taken our identity to newer height, he's an inspiration for the use of nepal. he is a national treasure, but no amount of praise is enough for what he has done. and is for those in good news for ukraine in the ring where box all examiner is sick beat antony joshua in saudi arabia on saturday to retain his heavy weight. titles is sick when the rematch on a split points decision in geneva to keep his full belt, joshua lost his temper when he heard the result throwing 2 of you 6 belts out of the ring and stole me off. i need to return later to congratulate him. that ukrainian says he wants to fight tyson theory next. and his urge the british books are to come out of retirement. is it because dedicated saturdays victory to his country? anthony, i'm not sure whether i'm royce or not, but i saw in round 8 in a jay's eyes that he was feeling victorious already. and i kept telling myself, you cannot start with a lay up or some big things were at stake. and thank god, the belts are coming back to ukraine. the victory is with us and ukraine, one so,

ah, your child is there with me. so robert, reminder of all top stories, at least 30 people having killed an attack on a hotel in the somali capital market issue. the standoff which began on friday and did after security forces stove, the building after bob has claimed responsibility out of it also has more from nairobi. it's the 1st major attack in the capitol, mogadishu. since prism mohammed came to power in may. and when he came into power, he promised deal with insecurities and our questions are being asked, how did algebra vanity into the hotel? how did manage to hold on to it for so long? 30 hours, and what is this new government going to do to prevent further attacks from taking place? in recent weeks, they been smaller attacks by algebra. maney. the border with ethiopia and ethiopia managed to push out bob back. but then of course,

people are saying that this could suggest that according to some analysts that maybe it's al, bob tried to change tactics. the daughter of pro criminal political commentator alexander dickon has been killed in a car bomb explosion in moscow that he had to dina. and her father had been very cool, supportive of russia's invasion of ukraine workers of one of the case biggest ports had gone on strike for 8 days in a row over pay. the move threatens major economic disruption. phoenix de port accounts are close to half of the countries container freight traffic. mexico former attorney general has appeared in court in connection with the disappearance of 43 students in 2014 phases. murillo is facing charges of torture for disappearance and official misconduct. they form a peruvian left, his military officer who led a rebellion in 2005 has been released from prison. and a thorough mala was serving a 17 year long jail sentence for his role in the uprising against form of president

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story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. concerns of a disaster. europe largest nuclear facility are growing, shelling has intensified around the russian controlled zapper reach a power plant in that ukraine. moscow, and keep blame each other for the attacks. russia controls a facility, but ukraine is operating it, that i'm a bruton has agreed to grant access to inspectors from the you an atomic watchdog, a criminal maybe announcement after a phone call between president putin and french president emanuel mack wrong statements. it said both leaders noted the importance of sending an i. e, a mission to the plant. as soon as possible to allow expert to assess the situation

on the ground. the russian side confirmed its readiness to provide the necessary assistance to the agencies inspectors. when you cranes, president vladimir polanski has welcome the inspection, but says specific details still need to be worked out. hero by stretching to says he knew the return of comprehensive security to the separate region. you kill a power plant and in a hotel may start with this mission. i'm grateful to all who joined the effort. if the russian radiation blackmail will go on, the someone may in the history of europe is one of the most tragic of all time. because no rule book in any station in the world is a procedure in case some terrorist state turns and you kill a power plant into a target. meanwhile, you insect re general antenna. terrorist has again called the demilitarization of the plans. a bottom says not with

a plan and the facility, use the spot in these agreements. you certainly needed to establish supple, easy as a section and to ensure the safe will bring in our panel in just a moment. first, let's take a closer look at zachary shunt nuclear plant. it was one of the 1st sight seized when russia invaded ukraine and february, the plant may be under rushing control, but ukrainian engineers still operate at atomic energy research as of want of a meltdown or radiation leak. if power supplies or damaged by shelling and the un watchdog has warned, fighting around the facility poses a very real risk of nuclear disaster. ah, let's bring in our guests now and from moscow, andre federal,

former deputy foreign minister of russia, from odessa. hannah shall este security studies program director at the ukrainian prism think tank and from vienna, robert kelly, a former director of the international atomic energy agency. thank you all very much for being here with us today. andre, let's start with you because we heard the ukrainian president accusing russia of radiation. blackmail, give you a chance to respond to that. okay. this is the question that the future of this nuclear power station is very important for the whole situation in europe. not only for our shim, no ukraine. the question is, who will be responsible if something will happen? because the risk that might be looking for lucian is still very high. and both sides are really accuse of each other in this situation. and ukraine is very

firmly blaming you. what is, what are you saying? what is most saying about this? moscow is saying that it's not possible because there are no heavy arms and the selling is coming from the other side of the area from the copper which is on the you can in control. and this is the task of i must go to bring inspection and to show and to try to confirm the whole world. that is ukraine, which is responsible for this dangerous base. okay, and your response to that is ukraine shutting. yeah. is it the one responsible for the dangerous situation? you know, the problem is that russia, optimizations are happening without any tools. and let's remember that. first and foremost, the russian forces must be at the savagery of applause and all working for one month. we have the personnel more than 500 people and more than 50 equipment at the

territory of the nuclear long, including those that are inside of the building inside to enjoy the number one and 2. we have quite a novel set to life images proving these. we have the latest you do that if you are to the go from inside showing the cars, that is the total violation of the all safe to regulations above the nuclear facility. so that should be number one. what's the force of ugly inside of the nuclear law? making it to talk to a big little difficulty the secondly, we had it back in june in all, you know, international journalist essential to the problem. but ukrainians paid attract the attention of the international organizations back in june. because they were quite a novel view from the security camera proved when russian tried to occupy the nuclear facility. how for they were shelling, asked when are we also have white number of videos and the by the professional can

really identify which side 1st of all these challenges property. and the fact that it's very easy to do a, to the time difference between the 1st and the 2nd meeting, it is like from the start of the evolution of the charges. and the old mill check was s, and i was saying that it would be impossible to shout from nico and to have these sure period of time that you just happened. ok, and i want to also if this site is so sensitive, which it clearly is, it's your biggest nuclear power plant. why was it not back protected in the 1st place against a russian takeover? one of the reason exactly was because ukrainian armed forces tried not to fight wild is understanding the beast. so we as you be a nuclear power plant will be of the most touched territory. that's why our 1st will of that time, you need to remember that we have fighting all the wild approximately 2000 kilometers of the from so we couldn't just move the personal around for security

and we couldn't bring the weapons. there are the wife who have the fighting that jeopardize the safety of the facilities. i'm at that time we have the piping for larry while and in many other place it's very important. i share what i hear it was . unfortunately, we balance when necessities are between the nuclear safety or the ability to defend andre, i mean, it does seem very clear, does that the threat does come from the simple fact that russian forces off somewhere where they shouldn't be, where they don't belong. so the russian forces occupied the secretary of the power station already on february 28th take into consideration the importance of this power plant also for the territories which is now on the russian control. and while the elemental battle,

how this operation nuclear power plant is that if this will be cut off whole nearly the whole center, which is now under our control and things simply impossible that the power plant itself is, will protect them in records. the problem is nuclear waste storage, which is not protected enough and which includes many radioactive materials including including $3240.00 which is very dangerous. ok. above that for you in at this stage because adult phase sized, they meet other. busy for the threats at this nuclear power plant, what is the actual threat that exists then the actual trade is much, much less. all the politicians diplomats are going out there. this is a huge plant with a very great safety record is time for decades, is probably to say to days of ever was, although they're losing some of the redundant backup systems that are keeping the

same as it would be. but as people are arguing about these details of waste storage and things like that, they're missing the big picture totally. if you compare this plant, let's say, and i like to leave him mention know, furnishing there about 3000 people died, not counts. the people who are injured in traffic accents chasing their dogs, leaving the site and all 20000 guidance. you know, if you look at 3000 people, potentially dying of a meltdown shima at his job, risha, that's unfortunate behind you. there's going to general all western europe, mitchell, this is such a stupid claim. the people making these claims you're either ignorant or early political or both. i suspect. oh, and what do you make of that that the, that the threat, the claim of the threats is over exaggerated in this situation. now the question is that we are definitely talking about several possibilities. what is happening there? and you can't waste about we just so we talked about it $170.00 containers won. we

also have the problem all the radiated waters over there. and also because it gives me the rewrite that how much is that? but don't forget about the explosions that we have inside of the giant. i definitely just shelling from outside will not make the 2nd to nobody because the, the producer power plant being built with the better security compared to what we had. no, but how, where, right. if you blow up from inside and that is the possibility because we heard the unfortunate stress while we have a lot of mind there while the cabbage read the re much are so it can be the x of them evil. we need to the fact that it shouldn't be the intentional acts of several reasons. it can be just an accident because of the regulation or because of the neglecting of the measures or reform inter nobody is february and march and we see you twice. now what is happening of the territory and the type of graph the unfortunately we cannot predict and if possible. ready long very small corrections

would be inside by mary washington. both the energy provision and importance of the pretty just. c the situation me that the rational represents people, the energy company to the last few, we've been trying to disconnect of the british power plan from producing and delivering the energy to the control territory of your phone. for example, a region with only goal to rec, um access to the cranium, dream show, just kneeling, the energy produced by the premium power plant. so we need to found the russians a using cyber position in w just both for the nuclear power reason blackmailing. but also for the 2nd fraction of the necessity of what the need for crania on great. do you agree with that play by hand, that russia is planning to shut down the plant to reconnect it and we divert or divert all the electricity, all the power to crimea, and to russian controlled territory by shutting off vos ways of ukraine,

from the energy. as i mentioned before, without this power plants ration control, carrier 3 is will be fairly tricity and for russian government for president is very key issues. why pl issue? that's why that has so many noise are on this nuclear power plant. and at the same time, of course, i get a exclude that if russia will continue to control here, nuclear power plant, it can be cut off from the grid. and if i get this because the secretary general 2 days this energy created by this power plant is ukrainian energy. yes, it's a great job boss. of course. this very situation and seals by right and part of it goes through grade, goes to russian control, paris. but as i said,

it's much more at this stage a political issue than just the technical issue. 8 because what russia is afraid will frank speaking is to lose control all of this. you can have power plan . very important for the survival of the that is there is where i face on the we're under control within the control for robert kelly. oh, if we do go back to the technicalities of it, how easy is it possible for russia to shut down a nuclear power plant and divert the electricity? it produces the energy it produces to a different area. how difficult is that to do it? first part of your question is trivial to shut down the plan. i think it 4 units are down right now. and since russia built these plants, many of them are in other places as walls here. then all jacked me out, and so the grinning, there's decades of experience, the 1st disconnecting and from the grid. i talked about this for the last week.

there's been a lot going on outside plant, including hundreds of dollars where blowing out of stations and borrowings in that sense. ukraine is winning the battle because what they're doing is are isolating plant, plant cancer and electricity. anybody right now? that has to be shot, you know, and this because $40000000000.00. why no, for the both sides want both or one after the war. and they want to be, say, hannah, we've just had to president putin agree access to the i a, a, to assess the plant to monitor the plant. of course, there are going to be challenges to that visit taking place key most at the moment is how those nuclear inspectors actually get to the plant. whether they go via russian controlled areas or via key. why is ukraine and see them going through russian controlled areas? now, 1st of all, because it will be the violation of the international orange breaking of the, of the regimes. ah, that's why. and it is quite

a safe to go for dance ukrainian territory. the secretary general just yesterday was our ukraine and our from the ukrainian control territory to you. the nuclear power plant is just 5 kilometers. so either horses evolve the nuclear power plant will stop fighting for several minutes. you can pass 5 kilometer 100 feet long just like these 2 months ago. the line on the secretary travels with the proper arrangement. why do we need to stop the rounds of the fans are possible to do and the situation wrong? does appreciate you bless dentures that it seems to be in my do y. so as for now, all we need is a good wheel to stop y t and every know now we have this decision that the delegation she travels to the ukranian territory when, what's the price white washing president demand that is traveling to russia. so andre, why is the russian president demanding that they travel through russian controlled

areas? why didn't they want them to get to keep it simple? because if the delegation, if the inspectors will go via credit and 33 from here, we just logical in certain way. so in this case, it is considered as moscow in moscow, as erica ignition of you couldn't control all the sarah 3, which is not acceptable. why the acceptable or because so moscow is considering the or easier part of control territories. and let's not forget that for september, there is a plan to organize for him though, in the area to join russia to be integrated in russia, robbing us why this is, go back around. ok, let's as him for a moment, robert, that the, the a monitors do get to the plant. you want to monitoring mission and iraq i, this is

a very different scenario, but in this particular case is upper reach. what might these inspectors be looking for? you need to break it down into 2 things the inspectors ago are people whose job is to do inventories and audits of nuclear material. so they are entirely focused on those things. they have no experience and they have no training and safety security . that kind of effort them the from time to time. and in very few cases of special mission like the south africa to iraq, to libya. those are special cases where they bring in outside there's a lot of americans usually, and those people come in and they are very familiar with the technology which i am not. and they carry out a mission, but it's not an inspection. so very much depending on who i am reaching out to and brings in as expert people who know about power lines, for example, transformers,

which is probably completely outside bodies. i v i a g, a e, a chief, raphael grossey said to himself that he might be willing to go if necessary. would that lend us that credibility to this mission, which is surely as we've seen just from today's discussion discussion, going to be coming stream the political absolutely, roughly making history as a lawyer in the nuclear business. you know, nuclear law inside how he shattered nuclear suppliers group, or he would be a very good person to get as a professional lawyer and an international law expert. i don't think he would lead any of the technical people not we would want to do. okay. andre, listen, of course, i think you did a beautiful job of explaining that none of the accidents that she mentioned that might happen over the next few months, or any more than just

a reasonable small problem that i do today in europe is not. ok. andre, the agency visit the un agency visit is essential, going to be entering a war zone unless this area becomes deep militarized. this is something russia has rejected. is it going to reconsider that it's not rejected by moscow? because the arguments is very simple. if rational growth will withdraw from the nuclear power plant. so you can ask in great, some kind of from a case and then accuse russia that's why i'm absolutely sure that there was no stat bactrim who do, he will insist to give no power plant under of some military control. and concerning the mission of the international atomic agency and main mission. one of the task of moscow i can say very clearly,

is to show to this mission part of your styles and trying to convince this mission that if you're going to massage or even american camara, the marseilles. so this is one of the political past. so most cool. okay, robert, i can see you shaking your head that don't respond. i don't think anybody, if you a difference between high mars and other kinds of muscles, that's not what they do. they don't have to bring an outside expert to do that from outside the years. so it's not in my section would be an international mission. how do you support of require support the idea of the militarize in this area? i mean, it has been active in this area when it withdraw troops, if necessary. yes, ukraine talks about the forcible demo transition for several weeks. we were ready for these as some standing. the danger that is happening here. and all of the rocket is what are you logic in the price that territory is demolition right?

ukrainian will arrange a provocation. there is no sound for us in provocation because we need the energy and we need to the power plant working as it supplies the energy one serve the temperature of the country and we are coming to autumn and winter. what difficult season we're in terms of energy one who will need all the capacity of these nuclear plot. so that's why i was the demo relation also will mean that that such sounds as nice who will be under the theory of the tab because the last 2 weeks, the sound that just called the revolve from law. and then that where the power plantation is and the significance fire is happening. definitely called the russian side. and the last 2 weeks, they're just demolishing the south. den militarization also, we'll need a restful, nice attacks for such sounds. ok, but which again i can see you shaking your head virgil to respond. i think it's very important to nuclear power plant. be guarded by somebody,

only people that the russians can use right now in regards to military angel, make a black and garden. on the other hand, get it over to your grandson. they just lost their prize war, and that's a big price. $40000000000.00 and days. ok. it has been extremely interesting discussion. we will leave it there for today. i have no doubt that when the i a does and says operation will be revisiting this topic many times over. thank you very much. indeed. all of you for taking the time to join us today, andre federal kind of show last and robot kelly. and thank you too bye much for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's out there a dot com. and for further discussion, do go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com slash ha inside story. because our joint compensation on twitter, handlers at a j inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team here is 5.

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