package, as soon as pushing young said he'd sit hours,
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foreign minister would sit down with his counterpart. there were street protests in armenia. so pushing on has been, he's been painted by his political opposition as was committing treason by agreeing to the fees, fire, and then wanting to move ahead in normalizing relations with officer by john and restoring armenia. transportation contact with us or by john to lead to a state of economic normalcy. so what really needs to happen is that, that political stand off in armenia and he's somehow to get work through richard, let me ask you about something that matthew was just bringing up. there is a lot of anger in armenia, being directed toward prime minister passion yon, there was anger that was being direct toward him even after the cease fire agreement was finalized. because as part of that agreement, armenia had to give up swath of territory that it had controlled for decades. how much anger is still being directed toward the prime minister now? and how much is that impacting his ability to actually finalize a peace agreement? well, in many ways what we see is lingering opposition. yes. but in effective opposition,
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definitely much of the street demonstrations have failed to attract significant numbers. moreover, unlike also john armenia is much more vibrant democracy, armenia, government under prime minister plus union has won reelection and the 2nd free and fair election last summer. there is a rare degree of legitimacy in armenia, which does reassure and also gives us hope to find a negotiated way out of this crisis. far is where things stand right now when it comes to the government of his heir by john when it comes to signing a final piece agreement. what is the stance of the government? i think the vision that by jenny government has and has be clear since 2020 is that the region should be original piece security corporation, mutual integration of economies. that's why other budget offered armenia to open
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the communication lines. transport lines, other by john, is investing a lot of the construction of liberated areas. many railways, airports are being billed. so the reason is that we should achieve a long lasting and durable piece, but unfortunately, there are obstacles. field ahead was one of them is that steel, illegal armenian troops are located in areas which are controlled by these capers. and the 2nd problem is that armine ready to be tricky. so these are the problems that are you a heads up in other budgeting? see, think that pete street should be signed and that borders should be opened and trade and communication lines should be restored. in fact, if you look at the infrastructure, other by john already finished many highways and railways, but armenians still keep delaying. the construction on their own was richard. i tell you are reacting to some of what far as i was saying there, did you want to jump in? well, yes, i do wanna offer one clarification. busy the armed forces,
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the military units present in the gordon car, a boss are not under the control. ready or command of armenia proper. these are local units of the democratically elected and bought a car about leadership. so there is an important distinction. it's also a recognition of the limits of arminian influence and control. what we're focused on in armenia is much more the implementation of the terms of the cease fire agreement as a foundation for eventual peace treaty or agreement. but it's difficult to disagree with for ease because we share the same goals and objectives, a regional peace and stability. nevertheless, i do think the recent attacks, the recent fighting in the past days have only demonstrated the imperative for greater engagement by the west, by the european union to facilitate diplomatic engagement between armenia and also
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john. and i do think the blaming, the victim approach will not work as far as i saw you just now reacting to what richard was saying. so i'm going to give you a chance now to go ahead and jump in. yes, i just wanted to say that it's not true that the forces in color are only belonging to local population. there's many evidences that bosses and other drug accept transporting armenian soldiers from republican bar. menia took on a block and even some of those videos showed that or soldiers themselves, acknowledging that. so this is not exactly true that colonel block is fighting for it for its own. and then also the soldier that as a budget, a soldier that was killed 4 days ago, this is the one, this is what triggered the response from other by any side. so these shootings in violations are constantly happen towards other by johnny serviceman, as well as other by janet civilians doing the construction work in matthew,
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there are analysts who have said that while russia has the most influence in attempting to keep the peace in the region, its resources are being stretched because of the war in ukraine. has the russian peacekeeping effort in the corner car about been impacted by the war in ukraine. and if so, how much? yeah, i think it has to have that. i mean, it's difficult to measure something that you know, i lack of, of activity or lack of further conflicts, right. and to quantify that, but you know, rushes reputation has been devastated as a mediator. right? i mean, if it has invaded not only ukraine twice recently, but also neighboring georgia, it's prestige as a, as a peacemaker or piece keeper is, is quite diminished. already. russian peacekeepers have a terrible reputation from the way they behaved in georgia and mold over where they've they stirred titian rather than kept the piece. and they've been creating pieces of countries rather than piece. having said that,
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i think the russian peacekeepers have performed pretty well. so far, there was an instance shortly after the right after the november 2020 c's fire statement that could have spun out of control and russian forces redeployed and were able to defuse the situation. but yeah, the russian military is terribly stretched. and as we know, your estimates are that of the 150000 troops that were arrayed against ukraine as of february 24th 75000 have suffered casualties. according to the british ministry of defense, either deaths or injuries in russia has been moving troops from, from the far east into ukraine. so of course, that that has an impact on how robust the russian peacekeeping operation could be. but again, it's done a pretty good job. i think it would be great though, if maybe the turkish presence was augmented in terms of keeping eyes and ears on the russian forces. you know, there's a very small russian hard your turkish peacekeeping contention in i've done it
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a joint peacekeeping observation center. and i think also it's really important that the european union plays an increasingly significant role in the negotiations between the leadership. even if not in peacekeeping, will matthew, you know, you bring up the, you there, and of course the you is presenting itself as a potential mediator. in fact, in may the hosted armenian prime minister nichol passion, yon, and as there by johnny president ill. hm. aaliyah in brussels, that was the 2nd time that they'd been hosted there for talks on how to avert future clashes. do you believe that there were encouraging signs that came out of those talks? yeah, there definitely was. and it was, you know, it looked like the 2 leaders of the armenian azerbaijan, you know, found a certain degree of chemistry and wanted to move ahead with the various agreements after november 2020, in particular, an agreement from january 11th, 2021. that called for joint projects, infrastructure projects to be developed jointly among azerbaijan,
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armenia and russia. but then there was the backlash in armenia. richard is right that, that armenia is a vibrant democracy that nichol pushing yon was, or his political movement won a resounding victory a year ago in june, which helped him consolidate his strength against his opponents. but none the less, precisely because armine is a vibrant democracy. there are these forces in armenia that still, they haven't quite, some haven't quite come to grips with the fact that this, this military conflict is over. and it's time to move forward as all wars end with a diplomatic negotiation and a lasting, hopefully, a lasting peace. richard, what do you think about how effective the you can be in all this i'm, i mean, can they be particularly effective if they don't have any presence on the ground? well, to be honest, they already have been effective. the you has been able to not mediate, facilitate providing a platform for armenia and also by john to engage. and fortunately you engage ment
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is much less provocative. been say us and gauge been ordinator were expansion in terms of the russian reaction. and in this context, where we're going in terms of host war stability is an endorsement of you principles of engagement connectivity, a peaceful resolution to inherently political conflicts. so i think the, you and only the e u is best positioned to leverage the synergy of political will going forward. what's most important, though, i do think is the need to engage diplomatically with the argument in the border. horrible, for example, armenia, algebra, john's bilateral issues are important, but quite separate from the security and safety of the armenians in the border carwash. so i do think we need to broad and deep and the piece process for is i
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want to take a step back and look for a moment with you at the russian peacekeeping efforts. how effective do you, do you think that they have been thoroughly, they have been quite effective, i would say, because they are helping to preserve stability and security and not a huge you know, not many huge cases of violations of fire uptake and play. but of course they were some question to them as well, from other by joining side, for example, when some illegal armenian soldiers were transported from armenia, republican armenia. it has been disappointing to see that the russian peacekeepers law that they had also been some high level politicians, including given french presidential candidates who have managed illegally to visit the car boss. this is not very welcomed by other by john other, but john, consider that these are part of the integrity and therefore ration peacekeepers
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should by, by international law. well, i believe that in the future there will be opportunities to improve their work, go brush and peacekeepers. and most importantly, in terms of making sure that illegal armenians of groups and let the 3 groups will be finally withdrawn from the car box. as it is, the belated by november, fire agreement, or try level statement of the leaders f r e is if i could just follow up with you. you know, you have on the one hand or what the russians are doing. and then you have these mediation attempts by the you, the fact that there seem to be dual tracks right now. does that complicate the situation more? not so much. i would say they complement each other because you're mostly over the financial and economic incentives. they're hoping package for the construction of the area of them and then the mining activities truck building activities are issues related to you for your developing order delineation russians are more
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focusing on hard security and, and making sure that the violations of the fire don't take place so i think they're mutually complimentary even rushing me to a point that they don't feel any, let's say danger or hesitation. why you involvement? so i think that they're both positive trucks. at the same time, richard looked at me like you were nodding along a moment ago. did you want to jump in? yes, i agree with far is very much because what we see is a unique paradox. where despite russian aggression, despite russia's unjustified invasion of ukraine, its previous invasion of georgia, what the russian peacekeepers represent is a rare guarantee of security and safety on the ground. we, you engaged in what we also see to use for uses words, a complimentary, not a contradictory approach. because you engage ment will only tend to legitimize what
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was a unilateral russian peacekeeping deployment. because after all, even the cease fire agreement was crafted by russia and imposed by russia. nevertheless, it's the best we have on the ground. matthew, how much concern is there right now that the fighting could get worse and, and how unstable might things get in, in the region if, if that plays out that way. personally, i'm not so concerned that it's going to this fighting is going to spin out of control. i think that neither president leave nor prime minister pushing on want that to happen. i think pushing young wants to desperately to do well what, what richard has been kind of suggesting which is have car boss be gaining some sort of a legal status at some negotiated table that is other than unequivocally part of us or by john this, this is the core of what remains to be negotiated from us or by john's perspective, that's impossible. the military phase of the war ended, and there was
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a possibility for the status of nicole car about to be on the table. and prime minister pushing on didn't agree to that, but now pushing on, i think is saying, well, we do want to negotiate that. and as well as, by the way, the french foreign minister on the day that i was or by john signed the cease fire statement, said the same thing, that status ought to be back on the table. so this is the big issue. i think it's a political legal issue. i don't think either side wants to resume a large scale military operations. but there are those who wish to stir the pot. russia is not among those. and the national leaders, i think of armenian as or by john or not among those people. so matthew, if both sides, as you said, you know, really are eager to eventually find some kind of treaty or formal peace agreement. why had been so difficult to try to, you know, broker this? i think it's simply the case that there is fear on the armenian leadership side,
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that there's such a maybe not huge as richard was saying. but vocal opposition, that even has included physical threats. the passion in survival, where he is deemed again to be a traitor to armenia for having signed the agreement. so you'll remember back in early ninety's, there was a horrible incident when there were also, there was some movement toward a car box settlement where there was an assassination on the floor of the parliament of armenia. that led to the that's some of the been prime minister and speaker of parliament. so it was our meeting politics can get quite dicey. and i think even though the national leader might want to move ahead, he knows his history. he's being careful. matthew, just also very quickly, i mean, you ultimately think that this will be finalized and that this, you know, a treaty will actually be fine. i do think so. i don't know when, though the timing depends entirely on how quickly the national debate in armenia moves ahead to one of saying ok, the war is over. we need to settle once in for all and integrate our economy back
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into the region versus those who say we will never give up. it's humiliation to even believe that we would trade the blood of our fall and compatriots and the end the, the, the independence or the sovereignty of car box for some economic benefits. that debates still us to play out in armenia. but i think the momentum is moving in favor of a peace treaty, as evidenced by a pushing young political victory in last june's a year ago. jones parliamentary elections. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave our conversation there today. thanks so much. all of our guests richard gear go see and matthew prizes and fairies is miles id. and thank you for watching because the program again, any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are at a j inside story for me, how much i'm german, the entire team here, and uh huh. bye for now. the
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