oh, the coronation has not been without controversy to other family members say the other rightful ears and took the matter to poor to stop the ceremony, but failed, but other family members attended to support the new monarch, one of them, reminding the king his role is to serve the nation outside the main ceremony. throngs of people gathered i pads. i know and i know how i beg, bland everything about i'm here to celebrate my king, mrs. zulu, who was being proud today as the new king. i'm so happy to be here. everyone is happy and it's a beautiful day. even as the new king departs, amato warriors continued to sing his praise and display the loyalty to him. they say they're willing to defend him at any cost, but many others here are hoping the new king just like his father will be

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this is inside story. ah. hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. concerns of a disaster. europe largest nuclear facility are growing. shelling has intensified around the rushing controlled zapper reach a power plant in the ukraine. moscow, and keep blame each other for the attacks. russia controls a facility, but ukraine is operating it. that important has agreed to grant access to inspectors from the u. n. atomic watchdog. the criminal made the announcement after a phone call between president putin and french president emanuel micron statements . it said both leaders noted the importance of sending an i. e, a mission to the plants. as soon as possible to allow experts to assess the situation on the ground,

the russian side confirmed its readiness to provide the necessary assistance. so the agencies inspectors when it rains present, laudermill lensky has welcome the inspection, but further, specific details still need to be worked out terribly stretching the city near the return of comprehensive security to the separate region. you kill a power plant and in a hotel may start with this mission. i'm grateful to all who joined the effort. if the russian radiation blackmail will go on the some of may in the history of europe is one of the most tragic of all time. because the no rule book in any station in the world is a procedure in case some terrorist state turns a nuclear power plant into a target. meanwhile, you insect re general antenna. terrorist has again called the demilitarization of the plants. a salesman with

a plan and the facility to respond with that being said, a needed to establish supple issue as a snapshot entry into the se we'll bring in our panel in just a moment. first, let's take a closer look at the zapper each at nuclear plant. it was one of the 1st fight seized when russia invaded ukraine and february, the plant may be under rushing control, but ukrainian engineers still operate at atomic energy research as of want of a meltdown or radiation leak. if power supplies or damaged by shelling and you and watch dog has warned, fighting around the facility poses a very real risk of nuclear disaster. ah, let's bring in our guests now and from moscow, andre federal,

former deputy foreign minister of russia. from odessa. hannah shall, este, and security studies program director at the ukrainian prism think tank and from vienna, robert kelly, a former director of the international atomic energy agency. thank you all very much for being here with us today. andre, let's start with you because we heard that the ukranian president accusing russia of radiation. blackmail, give you a chance to respond to that. okay, this is the question that the future of this nuclear power station is very important for the whole situation in europe. not only for our shim, a ukraine, the question is, who will be responsible if something will happen? because the risk that my beer luca pollution is still very high and of all sides are really accusing each other unless evasion and ukraine is very

firmly blaming you. what is, what are you saying? what is moscow saying about this? moscow is saying that it's not possible because there are no heavy arms. and the selling is coming from the other side of the area from nickel power, which is on the you can in control. and this is the task of and must go to bring inspection and to show and to try to confirm the whole world. that is ukraine, which is responsible for this dangerous base. okay, i know your response to that is ukraine, shutting the air. is it the one responsible for the dangerous situation? you know, the problem is that russia, optimizations are happening without any tools. and let's remember that. first and foremost, the russian forces must most be at the territory of applause and all working for one month. we have the personnel more than 500 people and more than 50 equipment at

the territory of the nuclear long, including those that are inside of the building inside the injection, the number one and 2. we have quite a novel satellite images proving the we have the latest you do that your, to the go from inside showing the cars that the total violation of the all safe to regulations above the nuclear facility. so that should be number one. what's the force of ugly inside of the nuclear law, making it to talk to a big slow difficulties. the 2nd a, we had it back in june. in all, you know, international journalist sanctioned to the problem, but ukrainians paid attract the attention of these national organizations back in june because they were a what's a novel view from the security camera proved when russians tried to occupy the nuclear facility called for they were shelling s, when are we also have white number of videos and the by the professionals can

really identify which side 1st of all the challenges company and the track. and it's very easy to do. what do you, to the time difference between the 1st and the 2nd meeting, it is like from the start of the evolution of the charges. and the old mill check was as an hour saying that it would be impossible to shout from nico. and to have these sure period of time that you did happen to ok. and i want to also if this site is so sensitive, which it clearly is, it's your biggest nuclear power plant. why was it not better protected in the 1st place against a russian takeover? one of the reason exactly was because you bring in the armed forces twice, not to fight while understanding the beast. so we, as you, bass the nuclear power plant will be of the most touched territory. that's why our 1st will of that time, you need to remember that we have fighting all, evolved approximately 2000 kilometers of the front. so we couldn't just move the

personal around for security and we couldn't bring the weapons there. otherwise we have for the fighting that jeopardize the safety of the facilities. i'm the at that time we have the fighting walls. are you while and in many other place it's very important share what i hear it was. unfortunately, we balance on necessities between the nuclear safety or the ability to defend andre, i mean, it does seem very clear, does that the threat does come from the simple fact that russian forces off somewhere where they shouldn't be, where they don't belong. so the russian forces occupied the status of the nuclear power station already on february 28th. taken to consideration the importance of this power plant also for the territories which is now under control. and while the elemental spectacle,

how this operation nuclear power plant is that if this will be cut off whole nearly the whole center, which is now on the ration control, being simply impossible there. the power plant itself is what i will protect. i mean, rector's, the problem is nuclear waste storage, which is not protected enough and which includes many radioactive materials including including $3240.00, which is very dentures. ok. above that, bring you in at this stage because adult phase sized, they meet other. busy for the threats at this nuclear power plant, what is the actual threat that exists them? the actual trade is much, much less lee politicians and diplomats are going out there. this is a huge plant with a very great safety record is on for decades, is probably to say to days, there was, although they're losing some of the redundant backup systems that are keeping the

same as it would be. but as people are arguing about these details of, of way, storage and things like that, they're missing the big picture. totally. did you compare this plan was say, and i like to leave you mentioned know, focusing on there about 3000 people died. not counts. the people who were injured in traffic accents chasing their dogs, leaving the site and all 20000 guidance. you know, if you look at 3000 people, potentially dying of a meltdown shima at his job, risha, that's unfortunate. but behind you, there's going to general all western europe, mitchell, this is such a stupid claim, but people making these claims, you're either ignorant or truly political or both. i suspect both. oh, and what do you make of that that the, that the threat, the claim of the threats is over exaggerated in this situation. now the question is that we are definitely talking about to us several possibilities of what is happening the nuclear waste about. we just said,

we talked about it $170.00 containers won. we also have the problem all the radiated, what's worse over there. and also because it gives me of the rewrite and how much be getting passed. but don't forget about the explosions that we had. the site of the giant, i definitely just shelling from outside will not make the sac. i'm sure nobody because the, the procedure power plant being built with the bad to secure. yeah. compared to what we had. no, but how well right, if you blow up from inside and that is the possibility because we heard the unfortunate stress last we have a lot of mind there. 8 was that you have to read the 3 much are so it can be the x of them evil. we need to the fact that it shouldn't be the intentional acts of several reasons. it can be just an accident because of the regulation or because of the neglecting of the measures or reform inter nobody is february and march and we see twice now what is happening to the territory and just type of wrap the unfortunately we cannot predict. and if possible,

one very small corrections would be inside by mary washington. both the energy provision and importance of the. 8 the situation me that the rush represents people, the energy company to the last few. we've been trying to disconnect of the, please your power plan from producing, delivering the annual g it's, you will be on control territory. so for example, a region where the only goal to rec, um access to the creamy andries show, just kneeling the energy produced by the premium power plant. so we need to found the russians a using cyber petition not but he's just both for the nuclear power. reason i'm mailing but also for the 2nd fraction of the necessity of what the need for crania on right. do you agree with that play by hand, that russia is planning to shut down the plant to reconnect it and we divert or divert all the electricity, all the power to crimea, and to russian control territory by shutting off vos ways of ukraine,

from the energy. as i mentioned before, without this power plants ration control character is, will be without tele tricity. and for russian government for president is very key issue. why police you? that's why there are so many noise are on this nuclear power plant. and at the same time, of course, i can exclude that if russia will continue to control the nuclear power plant, it can be cut off from the grid. and if i get this because the secretary general today said that this energy created by this power plant is ukrainian energy. yes, it's a great job, bob. of course, this very situation and seals by right and part of it goes through grade goes to russian control paris. but as i said,

it's much more at this stage of political issue than just the technical issue. 8 because what russia is afraid all frank speaking is to lose control all of this. you can have power plan. very important for the survival of the very serious where our face on the we're under control within the controller for robert kelly. how if we talk about the technicalities of it, how easy is it possible for russia to shut down a nuclear power plant and divert the electricity? it produces the energy it produces to a different area. how difficult is that to do it? first part of your question is trivial to shut down our plan. i think it 4 units or down, right? go. and since russia built these plants, many of them are in other places as laws here, then all jacked me out. and so the grinning, there's decades are experience. the 1st disconnecting from the grid are talked

about this for the last week. there's been a lot going on outside planning, hundreds of dollars where going out of stations and borrowings in that sense. ukraine is winning the battle because what they're doing is they're isolating the plant, plant cancer and electricity. anybody right now? that has to be shot, you know, and this because $40000000000.00 white also the both sides want both or one after the war. and they want to be, say, hannah, we've just had to president putin agree access to the i a, a to assess the plant to monitor the plant. of course, there are going to be challenges to that visit, taking place chemo at the moment. is how those nuclear inspectors actually get to the plant, whether they go by russian controlled areas or via key. why is ukraine and see them going through russian controlled areas? now 1st of all, because it will be the violation of international orange breaking of the of what the regime. ah, that's why and it is quite a safe to go for dance,

the ukrainian territory. the secretary general just yesterday was out in crane and our from the ukrainian control territory to you. the nuclear power plant is just 5 kilometers. so even the rush horses of all the nuclear power plant will. so, fighting for several minutes, you can pass 5 kilometer 100 feet long just like these 2 months ago. the line on the secretary travels with the proper arrangement where you, while the rounds of the line, the fans are possible to do and the situation around the 40s, yet you've left century that it seems to be and why do why so asked for now all we need is a good we'll to so why team and everybody know now we have the decision that the delegation should travel to the ukranian territory. when, what's the price? why the washing president demand that is traveling to russia. andre, why is the russian president demanding that they travel through russian controlled

areas? why didn't they want them to get to keep it simple? because if the delegation, if the inspectors will go via credit and 33 from just logical a certain way. so in this case, it is considered as moscow in moscow, as eric edition of you couldn't control all of this terror 3, which is not acceptable. why the acceptable? because so moscow is considering the or easier part of control territories. and let's not forget that for september. there is that plan to organize for him though, in the area to join russia to be integrated into russia, robbing us why this is, go back around. ok, let's as him for a moment, robot the, the, the, a monitors do get to the plant. you want

a monitoring mission and iraq, i this is a very different scenario, but in this particular case, and for each of what might these inspectors be looking for, you need to break it down as 2 things the inspectors ago. are people whose job is to do inventories, an audit significant material. so they are entirely focused on those things. they have no experience and they have no training and safety security. that kind of effort. them the idea from time to time and, and very few cases as in special missions like to south africa to iraq, to lydia. those are special cases where they bring an outsiders, a lot of americans usually, and those people come in and they are very familiar with the technology which i years not. and they carry out a mission, but it's not an inspection. so it'll very much depend on who i reached out to and brings in as experts, people who know about power lines, for example, transformers,

which is probably completely outside i bodies. i the i a, h, e, a chief, raphael, gross. they said to himself that he might be willing to go if necessary, with that lender certain credibility to this mission, which is surely as we've seen just from today's discussion discussion, going to be come extremely political, absolutely rafael. her news in history as a lawyer in nuclear business, he knows nuclear law inside how you set of nuclear suppliers group. or he would be a very good person to be as a professional lawyer and international law expert. i don't think he would lead any of the technical people as not. so you would want to do. okay. and i, that's a good of course. i think you did a beautiful job of explaining that. none of the accents that she mentioned that might happen over the next few months, or any more than just

a regional small problem. di, due to down in europe, is nonsense. okay. under the agency visit, the un agency visit is essentially going to be entering a war zone unless this area becomes demilitarized. this is something russia has rejected. is it going to we consider that it stops rejected by moscow? because the arguments is very simple. if rational growth will withdraw from the nuclear power plant. so you can create some kind of from a case and then accuse russia that's why i'm absolutely sure that there was no stat background or do he will insist to no power plant. underestimate the control and concerning the mission of the international atomic agency. main mission. one of the task of moscow i can say very clearly,

is to show to this mission part of your styles and trying to convince this mission that if you're going to miss size or even american hi, mars the marseilles. so this is one of the political past, so most cool. ok, robert. i can see you shaking your head that don't respond. i don't think anybody knows the difference. junior high mars and other kinds of muscles. that's not what they do. they don't have to bring an outside expert to do that from outside the years. so it's not in my section would be an international mission. how do you support, as you can support the idea of the militarize in this area? i mean, it has been active in this area. will it withdraw troops if necessary? yes, ukraine talks about the forcible demo transition for several weeks. and we were ready for these as some standing. the danger that is happening here. and all of the rocket is what are you logic in the price that territory is demolition right?

ukrainian will arrange a plot keisha. there was no sound in provocation because we need the energy and we need the power plant working as it supplies the energy one serve the temperature of the country and we are coming to autumn and winter. what difficult season we're in terms of energy one who will need all the capacity of these nuclear plot. so that's why i was the demo relation also will mean that that such sounds as nice who will be under the theory of the tab because the last 2 weeks. so the sound that just called the wrong law in that a good that aware of the power plantation is august. significant fire is happening is definitely called the russian side. and the last 2 weeks, they're just demolishing the south demos relation also will need a restful, nice attacks for such sounds. ok, but again i can see you shaking your head virgil to respond. i think it's very important to nuclear power plant. be guarded by somebody,

only people that the russians can use are guarded or military, or make or idea, or military, no black or dark on the other day, get it over to your grandson. they just lost their prize war, and that's a big price. $40000000000.00 and days. ok. it has been extremely interesting. it discussion. we will leave it there for today. i have no doubt that when the i a does and does operation will be revisiting this topic many times over. thank you very much. indeed. all of you for taking the time to join us today, andre federal of how shall and robot kelly. and thank you too bye much for watching . you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's out. is there a dot com and for further discussion do go to well facebook page, that's facebook dot com slash ha inside story. because i joined the conversation on twitter handlers at a j inside story. from me laura kyle, i'm the whole team here. bye for now.

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