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to transform but the incoming president has managed to build a broad congressional coalition and appointed mother it internationally recognized officials to key economic posts. that's still, observers say none of it will be easy. you know, almost, we've been trying to pass these reforms for many years. now there's a real opportunity, but it's a very complicated moment. there are very little resources available. the outgoing government left nothing due to the pandemic. and there's an international economic crisis. sen, gustavo, believer, when a patron closest allies, his, their supporters will need to be patient. but this is the number that the one when you generate so much expectation it is very easy to for, we need to teach people that we can't do things quickly, especially in a country with so many issues like columbia is a crisis at all levels, deficits at all levels, but we must show the country in the 1st 100 days, that changes on the way. and one way will be to fully implement the 2016 piece deal
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and stock negotiations with the remaining criminal group. you know, who was our better and ready made history winning the election. the question now is if you will be able to translate that victory in transforming the government of a country, longing for change. allison and jesse with the i take you through some of the headlines here now just here are now there are reports of an imminent sees fire in gaza between israel and palestinian islamic jihad, egyptian mediators say both sides of agreed to a truce. there's been no confirmation of that from either the palestinians. all these railways, it comes on the 3rd day of these ready military offensive. at least 41 people have been killed more than 200 injured. earlier a stomach, you had fighters launched
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a barrage of around a 100 missiles towards southern israel in response to the killing by israel is one of its leaders. so for the loot has more from garza that the garza crossings added. oh, for an individual, for an unfathomable salem and the roads for goods are closed $4.00 to $6.00 days now, which means that garza is about to look to run out of the basic essential foods, including her food, her cooking, oil, or patrol and other official elements for needed for the daily life. taiwanda defense ministry says its detected dozens of warships and aircraft in and around the straight. china has been holding military exercises near the island for a 4th day. the drills were in response to the visit to taiwan by u. s. how speak and nancy pelosi,
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mexico and venezuela have sent support cruise to cuba after, as appealed for international help to fight a fire. ethanol depot. one body has been recovered from the site more than a 120 people have been injured. 17 firefighters missing ukraine's president is accused moscow of nuclear, tara, after shelling as a plant in russian occupied territory. the head of the un atomic watch dog has worn damage to these upper regime. that plant could cause a nuclear disaster. it's inside story. now the news continues the top, the our news news news is really or strikes kill more civilians in
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gaza. palestinian leaders say the cycle of violence needs to end. so what's needed to deliver permanent piece. and how does this latest round of attacks jeopardize mediation efforts made so far? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm daddy, you navigate. israel has carried out a 3rd day of air strikes on garza. the military says it's targeting the positions of arm groups including palestinian islamic jihad, but it's civilians who are bearing the brunt of the worst violence in the last years. 11 day war, dozens of people including children have been killed since friday. that's when israel launched the attacks to prevent the islamic jihad for retaliating. after the arrest of one of his commanders and the occupied west bank,
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the arm group is fired more than $500.00 rockets into israel, palestinian prime minister. how much day it says the cycle of violence must stop. i know how the one with the cutter who sent me this happens once a year, every few months. the aggression on gaza. this aggression should stop once and for all why we cannot just the sloane to stop one aggression so the israel can carry out another aggression later. and this should be referred to the international criminal court. and the fall this on the table in front of the international criminal court. well, let's take a look at some of the efforts to end. the violence and egyptian intelligence delegation visited israel on saturday before traveling to gaza on sunday. cuts are a mediator in last year as conflicts have spent billions of dollars helping to rebuild gaza. it has reaffirmed support for palestinians while calling for international pressure on israel to stop attacking civilians. the u. s. department says it stand by israel's right to defend itself. other countries,
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including morocco and the united arab emirates, have previously offered to help mediate between the israelis and the palestinians. ah, let's bring in our guest. joining us from dublin is the asset and who is an academic and specialist on that is really palestinian conflict in cambridge, boston. is that the hoody a professor at the american university of bay, ruth and a senior fellow at the harvard kennedy school. and joining us from washington, d. c is down our belt scholar and residence at the center for is really studies at the american university dance. also a former is really diplomatic negotiator in the israel syria piece talks warm welcome to you all. thanks so much for joining us on insight story. yes of us are over in dublin you say that if we see some sort of ceasefire or mediation agreement, it will be similar to previous agreements. you say that the short term views are the real problem. can you explain that thought process?
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yes, course, i think, as i said before, what we have seen in recent years is short term agreements. but to address the core issues in terms of palestinian rights in terms of national rights in terms of the wind, its way to kind of thing and conflict that what we're seeing recently in terms of gaza is a special focus on human history and is a special focus on short term security and a focus on the fraction which hasn't been read happening in the recent years. so as a result, the core issues including policy and you arrive and using just the, including the nation, 3, the end of occupation in the tide. all of those issues haven't been addressed in those mediation, short term agreements, and therefore,
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i think the issues are going to continue. the conflict is going to continue, or what we have seen as well on their shirt that only a short term process in terms of managing this issue. but we also have seen we have seen that the process itself, mediation has focused on conflict management, conflict resolution. and therefore from my perspective, those short term agreements and conflict management processes will not produce effective results in the long term. and i mean, who can you weigh in on the if you say that any mediation tries to return calm to the gaza strip. but calm, according to you is an unacceptable situation. tell us why. of course, calm is a siege. restrictions are israelis shooting, killing palestinians, arresting people at will,
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stopping the fishermen from working in the c. m. and it's a total low seat situation, which is a function of the long term relationship between israel and zionism on one hand and the palestinian people on the other. so calm is not something that the palestinians see as a long term at watson. of course, in the short term, it is very good to stop the killing and the fighting and the shooting on both sides or whoever is and wow a, but this happens regularly because the underlying issues are not addressed out the egyptian government. it's fascinating that it's the security intelligence agencies in egypt that are in charge of this. so this is a security issue for egypt. fact, everything's a secure issue for each of the, like most are countries and the is that the gypsies are doing a good job and trying to stop the actual destruction and killing them, but not doing anything more than that in terms of a longer term,
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the horizon of some expectation that the palestinians can live with decent life and when they have the same rights to statewood and sovereignty in peace and security of the israelis though with the exceptions, do this because it, it makes them look good with so many audiences that are important to them, they are their own population of the american government up front. so the israel government of deals with them are the palestinian population. so if each of can project itself somebody who's trying to reduce the suffering of people and gazda, it resonates with a bunch of different audiences that are important to forward. so this is typical of the situation where our governments use the palestine issue for their own purposes . while same time, egypt of course, controls the southern gates of a gas as compared to with israel in the siege of gas. right?
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and egypt, of course, being one of the mediators currently trying to, to, to mediate some sort of truce done, or bell, to what extent do you think israel is looking for a way out day 3 of the talks on gaz. other have been more than $500.00 rockets fired at israel. sirens heard and tell a vive i believe that to israel would be looking favorably at going for a truce, a cease fire. i believe that israel has achieved most of its goes in the operation and launched on friday. and i think that with israel needs now is security guarantees that none of jihad will not be. you know, once a truce is agreed, the will be violated by these on jihad and rockets would be fired again from the gaza strip into israel. i think that there is a good chance to cease fires around the corner. and unfortunately,
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this is something that we've been seeing year after year or year in year out, and there is no military solution to this issue. i think it's only diplomatic solution to this issue that could pay the way for a long term arrangement where, where, where there's come, there is no violence and that both sides tend to their own issues rather than focus on confronting one another. right. so then the israeli army had previously said that actually there are currently no negotiations with islamic jihad over a cease fire. i mean is that just for the public's consumption? then i think that over the years there's never been direct negotiations between israel, hamas, and previous confrontations, or with israel and islamic jihad, it's always done through 3rd parties. and as my previous speak,
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the previous speaker noted the gyptian role. the contrary role, there are other un other actors that are stepping in and trying to broker sees fire between is run is done and you have a do not believe that there is a direct contact or talks between his run his stomach. john, yes, you were mentioning a moment ago that the cycle of violence will continue if, if the issues at stake are, are not really addressed. i mean, it's such a big question to you, but what needs to be done for the issues to be addressed so that the cycle of violence does not happen over and over. i don't think i was talking about the cycle of violence. those talking about issues with issues need to be address that it's important that they are a threat. we're talking about continuing israeli occupation. we're going the we're talking about god that being under siege for
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a long time. that's important. remember, we're talking about 50 percent of the hope, elation and god that we're living on here. when we're talking about people in jerusalem being effected out of their homes being forced out of their own. we're talking about the finance as well as facing discrimination. and so for me, this is a question of these right of our occupation that needs to be addressed in order to have just and know or to have just be on an order to have security for a whole for all people living in the region. your read us to speak, i was talking about security guarantees. israeli is looking for in terms of gather what about security guarantees for kind of thing. and so i've been going in the occupation for more than 60 years. what about security guarantees for gather,
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for people in guys who have been receiving their rockets and civilians who are losing their, their, their security on their lives. are really what about security for punish thing on the west bank of it's jerusalem. so they respected on being a security is not recognized while the respective on these security is recognized. and therefore that speaks to an important issue, which is the power relationship between palestinians and israelis. and israel continues to be a powerful, powerful countries continues to be continued to how powerful military continue to enjoy support from the united states and, and the palestinians. i'm not talking to them. i'm not talking about them a victim. but the reality is they are living on those railey and israeli regina apartheid occupation. and this needs to be addressed and then is it ultimately
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about the occupations? yes, it is saying, and also i mean multiple human rights organizations including human rights watch in 2021 describing israel, systematic oppression, and institutional discrimination against palestinians amnesty international as well in 2022, calling israel as apartheid against palestinians accrual system of domination ultimately is it about the occupation the 1st of all, i'd like to say that gaza is not under israeli occupation. israel left the gaza strip in 2005 bowing not to come back. and so since 2005 to 17 years, israel is not been inside guys or not anti data, but certainly controls the land sea and air doesn't not correct. so. so what, what, what i'm getting at is, and as i believe that the 2 state solution is the way forward is the way to resolve is really posted in conflict. having a state of israel living side by side with
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a palestinian future palestinian state in peace. and security, and once you know that, that happens, then all these issues would be on the table including the end of occupation, including other aspects of borders, settlement security, and then it could be those issues can be address. but let's not forget that. who is the aggressor here and having the palestinian islamic jihad holding the entire population of southern israel as hostage threatening to fire rockets and okay, actually doing that. and so no, no, no normal country could allow itself to actually allow this to happen. and so it will have to respond as well, how to launch this preemptive strike erode to deal with this issue. and let's talk about as long as you hide, there are no mothers the reasons they are a terrorist organization backed by iran and bowing to destroy the state of israel. so israel has the right to defend itself, has the right also to worry about security. and i agree that poston security is
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important and should be addressed as well. i mean, would you like to weigh and i for you. want to please go ahead to comment. i'm sort of presented a very sophisticated, impressive presentation is really propaganda. i'm speaking points which i've been swallow brookline and there by the american government, the british government, them of those around the region. they idea that all they want is peace and no rockets out of gas. it sounds good, but the reality is that groups like i want to have like how much like bone like the ring of fetish like the p, f o, p d, f o p, and previous militant left wing groups in the 60 seventy's and eighty's every one of these palestinian resistance movements and palestine are outside, came about as a response to continued as rarely attacked occupations. subjugation of fort hood,
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racism, imprisonment, expulsion chilling arrest. i mean, it's incredible that they israelis on zionism for a 100 years able to deal with the reality of palestinian nationalism and sovereign rights and post on the, even though he says i'm, i'm happy to hear him say that he would like to stay solution, which is what i work for my life, i was born in 48 and this is great to hear, but it is not what the israeli government, those are. there's not what the american government does. the reality of these reach one after the other emerging. there wasn't brothers. the harass and all these names, but cheap emerging. that in fact, many of them came out of jobs, which is fascinating as i was an, has been the incubator. but i was in the nationalism resistance a militant resistance for about the last 50 or 60 years. it's always a response to what the israel is doing. so this cycle has to be seen as
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a cycle in which the israel is from zionism or doing terrible things. and the palestinians are responding and they do the terrible thing sometimes when they fire missiles, they used to do a bomb, bombs, and buses. and feller b, both sides have used different tactics. so we can criticize. but the main thrust of why this continues is because of the way the zionism when the israel government continue to apply their policy as well. kind of sizing them in the space sophisticated public relations approach that doesn't work anymore. so the whole basically accept the american presidency. a few people in congress, people in england running for prime minister, this individual will repeat these lines. israel has a right to defend itself, but the majority of public opinion around the world is saying, we want equal rights, or israel isn't palestinians. and that means reality. not frederick. and i hope we can move from rhetoric to reality, posted in a,
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put the cards on the table anytime for a 2 state solution. but the, the israel is on the americans and others do not respond. ok, just back to the issue of the egyptian mediation. he said, i was mentioning this just a few moments about the role that egypt has been playing historically. but for palestinian factions, how important is egypt as a partner? obviously it's a geographical proximity must play a part year. egypt is of importance or from a point from its geopolitical point of view. also from any kilometer on egypt continues to enjoy buddy strong relations with the policy. and faction continues to enjoy a strong relationship with the palestinian authority with hamas and also with israel. indeed with united states. so israeli, sorry, we get in the region of the player and it's a significant layer how the gyptian mediation is important for 2 factors or for 2
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reasons. one, and it has a strong relationship with his way and so. so egypt can communicate with israel messages and can also manage talks in terms of the thing as they can. they have a strong relationship with them up and continues to be a significant player. and yadda. and i think both the ad is right in front of the thing in, sorry, trust egyptian mediation, and you just continue to enjoy enjoy group relations that also continues to enjoy and support in terms of its mediation efforts. also, let's not forget that egypt has, am direct borders with gather of egypt continues to console. fact crossing,
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which is a major border between the outside world. and egypt also continues to support the human material into gala. but let me just go back to the main point that i made air there, which is all be short term agreements will not be successful. as long as we do not address 1st of all, kind of conciliation, it needs to be rest and supportive. secondly, the israeli gene of our time is not your base you, but the funds have been living under 940. if this system isn't addressed, this aggressive system and policy is not that address where are likely going to see more aggression, more violence, and also more civility over the coming years, right? and as long as we can continue to support it and not to support a political supplement,
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we're going to see more more instability as well over the coming years down here, a former diplomat and the negotiator as well. from your point of view, what does this mediation actually achieve? i mean kyra has attempted several times egypt as well as others have attempted several times to to push for some sort of reconciliation process between israel and at the time it was. huh. so so i think that israel and egypt of the close coordination and secure relationship between the security, establish monks, and so israel trusts egypt in that regard. and also as the israel has been working with the special kentoria in boy to gaza of over the years. and so i believe that israel sees the gyptian options, egypt, and channel as the best way to try and resolve the the outstanding issues and to reach, assist by egypt, has proven over the last several years of
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a previous conflict. it's able to deliver when it comes to bringing the palestinian side to the table or to, to agree to the conditions of the truce, perhaps excessive dan, but we're talking here about sort of long term solutions. correct? so, so, you know, the issue is that none of the parties are looking long term and that's a problem. there's a problem that israel's not looking long term, egypt and the students for sure not looking for long term. and if you don't look for long term, it's a problem because each every few months or every few years, you face the same problem again and again. and i think it's an issue of leadership . i think it's an issue political circumstances that, that can make this happen, but these have not crystalized yet and it will take time. and unfortunately, innocent people are hurt or losing lives in or just under under threat of violence
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. and until there is a long term approach by all parties, nothing is going to move forward. unfortunately, i'm a hoodie when you look at what's happening right now in gaza from your assess on what kind of intensity and length of conflict could we potentially be seeing? my guess is that the immediate conflict will wind down in the next few days. a mass is unlikely to join in a fight or some of the other smaller or factions. but we'll see it depends what these relas do with israel is go around, killing more people and destroying more infrastructure. and if this hit some of the other, whoops, than you might get an expansion of the actual fighting. but i don't expect that because that fighting has expanded many times in the last 20 years. and it just doesn't solve anything that there is no military solution to this turn, nor is there a solution to the israeli policies of apartheid and seizure restriction and
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dehumanization. the only solution is a negotiated one that gives both people equal rights of statehood. but the most important thing, the israelis, i think, a need to recognize which they probably know deep down better are not able or willing to to admit is that every time they have carried out their policy for what they call mowing the lawn or more in the grass every few years, they attack gasser, they destroy some things. but every time in the wake of that kind of israeli attack, the militant forces in gaza get more public support as they're doing now. as the sunshine had, despite the criticism people north of it is the only group that is now seen to be resisting israel, even though they're not going to liberate palestine. that putting up a show of resistance generates great support for them. and the other thing that happens is they become more technologically sophisticated. if you look at him as an assignment to her than his below, and even the hoodies and,
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and yet when they get support from the iranians and the syrians and other people to help each other. and they have become increasingly more sophisticated to that higher than lebanon. were, was valera and israel have a ceasefire? they're afraid to fight each other because they know there will be massive destruction. so israel has to look at the long term consequence. says of what it does and then look at a piece strategy one day. all right, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. yes. at scott, at army hoody and dan or bell, we thank you so much for your time. thanks for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page dot, facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story to the conversation on twitter or handle is a j inside story for myself and the whole team here and how, thanks for watching a bye for now. the news
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