the public seems to have embraced and though john holman reports, el salvador has been living under a state of emergency for almost 5 months to tackle the country's ramp and gang via this week. it was extended further. the 50000 people have so far been detained. that's just under 2 percent. the countries labor force president, i bu kelly, who's the more terrorists i under the emergency measures those detainees haven't got the right to a lawyer ought to be informed why they've been arrested human rights groups say that many of process in mass hearings in which evidence isn't usually presented freeness as a husbands among my husband was working and i didn't find out he was detained until 10 pm care provider. congress, dominated by the ruling party, overwhelmingly, voted measures to continue in those with the

president of salvador. and his government will do everything that is required to guarantee that these 50000 members have been captured and that it will not put a foot inside the communities. and why not? the state of exception is widely popular among an electro exhausted and traumatized by decades of predatory gangs. an association of bus companies has said that extortion among its members has dropped by 95 percent. and then the president, the architect of the crackdown regularly tweets the countries seeing days of 0 murders as a result of it. what price, amnesty international says dozens of people have died in custody. and on the past correct downs to the gangs of simply reemerged again at the end. but i come, but the 3rd one is i see on the 30 says the government puts away those concerns and lam bus. it's critics. it says it's, it was when john home and i'll just say ok

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to say the reason this is extremely important service that they provide to the city we are we need to take america to try to bring people together trying to deal with people who left behind me. what's behind the recent tension between serbia and kosovo? the 2 sides have met in brussels to resolve a dispute, sparked by vehicle license plates. but are they likely to find an agreement and can conflict be avoided? this is inside stored. ah hello and welcome to the program i manage of june. the leaders of serbia and kosovo

have held rare talks in brussels, that european union mediators hope will de escalate growing tensions. the 2 sides have been at odds ever since kosovo declared independence from serbia. in 2008. nato says it's increasing its true numbers along the border with renewed fears of a possible conflict in the region. the alliance is chief, yet sultan berg has met separately with both leaders and called for com, or saying nato troops were ready to intervene if necessary. the latest dispute was sparked last month when kosovo said serbian identity documents and car plate numbers would no longer be valid in its territory. the serve minority in kosovo, reacted angrily to the restrictions on movement prompting ca, civil is government to delay the measures until next month. we'll bring in our guests in a moment. first i'll just here is ogden. storage has more from brussels. the 1st meeting of the highest officials of serbia and gustavo, after more than a year, is taking place at the time of high and that's vengeance and the tories that is so

strange that the european commission describes it as in the flame about european diplomats emphasize that they are determined that the meeting will continue until a solution to the current crisis is found late. this changes are triggered late in july. i had of course of intention to implement a law making all citizens including serves to use cost of our car plates. also, people from selby entering possible will you have to care, christina, you should exit entry documents, which will be used as an id during the day stay. the small triggered local serbs will put up roadblocks and sounded air. raid sirens fully stated that even several gunshots have been reported because of all postponed the implementation of the law for one month and served here remove the road blocks, but the dangers have stayed ahead of september 1st, which is a new date of plan. the implementation nato secretary general, yan salter held meetings with the boat president of serbia and cosmo prime minister,

which was not unusual practice ahead of your facility dialogue. his message was a loud and clear natal peacekeeping mission, gustavo k for his 4000 troops. and it's ready to intervene if stability between serbian costa mesa trees, i call on all sides to show restraint and to avoid the violence. nato continues to monitor close to the situation on the ground. our cave for peacekeeping mission remains focused on it's you and mandates. should stability be jeopardized k for stand straight to intervene? botello neutral on a small saga. now we do not agree on almost anything, but what's important is that sort of you'll stick to international law and agreements and everything that was signed, crossovers, institutions, and citizens. the current situation have reason to be vigilant, about destructive approach of our northern neighbor dollars crossover. and the region in general,

under russia's detrimental agenda for europe and the balkans both will teach. and they said that they are willing to work on these collation in order to find a mutually agreeable solution for the normalization of relations of serbia. and its former problem that declared is independence in 2008 in brussels. we're inside story news outage. all right, let's get a closer look at this story. cause of declared its independence from serbia in 2008 after years of strained relations between the majority, ethnic albanian population and minority serbs. but it has not been recognized by the us or serbia. while the us in some you countries have welcome to move and serbia has blocked cost of from joining various international institutions. but both are now seeking to join the european union. so normalizing relations as seen as crucial for their bids. ah, all right, let's bring our guests in pristina. when a high diary,

a reporter for political europe in sarajevo, alexander brands are a western balcony analyst host and producer of the podcast. calling and in belgrade human rights lawyer, milan on 20th, which a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story will not let me start with you today. from your perspective, can this meeting yield any concrete results? what we've seen so far is that because so prime minister ivan courtney has said that he does not. he's not withdrawing his pledge to apply reciprocity measure measures starting on september 1st. which means that kosovo because of our side isn't going to back down from insisting that serbian citizens who enter kosovo not be able to travel with license plates that are issued in serbia. and they need a special entry documents. i'm, we're at this moment waiting like precisely this moment waiting for the you to hold

a conference that had a foreign policy for the european union to hold a press conference and give some indication of what the agreement is in brussels. but what i am predicting in this point is that they're going to try to find an intermediate solution that will try to come over some of the differences that exist between the 2 sides. and in order to like delay the, the intensity or the tensions that we're seeing right now, milan, serbian president alexander, which said that he expected difficult talks with casa, was prime minister. he said, we do not agree, almost on anything. so from your vantage point, how difficult do you think these talks are going to be? well, i believe that there is an urgent to come to agreement, especially on a free moment. we saw the measures introduced by the end of july. i mean on the august the for the produce and they produce insecurity on the north of cost of all knowing that and knowing all the fact ricky,

to security. i believe that serbia is ready and willing to negotiate. they showed it all saying that there was some agreement, not on the highest level, reach the touch of the agreement on edge effector recently. so i believe that there is potential to be sure that this on the already signed agreement that service. you'd also insist on the, on the future of the dialogue as, as gotcha, and to see how to overcome the difficulty that exist at the moment. so we saw, i'll be worth the, i think a few months ago we had the very top discussion as society and parts of the society dealing with getting costs or are relations. but i expect that in the, in the name of security of the population on the whole. busy the agreement, especially on the movement must be on the horizon and that this is a good start. no matter how the the positions are far from each other.

alexander, from your perspective, what does brussels hope to achieve, both the in the short term and in the, in the long term? yeah, i think this is a really important key question today, especially you know, the both sides of the conversation or the dialog installed over the past year or so . now if not longer, we've seen several clara in the meantime. and brussels has always attempted, as or rather brussels has attempted, as always, to be the sort of mediating pacifying sides to the eye on it. if we're going to be perfectly honest about those, i don't expect much more than just the usual kicking the can down the road. brussel does not necessarily in the officials in brussels. don't not necessarily have you know, much of carrots or much of a stick to the care that they have offered to both in this. and i do not expect

some sort of grand solution to do to the outstanding problems when it comes to this issue or any, any thing that's going to go beyond what we've usually heard, which is that both sides have a, a very rigid on the, on the problem with the owner. of course there are many who are worried right now. the cost of in serbia might be headed toward another war. you wrote a piece for political earlier this month where you said that on the ground in cost of people have been downplaying. that possibility and the panic had subsided, at least for now. so what is the mood at the moment? what people overseen are actually as a said in that article in many others have echoed people ever seen or surprised that there is suddenly such a big global interest in the conflict between coast when serbia or at the moment when i say,

i guess we should care be careful with the terms or use and i see conflict, i mean the intractable tensions that exist between the 2 countries, but that are not armed by any means at this point. um, either surprise there such an interest in what's happening because various forms of are similar forms of violence. intentions have existed and been rec, recurring over the past couple of years. i think everyone understands that everyone in europe is on much higher and a much higher level of alert alertness and, and, and sort of anxiety over this because of the ongoing invasion of ukraine. but people don't understand why he bars that interested. on the other hand, i feel like the tent, the stakes are very high right now because i'm primarily serbia, is the country that's being pushed in a corner. it's being expected to make a final sort of move with regard to sanctions towards russia. is one of the few

countries in europe that is not participating in the sanctions packages against the russian federation. and everyone in kosovo believe that because serbia is being pressured by brussels to participate in the sanctions that could be more prone to radical moves, especially when it comes to kosovo. milan, i know you touched on this a bit in your previous answer, but you know where to things go from here. what happens next? what are the next steps? well, i fully disagree with the state and there is a can and, and the sweep i created before also during the day during the negotiation. so i will simplify it as, as, as there are. there is the last question is security especially on the nord that people feel and these, this agenda is stealing from from mr. ben community on the north. there is also the announcement, the president which is really open to serbia community today, coming it down and as you did at the beginning of august when he had the 1st

crisis, we may call it like that the so i wouldn't make any bigger parallel with the russian aggression to ukraine. there is no possibility that anything like it happened in our region. as long as the both parties are dedicated to the dialog. alexander nato secretary general installed and berg has said that the situation on the ground has improved. where do things stand? right? now look that there's something that has to be said about this and it's related to what it's jumped on the incentive for me. when it comes to kicking the can down drought and baffled. it is important to note that these meetings have recently been all about down the road because gospel does not offer anything to any of the side. and i'm not just talking about cost therapy, i'm talking about all of the what to balkan 6 who are attempting trying to be you know, you members at some point down the road. so, you know, in terms of service,

that's what further formalizing the accessory, moving it along for the cost of just getting these a liberalization, which is in stock for years. so these me, in between, between priest and belgrade are convenient way for both sides and on both ends. now you have, you have strong men, especially especially mister, which president of serbia but also mr. court the at the same time, cost side where both sides are flexing muscles and trying to, to, to push the other side and into, into some kind of a corner where they will have to make a mistake. and it's all about this kind of diplomatic flash, political flash. what do you want to call it to wrestle the taking place to turn to but when it comes to things on the ground and this is, i think this is important that somebody might not know because i didn't know what's the last time he wasn't the north of course a lot of in there talk to people, it's my job to do that. the people's concerns might be legitimate,

but people's concerns are not being, you know, and we're talking about ethnic serves in the north cross. there might be legitimate, in terms of them feeling a particular way them feeling maybe afraid or scared or, you know, pushed into a corner again in a very, in a very direct. but belgrade is not helping much, either. an downgrade is not helping much either by continuing this cat and mouse game would proceed without actually getting to any kind of a solid result or any kind of practical resolution to any of the problems. regardless of the provocations from both sides. and that has to be taken into account in terms of just a general security situation. i think it's, it's worth noting just 60 kilometers down the road in the capital 15 conference. they're taking place, you know, going on with their lives. if there isn't that, there's no crisis in their thing in belgrade, the capital of serbia,

and people who have, who have been caught in the cross hairs here, these very ethnic serves that, that we sent an image is talking about are the ones who are legitimately concerned but i do not see that, you know, their leaders, their representative are actually doing anything to make their lives better. and this is not just about finding a solution with christina. this is a lot to do very practical things on the ground. where belgrade the claims to be responsible for these people basically does nothing. i have done, has done nothing for years except use them political pong. and this, like i said, captain game between, between the 2. so in the event that fighting were to actually erupt. if tension is escalate again, cosmo and survey are bound by an agreement in which nato has the final say, i want to ask you just how entwined nato and the you are in the local peacekeeping efforts. nato is absolutely the final arbiter in any conflict or escalation to

corrupt between coastal and serbia. when the nita bombing of the ramp state of yugoslavia happened, or serbia montenegro and, and always because were to happen in 99, an agreement was signed. that was unprecedented to continue to be impressed in nato history. which basically means that anytime serbia would want to encroach the territory of coastal militarily or otherwise, it would immediately provoke reaction from something that is that public might be more familiar with in terms of the article high protections and they don't exist when it comes to kosovo. even though course with a needle member, this is why people on the ground have to some extent downplayed the possibility of an out all were happening. but of me that their capital incidence and salvage tensions, or even loss of life. but a full out conflict in similar to anything that's happening in ukraine is almost

entirely precisely because nato's forces on the ground coast was spent the last 20 years, almost exclusively protecting the northern border and making sure in both the kosovo albanian and the coast was or community are protected in those territories, and i said again, it doesn't mean that there can be instances like that, but an actual, a full on conflict is almost entirely unlikely. milan in the aftermath of the latest flare up cost was interior minister, q, serbia, and russia of triggering and supporting rioting. what has the response that been from serbia? well, linking, linking serbia to russia fully is more of the same dilemma there is being bulleted, fully independent from any russian implants and the future. if y'all, the obligation on the north is their, their own state. and the great plate with that as far as i can see i've been took

also just a month ago digital for a we're natal care, gave her is our protecting the marjorie. they're also working on the, in all of the plays and they're also very agile in avoiding getting on the publication from either side. but the thing that i know, speaking with the community on the north, is that the special forces also while entering the north, there are always incidents small incidents. however, if the fashions are rising, i believe that that can be seen as the publication. and i hope that the specially will not try to, to do to make any, any reason for the community that's frightened at the moment to, to react. so the responsibility is shared. i believe that both sides are now meeting in brussels in front of the community. there and old

boy and braille they. they are aware of the effect and everything that both serbia and cough so we'll get there. we'll get it on the negotiating table. i believe that this notion is well placed in belgrade. i hope and i, i, i the, this is the message, every track for those who driving 40. when he spoke with him in june, negotiate the table should be the all the table for solving again, your issue. there is no. luckily there is no zaleski in the region, there is no cooking in the region either. so there is, there is no possibility for any larger conflict involved and also returned fulton, bank messages ready to the security and employment of the person is also giving a strong signal that not none of the possibilities for greater conflict is knocking

on the west and walk up and if everybody is aware just following the situation and trying to solve every issue that exists, especially issues related to freedom, a more meant and any other freedom that should be guaranteed to every while. and also i'm a brought also a positive note to serbia supporting the liberalization of where costs are the citizens related to the you. and these are the gestures that should be seen as positive because they will. and they have to the possibility to open many of the person that we're on, on still in, in brussels. alexander, the e u has said that both serbia and constable need to normalize their relations if they wish to ultimately join the block. if the you were to eventually accept serbia and castillo as member states, is that something that would diffuse these tensions at all? that is that, that is a really good question. here's the thing for her. for serbia to enter the u. it has

to recognize independence of course the, the 35th chapter of the current negotiation deals with exactly that. it is absolutely clear and has become absolutely clear over the years that the only way for serbia to enter the even become a full fledged member state is to recognize course or not what that recognition actually will look like in practice. it's a different thing. obviously there might be a little bit of room to maneuver there, but i don't know. i do not see serbia entering the without actually resolving this in a way, but that's positive for everyone. not just one side on but as far as cost was concerned. i think there are several things that play when it comes to it's the membership. as you know it's, it's bundled together with bother and has it as a potential quote unquote, potential candidate country. what i like to call

a cardboard metal. that is, that was just given out to the, to 2 countries. because for young, based at least number of people in brussels are the officials and brought them to denial fill certain requirements to be full fledged candidate. countries like launch narrow serbia northwest on in the bay area. on the other hand, if you look at all the, you know, all the actual practicalities of what life is like, console, what the politics are like, what the political life like cost. we're talking about the youngest democracy in the world, western style democracy in the world. we're talking about the youngest country. most recently, the most country that has most recently declared independence has been partially recognized in europe. the 2nd youngest and the world. it's a very vibrant society, it's a very vibrant environment. it's much more you could even say that much more the

product and some other candidates countries from the region. and by this, i mean, the states are the position that it has found that felton is, in my opinion, very sad when it comes about 2000000 people who live there regardless of their ethnic. i sander sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt, but we're starting to run out of time, but we only have about a minute and a half left. i also want to ask you, if nato were to intervene or step up its presence even further, is that something that would really be a deescalate tory measure? you know what it ultimately help or could that actually inflame things as well? there are some rules and regulations you know, determine how much involvement nature can have both costs and as you know, so in wasn't going to wear it through the formation. obviously something would have 2 things would have to escalate between 2 and serbia. first for nita to intervene,

can it be more physically presence on the ground can can there be more, you know, actual boots in the ground that there were people yeah. that's, that's a really interesting question. and what about would lead to any thing? i don't think there's a need for that at the moment. i personally don't see it. and i don't see that that would play into this whole thing as sort of a doctor that would, that would make things work. i think nato's present cost is a positive thing. i think it makes everyone feel much safer both to be at the korean in community, the ethnic serve community and all other communities live in calls. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there today. thanks so much to all of our guests on a hi dory. alexander, bizarre and milan and tony image. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, algebra dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a inside story. from him, how much i'm home and the whole team here,

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