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let's take you through some of the headlines now. one of dog trauma, most prominent republican adversary's is last reelection bid in the us state of wyoming. live chinese said she would do whatever it takes to deny the former president and 2nd firm. she was defeated via trump back candidate who contests this year's mid term elections. south korea defense ministry says north korea 5 to cruise missiles early on wednesday. the massage were launched into the sea from on chung in south con gan province. from the right is more from sol. the timing of this does seem to be significant more significant. it seems than the type of missiles themselves. these are set to, i've been to cruise missiles fired west woods towards the sea that separates the korean peninsula from china. now if that's the case, then these would be the 1st cruise missiles that have been fired since january. but there has been a flurry of other mis activities since the start of this year,
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from the north, in particular, ballistic missiles, either short range or longer range. ballistic missiles, the type of weapons that are banned under un security council resolutions, australia as former prime minister scott morrison has admitted a secretly swore himself into 5 different ministerial posts. during the pandemic. marston says it was a safeguard in case he needed to make decisions quickly. but his opponents say he's damaged australia is democratic system. the u. n. new special envoy for me and mar is on a rad visit to meet officials from the genta. no alene hayes is visits is expected to focus on the deteriorating situation in the country. european union in the usa, they're studying. iran responds to a proposal to save the 2015 nuclear deal. it's the stream now stay with us. all now does era
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a weekly look at the world's talk business stories from global markets to economies and small businesses to understand how it affects our daily lives in missouri with counting the cost on o j 0 i i have for me. ok, welcome to the stream, the number of people making dangerous and potentially deadly journeys across the mediterranean is on the rise. again, let's take a look at the numbers. so this is from january to right now, and we're looking currently at the central mediterranean sea journeys. this year, going from libya to italy, compared to the same time last year. 44 percent more crossings are being attempted . let's take a look at the eastern mediterranean route and that's the route that takes my
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migrants from turkey to grease twice as many crossings as previously. and that is last year. at the moment we have numbers of about a 1000 people either missing or dead, attempting to make those crossings. and we're asking, why are these migrant crossing still happening? why people still dying, etc? that is our conversation today. we start with the international organization for migration. here is that a rico soda situated mediterranean continues to be off our number of this year and continue to have very poor condition in the detention center where my lessons are we don't consider safe work and therefore safety. martin vocations need to be established for search, ration and responsibility share and tearing crisis in mediterranean. i guess they
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have all got experience when it comes to migrant crossings across the mediterranean . molly, welcome nicholas. get to have you alessandro. welcome lovely to have your expertise on today's show. molly, please introduce yourself to our global audience. hi, my name is molly black, who i'm a reporter at the new paper base in london. get to have you nicholas. welcome to the street. please introduce yourself. yes, thank you for me. my name is nicholas of exercise and i am the head of wish i know them. it's on some point here and their doctors without borders in greece. and of course we work with the migration shortly in the country. and alessandra, welcome to the program. so good to have your expertise here. will you introduce yourself and tell us, where were you sitting right now? yes, my name is alice on the bottom of a low risk job. and the notion making,
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which is a rescue best out of the city. i think it to have you. thank you so much for interrupting your mission to join us today. if you would like to talk to any of i guess you want to know more about michael crossing the course, the mediterranean, that not happening right now. join us, but your comments or questions right here on youtube. molly, you have been reporting for almost a month now. and watching see rescues happening when people are being rescued when they talk to you on board the rescue ship. what are they telling you? what are the stories? i think the stories i've been sucked by. how similar they are about. see how many putting the see to out the stories and also by the length of the journey that people are making. i think as a sort of misconception, i'm often a europe about how long these studies take. and then reality, most people and i was in to do on both the ation viking, when i was back and often you know, 2019 or 2020 from the home country and been chopping all that time. so that stretch
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of crossing the mediterranean is actually the last stage really of, of what is really very long to, and a on a stage. you know, they face huge risk and, and huge challenges as they cross through africa towards libya. and then within libya, it south so many people would tell me, i'm sure remarks actually of puerto and beatings that they'd experience on the dirty hands. they say of libyan gods. and also people sharing experiences of things that happened along the somebody, women, all the rates along the really extreme, the journey from thoughtfulness and, and so many people said, very similar accounts of what happens each stage of experience. because as a shelter refer, migrants trying to get from turkey to greece. does that mean that they turn up in a good state of good mental state? are they still a traumatic journey?
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it is a shorter route need having, having been on a vessel myself in 2016, i can compare with a central net and i relate to to molly has been saying so, no, it's not the same journey, right? but this does not by any means, mean that the people that end up in the show on the shores of the greek islands, for example, the end of the end of sam was where m s f e active r r i n a good state of mind or even if physical, a good state, and what we have been seeing is the effect of the mental health burden that these people carry alongside when they arrive. and then of course, we come into the violent border practices that the authorities employ once they are on land. so it's interesting to see that these people come. and the 1st thing they have in mind is to hide themselves for days in a row,
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in order to not get caught. and in order to not be forced to be returned to the cost of turkey, where they fell from nicholas. i remember sitting on out there were many news networks around the world in 2015 the coverage of how many people were trying to get to europe. it was, it was an international quasi. it was with definitely a european crisis. we're not at 2015 levels, but why am more people now making a johnny when i believe the statistics all over to 1000000 people have made that journey over those 8 years. but why i'm all people risk in allies to do the same thing. i mean, just because we think that we can regulate or control the migration roads. this is, this is not the reality of the people that are actually traversing them. we will never stop people for,
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from seeking out safety from thinking out security. and we might never even understand their particular reasons, right? we think that it has to be war. it doesn't have to be just war. it could very well be that in countries where the regimes are quite authoritarian, if family may be may be facing risks themselves, individual risks that make them leave, that simply make them believe, rape or sexual harassment can, can be a reason for, for someone to undertake the journey as difficult as it may come in as long as it may be. and this is why we're seeing people arriving on the coasts of europe or, or trusting the boarders because they feel that the see the right thing to do for their families. for the people who stay behind and we will not recurse that same, it's not as easy as blocking a route. alessandra, what have you seen that you will never forget? what rescue have you seen?
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we have been unfortunately true similar i should correct. quite be impressive. in my mind, always remain the last may when we arrive. unfortunately, too late on a scene where we have been completely alone without any kind of coronation from europe. you know, it is and, and we found the remaining the flash drive with $130.00 people drones. and they were both which was completely broken by the state of the sea and everywhere actually navigating sailing through which emerging from the water. so i think you find me, i was just going to say that for me i see some of because i was on boards and the asian viking. i'm as wow. and i think one of the things that i actually found,
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the most so memorable, i guess, with the, the hopefulness on the optimism and the doing that people with experiencing, even after going through these danny's, i don't know if this is something you find out a fundraiser, but you know, the shape of happiness and optimism and determination to, to get back to life that people have despite having taken any threats of often lasted for several days and, and been really quite a big and it was out today because joy, i think that stuck with me in terms of you know, children carrying on playing and just being children you know, in the face of this huge, huge adversity. yeah. yeah, absolutely right. and when the people spend a few days in the shipper which is a temporary placement for safe place, they just come back to be your mom again and able to migrate on people that can put them. then they just fade them because it just needs
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to be human beings like me, like you enjoying the life that sometimes i mean being of care by the but is absolutely through what to say and promote you. explosion, joy really? especially in the last day when that is the national safety for molly. i'm going to sandra oh, nicholas, go ahead. ahead. sorry, i was, sorry for me it's for me, it's interesting because i have been on the boat and, and really very much the experience of both of them. and it's very easy to see how people forget, right. you pick them up from the boat, you pick them up on the fi in the middle of nowhere. and then 48 hours later, these people just simply, it is if they forgotten where they have been and of the human and dangerous. for me was amazing to see that on sam was based on the island of thomas, one of the border islands in greece. right. it's the same thing. so these people come,
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they come on land. the 1st thing they tell us as doctors without borders in m. s. f is please let no one send us back where we came from. so that's their 1st concern. 2 days later, if they manage to enter the actually the actual camp, the close access center. and although they are locked up in some ways, right it's, it's a close center. it doesn't really allow for freedom of movement. once the c, as during our mobile clinics, a few days later, it says if they are grieving old friends again, it's if they're forgetting that. yeah. so they have landed on the island and they will be restricted until their length. the long process goes to that. they still feel that they are amongst people that they know just because they've seen us upon arrival. it's an incredible feeling of how people are transform. i'm going to show our audience nicholas some of molly's reporting. so have a look here on twitter,
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molly. molly's been documenting what she's been seeing, what she's been doing. her reporting. she witness 3 recipes, 1st hand of hundreds of people, report from dangers both in the central mediterranean while he was one par. and i, i've, i've been watching all of your work in the last 3 days. there was one part where a family member of the c recognize another family member. and they were on the ship and they hug. and it was so wonderful and so joyful. and so happy, there was little kids with the baby rescued. it was or of humanity or little size humanity. and they look so relieved to be safe. yeah, it's quite a bizarre experience. i'm not sure if the others will agree, but you will may see like the high is on the low of humanity in terms of what people experience, you know, moment to see a cover where they really think that they're going to die. that's a reasonable thing to see you. and then when they get on the boat and you got it so,
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so somebody reification and things like the story that you can experience and it's a very strange shift between 2 extremely extreme sets of the medicine. so yeah, there was a moment one of the you base with the, to symbolic into smaller laskey go out to debate in distress, to put people on board to bring the back to the ship. and as they got back on to the sit, there was a man who got on board committee to women who had already been rescued, recognize him, and he picks up a child. and so data for. yeah. all right, remarkable. we have so many questions for you. get hopefully you can try and also we're going to be very brief answers. so ricardo wants to know, nicholas, what do you mean when the migrants arrive on the shores of the creek island? aren't they then safe? nicholas?
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yeah, i mean the question is a good one. i mean you would think they would be right. you would think that this is the end of a very long journey. well, it isn't a friend, ricardo has to understand that even on land these people are in danger. and what do i mean by that? they would hide because if found by the authorities, by the border authorities, by the whoever is responsible for guarding the border, they would often be summoned, assembled and sent back to the water. they would be left adrift in boats without mutters, until the curtains eat them to where they came back from. i mean, you have to understand that the distances are small here, but the uncertainty and according to our some of our testimonies that have
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a very touching. so people say, you know, you get, you get to step on land, you feel that you're in europe, you actually enter the bush of europe and then they just grab you and be violently teach you in ways that you wouldn't imagine including jamie forest genital examinations, beatings and whatnot, then they put you back on a boat and then you're back to square one after you've tried so much. so no, i'm afraid that the people are not always safe. let me share this because they have done, you know, thank you, nick, us for explain the reality of that situation. alice found the pendulum is watching out right now. he off on youtube that the migrants are very lucky, that they're able to cross into italy. italians are kind of mostly we need to have a worldwide agency to attack stress ahead and corrected in their homeland. so
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fixing the problems where they're coming from. well for them to solve the problems . when they already arrive in italy. i think that italy's attitude towards migrants has changed over 8 years, alessandro. what do you think? whether you are absolute you're, i them, but it's not only been added to this changed, but we'll say in the meantime after and they can and we're going to say what they see in the middle around in the room where we operate. and i would say that in the last 5 years, which of the time of tea, we have seen a huge lack of coordination for organizational involving no risk, a p, a huge problem of not sharing information from authorities to the 3rd, from the world really on the line we are seeing that the coastal state,
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unfortunately they withdraw from the road to when their expense and they basically more they both come very close to the shore. we have seen huge communities. they shall not afraid to see when he was a consequence. cma, the increase of their dent her, the one who are trying to do all to cross. ah, we a fema that the topic of rescue are 3 which is very well regulated by international or low. you turning somehow into a migration issue like somehow those things are thin by, according to the 2 different phenomena and the, and then notice in their change in the family could be young, which is uh, become very, very polarized and sometime. and sir, also in a moment way i'm just going to bring in a politician who is well known in italy for his essay from styles on
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immigration is putting it quite politely. this is mateo saline who actually is up from that the immigration league party. he's anti immigration, he's in the league party, and this is him earlier on in august visiting a center where migrants are and saying that this is not acceptable, but for a very different reason from the reason that we're talking about here. yes. when it was tom eula, shinagle, we still work. i have seen scenes here with children who should be elsewhere pregnant women who should be elsewhere. young men who should be treated differently . this is not the civilized country. i would like my children to grow up in welcome one year really while it will be at the. busy the goal of the future governments, if italians choose the league party the center right, is to return to controlling and protecting the boarders to fully welcome those who are escaping from war, which is a minority of those in italy and come back to border protection plan. yeah.
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nicholas, what do you do with that political situation as alexander says, is not just italy, there is a change in attitude to migrants to refugees. now in europe, what do you make of that? how do we get past that? is that possible? that's a good question. i, i think in order to get past that, we need to understand that this is a question of human rights. people choose to come to europe and to go through what they go through. have a right to request asylum the seas safeguarded by the european legislation. it's not just the greek legislation, it's not just one country, is alessandra put it. this is not an issue for italy or for great. this is an issue that has to be dealt collectively and right now it isn't being dealt collectively. it's a such b, c, european union stepping in and saying that, ok,
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nice people are arrive to my borders, have to be respected. so we as m. s, have called for any investigation of violations, right? we, we know very well what migration means as europeans, right? so we can understand the need of people to wish to apply for international protection, and we should guarantee a safe passage so that this is not being then through the promote channels of the traffickers. earlier we spoke to matea who works. we see what riches of an organization that also helps with rescues of migrants that see who are in distress . this is what she taught. see what has been active in the center mediterranean sea for yes and is also monitoring what is happening are absence in the last month . we have seen that the number of people trying to reach european land actually has
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been rising. but we also saw that the number of people who drowned by missing rows out to all the 1000 people on this year. so we're sure that can do the best they can, but they do not receive any governmental support. if they ask you to somebody off the people in a court of safety down to wait for days and days, it cannot be the job of civil society. you know, states must finally, again engage in such a rescue activity. this is why we demand a statement of such a rescue operation in less than 2 minutes rings. so this is really fascinating, molly, because you have to put it on the ukraine refugee crisis, and then the mediterranean migrant crisis. compare and contrast very briefly. what would you say is the difference? i mean, you know, i'm not going to get into sort of why the political point. so maybe some of the reasons as to why there are differences people, i'm so commit their minds on bob. but that also to me, undoubted fact 2 differences in terms of the treatment. so here in the u. k,
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you know where i'm based and, and what's my report? a, there's a designated scheme for people and fleeing the conflict in ukraine to be housed with britons. and stay with and for for 6 months, because the government led to the 3 different policy from the u. take of meant with regard to ukraine and lots of refugee organizations on humanitarian groups. the i've interviewed, have expressed, i guess, some confusion and concern about why a similar scheme couldn't be a prince, people from other countries. so the things like when you are applying to reach the k for ukraine, and you can make the cations within the country that you're in. so people know before they have to cross whether they have a be there. and we will be able to come to the you k through official channels, if you want to speak asylum in the u. k, you have to do the on u k. so that's one of the reasons that people think that these crossing the happen a because you actually have to me coffee the made up any before you commit to finding that there are certainly differences that we are seeing in terms of
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a policy approved. and i think also more publicly and there's a real lack of understanding, i think. and i have to say, you know, even if someone who works in this area, what's going on in the mediterranean is something that even i did not know huge amount about in a way that everybody, you know, what was going on in ukraine and huge the important and valuable, but you do you see a discrepancy and public knowledge show money? i just pull that up because our online community right now, what we're mentioning that difference between ukraine, refugees and then people trying to cross the mediterranean one more way. i want to include very briefly interact, conversation, and this is maurice. he spoke to us just a few hours ago. this is the point that he wanted to make and say that we need actual government policy. let's look you has to end is draconian pushback policies whereby migrants are being obstructed from reaching you territory often violently in the case of greece. and finally, you has to launch
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a wide scale rescue operation is absolutely shameful that this european community is unable to do what n g o z and activists are doing already for years. we also european commission for their contribution to this, this discussion and particularly for this show, this is what they sent us and shared with us. i'm gonna pick out the bit that really jumped out at me. the new pact or migration, an asylum put forward by the ear commission, includes a proposal for coordinated approach to search and rescue. i do not know how long that bureaucracy is going to take, but i hope it won't take long. thank you so much to molly nicholas and alessandro for helping us understand the mediterranean migrant calls, things that are up ticking right now across the mediterranean. thanks. been part of i shall, and all of you on you chip had commented and asked her questions. i'll see you next
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