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migrants from turkey to grease twice as many crossings as previously. and that is last year. at the moment we have numbers of about a 1000 people, either missing or dead, attempting to make those crossings. and we're asking, why are these migrate crossing still happening? why people still dying, etc? that is our conversation today, we start with the international organization for migration. he is that a rico soda situated mediterranean continues to be called our number of this year and continue to have various conditions in the detention center. where are we don't consider safe work and therefore say, tomorrow vocations need to be established for search ration and responsibility
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share of this monetary practice and to mediterranean. i guess today i have oh, got experience when it comes to migrant crossings across the mediterranean. molly, welcome nicholas, get to happy alessandro. welcome lovely to have your expertise on today's show. molly, please introduce yourself to our global audience. hi, my name is molly black, who i'm a reporter at the new paper base in london. get to have you nicholas. welcome to the string. please introduce yourself. yes, thank you for me. my name is nicholas of exercise and i am the head of recent of them. it's on some point. yeah, the doctors without borders in greece. and of course, we work with the migration shortly in the country and alessandro welcome to the program. so good to have your expertise here. will you introduce yourself and tell us, where were you sitting right now? yes, my name is alice on the bottom of a low risk job and the notion making,
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which is our rescue best out of the city. i think it to have you. thank you so much for interrupting your mission to join us today. if you would like to talk to any of i guess you want to know more about michael coffins, the course the mediterranean, that happening right now. join us, but your comments or questions right here on youtube. molly, you have been reporting for almost a month now. and watching see rescues happening when people are being rescued when they talk to you on board the rescue ship. what are they telling you? what are that stories? i think the stories i've been sucked by. how similar they all about the how many, patton, p c, throughout the stories and also by the length of the journey that people are making . i think as a sort of misconception, i'm often in europe about how long these studies take and then reality most people and everything to do on both the ation. viking. when i was back, i'm often, you know, 20192020 from the home country and been traveling all that time. so that stretch of
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crossing the mediterranean is actually the last stage really of what is a really very long to an a on a stage. you know, they face huge risk and, and huge challenges as they cross through africa towards libya and then within libya, it south so many people with me. i'm sure remarks actually of puerto and beatings that they'd experience on the dirty hands. they say of libyan gods and also, and so people sharing experiences of things that happened along the, somebody, women, all the rates along the really extremely touch journey from start to finish. and, and so many people said very similar accounts. what happens state the thought area and because as a shorter route for migrants trying to get from turkey to greece, does that mean that they turn up in a good state, a good mental state? are they still a traumatic journey?
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it is a shorter route having, having been on the vessel myself in 2016, i can compare with a central net and i relate to to molly has been saying so, no, it's not the same journey, right? but this does not, by any means, mean that these people that end up in the show on the shores of the greek islands, for example, the ends of the end of some was where m s f, e, active r. i n a good state of mind or even if physical, a good state and we have been c is the effect of the mental health burden than these people who carry alongside when they arrive. and then of course, we come into the violent border party, says that the authorities employ once they are on land. so it's interesting to see that these people come. and the 1st thing they have in mind is to hide themselves for days in a row,
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in order to not get caught. and in order to not be forced to be returned to the coast of turkey, where they fell from nicholas, i remember setting out there were many news networks around the world in 2015 the coverage of how many people were trying to get to europe. it was, it was an international quasi, was with definitely a european crisis. we're not at 2015 levels, but why i'm more people now making a journey. when i believe the statistics all over to 1000000 people have made that journey over those 8 years. but why more people risking their lives to do the same thing? i mean, just because we think that we can regulate or control the migration roads. this is, this is not the reality of the people that are actually traversing them. we will never stop people for,
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from seeking out safety from thinking out security. and we might never even understand their particular reasons, right? we think that it has to be war. it doesn't have to be just war. it could very well be that in countries where the regimes are quite authoritarian, if family may be may be facing risks themselves, individual risks that make them leave, that simply make them believe, rape or sexual harassment can, can be a reason for, for someone to undertake the journey as difficult as it may come in as long as it may be. and this is why we're seeing people arriving on the coasts of europe or, or trusting the boarders because they feel that the see the right thing to do for their families. for the people who stay behind and we will not reverse that same, it's not as easy and blocking a route. alessandra, what have you seen that you will never forget? what rescue have you seen?
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we have been unfortunately true. she correct? quite be impressive. in my mind, always remain the last may when we are unfortunately too late on a scene where we have been completely alone without any kind of coordination on the from europe. you know, it is and, and we found the remaining the flash drive. we've been 130 people drone both which was completely broken by the state of the sea and everywhere. actually really navigating failing through us which emerged from the water. so where i think you find me, i was just going to say that for me i see some of because i was on boards and the ation viking. i'm wow. and i think one of the things that i actually found,
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the most so memorable, i guess with the, the hopefulness, the optimism and the joy that people was experiencing. even after going through the study. if i don't know if this is something you found out a fundraiser, you know, the shape of happiness and optimism and determination to get back to life that people have despite having taken any threats of often lasted for several days and, and been really quite vague. and it was out today because joy, i think that stuck with me in terms of, you know, children carrying on playing and just being children, you know, in the face of this huge, huge adversity. yeah. yeah, absolutely right. and when the people spend a few days in the shipper which is looking for a replacement for face place and then just come back to be your mom again. and oh my god, i'm sure, but people who can put them then they just say that because it just means like me
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like you enjoying the life that sometimes being me off cattle by the but is absolutely through what to say. and explosion, joy, really? especially in the last day when the national safety for money. i'm going to sandra oh, nicholas. go ahead. go ahead. sorry, i was sorry for me. it's for me, it's interesting because i have been on the boat and, and really very much the experience of both of them. and it's very easy to see how people forget, right? you pick them up from the boat, you pick them up on the fi in the middle of nowhere. and then 48 hours later, these people just simply, if they forgotten where they have been and of the human and dangerous. for me was amazing to see that on some was based on the island of thomas, one of the border islands in greece. right. it's the same thing. so these people come,
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they come on land. the 1st thing they tell us as doctors and boards that miss f is please let no one send us back where we came from. so that's their 1st concern. 2 days later, if they manage to enter the actually the actual camp, the close access center. and although they are locked up in some ways, right it's, it's a close center. it doesn't really allow for freedom of movement. once the c, as during our mobile clinics, a few days later, it says if they're grading old friends again, it's if they're forgetting that yeah. although they have landed on the island and they will be restricted until their length, the long process goes through that they still feel that they are amongst people that they know just because they've seen us upon arrival. it's an incredible feeling of how people are transform. i'm going to show our audience nicholas
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summers. molly's reporting. so have a look here on twitter, molly. molly's been documenting what she's been seeing, what she's been doing. her reporting. she witness 3 rescued, 1st hand of hundreds of people, report from dangers both in the central mediterranean. while he was one par. and i, i've, i've been watching all of your work for the last 3 days. there was one part where a family member of the c recognize another family member, and they were on the ship and they hug. and it was so wonderful and so joyful and so happy. there was little kids with the baby rescued. it was or of humanity, a little side humanity and they look so relieved to be safe. yeah, quite a bizarre experience. i'm not so if the others will agree, but you will may see like the highest and the low of humanity in terms of what people experience moment to see a cover. why they really think that they're going to die. that's a reasonable thing to see you. and then when they get on the boat and you get your
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name and so, and so somebody reification and things like the story that you can experience. and it's a very strange shift between 2 extremely extreme sets of the medicine. so yeah, there was a name and one of the you base with the box and the smaller mesquite go out to the boats in distress to put people on board to bring the back to the ship. and as they got back home to the sit, there was a man who got on board. clearly the women who had already been rescued, recognize him, and he picked up a child. and so very different. yeah. all right, remarkable. we have so many questions for you. get hopefully you can try and also, and we're going to do very brief answers though. ricardo wants to know, nicholas, what do you mean when the migrants arrive on the shores of the creek island? aren't they then safe? nicholas?
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yeah, i mean their question is a good one. i mean you would think they would be right. you would think that this is the end of a very long journey. well, it isn't a friend, ricardo has to understand that even on land these. busy people are in danger and what do i mean by that? they would hide because if found by the authorities, by the border authorities, by the whoever is responsible for guarding the border, they would often be summoned, assembled and sent back to the water. they would be left adrift in boats without mutters and fill the curtains and lead them to where they came back from. i mean, you have to understand that the distances are small here, but the uncertainty and according to our, some of our testimonies that have
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a very touching, people say, you know, you get, you get to step on land, you feel that you're in europe. you actually enter the bush of europe and then they just grab you and be violently treat you in ways that you wouldn't imagine, including jenny force, genital examinations, beatings and whatnot. then they put you back on a boat and then you're back to square one after you've tried so much. so no, i'm afraid that the people are not always safe. let me share this because they have done, you know, thank you, nick, us for explain the reality of that situation. alice found the pendulum is watching out right now. he off on youtube that the migrants are very lucky, that they're able to cross into italy. italians are kind and mostly we need to have a worldwide agency to take stress ahead and corrected in their homeland. so fixing
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the problems where they're coming from, well for them to solve the problems when they already arrive in italy. i think that italy's attitude towards migrants has changed over 8 years, alessandro. what do you think, what you are absolutely right them, but it's not on the italian added to this changed, but it will say in the meantime, attitude and they can the weakness to say what they see in the middle around in there. what about we operate and i will say that in the last 5 years, which of the time has been the t. we are a huge lack of coordination for the organization involved with no risk or t. i huge problem of not sharing information from authorities to the person that was really on the line. we have seen that the coastal state,
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unfortunately they, we drove from the road to when their expense and they basically moved. they are both very close to the shore. we feel huge communities, they shut off, afraid to see when he was consequent in the increase of their the vendor, her the one who are trying to do all to cross. ah, we a fema that the topic of rescue are 3, which is very well regulated by international are low. you're turning somehow into a migration issue like somehow those things are a thin by, according to the 2 different phenomena and the, and then know yes in the change in the family could be young, which is the calm them larry very polarized and sometime. and sir, also in a moment way i'm just going to bring in a politician who is well known in italy for his essay. firm stance on
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immigration is putting it quite politely. this is mateo saline who actually is up from that the immigration league party. he's anti immigration, he's in the league party, and this is him earlier on in august visiting a center where my grants are and saying that this is not acceptable, but for a very different reason for the reason that we're talking about here. yes. when it was to eula, shinagle is the work i have seen scenes here with children who should be elsewhere . pregnant women who should be elsewhere. young men who should be treated differently. this is not the civilized country. i would like my children to grow up in welcome one year when the quite a little bit 0, the goal of the future governments. if italians choose the league party, the center right, is to return to controlling and protecting the boarders to fully welcome those who are escaping from war, which is a minority of those in italy and come back to border protection, re done. yeah. nicholas, what do you do with that political situation?
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as alessandra says, is not just italy. there is a change in attitude to migrants to refugees. now in europe, what do you make of that? how do we get past that? is that possible? that's a good question. i, i think in order to get past that, we need to understand that this is a question of human rights. people that choose to come to europe and to go through what they go through, have a right to request asylum the seas safeguarded by the european legislation. it's not just the greek legislation, it's not just one country. is alessandra put it. this is not an issue for italy or for great. this is an issue that has to be dealt collectively and right now it isn't being dealt collectively. it's such the fees, european union stepping in and saying that, ok,
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nice people are arrive to my borders. have to be respected, so we as m. s, have called for any investigation of violations, right? we, we know very well what migration means as europeans, right? so we can understand the need of people to wish to apply for international protection. and we should guarantee a safe passage so that this is not being done through the promot channels of the traffickers. earlier we spoke to my tia who works with c watch, which is an organization that also helps with rescues of migrants that see who are in distress. this is what she told us. see what has been active in the center mediterranean sea for yes, and is also monitoring what is happening or athens in the last month. we have seen that the number of people trying to read european land actually has been rising.
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but we also saw that the number of people who drowned by missing rows out to all the 1000 and on this year. so we're sure can do the best they can better. they do not receive any governmental support. if they ask you to somebody off the people in a court of safety down to wait for days and days, it cannot be the job of civil society, no states must finally, again engage in such rescue activities. this is why we demand assailants such a rescue operation in the central mediterranean sea. so this is really fascinating money because you have to put it on the ukraine refugee crisis and then the mediterranean migrant crisis. compare and contrast very briefly. what would you say is the difference? i mean, you know, i'm not going to get into sort of why the political point. so maybe some of the reasons as to why there are differences people, i'm so commit their minds on law, but that also to me, undoubted fact to differences in terms of the treatment. so here in the u. k,
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you know where i'm based and unfair, much of my report a, there's a designated scheme for people and fleeing the conflict in ukraine to be housed with britons and stay with and for for 6 months. because the government led to the 3 different policy from the u. take of meant with regard to ukraine and lots of refugee organizations on humanitarian groups that i've interviewed have expressed, i guess some confusion and concern about why a similar scheme couldn't be people from other countries. so the things like when you are applying to reach the k for ukraine, and you can make those applications within the country that you're in. so people know before they have to cross whether they have a be there and we will be able to come to the u. k, through official channels. if you want to speak asylum in the u. k, you have to do the oil. so that's one of the reasons that people think that these crossing the happen a because you actually have me crossing the, made any before you could pitch in the file. and that there are any differences
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that, that we are seeing in terms of a policy approach. and i think also more publicly and there's a real lack of understanding, i think. and i have to say, you know, even if someone who works in this area, what's going on in the mediterranean is something that even i did not know huge amount about in a way to everybody, you know, what was going on in ukraine and hugely important. and valuable, but you do you see a discrepancy and public knowledge show money? i just pull that up because our online community right now, what we're mentioning that difference between ukraine, refugees and then people trying to cross the mediterranean one more way. i want to include very briefly interact, conversation, and this is maurice. he spoke to us just a few hours ago. this is the point that he wanted to make and say that we need actual government policy. that look you has to end is draconian pushback policies whereby migrants are being obstructed from reaching you territory off violently in the case of greece. and finally, you has to launch
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a wide scale rescue operation is absolutely shameful that this european community is unable to do what m g or some activists are doing already for years. we all say european commission for their contribution to this, this discussion and particularly for this show, this is what they sent us and shared with us. i'm gonna pick out the bit that really jumped out at me. the new pact or migration, an asylum put forward by the ear commission, includes a proposal for coordinated approach to search and rescue. i do not know how long that bureaucracy is going to take, but i hope it won't take long. thank you so much to molly nicholas and alessandra, for helping us understand the mediterranean migrant calls, things that are up ticking right now across the mediterranean. thanks for being part of i shall. and all of you on you chip had commented and asked her questions.
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