that's the point these people are out despite the occupation is difficult as it is, the residence of keeps a life goes on. i had to flee to other counties because it was too scary to stay in ukraine. but though i'm back and it's still spooky every day when we have air res everson has changed, but we need to move forward and to leave for the youth of key the rave parties downtown. go on though they now start at 5 p. m. in order to end in time for curfew, ah, amid the fog of war, this celebration, the defiant insistence on living, something like normal life continues. john henderson, al jazeera keith. ah,

hello, this is al desert. these are the top stories and at least 41 people have been killed in a far inside a church in the junction city of jesus, south of cairo. the place broke out is around $5000.00 worshippers gathered inside the i've you say, fiend, church causing stampede. dozens of people were injured. taken to hospital at explosion. as a market in armine as comp would live, your yvonne has killed at least one person more than 20 others have been injured. last occurred in the building in the somali market where fireworks were sold. but it's 15th is the journalist placed in yorba and has the latest on the explosion. a 3 story building has partially collapsed and it's still burning. according to the ministry, the emergency situation, there was a building, a depot, where fire works or parts the fireworks were stored and they believe that that has a that was the cause of the explosion. but again, at this point, i cannot confirm that it is a, a busy market is a sunday afternoon where people,

when people do actually go to the market. and that's why at the moment it's very difficult to give any numbers. but i do suspect that the number of injured will increase and, and not likely the number of killed as well. a man suspected of opening foreign people and vehicles and occupied east jerusalem has hand himself into police. 8 people are injured in the attack on sunday morning. the man is believed to have shot at pedestrians and passengers on a bus and in a car. donald trump is under pressure after reports, his lawyer assigned a statement in june, confirming all classified material had been returned. that could be at odds with this week. seizure of 11 sets of classified documents from his mar, logo, home author salman rushdie is no longer on a ventilator, and he is talking after being stabbed 2 days ago. a man accused of attacking him has been identified as 24 year old heidi matter. he's pleaded not guilty to

attempted murder. pakistan is marking 75 years of independence in karachi ceremony is being held at the memorial for the countries founder mohammed ali, gina, british colonial rule ended in 1947, the partition of india, the formation of pakistan. you're still headlines inside story coming right up. ah, europe suffers in the midst of records, breaking droughts, wildfires, and feat waves. climate scientists say we need to adapt to the new reality. how do we prepare our cities and change our behaviors to cope with extreme weather patterns? this is inside story. ah

. hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. adapting to climate change is no longer an option. it's an obligation. that's the warning from france as green transition minister as people in europe experience record breaking droughts, wild fires, and heat waves. the european drought observatory as recorded water shortages on more than half of the continent. meteorologists have warned this could be the worst route in 500 years. in germany, both levels and the rhine have fallen so low that cargo ships are having to reduce their loads. the lack of rain in italy has devastated agricultural heartland and parts of you k have impose water restrictions where we challenge reports. nice

weather for ducks has what they say in england when it rains while this is anything but it's the driest sama for 50 years grasses shrivelled to straw. the ground has cracked reservoirs and rivers are low, and drought has officially been declared across large parts of england. in some areas there are what companies bringing in place, for instance, temporary use, ban cycled hose, bite bonds. that's the right thing for those companies today where they have particular concerns. and it's a small sacrifice that people to make in order to ensure that we've got adequate water resources next year from space. the park conditions are just as obvious. the picture on the left is july last year, a normal enough summer. on the right, august 2022, from green's to browns and yellows. a couple of months ago where i'm standing now would be in the water line of rush me a pond on wimbledon, come in, but now look at it. you have to go good. 15 or so meters. this way to get to the

new water line. this poland is now little more than a puddle, and this is happening across large parts of the country to with water systems like this. becoming extremely stressed, stressed enough here for the fish to barely have enough water to cover them. it's worrying stuff, any one paying attention. i find a very sad wife i did. did. did you know and made she the ground is so hide, take groups can have the words is nasty around. when you see things that you realize how different is in this gray and the grassy, the worry it stops. last month, england experienced its hottest ever temperature $40.00 degrees. the 10 hottest years since 1884 have all happened since 2002. and none of the coldest this summer may turn out to be an anomaly,

but the data suggests not. and that means more fires, more extreme temperatures and more droughts to come re talents out his era under or hot and dry conditions are fanning the flames of wild fires in france, spain and portugal. hundreds of crews are trying to control a huge blaze. in southwestern france, they use the earth observation programs has last ways of the continent and north africa are at risk of catching fire. ah, let's now bring in our guests all of them joining us from london to day. we have julia bach alexia's visiting senior fellow at the euro, mediterranean center on climate change. clare fall is the co founder of extinction . rebellion that's a movement that advocates for action on climate change. and elan cullman, a professor of disasters and health at university college london. a very warm welcome to all of you,

julie. there have been warnings about climate change for decades, and yet, would it be fair to say that somehow we've been caught off guard by this extreme weather in europe? yes, well, great to be here with you. yes, it's true. we've known that sir. things like this would happen since probably the late seventy's. that was the 1st time we had a report telling us that the climate system would change. and when the climate system changes, extreme events can change you frequency and severity and you know, likelihood that is what we're seeing today. there's probably a signature of our changing climate and the events of this summer. so at one level you might say that we shouldn't have been surprised that this would happen and we should have been prepared. but the reality is that there are 2 things are in on one is the climate system is changing. but the other thing that we're seeing is the failure of the institution is an infrastructure, but we've set in place over the last 100 years to deal with the variability of the

climate system. no drought is an actual phenomenon, but scarcity that, that requires us making some mistakes. and i think what's become evidence the summer is that's the infrastructure that we have in the institutions that we use to manage our resources are simply no longer fit for purpose. if this anomaly is normality of 24 to 4050, then we have to really change that. and we'll certainly get into ways that we need to adapt to the later discussion in festival. could you just expand for us on the far reaching effects that droughts have? because this is something that we're not that used to in europe, as, as julia says, you know, our systems are set up for these kinds of extreme weather. can you just explain to us what a drought is? what it does beyond giving you a brown lawn in your back garden drought is in effect, lack of water, not enough water, but it's not just about rainfall or in other places. snow melt is also about the

amount of wash that we're using or in fact over using so we've known for decades that droughts harton, that's always the case regarding rainfall variations. we've not set up our water systems and our water management system to be able to properly deal with these variations. we have more people. we're using more washer. a lot of the pipes are old in the u. k. and so they are leaking. this means that drought in itself is quite difficult to understand, given the yes, absolutely, the changing rainfall makes a huge difference, as does a heat. because that means the more bar crating, when it comes to actual water use or overuse than we very much need to look to ourselves directly to ensure that we don't cause create a drought and absence of water, no matter what the rainfall is or is not doing and if we do what's going to happen, we're already saying pharma is saying that the yields are going to be down with the

transportation problems in rivers shortage of power supplies produced, expands with what it actually means to be in a state of drought. so this is a challenge, it is going to result in less self tricity. it could be rolling blackouts that could be less supply available. if we turn out to a situation where we cannot use the normal river systems that we use to bring to move food around, then there could be food shortages and supply shortages. it also means that we have to recognize that when we do need to drink lot in the heating humidity, we're continuing to use water. and it is devastating for the farmers who are being hit in so many other ways. they are the ones feeding us. and so it's not just about transporting food, it's all about ensuring that we can grow the food again. so much of this come down to water management. why are we using to make long green with artificial plants

rather than supporting our farmers? why are we so reliant on systems like rivers which fluctuate anyway? recognizing that extreme top and so it really is about long term changes to society . so we live better, healthier and safe, your safer no matter what the water or rainfall does or does not to. so why is it, do you think that we have ignored all the mornings? why have we not set up better water management system? well, i think the 1st thing to say about why we're prepared for this is because there's been a generation long campaign of lies and misinformation to make sure that people don't take this problem seriously. when living in the wake of the success of what fossil fuel sector have done, certainly throughout my lifetime, it's been very difficult to find a space until very, very recent years where people would admit that common changes definitely being caused majority by carbon emissions majority by the fossil fuel cetera,

so that's been a massive problem. but then on top of that, you also have an economic system which is set up to engage in perpetual growth on the finite planet. and that is working alongside an economic political system, sorry, which is short term is by its design. and so, you know, it thinks about him when we 1st came out. i think the lesson known kind of demands of us was for a citizen participation in democracy for citizens assembly, where ordinary people would be furnished with all of the evidence from 360 degrees of all of the issues. and they would be able to design the radical campaign, the radical and policy strategy that you would need to implement rapid, the carbonite ation in a fair and just way and keep everybody as safe as possible and to minimize the risk in the homes. but that we never baked in, and so it's, i would say it's an intersection of multiple systems completely incompatible with solving into, in, in quote, solving. you can't solve this classes. but you know,

it's incoming incompatible with, with dealing with basically do you feel but it was, it has been up to now quite difficult for the general public for all of us to grasp the climate change because it was, it felt like it was some distant threat in the future, it wasn't here and now, but now it is actually here. and now we had from a roy's report, the man saying it starts to hit home when you can actually see what is happening. so you do feel that now it might be a bit easier to force change. well, i think now it's obvious. you know, the, the things that we've been anticipating and people been talking about. yeah, they're here and they're not just here in the world as they have been for a long time in the majority. well, but the here on our doorsteps in europe and in america and so on. so yes, it's easier because you don't have to have the kind of inane argument about whether or not it's real, whether or not it's going to happen. but the problem is that by the time you're failing these effects, it's arguably fall far too late to begin acting. so we are,

we are past the deadline for taking action and we really, really need to act like, you know, so it's no longer a case of let's work out how to do the most rapid mitigation. but we also have to do the most rapid other patient, you know that the environment agency in the u. k. release. the press release last year, which really caught my attention. the title was adopt, or di, what they were basically saying was we won't be able to help lots of communities because too many are going to be affected by devastating floods and devastating impacts from extreme weather and the impacts of climate change. and so we know that this country is woefully underprepared, and we've had, you know, lots and lots and lots of warnings. but as with lots of things, we can see in politics at the moment. the people in power in this country doesn't seem to want to prepare to weather sharks that they know find welcoming do do, do you agree with that? do you feel that this government, especially for the u. k as a role in london or you all in london, do you feel that it does feel an urgency to this problem?

does it feel an urgency to adapt? well, i mean, i think it's a common problem most, not just the j a think across europe, and indeed in the united states, we just have lost the habit of thinking about the landscape. and that has very practical smashed implications. mean, it used to be the taste of the amount of investment that went into the landscape to construct the sort of infrastructure that now is failing. was very significant. was significant on the money that you need to spend in order to change the landscape and capture water when there is and deliver it where you needed and manage. for example, a transition of the agricultural system of the last 2030 years. that's kind of going out of fashion along with the states intervention in the basic infrastructure of society. and so, you know, we, we should know this type or problem. we know how to solve that. that is a combination or didn't was saying of infrastructure and different management modes, right? so it's, this is not a mystery how you sold this both until we pay attention and we start also devoting

resources to it. we won't solve it. i should say that one last thing on this, which is whilst we all fixated on europe. we order. remember that, for example, in the horn of africa, 80000000 people are food insecure and going through famine because of drowsing hitting that part of the world. and that part of it has nothing close to the infrastructure and institutions that we benefit from in europe. and to me, that is where the real catastrophe is happening will be sort of able, at least in the short term, to eventually manage the change in climate ology of the next decades. but they're, you know, they're not, they're struggling today, right? so we also have to keep an eye on the rest of the world and we see our own problems . i'm instantly that you use the word. so because that's exactly what class said we couldn't do in this situation. but you same thing we can do. there is hope i, it depends on what problem you're talking about. i mean, i think, you know, we've, i just wrote a book on both of the 10000 years history of our really issue. it was. and it's

a dialectic relationship. we always been in this dialogue and this dance between our expectation of what normally he looks like the investments they were can make on the landscape to transform it to katie, those expectations and the reality of the climate system. so solving it is not about, you know, fixing what we want and then just turning the environment around us so that it delivers whatever we need. solving. it also means adjusting and adapting our behaviors and changing what we grow, where and changing some of our habits, right? so i think the question of adaptation is not one of fixed what you have to they just figure out a way of delivering, i think your question notation is, how do we live differently in a world that sir feels different from maybe what we had 20 years ago but i guess that's the crux of it, isn't it? elena? how do we live differently? it is notoriously difficult to get people to change their habits, change their behaviors. how do we get people to do that when it comes to water? this is where a balance of trying to ensure that people understand the science and are willing to

follow it as well as top down legislation. so it is difficult to get people to change in a whole so away when they recognize that they are going to be healthier, they'll be safer. they're going to save money, lives will be better. this is how we actually bring people on board. and despite the difficulties, despite the urgency, we do have a long history of improving society. when it comes to quality and equity, we've a long way to go. but on the other hand, we have come also from a long lane made fast improvements. if we look at other major risks, such as smoking, smoking indoors, most public places is not permitted in the u. k. across europe, but unfortunately it does happen and other places, road safety, the devastation of vehicle crashes, is something which we really have to talk whole again with huge urgency. but we've made huge strides in the u. k and across europe regarding that they have been too

slow. all of these have almost been generational. we don't have that time. so it's spelled saying, look, things are difficult. there is urgency for change, but people are willing to do it when they recognize that it helps themselves in their for helps others. is part is part of saying, well, what government to be want to vote for who do want to elect to ensure that the laws and monitoring and enforcement are there and drop the whole host of long term examples really seen successes to do far, far better than we are doing now, but ensuring that there's a lot of hope there and a lot of so many local inspirational samples from what's called gorilla gardening, where people take over dead space in cities like london and girl fruit and vegetable to some incredibly progressive climate change related legislation which has changed our greenhouse gas engine clad. do you think that people are willing to change their behaviors? do you think there's going to need a comparison stick approach?

when we look at seatbelt wearing, we look at smoking, all of it came with punitive measures. it came with government bands, very clear policy guidelines, but forced people to change their behaviors. do we need that? as well as greater education? well, you probably at this point need both and, and an enormous amount more creativity because as i was with so far down the road. but we did say in coverage for example, what people were willing to do when it came to supporting people in the local community. when they realized that the, you know, people needed to, to pull together. and you can see in lots of scenarios, the certain people in are in also movement landscape that like very much to, to focus on the goodness of people's responses to disasters and to, and her social difficulties rather than just solely to the negative effect. but the thing that's completely lacking in almost every place where i can contest that the in this country for a long time is a thing called leadership. we need to show the public good information that they

can trust that needs to be a public information campaign. so that people understand the reality is what's actually happening with climate change. and then for example, while you're having a conversation about the problem, farm as a facing with the, with the water supplies and not being able to great crop. but it would be really useful then talk about the emissions of farming the transition that's needed and agriculture, the part that plays in making the world hotter. and so all of these conversations you could see in the public space, they could be tied around in a, in a, in a much more useful way so that the public can join all the adults and on the land where, wherever the impacts coming from. and what do we need to change and how we need to change it and how quickly we need to change it. but the problem that we've got here and probably in lots of other parts of the world as well, is the total deterioration of trust in politics. and i think this recent administration in this country has absolutely denigrated public complex life. and so that's a massive problem because why we need leadership, we don't just not have it, but we also don't have the trust in the systems that are supposed to provide it. so

even if someone shows up and shows good need to ship the publican now going to be very suspicious both to should we trust them all they like the last person, you know, all they telling us the truth about this issue and they even understand it. you know, lots of british m p don't even understand climate change really. i spoken to some of them. i know people are in that conversation and there is no mandatory requirement for the people who are leaving this country to actually understand the problem. did you agree with that? do you agree that we are facing a lack of leadership when we need it most? and if so, where does that come from? i'm looking a particularly at athens, which is just a designated europe's 1st chief heat officer. a woman who's very inspirational and is focused purely on adapting the city to rising temperatures. that's the kind of leadership i assume that claire might be talking about. we don't see any of that in the u. k. and much of europe. where does it come from? i guess it, well, i mean, i think both karen and milan arising emphasizing the fact that this is ultimately

a political issue that requires political leadership because it's about how we're going to live together, the landscaper going forward. and so you need leadership and you also need institutions. institutional include the kind of the kind of positions that you just described in athens. that is one thing that's particularly want to note here, which is you need leadership in particular because you need to sustain focus and commitment to this issue. crew crises and out of crises, right? because rains will come. this drought will pass, but the problem will not right so that the idea of the catastrophe is the only symptom of the problem is a mistake. this trout will end. people will forget that the summers is catastrophic, as this may be another one and a few years. but the kind of solution that we need, the kinds of investments in infrastructure in agronomy in management that we need requires sustained commitment. so the require story and they require political and institutional leadership. and so that's frankly in all of us, it's on the kind of activism but claire,

those is on the scholarship that they learn, pursues on. it's on the writing that i do. every one of us is responsibly to try and raise the profile of this so that we can start describing will that leadership news look like claire. while we wait for that leader said, what can we do with individuals to combat trouts like these? what to what, what water usage is, can we change? well, i'm, i'm not an expert on how you would, you shall, was consumption. i certainly don't think that there are super easy ways for the majority of people to change that we'll see usage beyond, you know, be mindful of the ways that they, that they use in their home and sickly on the gardeners. as people have brought me said, you know, it's not a priority to keep your lawn in perfect condition at times like these. but as you might expect, my, my argument is going to be that the biggest thing that you can do against these things is to go and join movements and to make very, very loud and clear. the political requirement to respond to,

to climate and culture crises and for the people to show the strength of, of force that they will demand, the changes to happen. and if the people in charge won't make those changes happen, the people are going to have to put together to make a lot of changes happen. and i think there's a growing sort of inspiration amongst people in our movements to start to take action which is constructive and to take action together, which is community focused and community lead and to, you know, try and build collective power from, from the ground up. because we're not going to see as, as, as i've been said, the ends of, of these kinds of impacts. and they're also going to get worse, the guaranteed to get worse to some time, even if we do reduce emissions. and we're going to be going through these like progressive kinds of crises including was including food shortages and all of the kind of international difficulties come to come with. ok to see the results impact

. so yeah, it's about people power for us and please do join x r. if you can say that last word to you, are you optimistic? but we can make the necessary changes that we can adapt to this new reality. i don't see that there's any other choice except to be optimistic. it's exactly has been discussed. we need the leadership. it's up to us to decide the leadership. we also have to make changes that give people alternatives. if we were going to price petrol accurately, according to its cost, that would make it unaffordable for many. so we need to ensure that we. busy transit, that means it's up to us to make a demand for what we need. we can do that by being optimistic by being inspirational, is the only other choice is to give up and say it's just hopeless why bother? and i am not going to do that. ok, many thanks to all our guest you gave. okay. let's see claire foul and elena kellen for joining us today. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again

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