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and this is pretty much the picture globally. is this stuff sector shortage that ultimately in the sector we are. i mean, we are, we have a staff shortage that we haven't seen over the last decade, not least because of the redundancy and all those decisions that were taken because of the pandemic. so once we recognized that all road lead back to that star shortage and the decisions that were taken, we then very quickly become aware of just how short staffed the industry is. once passengers begin turning up at the terminal doors, which of course they did, and i drove beginning april, and that's why we saw that disruption since then. this was the wake up call that the industry needed. the ideation has been on a global recruitment drive and it's really for all areas, but it's specifically for those essential rows, baggage, handlers, cabin crew, everything that is passenger facing everything that is key to having an aircraft travel from a to be with 200 or passengers but there are difficulties and challenges that remain ahead. not least the recruitment difficulties on one side.
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it's an extremely competitive now, in terms of vacancies, supermarkets are able, in many cases to offer and pay more than airports. and on the other side is all of the background checks and the counter terrorism requirements that are required for, for working in a sterile environment, such as an airport and everything is taking slo, ah, that lines on al jazeera hotel, seen some ideas, capital. mogadishu has ended, at least 30 people have died and 40 others injured in scanned and blasted their way into the building on friday. i'll shabba fighters have claimed responsibility. a series of jonah times have been reported in russian controlled crimea. an official in sebastopol says an unmanned aircraft was shot down just above the building. that house is moscow's black sea fleet had orders. ukraine has not claimed responsibility, but has promised to re take the reaching and russian army vehicles. damage during
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fighting with ukraine are on display and keep burnt out. tanks have been parked in the capitol central boulevard, drawing large crowds exhibit comes ahead of ukraine's independence day, which will be celebrated. and next week, brazil's former president lucy nasa lula da silva, has held his 1st rally since campaigning officially began for october's presidential election. you'll as accused the current president, travel snarl of attacking brazilian democracy. he prepared to both her get ready both sooner. rogue, get ready? do not worry about lula, we won't do anything to you. the ones who will deal with you, both on our rope, all the brazilian people. i was fed up with so much laws, so much in justice and so much suffering. it's the people who are going to get him out of the presidency. and the family is a $43.00 students killed in mexico in 2014 say they hold the arrest of
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a former attorney general could lead to justice for the victims cases. maria was detained on friday and accused of being involved in torture, enforced disappearances. 83 arrest warrens have been issued in relation to the case europe say with the headlines on al jazeera, i'll be back with more news after inside story. stay with this. ah. the flare up hill fighting around europe. largest nuclear power plant is fueling fears of possible nuclear disaster. russia and ukraine, blame each other for the shelling news. apple richer. how much of a risk of the conflict posed and kind of catastrophe fear voided. this is inside
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story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle: concerns of a disaster. europe largest nuclear facility are growing. shelling has intensified around the russian controlled zapper reach a power plant in that ukraine. moscow, and keep blame each other for the attacks. russia controls a facility, but ukraine is operating it. that important has agreed to grant access to inspectors from the you an atomic watchdog, a criminal maybe announcement after a phone call between president putin and french president emanuel mack wrong statements. it said both leaders noted the importance of sending an i. e, a mission to the plant. as soon as possible to allow expert to assess the situation
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on the ground. the russian side confirmed its readiness to provide the necessary assistance. so the agencies inspectors when you cranes, president vladimir zalinski has welcome the inspection, but further, specific details still need to be worked out 0 wait stretching to says you need to get the return of comprehensive security to the separate. and you kill a power plant. and in a hotel, i may start with this mission. i'm grateful to all who joined the effort. if the russian radiation blackmail will go on the someone may enter the history of europe is one of the most tragic of all time. because the no rule book in any station in the world is a procedure in case some terrorist state turns and you kill a power plant into a target. meanwhile, you insect re general antenna. terrorist has again called the demilitarization of the plans, a bar assessment with
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a plan. and the facility must not lose the spot with the said, a certainty leads to establish that whole issue as a snapshot and to ensure the se we'll bring in our panel in just a moment. first, let's take a closer look at the zapper. each st nuclear plant. it was one of the 1st sight seized when russia invaded ukraine and february, the plant may be under russian control, but ukrainian engineers still operate at atomic energy researchers of want of a meltdown or radiation leak. if power supplies are damaged by shelling and the you and watch dog has warned, fighting around the facility poses a very real risk of nuclear disaster. ah, let's bring in our guests now and from moscow, andre federal,
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former deputy foreign minister of russia. from odessa. hannah shall este security studies program director at the ukrainian prism think tank and from vienna, robert kelly, a former director of the international atomic energy agency. thank you all very much for being here with us today. andre, let's start with you because we heard that the ukrainian president accusing russia of radiation. blackmail, the give you a chance to respond to that. okay. this is the question that the future of use nuclear power station is very important for the whole situation in europe. not only for our shim, no, no ukraine. the question is, who will be responsible if something will happen? because the risk that my beer luca solution is still very high and of all sides are really accusing each other. i. 0 in this division,
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and ukraine is very firmly blaming you. what is, what are you saying? what is moscow saying about this? moscow is saying that it's not possible because there are no heavy arms. and the selling is coming from the other side of the area from the copper, which is on the ground in control. and this is the task of i must go to bring inspection and to show and to try to confirm the whole world. that is ukraine, which is responsible for this dangerous base. ok, i know your response to that is ukraine shutting. yeah. is it the one responsible for the dangerous situation? you know, the problem is that russia, optimizations are happening without any tools. and let's remember that 1st and foremost, the russian forces must be at the savagery of law and order for one month. we have the personnel more than 500 people and more than 50 equipment at the territory of
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the nuclear long, including those that are inside of the building inside to enjoy the number one and 2. we have quite a novel set to life images proving the we have the latest you do that if you are to the go from inside showing the cars. that is the total violation of the all safe to regulations above the nuclear facility. so that should be number one. what's the force of ugly inside of the nuclear law, making it to talk to a big low the 2nd a, we had it back in june. and all, you know, international journalist essential to the problem, but ukrainians paid attract the attention of these national organizations back in june. because they were quite a novel view from the security camera proved when russian tried to occupy the nuclear facility. how for they were shelling b s. when are we also have white number of videos and the by the professional can
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really identify which side 1st of all the challenges property and the fact that it's very easy to do. what do you, to the time difference between the 1st and the 2nd meeting, it is like from the south of the evolution of the charges. and the old mill check was s, and i was saying that it would be impossible to shout from nico. and to have these sure period of time that you just happen to ok. and i want to also if this site is so sensitive, which it clearly is, it's your biggest nuclear power plant. why was it not back protected in the 1st place against a russian takeover? one of the reason exactly was because ukrainian armed forces slides not to fight while understanding the beast. so we, as you be a nuclear power plant will be of the most touched territory. that's why our 1st will of that time, you need to remember that we have fighting all, evolved approximately 2000 kilometers of the from so we couldn't just move the
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personal around for security and we couldn't bring the weapons there. otherwise, we have for the fighting that jeopardize the safety of the facilities. i'm here at this time, we have the piping for larry while and in many other place it's very important share what i hear it was. unfortunately, we balance on necessities are between the nuclear safety of all or the ability to defend the andre. i mean, it does seem very clear, does that, that the threat does come from the simple fact that russian forces off somewhere where they shouldn't be, where they don't belong. so the russian forces occupied the secretary of the power station already on february 28th take into consideration the importance of this power plant also for the territories which is now on the russian control. and while the elemental battle,
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how this operation nuclear power plant is that if this will be cut off whole nearly the whole center, which is now under our control and things simply impossible that the power plant itself is what i will, per packets. i mean, rector's, the problem is nuclear waste storage, which is not protected enough. and which includes many radioactive materials including including $3240.00, which is very dangerous. ok. above that for you in at this stage because they don't bite sized babe each other. busy for the threats at this nuclear power plant, what is the actual threat that exists then the actual trade is much, much less. all these politicians diplomats are going out there. this is a huge plant with a very great safety record for decades is probably to say to days of ever was, although they're losing some of the redundant backup systems that are keeping the
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same as it would be. but as people are arguing about these details of waste storage and things like that, they're missing the big picture totally. if you compare this plant, let's say, and i like to leave him mention know fukushima there about 3000 people died. not counts the people who were injured in traffic accents chasing their dogs, leaving the site and all 20000 guidance. you know, if you look at 3000 people, potentially dying of a meltdown. shima at his job, risha, that's unfortunate behind you. there's going to general all western europe, mitchell, this is such a stupid claim. the people making these claims you're either ignorant or early political or both. i suspect. oh, and what do you make of that that the, that the threat, the claim of the threats is over exaggerated in this situation. now the question is that we are definitely talking about several possibilities of what is happening there. and you can't waste about we just so we talked about it 170 containers won.
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we also have the problem all the radiated, what's worse over there. and also because it gives me the rewrite that how much be get past. but don't forget about the explosion that we have inside of the giant. i definitely just shelling from outside will not make the 2nd to nobody because the, the producer power plant being built with the better security compared to what we had. no, but how, where, right, you could walk from inside and that is the possibility because we heard the unfortunate stress while we have a lot of mind there while the cabbage read the 3 much are so it can be the x of them even. we need to the fact that it shouldn't be be in tasha and i'll add to several reasons. tender just an accident because of the regulation or because of the neglecting of the measures or reform inter nobody is february and march and we see twice. now what is happening to the territory and the type of graph the unfortunately we cannot predict and if possible. ready long verse low corrections
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would be inside by mary washington. both the energy provision and importance of the shaft. c the situation me that the rational represents people, the energy companies, the last few we've been trying to disconnect, of the british power plan from producing and delivering the energy to the on control territory. so for example, a region with only a goal to rec, um access to the cranium. dream show just using the energy produced by the premium power plant. so we need to found the russians a using cyber petition induct you just both for the nuclear power b, blackmailing. but also for the 2nd fraction of the necessity of what the need for crania on great. do you agree with that claim by hand that russia is planning to shut down the plant to reconnect it? and we divert or divert all the electricity, all the power to crimea, and to russian control territory by shutting off vast ways of ukraine from the
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energy. as i mentioned before, without this power plants ration control carrier 3 will be tricity and for russian government for president is very key issues. why pl issue? that's why there are so many noise or on this nuclear power plant. and at the same time, of course, i get of exclude that if russia will continue to control somebody here, nuclear power plant, it can be cut off from the grid. and the fact that because the secretary general today said that this energy created by this power plant is ukrainian energy. yes, it's a great job boss. of course, this very situation and seals by right and part of it goes through grade part goes to russian control character is. but as i said,
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it's much more at this stage of political issues than just the technical issue. 8 because what russia is afraid all frank speaking is to lose control all of this. you can have power plan. very important for the survival of the very serious where our face on the we're under control within the control for a little bit. kelly. oh, if we do go back to the technicalities of it, how easy is it possible for russia to shut down a nuclear power plant and divert the electricity? it produces the energy it produces to a different area. how difficult is that to do it? first part of your question is trivial to shut down the plan. i think it for the units are down right now. and since russia built these plants, many of them are in other places as laws here the nor do i can do it. and so the ukrainians, there's decades of experience, the 1st disconnecting and from the grid. i talked about this for the last week.
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there's been a lot going on outside plans including hundreds of dollars where going out of stations and borrowings in that sense. ukraine is winning the battle because what they're doing is they're isolating the plant, plant cancer and electricity. anybody right now? that has to be shot, you know, and this because $40000000000.00. why go for the both sides want both or want after the war and they want to be say, hannah, we just had to president putin agree access to the i a a to assess the pot to monitor the plant. of course, there are going to be challenges to that visit taking place key most at the moment is how those nuclear inspectors actually get to the plant. whether they go via russian controlled areas or via key. why is ukraine and see them going through russian controlled areas? now, 1st of all, because it will be the violation of international orange breaking all the of the regimes. ah, that's why. and it is quite
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a safe to go for dance ukrainian territory. the secretary general just yesterday was our ukraine and our from the ukrainian control territory to you. the nuclear power plant is just 5 kilometers. so either horses, if all the nuclear power plant will stop fighting for several minutes, you can pass 5 kilometer 100 feet long just like these 2 months ago. the line on the secretary travels with the proper arrangement where you want to stop the rounds of the line. the fans are possible to do and the situation around you bless dentures that it seems to be in my do y. so as for now, all we need is a good wheel to stop y t, and everybody know now we have this decision that the delegation should travel to the ukranian territory. when, what's the price wise? the russian president demanded his travelling to russia. andre, why is the russian president demanding that they travel through russian controlled
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areas? why didn't they want them to get to keep it simple? because if the delegation, if the inspectors will go via credit and 33 from here, we just logical in certain way. so in this case, it is considered as moscow in moscow, as erica ignition of you couldn't control all of the sterile 3, which is unacceptable. why the acceptable or because so moscow is considering the are easier as the part of control territories. and let's not forget that for september. there is that plan to organize the river in the, in the area to join russia to be integrated into russia. robin us, why this is, go back around. ok. let's as him for moment robot that the mon, the a monitors to get to the plant you want to monitoring mission and iraq, i, this is
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a very different scenario, but in this particular case, is oper reach of what might these inspectors be looking for? you need to break it down into 2 things. the inspectors who grow are people whose job is to do inventories and the audits of nuclear material. so they are entirely focused on those things. they have no experience and they have no training and safety security that kind of effort them the idea from time to time and then very few cases as in special missions like to south africa, to iraq, to libya. those are special cases where they bring an outsiders, a lot of americans usually, and those people come in and they are very familiar with the technology which i years not. and they carry out a mission. but it's not an inspection. so ill, very much depend on who i am reaching out to and brings in as experts,
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people who know about power lines. for example, transformers, which is probably completely outside i bodies, i v i a h, e, it chief, rafael, gross. they said to himself that he might be willing to go if necessary with that lender certain credibility to this mission, which is surely as we've seen just from today's discussion discussion, going to be come extremely political, absolutely, rockville her news in history as a lawyer and nuclear business, he knows nuclear law inside the house, you settle nuclear suppliers group, or he would be a very good player person to be that as a professional lawyer and international law expert. and i don't think she would lead any of the technical people as not. so you would want to do okay, and i, let's say, of course, i think you did a beautiful job of explaining that none of the actions that she mentioned that might happen over the next few months or any more than just
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a original small problem. died here to them in europe is nonsense. okay. and i, they agency visit the un agency visit is essentially going to be entering a war zone unless this area becomes demilitarized. this is something russia has rejected, isn't going to we consider that it stops rejected by moscow. because the argument is very simple, if rational growth will withdraw from the nuclear power plant. so you can create some kind of from a case and then accuse russia that's why i'm absolutely sure that there was no stat back from him. he will and ceased to know our plans. and there are some minister control and concerning the mission, the international atomic agency and main mission. one of the task of moscow i can say very clearly,
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is to show to this mission part of your styles and trying to convince this mission that if you're going to massage or even american camaros the marseilles. so this is one of the political past. so most cool. okay, robert, i can see you shaking your head that don't respond. i don't think anybody knows the difference between high mars and other kinds of muscles. that's not what they do. they don't have to bring in an outside expert to do that from outside the years. so it's not in my section would be an international mission. how do you support does require support the idea of the militarize in this area. i mean, it has been active in this area. will it withdraw troops if necessary? yes, ukraine talks about the forcible demo transition for several weeks. and we were ready for these as some standing. the danger that is happening here and all of them were offered to what are you logic in the price that territory is demolition, right?
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our ukrainian will arrange a provocation. there was no sound for us in provocation because we need the energy and we need to the power plant working as it supplies the energy once or the temperature of the country. and we are coming to autumn and winter. what difficult season we're in terms of energy one who will need all the capacity of these nuclear blogs. so that's why for the demo relation also will mean that such sounds as nice of you who will be under the theory of the tab. because the last 2 weeks, the sound that just called the riva from law. and then that where the power plantation is and the significance fire is happening is definitely called the russian side. and the last 2 weeks, they're just demolishing this out. the militarization also will need a restful, nice attacks for such sounds. ok, but which again i can see you shaking your head virgil to respond. i think it's very important to nuclear power plant. be guarded by somebody. only people russians
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can use, right? not a guardian or military angel make a note or how black or the other day get it over to your grandson. they just lost their prize a war and that's a big price. $40000000000.00 and days. ok. it has been extremely interesting discussion. we will leave it there for today. i have no doubt that when the i a a does and says operation will be revisiting this topic many times over. thank you very much indeed. all of you for taking the time to join us today, andre federal kind of celeste and robot kelly. and thank you too bye much for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's out . is there a dot com for further discussion? do go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handlers at a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here is 5. ah
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